Will we finally see a path to citizenship?

On Thursday, the United States Senate approved its so-called comprehensive immigration bill. It is the first significant attempt to fix out broken immigration system in over 25 years, and it includes a long-awaited path to citizenship. Senate Democrats passed the measure with the support of 14 Republicans, and the crowd in the Senate chamber erupted in chants of “Yes we can.”

While many are cheering the bill as a breakthrough in the immigration debate, which has been stalled for years, others are concerned about new border security measures in the proposal. Those provisions – dubbed the “border surge” - include 20,000 new border agents, 700 new miles of fencing, and electronic surveillance of our southern border. The price tag for these increased security measures is nearly $40 billion dollars. Lawmakers also included a 13-year path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, which will be implemented once border security measure are in place.

Some immigration advocates are calling the security provisions extreme and expensive, while others explain that the measures were necessary to gain Republican support. Now that the Senate has approved their version, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives will start working on their own version of immigration reform, which could include even more extreme security measures, and remove any path to citizenship.

Immigration advocates are worried that the House Republicans will purposely include controversial measures, in an effort to doom the bill to failure. Millions of Americans and undocumented immigrants are watching this effort closely, and are remaining hopeful that Congress will finally fix our broken immigration system.

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DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#1

Palindromedary ~ Now, lets get back to Michael Hastings car crash. Where the engine landed and how the car spun isn't too hard to understand. Simply look at the movement of the objects and remember that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The key into understanding the movement of the objects is knowing the location of the bomb. Or, on the other hand, by studying the movement of the objects we can extrapolate the bomb's location. Let's start with the wreckage. Since the passenger side door was intact and the drivers side door was melted it is probably safe to conclude that the bomb was on the drivers side of the car. Since the engine must have had an upwards trajectory to land where it did without leaving skid marks on the ground, the bomb must have been planted below the engine--possibly under the chassis below the drivers seat.

This must have been some powerful explosive. The bomb that took out the car I saw didn't throw anything out of the car except the glass of the windows; yet, it was powerful enough to completely destroy the car. To propel a bolted engine like a cannon ball must have taken something incredibly potent--(ie, C4, or nanothermite. Maybe both.) I'm no expert in explosives, but from what I've read about nanothermite, it wouldn't have been too hard to spray paint it under the chassis; and, the sparks seen from under the car prior to the accident seem congruent with the match detonators that were described in the article you posted recently. Nanothermite would also neatly explain how the drive shaft was neatly sliced in two; as well as, the frame and metal of the car around the drivers seat being completely melted. Do you know if a gas fire is capable of melting metal? I remember the car bombing I saw and only the seats, wiring, and upholstery were destroyed. The glass was shattered; but, other than being blackened, the metal still retained its original shape.

Now the trajectory. Remember, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The bomb is under the drivers seat. When it ignites it blows out evenly on all sides. Because of the trajectory of the engine the car must have been fishtailing slightly to the left upon detonation; unless, the detonation itself was enough to initiate the spinning. The explosion blew the engine sending it arching over the street to the left. Because the bomb was on the left side of the car it sent the car spinning to the left in a counterclockwise direction. The recoil from the expulsion of the engine together with the friction of the sideways spin of the wheels slowed the vehicle down and sent the car off to the left to come to the rest against the tree, at this point, fully engulfed in flames.

There is another potential explanation for the spin. If the same person working the detonator worked the remote control device there would have been several seconds where he let the remote go to arm the detonator. At that moment Michael may have briefly regained control of the vehicle causing it to start fishtailing when he slammed on the brakes and the rear wheels locked.

Now, where would that remote assassin position himself, hmm? Surely he was concerned about hurting innocent people? Perhaps in a nearby building with a view of that street? Maybe a vehicle following the car? Maybe the police car with the cam that the officer seemed too busy to be watching the street ahead? Maybe one of those other emergency vehicles that just seemed to be at the scene a little too soon? They say the best place to hide a secret is in plane view.

One good place to begin is whether or not a gas fire can melt whatever sheet metal a Mercedes door and roof are made of. I bet it can't--just from experience. However, given the information we know I don't have any problem seeing how this incident occurred. Of course, I'm already convinced it was a bomb. Analysing the incident in that light is much easier than trying to explain the official BS story. The simplest answers are usually the right ones.

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MMmmNACHOS 9 years 32 weeks ago
#2

NOOOOOO NOT ANOTHER BUILDING #7!!!Why are we waisting time discussing "to death" a car crash. Don't get me wrong...I don't read/listen to the news like a daily dose of meds...I too question alot of things, but c'mon...You two (DANNEMARC PALINDROMDARY) can't think of anything that's waaaaaaaaaaay more important. Almost all of us on here agree that you can't trust government. We all hope - at least I do - that people like Manning, Hastings, Snowden, Assenge, would have documents (information) that would be released apon their assassination to further expose the corrupt plight of the the U.S. Government and all those involved.

But for now...
How about discussing a path towards a class action law suit against the U.S. Government and the corporations involved for failing to uphold, protect and abide by the U.S. Constitution by breaching our 4th Ammendment Rights.

