Being a moderate these days equals what was extreme right just a few decades ago, but more importantly anyone self identifying with being moderate or to the right are all victims of their own apathy, they're not paying attention to economic and social reality. They've allowed Fox News and the rest of the corp propaganda machine to do their thinking for them. This is no accident, the mass media weapon is how the Fascists have slowly and consistently seized power since the 80's. Fascism is here, they now own our government, Obama's support for the TPP is the final proof that big money is in full control.
Being moderate or to the right is nothing short of fervent allegiance to continued extreme concentration of wealth, which will ultimately take us back to a "Grapes of Wrath" Feudal State.
What the Fascist owned corpse media now defines/considers as far to the left is simply what the vast majority really want from government, and the polls all verify this....things like single payer, living wage, expanded social security, fix our crumbling infrastructure, green energy, tax the extremely rich, end Citizens United, end gerrymandering, allow Medicare to negotiate drug pricing, reinstate voting rights...etc. ...all things Bernie is for.
In my mind this makes Bernie the true representative of the vast majority regardless of left, moderate, or right, media concocted hogwash.
Do you believe in alternative therapies personal injury. Are you someone who believes in the interconnectedness of the mind / body / spirit? Then you want to find a degree of a doctor who shares your philosophical convictions. weight loss for men
I don't want a moderate! I especially don't want a centrist! I want a human leader that is working for the best interest of us and the environment. It's very simple and plain. Have the integrity, guts and convictions to make a real difference and SCREW the status quo!
I love it when Bernie stands up to the billionaire class and says: "You can't have it all!" and "If you can't stop your greed, we will stop it for you!" I’ve waited all my life to see a candidate in a run for the White House who sounds like that.
Now that's what I call presidential. Here's a man who loves his country, a real patriot whose ambition is nation-building not empire-building. This is a leader who aspires to wage war on poverty instead of a war on the poor. To those kleptocrats and entitled brats who benefit from this toxic quagmire, extracting profits off our sweat, our hide and our flesh, Bernie’s message is blunt and direct. “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!”
There's no better example to illustrate what a great statesman looks like and sounds like. Real leadership isn’t for sale. Someone like Bernie, not beholden to the almighty Koch Brothers for example, or to Big Pharma’s CEOs or the OILgarchs; someone in a position of influence both willing and able to fight for us. That is a rare moment, the kind that makes history. It is nothing to take for granted. Quite the contrary, they are to be savored, amplified and played out to their fullest potential, maximizing their positive impact on people’s lives and those of future generations.
This is what visionary leadership is really about: supporting the struggles of “ordinary” people towards social mobility, economic justice and a fair share of the wealth they’ve created. The kind of leadership that sees to it our hard-earned tax money is used to OUR benefit and not transnational corporations and/or a tiny clique of billionaires. Leadership whose mission is to protect the rights and interests of the majority who are not wealthy or privileged and must work to survive…. What we want is to live the kind of life that can only be had with wages that actually support families, along with a robust commons and reliable, secure social safety net. For these are the things that provide the very foundation each of us needs, just to make a life, and that keep societies civilized.
When government is hijacked by anti-government imposters who claim no one has basic rights to anything- not even necessities like water, sanitation and healthcare- and legislate accordingly; when these same political hacks outsource middle class manufacturing jobs while “every man for himself” is a creed those in power want us small fry to live and struggle by... well then, we’ve got a problem. And I call it "taxation without representation".
Despite whatever stability, comforts and conveniences you now enjoy, that “stability” is just one injury or illness away from imploding. You could be among those next unfortunate souls destined to lose everything you ever worked for, maybe even life itself. I know this sounds extreme, but we are living in extreme times. And Bernie Sanders is that once-in-a-lifetime candidate both willing and able to combat this problem at its very source, and fight for us so we can create and have the kind of society we Americans deserve.
Bollivar is right. On that note, Hillary is the only moderately sane republican running this year, and there is only one Progressive, Bernie. Hillary may be socially "liberal" when it suits her to get votes, but don't ever mistake her for a Progressive. You all know the flip flops on gay marriage, TPP - which she'll approve the week she were to get in office, and on and on, as well as the republican war-mongering to send other people's children to die, and to kill those overseas. She is not even the most moderate republican, but she is a moderately sane one.
