Highlights on the Show...November 23 - November 27, 2009
By Louise
Monday - KPOJ's Carl & Christine fill in for ThomHour Two: "Turkey, Native Americans, Pilgrims...oh my!" Kenneth Davis stops to do some Thanksgiving myth-busting www.dontknowmuch.com
Hour Three: "What do we do about Afghanistan?" Former State Dept. contractor Matthew Hoh drops by along with filmmaker Robert Greenwald to "Rethink Afghanistan" www.rethinkafghanistan.com
Tuesday - KPOJ's Carl & Christine fill in for Thom
Comments
#2
loretta, thank you again!
Quark, I have already had a massive heart attack in 1994. As I laid in the hospital, Mary, the mother of Jesus, stood by my bed watching over me.
I made a promise that should I live I would no longer worry about being politically nice and politically correct in my words.
#3
Yes Gerald, Sometimes I meditate before I post or write letters. While meditating, I ask for words that others will want to read and think about. I try very hard not to insult the intelligence of other liberals who I know are so very close to sharing my beliefs and dreams for our country.
I know that the subtle differences in our political disagreements will not stop us from working together to stop global warming, gain access to health care, fight corporations, help get everyone housing, clothing, education, healthy food, and access to life affirming art, literature and music. We will soon be directing our attention to stopping the war in Afghanistan and we will need to work together!
Gerald, please remember that we are part of your family! So we deserve to be treated with intelligent respect when you write your posts.
Happy Thanksgiving!
#4
Gerald,
There are anger-management problems on both sides of my family. I recognize alot of what goes into it. I empathize with those who are angry what is behind the anger. However, all it does is raise the blood pressure of those who are angry. God knows, we have SO many reasons to be angry in this country. I, myself, can get very angry and have trouble calming down at times. (For example, I told the "push poll" shop-at-Walmart phone survey person this week to convey to the Walton family that they should "go to Hell" for all the damage they've done to this country.)
I try to channel my anger and passion into considered argument, whenever I can. I actually feel better when I do that.
I don't have the right to tell anyone else what to do, God knows. I just try to help, if possible (and ask forgiveness if I overstep in my enthusiam.)
#5
Bless you all and keep you well.
#6
Richard L. Adlof, you have every right to disagree with me. If people agreed with everyone, we would not be living in a viable world. My concern are the Nazis who want to shout down people who disagree or lock them up or kill them.
mstaggerlee, Thom has mentioned it and I have read about it and Northern Europe has the happiest people. They have the safety nets to help them live longer. If I had the money, I would relocate to a Northern European country.
We keep hearing that tomorrow is Thanksgiving and there is much to be grateful for since we live in America.
Stalinista Obama will be sending up to 40,000 cannon fodder soldiers to Afghanistan and we will spend $40 to 50 billion a yeat for a generation or more so we can control the oil and natural gas resources in Central Asia. I heard on the Thom show today that no Middle Eastern countries have sent their troops to fight in Afghanistan. We have cannon fodder Americans doing most of the fighting in a losing war.
What am I grateful for? Let me try and answer you that question! I am grateful for the fact that God let me live long enough to see that the USA is not a good, holy, and saintly nation. We are an evil, vile, and wicked nation. We start wars to see if our weaponry research can be applied in real wars and not in a laboratory controlled testing. How can I be grateful for our ongoing wars that are killing God’s children? Our Nazi Americns are grateful of such killings. Our Nazi Americans are grateful that lack of health care is killing off human beings. Our banks and financial institutions are screwing us royally. Deregulations and lack of pay raises are enslaving Americans. The middle class is being systematically depleted. Pensions and investments have been raped from us by the banksters and the crooks on Wall Street. Main Street experiences a BOHICA Day everyday. BEND OVER HERE IT COMES AGAIN!!!
We, as Nazi Americans, must remove ourselves from our constant state of denial that we are not so evil. Our evil is deep and widespread.
#7
B Roll,
If you're out there, happy Thanksgiving! (I miss your comments.)
#8
loretta and Quark, you have said the KEY WORDS we are part of a family but our family is divided with the Nazis of our country in control of the mass media and by their hatred and lies.
Obama has chosen not to be part of the world family by refusing to have Nazi America join the International Criminal Court and to have mass murderers and war criminals like Bush II and Cheney investigated, prosecuting, and put in jail for the rest of their lives. Our country will never heal unless we become part of the world family and to remember as God's children we are His family.
#9
@GeraldSocha: I am just going on record as stating that your “Nazi America” labeling is doing your cause as much good as the “Meat is Murder” meme is stopping turkeys from being delicious Thanksgiving holiday treats. Zer-rada, zip, nada, none, nope, less-than-sub-zero . . .
