Daily Topics - Monday May 3rd 2010 - The Birthers, Oil Spills and Corporate Personhood...Oh My!

Hour One: Gulf oil spill blows up seafood industry...("how's that de-regulation thing working out for you?????") Attorney Mike Papantonio talks to Thom about lawsuit he filed for damages to the vulnerable seafood industry www.ringoffireradio.com

Plus..“The Black Eagle” - Joe Madison www.joemadison.com - Alpha dumps AZ for conference over new immigration law

Hour Two: Birthers plan to storm Washington for march on "Obama birth certificate" and "Obamacare"...really?! Thom confronts conservative attorney Philip J. Berg about the "birther movement"

Hour Three: Is Congress fighting back against corporate personhood the right way? Thom speaks with progressive activist Bob Fertik www.democrats.com

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gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#1

Thom's three topics for today's show highlights three issues of many issues that gives insight into what is wrong with the United States of Hell. This first decade in the Twenty-first Century may well be the norm for the entire century. We are truly living in disgusting times.

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gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#3

Please educate yourself to the true America!!!

http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=111126

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gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#4

What a crock of crap!!! Will Israel be included as well???

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/02/us-poised-to-join-push-for-nuke-free-mideast/

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gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#5

Here is an article from one of my favorite writers.

http://original.antiwar.com/avnery/2010/05/02/a-cloud-over-jerusalem/

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gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#6

While I was reading Uri Avnery's article, I could not help but believe that the United States and Israel have an everlasting symbiotic relationship.

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gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#7

United States and Israel are birds of a feather flocking together!!!

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moonb 10 years 20 weeks ago
#8

"Man is a religious animal. He is the only animal that has the true religion--several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his ideology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to heaven....The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out of the Hereafter.I wonder why? It seems questionable taste." Mark Twain

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moonb 10 years 20 weeks ago
#9

"I regret that I'm now to die in the belief, that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776, to aquire self-government and happiness to their country, is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be, that I live not to weep over it." Thomas Jefferson

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moonb 10 years 20 weeks ago
#10

There have been many rebels who have chosen to defy their gods. Without this option there can be no true devotion to a holy concept. For devotion is only valuable when a conscious decision is made to follow that course, even in acknowledgement of the difficulties ahead. Choosing to be a devout person is good. Choosing to defy the gods is also good, for it reaffirms the basic ability of human beings to make choices. We cannot support religions which say that there are no choices.From daily meditations by Deng Ming-Dao 1992

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moonb 10 years 20 weeks ago
#11

Israel has violated more UN resolutions than Iraq did leading up to the invasion by the United States to try and seize their oil.The mighty might of the US military will not invade Israel because their god was not that smart. He led his chosen people to one of the only places in the middle east that has no oil. The current leadership of Israel are genocidal maniacs. One would think that the Christian world would be upset with their behavior. Wasn't Mary, the mother of Jesus, a Palestinian virgin?

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Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#12

I'm wondering if anyone here can give statistics on Arizona's working policies on businesses that employee illegal aliens. I mean, are they even close to being as remotely concerned about people hiring illegal aliens, or are they just full of it?

(I'm guessing the latter)

If they're not clamping down on businesses, why aren't officials (such as the Gov), being asked these questions? Media too liberal to care?

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gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#13

The Essential Wisdom of the Saints

This weekend, May 1 and 2, 2010, gave us at the Gospel reading, Jesus’ Eleventh Commandment – Love one another as I have loved you. To be a disciple of Jesus we are called to love one another.

As a side note on Mat 2, 2010 at 3 PM our church had an organ recital. We had the blessing of the organ and Dr. David Wagner was the guest recitalist. He holds a Doctor’s degree in Music from the University of Michigan and he is a renowned organist and harpsichordist with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra.

My wife was sent a book from one of her sisters. The title is, “The Essential Wisdom of the Saints.” The book was edited by Carol Kelly-Gangi. In the book there are many quotations from the saints that can be applied today. I will share some quotations and I will try to relate these quotations to our present day.

“He who desires nothing but God is rich and happy.” - St. Alphonsus Liguori! Our possessions cannot make us happy. Only God can give us everlasting happiness.

“At last I have found my calling! My calling is love!” – St. Therese Lisieux! I will second that quotation. We must love God’s children and we are not called to kill His children.

“God is served only when He is served according to His will.” – St. Padre Pio! We must come to understand what is God’s will? I believe that the Holy Bible makes it clear to the world the will of God.