Move to center, you say? Whatever for??? Why would I want to be a Republican? I was one, then I started precinct work and found I could not peddle a Republican in working and poor class neighborhoods. That switched me to being a Demo and I've been happy ever since. Also, I'm a conservationist first which cannot be supported in our present T-party republicans who view wildlife something to shoot....Palin in point. And Sarah wants to be Interior Sec in The Donald's cabinet??? heaven forbid, hope that doesn't come to pass. NO NO NO....when Demos become centrists then it's time for me to become an Independent.
A for Bernie, I view him as being more akin to Gve 'em Hell, Truman. I don't know of another president who subpoenaed Congress to return to Congress to pass a budget plus a few other things during an election year. I lived through FDR;s and Truman's presidencies. Truman was the firebrand. That's who Bernie brings to mind. I don't think FDR would have had the guts to fire Gen MacArthur....the best thing Truman ever did besides issuing subpoenas to Congress.
Over here in the UK I voted in 97 for Labour led by Tony Blair, I remember my late Brother phoning me and saying " it was a great day" and he was right , the relief the Country felt after the dark years of Thatcher was palpable, how wrong we were, Blair was a Centrist and we finished up with a Government no different in essence to what we have now with Cameron, So thank heavens for Jeremy Corbyn a real Socialist and hope for the Left in this Country, and he was elected mainly by the young members of the Labour Party, much to the chagrin of the remaining Centrist MPs in the Party, I see parallells with Bernie Sanders and his support among the Millennials in the US , the young are our hope for the Future , they can see through the bullshit and have had enough, you have a movement going in the US that terrifies the Establishment and the Corporations and long may it continue. Maybe we can finally get rid of all the selfserving money worshipping ,snake oil salesmen , that pass for Politicians in both our Countries.
Were I still a poli-sci prof, perhaps I’d teach that the Right has destroyed the good-for-America things which scholars found applicable-in-the-USA back when I undergradded in the 1950s: Charles Lindblom’s “incrementalism” in the context of Robert Dahl’s description of back-then’s “pluralism”. {Google-izate these names and terms to clarify what I’m talking about here.} … Today’s “centrism” {eg Hillary-ism} romanticizes-as-still-operable the now-gone days when a “pluralistic” society under “incrementalism” was able to achieve viable governmental policy. These concepts’ advantages are no longer available because they’re stymied by Corporate politics {including the WallStreetism of the Clintonesque faction among Democrats}, and because of the disabling distractions which boil in the Republicans’ nitwit Right. In short: America-as-well-functioning has been destroyed by the Right’s rich-and-nitwit factions. … Methinks Bernie-ism’s systemic-revolution-ism might be a Realistic path toward improving things.
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I was purty-durn’ handy at academic-writing, folks said, … but I found it tedious to compose and to read. Meticulous re just-right adjectives and re other stuff of scholarship. ’Tis MUCH more fun to write sketchily-informally as I do in this “comment”. {AND it’s even More fun to issue silly rhymes.}
Du Hillary is not a moderate!!!!! You are all wrong. Du Hillary is for Du Hillary. Get over it!!! Moderate? Progressive? She will say anything to get power and money!!!! If she says she is a progressive, then she wants progressive support. But then she has many Wall Street and corporate support and ties. She is as phony as our current, brave leader. I have lived through many presidents and have watched the Clintons very close. You all are not paying attention to what is infront of you.
Hillary is "moderate" only if you're being charitable. I would call her center right, at best.
She & The Big Bubba have a history of being nearly as corporatist as the Repugnicans. If she's the nominee, considering the altrenative, I'll hold my nose & vote for her. But I would certainly prefer that she not win the nomination.
Our political system was written by 18th-century plutocrats, who feared democracy. That is why we need to change our political system. A discussion on the "hot topic" of the day is pointless. It's just a broken system you are talking about and trying to make sense of.