#10
When do we start our war protests? We better start soon, eh... So much love to everyone here. I am so thankful for your wisdom, humor, passion, intelligence and drive to keep this moving even when it looks a little bleak... I couldn't survive without you guys.
sending everyone lots and lots and lots of love for the holidays.
Loretta
#11
I enjoy civil disagreements.
A Country Named Job
I am writing this letter for people who may have read the Bible. In the Bible there is in the Old Testament, the Book of Job. Job lived about 500 or 600 years before the birth of Jesus Christ. It was also around the time that God was not pleased with His people. God has given everything to the people and they were not listening to Him. They were not willing to help one another and their lives were very sinful. God was going to destroy the earth.
For some reason God was going to give the world another chance. He was going to test the world with one person and that person was Job. Job was a man of prayer and he would also praise God. God blessed Job with wealth, land, property, and family. God slowly started to take away what He had given to Job. Job still prayed and praised God. A neighbor came by one day and he talked to Job. He said to Job that God was punishing Job and Job still prayed and praised God. How could Job continue to love God? Job said to his neighbor that it was God’s will and God knows best.
God was so moved by Job’s words and loyalty that He spared the earth from destruction. Job’s behavior silenced God. God would speak only one more time. God spoke at Jesus’ baptism in the Jordan River. “This is my son in whom I am well pleased.”
From Jesus’ death to the present we keep hearing that God works in mysterious ways. With God there are no surprises. No, God does not work in mysterious ways. He has given us His son and the words of Jesus. Our problem is that we refuse to listen to God’s son and His words. God has been testing the world through the United States of America. God has not chosen a person; He has chosen a country. The United States of America is now the Job of the New Testament.
Job, the country, has failed every test. Job, the country, holds steadfastly to hatred and lies. She has also embraced murders and war crimes. She has also turned her back on God and God’s son, Jesus. Christianity is no longer Job’s religion. Bushianity has taken over as Job’s religion. Job and the country’s beauty believe that they are better than God. Like Lucifer, the most beautiful of God’s angels, Job believes that God is not needed and the axis of evil is better than God. Job’s axis of evil clings to money, nuclear weapons, and Bush’s words.
Job, the country, will also bring down the rest of world and its population. Job has failed God and her destruction and the world’s destruction are imminent.
#12
I will be away from the computer for a day or two and so I want to leave you with an open confession and a lighter side of me as a person.
A Marinated Four Bean Salad
As my energy diminishes and health concerns grow, I am taking the time to share with you a personal history of my life and an open confession. Until the 1984 election I was an operative for the Nazi Party, commonly known as the GOP. I left the Nazi Party because I had come to the belief that Ronald Reagan was a pathological liar. Part of our covert missions was to search and destroy any creditable Democrat or creditable Democrat issues. Although I am no longer a Nazi Party operative, I still have some friends within the Nazi Party who have informed me that my name is on file.
My name is on file in two areas in an office complex between Washington, D.C. and Baltimore. In this office complex there are names of suspected domestic terrorists and suspected foreign terrorists. I have two files under suspected miscellaneous terrorists. One file is on deadly words and the second file is on my breaking of wind exploits.
If you have read my words and thoughts on the United States of Evil, you have some idea why my words and thoughts have a special file as a suspected miscellaneous terrorist. What you may not be aware of has to do with my breaking of wind can be deadly. I must be honest with you. I love a marinated four bean salad, especially if it is refrigerated the night before I eat it. I can make an entire meal of a marinated four bean salad.
When I break wind, people can become nauseous. What can be potential deadly in my breaking wind is determined if I add marinated broccoli and marinated Brussels sprouts to the marinated four bean salad.
My wife is reluctant to prepare me a marinated four bean salad. Here is the reason. We were invited to a social event by some neocon friends who extended an invitation to my wife and me as a token for diversity with two progressive friends. It was in the winter time. My wife had prepared for me a marinated four bean salad the night before the social event. Of course, I had the salad in the mid-morning because these neocon friends really piss me off. By evening I was ready. We went to the social gathering and midway through the evening I started to break wind. The stench was terrible. Women were fainting to the floor, on tables, over chairs, and even my wife pretended to faint. She did so as to not draw attention to her husband who was the culprit. By now she is immune to my breaking of wind adventures. At first she did sleep with a gas mask by her side of the bed. She was not immune to the toxic wind coming from my side of the bed early in our marriage.
The men could not stop laughing. My guess is that such an experience is a male thing.
When my wife and I were driving home, she was furious and she said that she would never prepare such a salad in the winter. Summer is a better time because the windows can be open and people can gather outside and away from the nauseous stench.