“One must see God in everyone.” – St. Catherine Laboure! If we saw God in everyone, there would be no need to kill His children.

“Be not anxious about what you have, but about what you are.” – St. Gregory the Great! From my view I see Americans as mass murderers and so we are nothing.

“Penance is the purifier of the soul.” – St. Elizabeth Ann Seton! With our endless killing of God’s children we will require eternal penance in order to purify our souls.

“No one heals himself by wounding another.” – St. Ambrose of Milan! When you kill another human being, you are destroying a part of yourself forever.

“One should not wish to become a saint in four days but step by step.” – St. Philip Neri! The path to sainthood is not an easy one.

“Here is a rule for everyday life: Do not do anything which you cannot offer to God.” – St. John Vianney! Is the killing of His children a good offering to God?

When we die with perseverance to do God’s will, we can look upon death and remember the words of St. Maria Maravillas de Jesus – “Death in no more than falling blindly into the arms of God.”

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Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#14

Does giving these corporations the "Death Penalty" do anything to clean up the mess they made? I think not. I think the appropriate sentence would be to have them sentenced to a "Corporate Life" sentence of hard labor... cleaning up the mess they made. Let the corporate CEO, go down to the beaches and start scrubbing.

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Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#15

Here's another issue, Thom's pointing out at the moment, if the government has allowed simple safety devices to be "optional". To what extent do we hold our government responsible, for as much as BP/Halliburton etc... is pissing me off, in the North Atlantic these companies make a far better effort to be safe... because they are required to.

The recent mining accidents, same issue, the companies use loopholes that essentially brings the bottomline vs. safety into a very real competition, and the companies back the bottomline every time. Profits first.

Ultimately by trying to hold companies responsible for our lack of responsible governing does no one any good. We must be clamouring for enforced regulations. (Killing the fossil fuel industry would be nice too).

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Yellowbird7 10 years 20 weeks ago
#16

Supreme Court Gone Paranoid

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/03/AR201005...

The Supreme Court is permanently closing its massive, bronze front doors to the public, citing security risks.

The court announced Monday that visitors to the high court will no longer climb the 44 marble steps that lead to its great hall and courtroom, and cross the threshold under the famous words "Equal Justice Under Law." Instead, visitors will enter the building on the plaza level for security checks. They still may exit the building through the front doors.

"The new entrance, which will serve as the primary means for public entry, was designed in light of findings and recommendations from two independent security studies conducted in 2001 and 2009," the court said in a news release. "The entrance provides a secure, reinforced area to screen for weapons, explosives, and chemical and biological hazards."

The new procedures begin Tuesday.

The rest of the story is at the link.

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rladlof 10 years 20 weeks ago
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harry ashburn 10 years 20 weeks ago
#18

@Yellow Bird: has the Court covered-up any bare breasts in the building?

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rladlof 10 years 20 weeks ago
#19

@Moonbat666: The majority of the resolutions that Israel has 'violated' basically say that Israel has no right to defend itself or even exist . . .

harry ashburn 10 years 20 weeks ago
#20

Can you imagine the Secretary of State of Texas saying "no" to an oil company?

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Yellowbird7 10 years 20 weeks ago
#21

Kennedy Center Accepts Money from DeVos Foundation

I think I am going to scream. I can't believe the Kennedy Center would accept the filthy money of this filthy man.

Wiki the father of Blackwater: (need I say more? There's a LOT more)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_DeVos     

Story here:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/03/22-5-million-gift-for-kenne...

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LeMoyne 10 years 20 weeks ago
#22

Allow me to put the $500,000 cost of the remote safety valve control in perspective....

BP PLC, Europe's second-largest oil company, said [April 2010] that first-quarter profit more than doubled from a year earlier to $6.1 billion due to higher crude prices and lower production costs and taxes.

5,000,000 / 6,100,000,000 = 8.2(10^-5), so... The cost of the sonic control valve is 82 parts per million of one quarter's profits for BP - 8 thousandths of one percent. Out of every $1000 dollars of profit the cost would be less than a dime.

At the very best a few percent of the oil will be cleaned up. Any desirable and unused solar patent that BP is sitting on (and there are many) - these patents should be seized and placed in the public domain as repayment to the entire US for this toxic spill that will pollute the entire eastern half of the Gulf Coast.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#23

LeMoyne, that's an idea I can back, seizure of company patents. I like it, I like it a lot.