Clinton #1, Baby Bush Obama, and now Clinton #2?!! That translates to: Republican Lite, Hard-Core Republican, then Republican Lite Again... now MORE Republican Lite?! HELL no.
Great Article ! ... Yes, Centrists or Moderates do throw a Bone out to us Progressives once in awhile but over all, I've been Very Frustrated with the Oboma Presidency because he would Fold in compromise, like the ACA, which should've been a Medicare for all Bill.... and there are many more examples of Lousy compromises.
I'm SOoooooo Sick of Moderates & Centrists ! It has done the Party Harm to Embrace such a Philosophy !
Thanks for the advice, but the focus on a Sanders Presidency is well placed and in fact essential if we are to begin the changes to the Assembly immediately for the two year later takeover.
Bernie will laying the groundwork and setting the table, and those ignoramus will be dug in against doing what the people want. Which is where we want them. Can't do any of that with Prez Hill and Bill.
THAT is how you change the system
Every state, every seat.
Bernie is great, though far from perfect.
He alone is willing and capable of taking them all on like they need to be done.
I still can't get over Hillary calling herself a progressive. I lived through the 90's and I'm not brain dead. I remember when the conservative Clintons were the democrats answer to the republic shift. All of her doublespeak is really making me dislike her.
Capehart thinks Dems should move to the 'center?' Oy! The center has been shifted so far right in recent decades that it's no longer the center. Consider this-- when polled on specific issues, voters consistently support progressive policies, yet the Democratic party keeps waffling and triangulating and accommodating the Right. Dems like Clinton, Schumer, McCaskill, Lieberman and Clinton have abandoned FDR's legacy and have become a extension of the corporate sector. Certainly Dems are better on social issues, but on kitchen table economics they have dropped the ball, and that is the reason for their abysmal performance in elections. Bernie is absolutely right to present himself as an unapologetic progressive. It's the only way to drive turnout to the polls, which has an impact on all the down-ballot races. We aren't going to bring about significant change by saying, "Hey, let's move to the center."
This election more than any will also weed out the self-selected as informed political commentators, and Capehart has already gone down.
Looking the revolution in the face and calling for centrism is just his latest and maybe worst example. Probably not the worst. Maybe ironic, historically.
Actually, his Clinton stripes have been obviously visible for a good long time. Going with the Foundation, are you Jonathan?
And if it's the Democratic Party that he's all of a sudden worried about, where the hell has he been, except pulling to the Clinton Center.
From listening to the debate, I honestly feel Senator Sanders is not only a progressive but a true gentleman. This is what the country needs. Ms. Clinton, well, I was taught if you can't say something nice, don't say anything. So, I'll leave it at that.
Bernie can win! He needs to focus on single payer by offering public option once more. Allow teachers to buy into medicare at a discount with the stipulation that all savings to the school district go directly to teacher salaries. This will raise our wages by $10,000. We can get the healthcare ceo's out of our education budget. They don't provide healthcare. Doctors and nurses and medical technicians do. Health insurance corporations are nothing more then a bookeeping service skimming 20% off the top. Before obamacare it was 30%. This is a ponzi scheme. We can provide this service for 3%. Give teachers a raise and healthcare at a discount. Our society can do this for our teachers.
Being a moderate these days equals what was extreme right just a few decades ago, but more importantly anyone self identifying with being moderate or to the right are all victims of their own apathy, they're not paying attention to economic and social reality. They've allowed Fox News and the rest of the corp propaganda machine to do their thinking for them. This is no accident, the mass media weapon is how the Fascists have slowly and consistently seized power since the 80's. Fascism is here, they now own our government, Obama's support for the TPP is the final proof that big money is in full control.
Being moderate or to the right is nothing short of fervent allegiance to continued extreme concentration of wealth, which will ultimately take us back to a "Grapes of Wrath" Feudal State.
What the Fascist owned corpse media now defines/considers as far to the left is simply what the vast majority really want from government, and the polls all verify this....things like single payer, living wage, expanded social security, fix our crumbling infrastructure, green energy, tax the extremely rich, end Citizens United, end gerrymandering, allow Medicare to negotiate drug pricing, reinstate voting rights...etc. ...all things Bernie is for.
