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mstaggerlee (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#1

@Nels - "Buy American" would be nice ... but "HIRE American" would be MUCH better! :)

Charles (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#2

mstaggerlee January 28th, 2010, 10:59 am

@Nels – “Buy American” would be nice … but “HIRE American” would be MUCH better!

The former cannot happen without the latter.

mstaggerlee (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#3

@Charles - Apparently, the Rethuglican's have DIFFERENT standards for honesty, depending upon the speaker. The standard is almost impossibly high if a Democrat is speaking, but if one of their own is talking, the standard is "if FOX viewers will believe it, then it's true."

Nels (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#4

Thomas, my last sentence may seem contradictory. But if these conditions were to be existent in the foreign countries that dump cheap goods in our market, then the fact of the matter is, they wouldn't have cheap good to dump on our market. Their cost of labor would pretty much match ours, and then on top of that shipping would drive their products price up above the same quality of products that could be produced and sold here.

In essence I'm calling for fair trade over free trade. If we can't get these countries to treat their workers fairly, and environment safely, then counter their low overhead with tariffs. Then as far as me buying a $100 dollar pair of sneakers made in China, or made in America will be more of a decision based on my feelings about the design of the shoes, not if I can afford one easier than the other. Does that make sense now?

DDay (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#5

Hey Quark!

It ain't your fault...I inspire prickly...

mstaggerlee (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#6

rewinn - Computers and Cellphones used by the military!!?? What about the single-sourced, foreign made components used in Military aircraft, navigation systems, targeting systems, missles and bombs??!!

Not that I'm a big fan of missles and/or bombs, but we're obviously not gonna stop making them any time soon, so for the sake of national seciurity, shouldn't we at least be able to build our weapons from solely domestic components?

Charles (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#7

How many of these Republicans and ConservaDems were voted for by people sporting bumper stickers encouraging us to "Buy American"?

The Church Lady (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#8

@Nels

Hold on here young man. There is still hope. Everyone knows that the vikings raped and pillaged the Irish repeatedly. Chances are with a name like Nels, and given your heritage, that you are really a Scandahoovian and don't know it. The Church Lady still has hope...How do you feel about older women? When you ask me to let it "slide" I get all ecumenical.

Travis (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#9

Wow. I'm shocked that Thom thinks that it was a good speech. I thought it was sneaky and deceptive. For those just listening - it was a campaign style speech. For those that have been waiting to know the President's stand, it was a series of unspoken answers to those progressive concerns and all of them were negative. Strictly status quo and a continuation of every Republican policy.

He even threw in nuclear, mythical clean coal, and expanded off-shore drilling. McCain's energy policy. No mention any longer of the "smart grid" either.

Combat troops coming home from Iraq, but what about "peace keepers" and contractors and of course Afghanistan is full speed ahead.

"strengthen or trade policies with Asia" - means no amendments, no tariffs, and continued out sourcing, no?

Double our exports? Weapons? Products American companies make abroad? Exported jobs? More of our natural resources?

The mention of agriculture suggested to me that the President has reversed his position on agricultural subsidies or even plans to expand them. Go Big Agriculture!

Every item seemed to have an unspoken, parenthetical "business as usual" in terms of existing policies or was abstract set in some future world.

Green Jobs, but no change in the fact stimulus will continue to enrich Chinese Wind Turbines or Spanish owned Solar farms ("the California Company")

It goes on an on..

Charles (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#10

A common scene in '08 was the Ford pickup with these two bumper stickers:

"Do you still have a job? Buy American" next to "McCain/Palin"

Perfect example of the uninformed voter.

Nels (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#11

Church Lady, I do have Scandinavian blood, English, French... well lets just say I'm pretty much a European mutt, bloodlines in my family go back pre-revolution days.

However, I'm named after my Grandfather, who adopted my dad. My Granddad was an actual immigrant from Hammerfest Norway though if that titillates you. Although I doubt its meant to be between us, for I'm a married man, and not given to cheatin'. (She's way to good of a woman to do that to, she not only cooks, but loves to play video games with me). Side note, I have no problems being attracted to older women, younger women, well age matters not to me... other things do, but age is really meaningless to me.

Charles (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#12

Quark

Since "the proof of the pudding is in the eating", I think its time we take out our spoons.