When the CIA and the FBI heard of the nauseous event, they investigated and my name was added to their files, under the name of Breaking Wind, a Potentially Deadly Terrorist Weapon.
#13
I heard some loud, opinionated (as if there’s any other kind) sports radio host proclaim that Congress, and then government in general, was incompetent because it hadn’t fixed the economy yet. He sounded like one of those conservatives who blames government for everything, but can’t make up his mind if it’s because of what government did do—or didn’t do, like provide effective regulation. If government is incompetent, it was because it got out of the way of the private sector, and allowed business to do whatever it deemed "necessary" to extract profits, regardless of the effect on society. The governor of the state of Washington is considering cutting out Basic Health—which covers 65,000 of the working poor with affordable health insurance, with an equal number on the waiting list—from the budget altogether; the state is facing a (relatively) massive budget deficit due to a shortage of tax revenue. This is in part due to huge tax breaks the governor had given in to for companies like Boeing, which demanded billions in tax breaks in exchange for 1,500 jobs for the 787—while Boeing continued to lay-off workers on other lines despite near record orders, causing it to fall behind on deliveries. Because the state’s budget is mandated to be balanced, and because of restrictions in gathering up additional tax revenues, the state has taken to penalizing the usual suspects: students and the poor. Ultimately, the real culprit is not government per say, but those who facilitate the greed of corporations and those who run them--at the expense of the working people they are supposed to serve.
#14
What data was that Sally James looking at?
#15
Happy Thanksgiving.....
Interesting timing...I found an entire set of history kits for a number of presidents in a brick brack store. Each kit has a cassette you listen to and a comic book with the exact same wording you hear on the cassette and read along with. There were published in the Library of Congress.
On page 21 of the George Washington book, "In 1773, the citizens of Boston dumped 350 chests of British Tea into the harbor to protest England's unfair taxes." Leaving you to think it was the tax itself that was the catalyst for the Boston Tea Party.
However, as we know from being 'Hartmannites' and by verifying this with other historians that this is true ....A tax on tea would be maintained, but the company [East India Tea Company] would actually be able to sell its tea for a price that was lower than before. A MONOPOLY doesn't allow for competition. As such the British East India Company could lower its prices http://www.ushistory.org/us/9f.asp - and put the locals out of business as Wal-mart does today.
But then, on page 52 of the book. is 'during the first term, Washington and his cabinet had to decide to best way to collect money, Said George: "we must place a tax on foreign goods coming into the country."
Just another example of how Thom Hartmann show listeners are grateful for having the inside track on what does and does not makes cents and sense.
#16
In January of 2001, I had a massive heart attack. It turned out, after testing, that I had an earlier event prior. It was somewhat miraculous that I survived long enough to receive surgical help in buying me time. While my medical treatment was state of the art, the results were mixed. My prognosis is tenuous. Only breakthroughs in stem cell remedies or a heart transplant will offer longterm hope. (Another reason to abhor W.) The doctors told me to sell my business and retire at the age of 46. My incredible wife told me that she could take up the slack and that I should get well and then "Go get that son of a bitch dis-elected." I told her that I didn't know if I could accomplish that much,but , would try. Thus began my new career of working in politics.
I began attending local Democratic meetings that fall. In the first hour of the first meeting I attended, it was clear to me that the Democrats were dis-organized and lacked discipline. They liked to have meetings. At these meetings they liked to sit around and bitch and lament how evil the Cons were. Near the end of that first meeting, where I knew no one, I got up and told them that while they were busy discussing how bad the Republicans were, those same Republicans were busy planning how to eat the Democrat's lunch. Ever since I have been trying to get them to think strategically and pro-actively. It is a hard sell. Too many are there wanting to speech-a-fy and pontificate. Too few are willing to roll up their sleeves and work like a team with a common, specific, goal. Most want to be chiefs and too few are willing to be Indians. The expression about herding cats was probably invented after encountering Democrats.