In my mind this makes Bernie the true representative of the vast majority regardless of left, moderate, or right, media concocted hogwash.
Do you believe in alternative therapies personal injury. Are you someone who believes in the interconnectedness of the mind / body / spirit? Then you want to find a degree of a doctor who shares your philosophical convictions. weight loss for men
I don't want a moderate! I especially don't want a centrist! I want a human leader that is working for the best interest of us and the environment. It's very simple and plain. Have the integrity, guts and convictions to make a real difference and SCREW the status quo!
Viva la revolution! Bernie Sanders 2016!
Ten Ways Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush Are Basically the Same Presidential Candidate:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/10-ways-hillary-clinton-and-jeb-bush-are-ba...
15 Ways Bill Clinton’s White House Failed America and the World. Many Americans do not associate Clinton with his dark legacy:
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/15-ways-bill-clintons-white-house-...
The Dark Side Of Hillary Clinton Section 1 - Lies & Political Convenience:
http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/dark-side-hillary-clinton-section-1-lies...
PART 2: POLITICAL CONVENIENCE & THE DARK SIDE OF HILLARY CLINTON:
http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/part-2-political-convenence-dark-side-hi...
HILLARY CLINTON WILL NOT ‘DO’ ANYTHING TO STOP THE TPP!:
http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/hillary-clinton-will-not-do-anything-sto...
I love it when Bernie stands up to the billionaire class and says: "You can't have it all!" and "If you can't stop your greed, we will stop it for you!" I’ve waited all my life to see a candidate in a run for the White House who sounds like that.
Now that's what I call presidential. Here's a man who loves his country, a real patriot whose ambition is nation-building not empire-building. This is a leader who aspires to wage war on poverty instead of a war on the poor. To those kleptocrats and entitled brats who benefit from this toxic quagmire, extracting profits off our sweat, our hide and our flesh, Bernie’s message is blunt and direct. “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!”
There's no better example to illustrate what a great statesman looks like and sounds like. Real leadership isn’t for sale. Someone like Bernie, not beholden to the almighty Koch Brothers for example, or to Big Pharma’s CEOs or the OILgarchs; someone in a position of influence both willing and able to fight for us. That is a rare moment, the kind that makes history. It is nothing to take for granted. Quite the contrary, they are to be savored, amplified and played out to their fullest potential, maximizing their positive impact on people’s lives and those of future generations.
This is what visionary leadership is really about: supporting the struggles of “ordinary” people towards social mobility, economic justice and a fair share of the wealth they’ve created. The kind of leadership that sees to it our hard-earned tax money is used to OUR benefit and not transnational corporations and/or a tiny clique of billionaires. Leadership whose mission is to protect the rights and interests of the majority who are not wealthy or privileged and must work to survive…. What we want is to live the kind of life that can only be had with wages that actually support families, along with a robust commons and reliable, secure social safety net. For these are the things that provide the very foundation each of us needs, just to make a life, and that keep societies civilized.
When government is hijacked by anti-government imposters who claim no one has basic rights to anything- not even necessities like water, sanitation and healthcare- and legislate accordingly; when these same political hacks outsource middle class manufacturing jobs while “every man for himself” is a creed those in power want us small fry to live and struggle by... well then, we’ve got a problem. And I call it "taxation without representation".
Despite whatever stability, comforts and conveniences you now enjoy, that “stability” is just one injury or illness away from imploding. You could be among those next unfortunate souls destined to lose everything you ever worked for, maybe even life itself. I know this sounds extreme, but we are living in extreme times. And Bernie Sanders is that once-in-a-lifetime candidate both willing and able to combat this problem at its very source, and fight for us so we can create and have the kind of society we Americans deserve.
Bollivar is right. On that note, Hillary is the only moderately sane republican running this year, and there is only one Progressive, Bernie. Hillary may be socially "liberal" when it suits her to get votes, but don't ever mistake her for a Progressive. You all know the flip flops on gay marriage, TPP - which she'll approve the week she were to get in office, and on and on, as well as the republican war-mongering to send other people's children to die, and to kill those overseas. She is not even the most moderate republican, but she is a moderately sane one.