Quark (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#13

Charles,

Yum! :-)

Charles (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#14

Felt we needed to get back on topic. Nels and Church Lady were getting a little to cozy.

The Church Lady (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#15

@ Nels

The Church Lady didn't ask for your life story and she doesn't go in for any kind of tittylation either! She is a natural woman who is satisfied with what god gave her. What would you say to a hike along the Appalachian Trail?

D.Silva (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#16

Nels = European-American
D.Silva = Mexican-American
Obama = African/European-American

Anyone living on a reservation = American

I feel like a Brother P-Touch label maker.

DDay (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#17

@ D. Silva

You forgot Quark= Sub Atomic Particle.

Nels (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#18

I don't know Church Lady, those Appalachian Trails seem to lead down way down below into the Southern Hemisphere, I really can't go there.

Sorry, D.Silva, I am what I am. In truth I much prefer to think of myself as a Southern Californian, its where I've been born and raised.

Sorry Charles, what was the topic again?

Quark (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#19

DDay,

LOL!

DDay (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#20

We are all proud of you Nels. You handled that well. This is getting to be a strange place. We should try and fix up The Church Lady with Gerald.

Charles (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#21

Oh heck, I last track myself.

Charles (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#22

lost not last

Sometimes the fingers have a mind of their own

The Church Lady (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#23

@ Charles
re: Oh Heck

Watch your language Buster. Tell me more about those fingers though. Are you perhaps from Finland or Denmark?

Nels (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#24

If this keeps up, Thom might be able to make some extra cash starting a Thom Hartmann Listeners dating site.

Might create more American Jobs (unless Thom decides to outsource the website to India.)

Nels (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#25

Well I got's to go y'all. Got computers that need tending to. Have a good day.

DDay (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#26

I am laughing my a_ _ off. I hope she doesn't fix on me though.

rewinn (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#27

@Travis - while I track a lot of your concerns, I hope you will consider James Hansen's strong arguments in "Storms of My Grandchildren" in favor of nuclear breeder reactors (that convert existing stocks of nuclear waste into much smaller piles of waste, generating electricity along the way.) We need to stop putting carbon into our air and in fact suck gigatons out of it, so every use of coal etc needs to stop. And there's just not enough other sources gonna come online in the next decades without breeder reactors ... not when you factor in the 2 or 3 billion new people coming along, and all of them wanting to use as much electricity as we do.

A planet with one Chernobyl every 40 years will sustain human life much better than a nuclear free Venus Earth. And Chernobyl wouldn't have been serious had it had a containment vessel.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#28

@Nels

"I don’t know Church Lady, those Appalachian Trails seem to lead down way down below into the Southern Hemisphere, I really can’t go there."

Aw, come on, Nels, take a stroll down below into the southern hemisphere with Church Lady. You both might find your salvation.

"I wanted to be a philosopher, but I couldn't pass the metaphysical."
- harry ashburn

John (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#29

Obama can talk the talk but we need to see Obama WALK the WALK.

That means ACTING FOR the left.

Oh my gosh acting for the left?

I say yes because this is about NEGOTIATION and FRAMING the debate.

Where was Bush's debate for 8 years? Iraq Afghanistan destroying habeus corpus for American citizens privatizing everything for corporations etc...

This is about establishing, defining, and framing the debate for the authority of the will of the American PEOPLE.

To move the country to "the center" Obama needs to move negotiate and frame the debate FROM the LEFT. Otherwise? If Obama just moves to the center? Then Obama is really just moving to a "lesser than extreme right" that is not left or center. The left and the American people lose. Why? Because NEOCONS have driven the government to the extreme corporate right.

Obama needs to frame the debate and act with all intelligence on "We the People"'s AUTHORITY in? Direct contrast to corporate authority. And the majority of the country would be behind him.

If there is going to be a "cult" to directly contrast the corrupt corporate cult then Obama needs to create new words and new definitions.

NEW PHRASE "We the People's AUTHORITY" instead of "Governement authority". Why "We the People"? Because "people" used in nearly any other phrase has been defined and demonized as socialist.(People's Republic of China, etc..) Also? "We the People" should be used in place of "government" why? Again Because "governement" used in nearly any other phrase has been defined and demonized as socialist.