The Republicans have several advantages, not the least of which are strategies which recognize the fundamental importance of messaging in modern politics. It is not only the choice of words for specific issues but the building of popular public opinion which plows the ground for selling a construct which is favorable for future gains. An example is "big government". Ask a hundred people to say the first word which comes to mind after hearing those two words, and I will bet upwards of 80% will say: BAD. This is the result of years and years of message discipline and repetition. This came from a conservative think tank years and years ago. The Republicans through their connection to big business have invested in and relied upon the advice and direction of think tanks who hire very clever and intelligent experts in manipulating public opinion. These are scientists of selling things. They understand industrial psychology and cognitive linguistics. They are experts at mining public opinion through targeted polling. They realize that knowing what magazines people read can not only predict their opinions but offer clues to how those opinions can be steered. They understood early on that manipulating fear and other emotions were far more effective than appealing to reason. Selling soap taught them that. They had been doing that for more than a hundred years. The marriage of commercial expertise with political campaigning methods was inevitable. It was probably inevitable that the fascist alliance of business interests and the Republicans would first realize the potential of applying these sciences of psychology to the sciences of politics. The Democrats still haven't fully caught up, especially at the state level. The Obama campaign closed that gap and actually lurched ahead in at least a few areas. They took the example of Howard Dean and bettered it through their use of the Internet, and at the same time harnessed the talents and votes of the youth in a way never thought possible before. Unlike Howard Dean, the Obama camp has retained this expertise and information for his Organizing for America operation rather than trying to spread it throughout the Democratic Party as Dean did. Barack & Company have a different agenda than Governor Dean did. Howard is an "US" person.
I have worked hard to educate myself about the science of politics these past eight years. I have been lucky to be in a great place to learn. I have been even luckier to have some extremely gifted mentors who have been willing to teach me. (Most are younger than me) Messaging and communication are very precise and demanding disciplines which are absolutely crucial to success in influencing political thought. The right word(s) can make a election. The wrong word(s) can torpedo the best efforts of dedicated progressives. Our opponents are expert at capitalizing on openings that we give. Yes we all have the right to say what we want, BUT...throwing around words like NAZI is not only not accurate, or cute, but is potentially destructive to our cause. What good is it to fight a wrong if in doing so we become more like what we hate? Throwing around charges of evil and Nazi sounds more like george W. than the words of a rational and thoughtful progressive. I'm not the thought police or the head arbiter of good here or anywhere else... but for myself. You can take my words and consider their merit or reject them as you will. I however believe resolutely that shrill and reckless words will not help to advance understanding or progress and may in fact help the forces of greed and indifference gain ground. So, Gerald, Loretta and others who encourage this practice...I respectfully disagree....not only that....your forcing them on me over and over again is kind of disrespectful and rude...but I'll survive...as long as I can hold my breath. I still value your many special attributes more than the few which may vex me. Peace to all.
P.S. Don't buy anything today! :-)
#17
The Family
If you have been reading comments on Thom’s blog, you would have read both Loretta and Quark mention that we are PART OF A FAMILY. They are absolutely correct. All of us in this world are part of God’s family. The problem is that in the United States we are divided between the people who have and the people who do not have.
On C Street in Washington, D. C. there is a cult called The Family. This cult believes that if you have money, like the ten percent of Nazi Americans, you are chosen by God. The other ninety percent are only cannon fodder to be slaves and to fight Nazi America’s endless wars to control all the natural resources in the world, like oil and natural gas, especially in Central Asia and the Middle East.
In Nazi America we have corporations, companies, like health care and others, banks, and financial institutions that have been screwing the ninety percent royally. We are not even part of the world family who belongs to the International Criminal Court that is located at The Hague, Netherlands.
Americans without money are not considered part of the family. The ten percent with money sit on their fat behinds coming up with new ideas to how best enslave the entire world population. The ten percent will say that they do not have fat behinds. I say that they do have fat and wide behinds. How can we tell? Let them take the FAT BEHIND TEST.
They are to squat on a toilet seat. If their cheeks from their behind overlap the toilet seat, they have a fat behind.
I am presently listening to a FM radio station in Detroit. Gene Autry was singing "Santa's coming to towm." The song has a sentence in it. "We are all God's children." My guess is that we have never learned those words in Nazi America.
#18
http://www.opednews.com/articles/President-Obama-prepares-t-by-michael-p...
The above is a must read article!!!
#19
Nazi America as a phoenix will never rise from its ashes.
#20
Neocons rule Nazi America!!!
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/2405-obama...
#21
Just before Thanksgiving Obama spared a turkey's life but on December 1, 2009 no Americans soldiers will be spared as he will send more cannon fodder to their death.
The final nail has been pounded into Nazi America's coffin.
#22
Today and every day is a BOHICA DAY!!!
BEND OVER HERE IT COMES AGAIN!!!
#23
Nazi America really does love to kill God's children!!!
#24
Seeing the dismemberment of human bodies must truly be a glorious sight for Nazi Americans!!!!!
#25
Dday,
I am officially convinced that you are right. I wasn't big on using the term anyway, but I now agree with you. Gerald, please grow up and join the adults on the blog who seek attention in more intelligent, reasonable, articulate, community-minded ways.