Well said, Brogs!
Move to center, you say? Whatever for??? Why would I want to be a Republican? I was one, then I started precinct work and found I could not peddle a Republican in working and poor class neighborhoods. That switched me to being a Demo and I've been happy ever since. Also, I'm a conservationist first which cannot be supported in our present T-party republicans who view wildlife something to shoot....Palin in point. And Sarah wants to be Interior Sec in The Donald's cabinet??? heaven forbid, hope that doesn't come to pass. NO NO NO....when Demos become centrists then it's time for me to become an Independent.
A for Bernie, I view him as being more akin to Gve 'em Hell, Truman. I don't know of another president who subpoenaed Congress to return to Congress to pass a budget plus a few other things during an election year. I lived through FDR;s and Truman's presidencies. Truman was the firebrand. That's who Bernie brings to mind. I don't think FDR would have had the guts to fire Gen MacArthur....the best thing Truman ever did besides issuing subpoenas to Congress.
Over here in the UK I voted in 97 for Labour led by Tony Blair, I remember my late Brother phoning me and saying " it was a great day" and he was right , the relief the Country felt after the dark years of Thatcher was palpable, how wrong we were, Blair was a Centrist and we finished up with a Government no different in essence to what we have now with Cameron, So thank heavens for Jeremy Corbyn a real Socialist and hope for the Left in this Country, and he was elected mainly by the young members of the Labour Party, much to the chagrin of the remaining Centrist MPs in the Party, I see parallells with Bernie Sanders and his support among the Millennials in the US , the young are our hope for the Future , they can see through the bullshit and have had enough, you have a movement going in the US that terrifies the Establishment and the Corporations and long may it continue. Maybe we can finally get rid of all the selfserving money worshipping ,snake oil salesmen , that pass for Politicians in both our Countries.
re Hillary-vs-Bernie
{“centrism”-vs-“progressivism”}
[Bernie-ism the better choice] -
Were I still a poli-sci prof, perhaps I’d teach that the Right has destroyed the good-for-America things which scholars found applicable-in-the-USA back when I undergradded in the 1950s: Charles Lindblom’s “incrementalism” in the context of Robert Dahl’s description of back-then’s “pluralism”. {Google-izate these names and terms to clarify what I’m talking about here.} … Today’s “centrism” {eg Hillary-ism} romanticizes-as-still-operable the now-gone days when a “pluralistic” society under “incrementalism” was able to achieve viable governmental policy. These concepts’ advantages are no longer available because they’re stymied by Corporate politics {including the WallStreetism of the Clintonesque faction among Democrats}, and because of the disabling distractions which boil in the Republicans’ nitwit Right. In short: America-as-well-functioning has been destroyed by the Right’s rich-and-nitwit factions. … Methinks Bernie-ism’s systemic-revolution-ism might be a Realistic path toward improving things.
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I was purty-durn’ handy at academic-writing, folks said, … but I found it tedious to compose and to read. Meticulous re just-right adjectives and re other stuff of scholarship. ’Tis MUCH more fun to write sketchily-informally as I do in this “comment”. {AND it’s even More fun to issue silly rhymes.}
Bernie should be really nervous with H as a VP, even more than JFK with LBJ at his back.
In fact, after the NH primary, I sure hope Bernie has some real and serious Secret Service protection, or his own loyal security in place.
Suspect he's worrying the rest of the field enough already.
Really needs someone watching his six!
Du Hillary is not a moderate!!!!! You are all wrong. Du Hillary is for Du Hillary. Get over it!!! Moderate? Progressive? She will say anything to get power and money!!!! If she says she is a progressive, then she wants progressive support. But then she has many Wall Street and corporate support and ties. She is as phony as our current, brave leader. I have lived through many presidents and have watched the Clintons very close. You all are not paying attention to what is infront of you.
Hillary is "moderate" only if you're being charitable. I would call her center right, at best.
She & The Big Bubba have a history of being nearly as corporatist as the Repugnicans. If she's the nominee, considering the altrenative, I'll hold my nose & vote for her. But I would certainly prefer that she not win the nomination.