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Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#24

In fact, I think there should be a sort of statute of limitations imposed on all patents. One that states that if a company registers a patent and then does not put the product into "substantial" production within 5 years, the patent is turned over to public domain. Too many good ideas and patents are stored under lock in key because the company that holds the patent knows the innovation would more than likely kill their company. I say death to the retardation of innovation.

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gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#25

Thom had a great first hour guest.

If I Was President

This is an open letter on If I Was President.

  1. I would carry on more dialogue and less talk of shock and awe bombings or nuclear destructions.
  2. I would see to it that our troops would have the equipment to fight a war but I would not start a war. Loved ones would have decent housing, schools, and recreational area.

Our troops would be well paid and if they are killed or maimed their loved

ones would receive full military pay of their husbands. If they had children money would set aside for financial aid to go to college or a trade school until the sons and/or daughters were 25 years old. Medical plan would the same as the Congressional medical plan or even better.

Every time Congress receives an increase in salary, the minimum wage would increase and so would the increase in soldiers’ salaries or for their loved ones if the soldier was killed or maimed in the military service.

I would have a mothers’ committee of no more than twenty mothers to give recommendations about going to war or not going to war.

  1. I would have Cindy Sheehan and Karen Kwiatkowski in my cabinet as Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense respectively.
  2. I would eliminate the Supreme Court because they are irrelevant. States have their Supreme Court and they are closer to the people; plus, the justices have to run for an elected position.
  3. Congress would be given more say in passing laws.
  4. I would tax the rich more because they have the most to lose.
  5. If the military draft would be reinstated, the sons and daughters of the rich would be drafted first.
  6. All athletic contests would be stopped in time of war because overpriced athletes should also sacrifice.
  7. I would eliminate financial television and radio stations in time of war because I have heard too much talk about is war good for the economy?
  8. The Supreme Court building would be renovated into a museum for the holocaust victims of Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine.
  9. I would match the money that is given to Israel with Arab countries but not Saudi Arabia.
  10. I would eliminate offshore tax shelters for the rich and for corporations.
  11. I would tax religious organizations like those of Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, and Dobson.
  12. Corporations with rigged electronic voting machines would be tried for treason.
  13. I would work closely with countries and governments so they would improve the quality of life for all their citizens.
  14. CEO salaries would be similar to the CEO salaries in Japan.

*Our beautiful environment will be protected and a quality education will be available for all students, K-12 grades. Higher education and trade schools will be affordable for all students.

*Employers who hire illegal immigrants would be heavily fined, such as $250,000 per illegal immigrant. Employers would also receive a jail sentence of one year per illegal immigrant.

* I would put Christ back into the word, Christianity. I would not be afraid to say the word Jesus because it might offend someone. People who came to the White House during Christmas would be able to see the Christ child in plain view and not given an obscure setting. Our soldiers in Saudi Arabia would be permitted to show the Cross on Saudi soil.

  1. I would encourage Israel to be the Light to the World. I would also encourage the Palestinians to work closely with Israel because they could transform their land in a similar way to be beautiful. I would also hope that Lebanon could again be the Paris of the Middle East.
  2. I would help to end America’s perpetual nightmares and I would help America dream again of love, mercy, justice, and peace.

These are some things that I would do If I Was President.

harry ashburn 10 years 20 weeks ago
#26

@So gerald, what would you do if you WERE president?

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moonb 10 years 20 weeks ago
#27

@rladlof Israel's genocide is not a defense of their right to exist. I personnley have a problem with their un-shared claim of Jerusalem.

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Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#28

@gerald, if you were president, just how would you enact these desires? US Presidents are not Kings, Popes or Dicatators, they don't get to just proclaim "This is my will and my will be done".

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Anniep 10 years 20 weeks ago
#29

Will someone ask one of these birthers...who by the way accept NO evidence to the contrary of their opinion...if they've found Obama's mother's passport when she left Hawaii to go to Kenya? I'm sure a FOIA request could get that info.

This is obviously so racist. They are saying that no one adopted, whose house was flooded and or burned, who lived in NOLA during Katrina can ever hope to be President. Of course a white candidate would be given free ride.

harry ashburn 10 years 20 weeks ago
#30

re: mccain: He was born in the Panama Canal Zone before there was a Panama Canal Zone; probably before there was a Panama.

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moonb 10 years 20 weeks ago
#31

After witch doctors and shamans had established the illusion that gods had control over life after death, it required only a brief leap of the imagination to extend their power to the ability to grant a life after phisical death. After all, who wants to face nonexistence. Faced with a decomposing body and a promised life after death, withdoctors soved the conflict by inventing something you couldn't see, a magical soul. No soul has come back from the land of the dead.