#26
Lovely Loretta,
I'm gratified by your acceptance of my entreaty. Life's circumstances have filled me with a sense of urgency to make a difference and some contribution before time is up. I have less patience for things which don't advance the ball. Advancing the ball is so very difficult and halting. Very often it seems as if it is one step forward and two backwards. The forces of greed and indifference are very good at this game we call politics. About the only thing we have going for us is the ultimate truth of our morals and values. Thom referred to Mathew 25. It's message works for me. One doesn't have to be an adherent of any particular religious dogma to be a moral and just person. Being considerate of your fellow brothers and sisters is all that is necessary to discover good and guide your way.
When someone tells you that your actions are causing them pain or distress, it would seem only right that one would listen and try to moderate their behavior so as to lessen discord and suffering, especially with friends. The more I say ouch to Gerald the more he seems to gleefully whack away. I don't understand his indifference. I don't understand his religion. I wish he would inflict it on his enemies rather than his comrades. I share his hatred of war. His words have sometimes informed me and provoked change. It was through him that I now know what BOHICA means. Unfortunately his posts embody BOHICA for me. I think maybe I should look for another "sandbox" to play in where the children are better behaved. It's obvious that Gerald has plopped down here and has no intention to move or stop sharing his fermented four bean salad whether we want it or not. When I first began coming here in August, I was a neophyte. Someone, (BRoll ?) taught me about trolls and the concept of not feeding them. I guess I'm a slow learner, but, no more encouragement from me Gerald. Every time you insist on spreading your excrement in our faces, close your eyes and listen carefully. You may hear me screaming...suggesting that you do something which is probably anatomically impossible. Otherwise, silence is all you'll get from me. :-(
Sorry Loretta, I needed to get that said. I'll try and be more forgiving from now on. Peace :-)
#27
Sorry if I offend but the truth will set you free, plus the truth hurts. People must move away from their state of denial.
I voted for Obama and I was hoping for change. Instead I find myself having the shit kick out of me from an old fashion alley mugging. If you like being mugged, be my guest.
The stakes are high in this country. Our freedoms and rights are at stake.
Do you really listen to Thom and understand what he is saying? He is trying to give Obama some time and I understand him in that way but I am tired of being hosed by my government and its politicians.
If you are upset at me and my comments, fine, but you are projecting your frustrations onto me instead of Obama. You need to focus on Obama and start to realize that he needs more than language skills to be president.
#28
Here are some words from our rejection of the landmines treaty. I am tired of failed leadership from both sides of the aisle.
Are the progressives on this blog accepting of landmines? From the comments I read they do favor the rejection of this treaty.
'Lost opportunity'
Patrick Leahy, a US senator and a leading advocate for the treaty, called the decision "a default of US leadership" and criticised the state department's policy review as "cursory and half-hearted".
"It is a lost opportunity for the United States to show leadership instead of joining with China and Russia and impeding progress"
Landmines are known to have caused 5,197 casualties last year, a third of them children, according to the Nobel prize-winning International Campaign to Ban Landmines.
Kelly said the US would still attend the conference next Sunday, which is expected to draw more than 1,000 delegates from more than 100 countries, including ministers and heads of state.
"As a global provider of security, we have an interest in the discussions there," he said.
"But we will be there as an observer, obviously, because we haven't signed the convention, nor do we plan to sign the convention."
Around 1,700 children have been killed from landmines. I guess the progressives are accepting of children being killed by these dastardly weapons.
It is time for the progressives to stand up for life and leave their endless lip service to the idea of life.
#29
Hi Dday,
It seems there is a power struggle going on and often the best thing to do at this point is to surrender. Skip over posts you can't read and trudge on. Thom is good about eliminating posts when they get too out of hand.
Whenever I feel a bit downhearted I read mystic poetry. Here are two of my favorites, translated by Daniel Ladinsky.
One Regret
by Hafiz
One regret that I am determined not to have
when I am lying upon
my death bed
is that we did not
kiss enough.
Two Drunk Beauties
by Mirabai
The moon was perched like a golden hawk on
the mango tree.
I knew the moon was like me--in heat,
crazed and hunting.
So I climbed up there with that wild old gal--
thinking:
Two drunk beauties like us
will surely snag
Krishna
With our eyes.
From Love Poems From God translated by Daniel Ladinsky
#30
Now I hear that my posts are too out of hand. My guess is that to love your country is too out of hand. I also guess that to love God's children is too out of hand. Well, what can a person say? Read the article below!!!
http://www.populistamerica.com/why_i_am_ashamed_to_be_an_american
#31
Here are the last two paragraphs from the above article. Personally, I would rather be more like Doug Soderstrom in my belief system than anyone else. But, my guess is that my belief system is too out of hand.