Flip it on neocons. If they dare attack "WE THE PEOPLE"'s AUTHORITY"? Then they are attacking the will of the American people.

John

John (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#30

Has anyone noticed the similar facial features between Timothy Mcveigh and Okeffe?

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
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Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#32

Thom had on his show a guest who gave his account on twenty-three minutes in hell. Thom asked some good questions and the guest was able to answer his questions and he did a good job.

Yes, God is merciful but God has given all of us a free will. We pick our destination and we are held accountable for the consequences of our choices. God desires for all of us to be with Him in heaven with the communion of saints.

What is so amazing about the Christianity is that God came to earth in a human form. God also died for our sins so that heaven could be open to us after our death.

I want to share with you an amazing book, “The Cost of Discipleship” by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Mr. Bonhoeffer was a Lutheran minister who was killed by the Germans toward the end of World War II for speaking out against Germany. Mr. Bonhoeffer has said to be a disciple of Jesus we must be willing to die for Jesus. We are all born to be saints. We must strive to remain with God or near God. As we grow older we tend to distance ourselves from God. If we were to die away from God, our souls would not be saved.

God knows that we are imperfect human beings. We are sinners. What God wants from us is that we persevere to the very end of our life. If God believes that we have tried to be with Him or near Him we can be saved and be with Him in heaven.

I say a prayer from time to time that focuses on God being merciful on the Last Judgment Day. Every soul will enter heaven. Will this be a possibility, I cannot say. God is quite explicit about the destiny after death. It is either heaven or hell. He can change His mind but will He?

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
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Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#34
Loretta (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#35

I don't know if God exists or not, but if he does, I bet he won't let us into heaven if we spend our whole life being self-righteous instead of spending lots of time enjoying this incredible planet he gave us to live on. If we live a dogmatic self-righteous existence, he won't let us into heaven because he'll say we're too damn dumb and wouldn't be able to enjoy heaven, either. Part of saving the planet is making sure you get others to appreciate it by enjoying its beauty. We need to get off these computers and take Thom's program on our headsets out into the woods for a hike! Who wants to meet me in Forest Park?

John (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#36

Thom is correct I think about the negative campaigning by neocons trying to make people give up andless people showing up to vote.

However, I thunk it is mulitifaceted. I think the negative "language"(propaganda) constantly vomited off of Fox news and other corporate Reich wing media is about pushing and keeping the debate to past and thru the extreme right wing,

Look at the wars and the "debate" from the Bush admin. We are still living and suffering that debated wars.

It is time for Obama to establish the cult of "we the people". Upon that egde of the sword will we unravel and destroy the corporate cult VERBALLY and hopefully nonviolently. But that does not mean inaction. Words without action is nearly no action whatsoever.

John

John (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#37

Thom is correct I think about the negative campaigning by neocons trying to make people give up andless people showing up to vote.

However, I think it is mulitifaceted. I think the negative "language"(propaganda) constantly vomited off of Fox news and other corporate Reich wing media is about pushing and keeping the debate to past and thru the extreme right wing,

Look at the wars and the "debate" from the Bush admin. We are still living and suffering that debated wars.

It is time for Obama to establish the cult of "we the people". Upon that egde of the sword will we unravel and destroy the corporate cult VERBALLY and hopefully nonviolently. But that does not mean inaction. Words without action is nearly no action whatsoever.

John

The Church Lady (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#38

The Church Lady has her eye on Harry Ashburn. She senses a spiritual connection.

Ben (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#39

If corporations are people, then are the owners of corporations slave owners because they own people?

John (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#40

The corporate cult is the secret I believe to unraveling the neocon agenda.

Understanding the how to debunk cults is necessary(Lifton-brainwashing/cult mind control/influence).

I have seen and grew up with a false neocon cult church. I tell you the reason they do not make sense is because the have a neocon cult leader posing as an "unquestionable" "highly authoritarian"(well schooled in Greek Aramaic and Hebrew) pastor DICTATING WITH "ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY" in what they think is "God's truth". REGARDLESS of reason or morality. But it is not "God's truth". It is bible verses twisted and taken out of context FOR the CORPORATE NEOCON AGENDA.

In which? The neocon pastor created new terminology to create an insider/outsider us vs them language and mentality.