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Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#32

Anniep, this birther conspiracy is racist now, but if a white democratic president is elected, I do not doubt that this and similar tactics would not be off limits. I'm just saying it's more than just racism, its desperate actions committed by a desperate party ideology.

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Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#33

moonbat666 ah your forgetting about Sisyphus. Of course Hades really punished him for his outrage.

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gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#34

@Maxrot, good thought! Maxrot, I would declare martial law and start our hell-hole nation anew!!!

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mstaggerlee 10 years 20 weeks ago
#35

@Nels/LeMoyne - I'm also on board with this - perhaps 5 years is not enough time - I suspect 20 years might be more reasonable. Or perhaps the period should be different, depending upon whether the patent rights are held by the original inventor, or by someone who bought (or obtained in some other manner) them from him.

A garage-based entrepreneur who patents an original idea may need considerable time to obtain the resources required to go into any kind of significant production. However, when an oil company obtains a patent for a solar energy device, and keeps it under wraps in order to maintain the status quo that supports their business model, we MUST not allow such a practice to endure in perpetuity.

I beleive the same should apply to copyrights. 20 years is the longest one should be able to profit on a single idea. Make what you can on it in 20 years, and if that's enough to support you for the rest of your life, congratulations. If not, then go have another idea.

This is why I hope and pray that wherever the soul of Senator Sonny Bono (who gave us the Millenium copyright act) may now reside, he's spending all of eternity skiing into that blessed tree!

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moonb 10 years 20 weeks ago
#36

Maxrot I'm still dealing with Ishtar and Tammuz.. Easter wasn't that long ago. Show some mercy.

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Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#37

@mstaggerlee, if a company is actually producing a patented item, I'm OK with them being allowed an extended period of ownership of the item, say up to 50 years; being that a life time expectancy of a human is somewhere around 70 years, and that an inventor would probably be about 20 years of age at least when filing a patent, just putting that as a basis for a reasonable lifetime expectancy for an individual to profit off of a patent. Not unlike the average working life of an individual. My 5 year cutoff was basically putting forth, that if a company/individual, can not show that it's trying to put the product into production (whether or not they are making a profit), then have it released into the public domain. Use it or loose it law.

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gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#38
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Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#39

OK so if my American Mother gave birth to me outside the country while on vacation (lets just say for the sake of argument), does that actually mean I'm not an American Citizen, is the law really setup that way? I find that hard to believe.

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Blue Mark 10 years 20 weeks ago
#40

"Certificate of Live Birth" is what they call birth certificates. I was born in a hospital in Nebraska the same week Obama was born in Hawaii. I was issued a "Certificate of Live Birth" that is nearly identical to the one Obama posted online. That is what you get in a lot of states, including Nebraska and Hawaii.

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Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#41

@Blue Mark, LIAR!!! I can hear your Kenyan accent in your post!!!

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gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
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Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#43

@gerald, so your benevolant rule would begin by extinguishing Democratic rule?

I suppose all citizens would have to attend church on Sundays too, or be shot like animals in the street?

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newtrev 10 years 20 weeks ago
#44

How many People have died in the collapse of a solar farm? How many People have died in an explosion of a windfarm? how many animals have died or habitats have been destroyed by air leaks from the destroyed wind farms? How many tidal power plants have soaked birds in water?

When will people realize that we have to evolve to the next level? imagine if there were corporations back in the stone age - would we still be using flint knives and stone wheels???

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#45

Aother must read article!

http://consortiumnews.com/2010/030810.html

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#46

@Maxrot, drastic changes require drastic measures. Personally, I do not care what people do on Sundays. I choose to go to church on Saturday evening. I share information. People can accept the information or reject the information.

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gerald 10 years 20 weeks ago
#47

@harry ashburn, #25 offers what I would do if I was the president.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#48

@newtrev, silly, of course we wouldn't be using flint knives and stone wheels if corporations existed back in the stone age.

All the flint and stone would have been used up ages ago and made useless.

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mstaggerlee 10 years 20 weeks ago
#49

@Newtrev, re: if there were corporations back in the stone age, would we still be using flint knives and stone wheels?

No, we wouldn't - the corporations that held those patents would still have them locked up in the depths of their cave, as such items might threaten their profits.

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Maxrot 10 years 20 weeks ago
#50

Well gerald, if I was a church goer, I'd pray "Oh Lord please deliver me from the good intentions of people who believe they have all the right answers".

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