In conclusion, in order that you might understand where I am coming from, you need to realize that I do in fact have a bit of respect for my country, or at least for that which was envisioned by our forefathers, the founders of, what has turned out to be, a once great nation. However, just as we would with someone we love, we have no choice but to call attention to weakness, since in doing such a thing we give our loved ones an opportunity to address the problem. It is, and must be, the same with that of the land in which we have been born.
If we truly care about our country, if we really do want our nation to flourish, then we should realize that we have not only the right, but, much more importantly, the responsibility, perhaps even, one might say, a moral responsibility to point out its deficiencies in order that it might once again be revived. For we must remember, as our nation goes, so do we... in its flourishing we, as a people, will no doubt thrive, but in passing away, we, as a collective society, might well cease to exist.
#32
There are some who say that my posts may be too out of hand. There is also a suggestion to avoid reading my posts. I cannot stop you from reading my comments and posts but it is your decision.
Before you stop reading my comments and posts, you may want to view this information if you have the stomach for it.
#33
My fellow Nazi Americans we do not live in a fairytale land where life is wonderful. We live in a real world of hatred, corruption, and lies. Life is not an endless Sunday picnic. War is not a video game.
I am not the educator at Thom's level but I am somewhat familiar with the brain. The brain is a muscle. You use it or you lose it. Our bains need to be challenged. There are progressives on this blog who ask you not to think. Lack of a thinking process for the brain will bring about an atrophied brain. In plain English you will become brain dead.
#34
"Fight, rape, war, pillage, burn. Filmic images of death and carnage are pornography for the military man.''
—Jarhead: A Marine's Chronicle of the Gulf War and Other Battles by former sniper Anthony Swofford (Scribner, 2003).
#35
War Is Romantic
In an article dated, March 14, 2008, Hitler Bush said that the Afghanistan challenge is romantic. He also said that he would fight in Afghanistan if he was younger. In fact he said that he is a little envious of our soldiers who are fighting in Afghanistan. He continued to say to our soldiers that it must be exciting for them and in some ways romantic.
Hitler Bush is the same person who put on his application in the National Guard that he only wanted to be stationed in the United States of Evil. In fact he would not release his military records and his records are housed in his father’s library and these records will NEVER BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC.
This is the same Hitler Bush who would spend his evenings drinking and he ends up in a drunken stupor. Now Hitler Bush is saying to our soldiers that war is romantic. Whenever he thought he would be called to Vietnam for duty, you could find him in a corner of a bar quivering like a scared scurvy rat. He now wants to be our soldiers’ inspirational leader. A chicken hawk wants to inspire our soldiers to die.
Hitler Bush must be given some credit because he has convinced forty-four percent of the population to believe that torture, mass murders, and war crimes are acceptable.
In the 1960s we in America would want to make love and not war. Forty years later Hitler Bush is convincing Nazi Americans that war is romantic. I would have to surmise that Nazi Americans also believe that mass murders and war crimes are also romantic. Hitler Bush has probably convinced Nazi Americans that war is more like a love fest. Since you deeply love certain people, you want to kill them because they are going to a far better place.
Hitler Bush is truly amazing because most Nazi Americans adore, honor, and worship him. Our nation is following Hitler Bush into hell.
War Is Romantic from a Writer’s Perspective
Kenneth Barr wrote an article, “Romantic? Try Insulting!” Mr. Barr was in the military for at least ten years but he never found himself in harm’s way and so he finds it difficult to say that a person should go to war or try to describe what actual war is.
Hitler Bush spoke to the troops in Afghanistan and he said that war is a romantic experience. Mr. Barr found Hitler Bush’s words very insulting because Hitler Bush did everything he could to avoid going to Vietnam. Mr. Barr has also said that Hitler Bush’s statement to the troops is galling hypocrisy.
Mr. Barr has also said that a person should never describe what the person has never experienced because there is no first hand knowledge of actual combat. If a person is honest with himself or herself, he or she will see war as a living hell. For someone to say that war is a romantic experience is not just insulting but very troubling to a person of normal intelligence.
In another article Hitler Bush says to the troops that he is envious of them in Afghanistan and their fighting for democracy. He also says that if he was younger, he would be there fighting with them. Hitler Bush let the troops know that confronting danger can be exciting and romantic. Here is the number one chicken hawk with Hitler Cheney a close second telling the troops that war is exciting and romantic.
Hitler Bush’s comments make me puke. I have a barf bucket and two beach towels with me at all times, especially if I am in the home. There are times that Hitler Bush’s comments make me puke everyday and at times the puking is a torrential flow. Sometimes I am so puked out that dry heaves takes over when the torrential flow is drying up. Yes, it is true that Hitler Bush makes me puke.