This is neocon church/militant cult caused major division within christianity in the US Austrailia and England and other countries.

The cult leader was very persuasive and reduced "listeners" to little more than neocon voting robots.

I have been fighting this alone since the early 70s and thought I was the only one of few. Then? Bush attacked Iraq(which is what was "indoctrinated" in the 1970s. Bush declared axis of evil Iran/Iraq/Syria. That was straight from the neocon christian pulpit.

I say this as a warning. These neocons are "good faith terminators"" that's all they do" "they take your faith reinterpret with the neocon version of christianity and rip your heart, soul, and human conscience right out of your faith"

That is why you cannot "make sense" with neocons, because in neocon faith there is no room for "human common sense".

That is a sick mentality. Some hide it better than others.

Geroge Sodini (mass murderer) was a product of this indoctrination although he attended a sister church.

We are dealing with for a large part literally psycopathic indoctrinated zombies for a corporate agenda.

Since they are a cult that makes them vulnerable to other cult ideologies. I say get in their face and fight with the authority of the cult of "we the people". Redefine the language according to "we the people".

I wish it was better circumstances but I saw what we are living today in the 1970s, because it was "taught" from the pulpit. Now everyone sees it. I tell you if we and Obama do not make a populist stand fight and by movement I mean MOVE with ACTION this country to the left then? we will all be living in tents lucky to get 1 can of soup a day for our families.

John

John (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#41

It is no big news that Bush was wrong, but actually Al Qaeda is a "cult" of Islam. The same happens in Judaism Christianity Buddhism. But true Islam is a religion of peace it is the militant imperial cult that takes the Koran out of context for an extremist militant view. So counseling Islam with the "truth" actually would reduce Islamic radical terrorists because they would realize that they are in a false cult.

John

rewinn (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#42

Hey look - the Brits are having an Iraq Inquiry:
http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/blogs/iraq-inquiry-blog/

Why can't we?

They're getting THEIR warmongering wanker to admit he was gonna start a war regardless of the evidence; why can't we do the same?

Charles (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#43

Ben

I don't see the corporations as owning slaves. Instead, the 14th Amendment ended the idea that a person could not be treated as whole. A freeborn person of color or freed slave could no longer be treated as 3/5 of a person. That being said, a person cannot be portioned so the natural conclusion is corporations cannot exist as a person on the grounds that is can be broken up into portions (stocks). If a person needs to be considered whole, then the stockholders would be the slave owners.

John (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#44

Oh yeah when Sodini opened up with a .45 and a 9mm killed 3 women and wounded more at a gym in Pittsburgh, he was reported to have shouted "I hate feminists!".

These people are sick and they indoctrinate the vulnerable (children, adults in hard times, etc...) with extreme sick ideology.

That church and sister churches are spreading like cancer into other churches as the cult leader "designed" an imperial neocon indoctrination of any and all churches in the USA.

That was the design but I fought it. I proved him wrong, but there hundreds of thousands of his tapes out there designed to "breakdown" and "rebuild" through indoctrination all churches into the neocon coporate MIC agenda with a neocon dictator like Bush Cheney.

They will be back.

John

Charles (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#45

Darn, should have said:

Instead, the 14th Amendment ended the idea that a person could not be treated as "fractions".

Those free thinking fingers have struck again.

Charles (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#46

No. The first statement is correct.

ended the idea that a person could not be treated as whole

Ben (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#47

Charles, I was not implying that corportations own slaves, but that the owners of the corporations themselves are the slave owners because they own a (corporate) person.

Ben

Charles (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#48

Ben

We are in agreement. I was adding some texture to your original question.

The Church Lady (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#49

I would like to apologize to all you nice young people. The Church Lady is mortified at her unseemly behavior during yesterday's Blog roll. She knows you'll understand how easy it is to mistake ones stash of viagra for their daily prozac, especially after scarfing down a handful of ambien, what with all the unsettling political developments lately. She suspects many of you have made the exact same booboo.

She assures all her friends that this will in no way impact on her pursuit of inner fulfillment, or her God-given abilities, including being able to suck start a Harley. :-o

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 27 weeks ago
#50

Why are almost all the "because I got high" segments about alcohol abuse...?

High seems to represent cannabis, I thought, but maybe I was high.

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