COUNT THE SUPERDELEGATES, THEN TELL ME BERNIE CAN WIN. THEN TELL ME WHY WE NEED AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE, NOT A NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE FOR PRESIDENT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016
Our political system was written by 18th-century plutocrats, who feared democracy. That is why we need to change our political system. A discussion on the "hot topic" of the day is pointless. It's just a broken system you are talking about and trying to make sense of.
Modernize OUR constitution now.
http://www.thenationalreferendum.org/
Another Great Article Thom, Thanks ! ! !
Clinton #1, Baby Bush Obama, and now Clinton #2?!! That translates to: Republican Lite, Hard-Core Republican, then Republican Lite Again... now MORE Republican Lite?! HELL no.
Spot On Thom ! ! !
Great Article ! ... Yes, Centrists or Moderates do throw a Bone out to us Progressives once in awhile but over all, I've been Very Frustrated with the Oboma Presidency because he would Fold in compromise, like the ACA, which should've been a Medicare for all Bill.... and there are many more examples of Lousy compromises.
I'm SOoooooo Sick of Moderates & Centrists ! It has done the Party Harm to Embrace such a Philosophy !
Thanks Buddy!
That's the ONLY way I wouldn't vote for Bernie - put Hillary a hearbeat away.
Certin progressive suicide ... even if they COULD get elected.
Thanks for the advice, but the focus on a Sanders Presidency is well placed and in fact essential if we are to begin the changes to the Assembly immediately for the two year later takeover.
Bernie will laying the groundwork and setting the table, and those ignoramus will be dug in against doing what the people want. Which is where we want them. Can't do any of that with Prez Hill and Bill.
THAT is how you change the system
Every state, every seat.
Bernie is great, though far from perfect.
He alone is willing and capable of taking them all on like they need to be done.
Go, Bernie.
I still can't get over Hillary calling herself a progressive. I lived through the 90's and I'm not brain dead. I remember when the conservative Clintons were the democrats answer to the republic shift. All of her doublespeak is really making me dislike her.
Capehart thinks Dems should move to the 'center?' Oy! The center has been shifted so far right in recent decades that it's no longer the center. Consider this-- when polled on specific issues, voters consistently support progressive policies, yet the Democratic party keeps waffling and triangulating and accommodating the Right. Dems like Clinton, Schumer, McCaskill, Lieberman and Clinton have abandoned FDR's legacy and have become a extension of the corporate sector. Certainly Dems are better on social issues, but on kitchen table economics they have dropped the ball, and that is the reason for their abysmal performance in elections. Bernie is absolutely right to present himself as an unapologetic progressive. It's the only way to drive turnout to the polls, which has an impact on all the down-ballot races. We aren't going to bring about significant change by saying, "Hey, let's move to the center."
This election more than any will also weed out the self-selected as informed political commentators, and Capehart has already gone down.
Looking the revolution in the face and calling for centrism is just his latest and maybe worst example. Probably not the worst. Maybe ironic, historically.
Actually, his Clinton stripes have been obviously visible for a good long time. Going with the Foundation, are you Jonathan?
And if it's the Democratic Party that he's all of a sudden worried about, where the hell has he been, except pulling to the Clinton Center.
Thanks for the heads up there, Jonathan.
See ya at the party.
From listening to the debate, I honestly feel Senator Sanders is not only a progressive but a true gentleman. This is what the country needs. Ms. Clinton, well, I was taught if you can't say something nice, don't say anything. So, I'll leave it at that.
Bernie can win! He needs to focus on single payer by offering public option once more. Allow teachers to buy into medicare at a discount with the stipulation that all savings to the school district go directly to teacher salaries. This will raise our wages by $10,000. We can get the healthcare ceo's out of our education budget. They don't provide healthcare. Doctors and nurses and medical technicians do. Health insurance corporations are nothing more then a bookeeping service skimming 20% off the top. Before obamacare it was 30%. This is a ponzi scheme. We can provide this service for 3%. Give teachers a raise and healthcare at a discount. Our society can do this for our teachers.
I am What I am for I am