#36
Obama never considered diplomacy with Afghanistan.
War Is Romantic
In an article dated, March 14, 2008, Hitler Bush said that the Afghanistan challenge is romantic. He also said that he would fight in Afghanistan if he was younger. In fact he said that he is a little envious of our soldiers who are fighting in Afghanistan. He continued to say to our soldiers that it must be exciting for them and in some ways romantic.
Hitler Bush is the same person who put on his application in the National Guard that he only wanted to be stationed in the United States of Evil. In fact he would not release his military records and his records are housed in his father’s library and these records will NEVER BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC.
This is the same Hitler Bush who would spend his evenings drinking and he ends up in a drunken stupor. Now Hitler Bush is saying to our soldiers that war is romantic. Whenever he thought he would be called to Vietnam for duty, you could find him in a corner of a bar quivering like a scared scurvy rat. He now wants to be our soldiers’ inspirational leader. A chicken hawk wants to inspire our soldiers to die.
Hitler Bush must be given some credit because he has convinced forty-four percent of the population to believe that torture, mass murders, and war crimes are acceptable.
In the 1960s we in America would want to make love and not war. Forty years later Hitler Bush is convincing Nazi Americans that war is romantic. I would have to surmise that Nazi Americans also believe that mass murders and war crimes are also romantic. Hitler Bush has probably convinced Nazi Americans that war is more like a love fest. Since you deeply love certain people, you want to kill them because they are going to a far better place.
Hitler Bush is truly amazing because most Nazi Americans adore, honor, and worship him. Our nation is following Hitler Bush into hell.
War Is Romantic from a Writer’s Perspective
Kenneth Barr wrote an article, “Romantic? Try Insulting!” Mr. Barr was in the military for at least ten years but he never found himself in harm’s way and so he finds it difficult to say that a person should go to war or try to describe what actual war is.
Hitler Bush spoke to the troops in Afghanistan and he said that war is a romantic experience. Mr. Barr found Hitler Bush’s words very insulting because Hitler Bush did everything he could to avoid going to Vietnam. Mr. Barr has also said that Hitler Bush’s statement to the troops is galling hypocrisy.
Mr. Barr has also said that a person should never describe what the person has never experienced because there is no first hand knowledge of actual combat. If a person is honest with himself or herself, he or she will see war as a living hell. For someone to say that war is a romantic experience is not just insulting but very troubling to a person of normal intelligence.
In another article Hitler Bush says to the troops that he is envious of them in Afghanistan and their fighting for democracy. He also says that if he was younger, he would be there fighting with them. Hitler Bush let the troops know that confronting danger can be exciting and romantic. Here is the number one chicken hawk with Hitler Cheney a close second telling the troops that war is exciting and romantic.
Hitler Bush’s comments make me puke. I have a barf bucket and two beach towels with me at all times, especially if I am in the home. There are times that Hitler Bush’s comments make me puke everyday and at times the puking is a torrential flow. Sometimes I am so puked out that dry heaves takes over when the torrential flow is drying up. Yes, it is true that Hitler Bush makes me puke.
#37
For some reason there is a duplicate post. Please excuse the error on my part!
#38
Author says that Obama never considered diplomacy with Afghanistan.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Obama-Never-Considered-Dip-by-Sherwood-...
#39
We are screwed again!!!!!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/The-Devastating-Consequenc-by-shamus-...
#40
We are screwed again and again and again!!!!!
Do not expect Obama to save us!!!!!
In order for Obama to be elected president did he make a pact with the devil?????
#41
Here are some words from the expanded report of the above article!
Trillions of dollars, trillions of our money, of our tax money — the money that comes out of your paycheck every week of your working life, all the thousands upon thousands that have been taken away from you and your family and are supposed to fund our government and keep our society functioning — have been handed over to the economic elite, to the Llyod Blankfeins and Jamie Dimons of the world.
Hank Paulson and his confidant Tim Geitner, the Goldman Sachs wonder twins, have looted the US treasury. There has been an economic coup in the United States!
Trillions of our dollars have vanished! You need to understand this!
We have just witnessed the greatest theft of wealth in history, the greatest transfer of wealth from the working class to the economic elite ever. An organized banking cartel has seized the US treasury and they are making up the “laws” and the rules to this rigged game. The covert economy has grown at a staggering rate due to taxpayer-funded injections. As a result of this, economic shackles are just beginning to fall upon the American public like never before. 99% of our nation is now sentenced to a slow death.
Just as economic hit men have done to governments throughout the globe, they have gained complete control of the US government and have now shackled US citizens as well. The economic elite do not want to deal with “spoiled Americans” anymore, that’s how they see it. To them the middle class was always an annoying nuisance to be tolerated so the economy could keep functioning well enough to allow their scams to perpetuate. But once their scam known as the US stock market came crashing down, and they were threatened with losing their ultimate power, they turned to the US middle class and opened fire. “Enough with you, we are taking over your government and stealing your tax money!”
This is exactly what happened!
The economic elite are operating under the belief that the world is theirs, they own it, and to hell with everyone else. They also take the view that as the environment grows more destructive, they don’t want us around to compete for resources.
#42
Common persons are being driven off the cliff.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.smith27nov27,0,5153...
#43
Here are the last five paragraphs from the above article.
It's always a mistake to presume certain knowledge of the future. We can only guess at how events play out over time. Think, however, of what the ancient Chinese sage Sun Tzu said about how "no nation has ever benefited from a long war."
A few weeks ago, I mentioned that longtime American diplomat and former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger said on television that the Afghanistan experience is shaping up as startlingly similar to what happened to us in Vietnam; that it looks like a quagmire, yet he sees the way to avoid being mired yet again.
Trying to understand this determination to stay the course no matter how unlikely the prospect of success, it might help to turn to a quip from one expert on Afghanistan, Rory Stewart, who heads the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy at Harvard and has been consulted by several members of the Obama administration on what to do there. He has testified before Congress on Afghan policies, but wonders how much affect he's having.
As quoted in Matthew Yglesias' blog, Mr. Stewart says, "It's like they're coming in and saying to you, 'I'm going to drive my car off a cliff. Should I or should I not wear a seat belt?' And you say, 'I don't think you should drive your car off the cliff.' And they say, 'No, no, that bit's already been decided - the question is whether to wear a seat belt.' And you say, 'Well, you might as well wear a seat belt.' And then they say, 'We've consulted with policy expert Rory Stewart and he says …'"
It seems insane, doesn't it? We're deep in a debt pit and digging ourselves in ever deeper, soothed by the conceit that America is too big to fail, even though all previous world hegemons have in the end failed. We think of ourselves as an exception to that historical record, but chances are we're not.
#44
If fascist-Nazi America is too big to fail, then it is too big to exist.
#45
I do not know how effective the Nazi progressives will be in silencing my comments and posts. If they are successful, this comment and post may be my last one.
Here is what I want to leave for you as a memory of me.
#46
Thom did riff about Umberto Eco's fourteen points of fascism. Transcript at http://www.thomhartmann.com/2007/01/30/transcript-3-branches-of-governme...
#47
Then there's “Give Me Liberty: A Handbook for American Revolutionaries“, by Naomi Wolf in which she lists the ten steps to fascism:
1.Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2.Create a gulag
3.Develop a thug caste
4.Set up an internal surveillance system
5.Harass citizens’ groups
6.Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7.Target key individuals
8.Control the press
9.Dissent equals treason
10.Suspend the rule of law.
#48
"What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists, is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. . . The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents." . . . ~ Robert F. Kennedy
#49
Does anyone know why we are not having war protests against the war in Afghanistan? Shouldn't we be protesting Obama's decision to send in more troops as diligently as we protested the war in Iraq? Is it possible that part of the reason health care reform is moving so slowly is to distract progressives from fighting the war in Afghanistan? What should we do to effectively protest now?
#50
Gerald,
You quoted Matthew Yglesias’ blog, " Mr. Stewart says, “It’s like they’re coming in and saying to you, ‘I’m going to drive my car off a cliff. Should I or should I not wear a seat belt?’ And you say, ‘I don’t think you should drive your car off the cliff.’ And they say, ‘No, no, that bit’s already been decided – the question is whether to wear a seat belt.’ And you say, ‘Well, you might as well wear a seat belt.’ And then they say, ‘We’ve consulted with policy expert Rory Stewart and he says …’”
That's such a great analogy and sums it up perfectly.
I am having a similar experience when talking with progressives about starting war protests. Liberals I love and respect are telling me that it's too late to do anything now. Of-course that's not true, but it sure does feel as if we have spent so very much time writing letters to congressmen about health care when we should have been spending an equal amount of time letting it be known how against this war we are.
It feels like we are starting all over again and its hard to know where to begin.
Thom has kept up his passionate pleas and warnings about Afghanistan.
I think part of the problem is that we have consistently been asked by President Obama and members of congress to participate in the health care debate but we have not in any way been asked our opinion about sending more troops to Afghanistan. I am feeling a little duped and wondering what to do next.
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