Now there's a topic...Hopefully it goes further than conspiracy banter.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#3

Palindromedary ~ Concerning using GMO seeds. Who cares? Use what you can get and let nature do the rest. Even growing a GMO seed is better then not growing at all. At least you get your exercise, avoid pesticides, commune with nature, and feed your body and soul something from your own hands. Who cares if the seeds were GMO? When you get down to it everything is a GMO of one sort or another. If man does not modify it, natural selection, solar radiation, gamma rays, and the environment will. It's the pesticides and preservatives that concern me most.

As far as your little number neurosis goes, just be glad we have that 7 minute gap in time that we avoided that would have forced us to stare at 6:66 twice a day. How creepy that would be? I say a little prayer every time the clock says 6:59. Please jump to 7:00, please jump to 7:00, please jump to 7:00. Amen. So far my prayer has always been answered. LMFAOOTF!

Of course if these number demons keep bothering you I might suggest you do what I did a long time ago--get an analogue clock. I have a coo-coo clock. I don't even have to deal with numbers anymore. Every hour the coo-coo bird comes out and says, "coo-coo" "coo-coo" and I know what time it is.

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#4

MMmmNACHOS ~ Come on! Don't be a party poop! You should know by now that Pali and I are just having fun. By the way:

Quote MMmmNACHOS:But for now...

How about discussing a path towards a class action lawsuit against the U.S. Government and the corporations involved for failing to uphold, protect and abide by the U.S. Constitution by breaching our 4th Amendment Rights.

Now there's a topic...Hopefully it goes further than conspiracy banter.

Wow NACHOman! What a brilliant idea! I couldn't have said it better myself. You mean conscript some struggling lawyers who might want some publicity and a shot at making history into conducting a class action lawsuit against the Fed for failure to hold up their oaths of office? I love it! Lets do it!

Palindromedary ~ What do you have to say about that? If I might be so bold to ask?

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#5

Sorry to venture further off topic but I have something to say about the George Zimmerman trial; which I was stuck watching all morning. I have little interest in trivial matters that are none of my business; but, in this trial there is an important lesson to be learned by all. First, I have to admit that from what I saw today, this man is innocent. Secondly, the only reason this tragedy occurred in the first place was because Zimmerman had a gun. Because he had a gun it embolden him into a confrontation with someone that should have been approached by the police only. If he was unarmed I'm sure he would have just called 911 on the "suspect" and stayed in his car at a reasonable distance. Although I am against gun control, I'm also against guns. They cause much more problems than they solve. If George Zimmerman was unarmed that night, Martin would still be alive and probably in jail instead of Zimmerman. Zimmerman himself is lucky to be alive.

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#6

I think that MMnnachos has conjured up yet another "conspiracy theory" (ie: corporations involved for failing to uphold, protect and abide by the U.S. Constitution by breaching our 4th Ammendment Rights.) Aw come on, are you serious? What ever gave you that idea...our very own corporations would do such a thing? Now who do you suppose is going to buy into that crazy idea? ;-}

I suppose it is yet another nut-wing job conspiracy theory that our NSA is spying on all of us. The EU doesn't think it is a crazy conspiracy theory. Michael Hastings didn't buy into crazy conspiracy theories.

You know if you really bought in to what really happened on 9/11...the fact that buildings don't collapse like that at near free fall speeds unless the lower supporting structure is removed... then you would not try to diminish it's importance in understanding what is really going on now.

It is all a cold hard fact of physics...you know...science... that any resistance to free-fall (such as what would happen with intact supporting structures) would prevent free-fall speed. The supporting structure would have had to be removed for what you and I saw on 9/11 when those building collapsed. They were demolished with explosives..including nanothermite.

And until you all come to realize just how murderous and treasonous those "insiders" were (the only ones who could have really pulled this all off) nothing else really matters. You are likely to buy into anything the authorities tell you. You might even continue to believe that there is hope that we can change things by some civil method.

What would people really do...how would they react...if they all came to realize that those authorities, who we have all trusted to protect us, actually slaughtered all those innocent American civilians working in tall buildings and flying in those planes for the purpose of scaring Americans out of their freedoms...putting them all into a state of shock and fear to such an extent they won't even question the lies of 9/11...to the extent of what they are doing to our economy...to our lives and very well-being?

They are not through with us yet...there's lots more to come. You all will wish you were living in Nazi Germany compared to what is in store for Americans. All because you have swallowed the lies of the authorities and poo-poo anything that sounds like a challenge to the official conspiracy story. Come on, wake up and smell the nanothermite!

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#7

Palindromedary ~ So... You're saying that a class action law suit to the supreme court against the US Government for violation of the constitution to declare the patriot act and subsequent draconian legislation unconstitutional and void would be futile? I think it would be fun and a very worthwhile endevour. A huge legal movement by millions of citizens from all over the country can't be stopped as fast as an Edward Snowden or a Michael Hastings. I think its worth a shot! Worse case scenario is that the SCOTUS will side with the fascists and not the citizens. But even then the truth will come out as to where We the People really stand. Don't you think? What a better time than during the trial to demonstrate and make the consensus of the nation known publicly?

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#8
Quote Palindromedary:Come on, wake up and smell the nanothermite!

Interesting statement! Do you think they will test Michael Hasting's car for nanothermite?

Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#9

And MMnnachos, what is more important than the story that Hastings was working on..the really big story concerning the CIA, the NSA, the...? Michael Hastings ruffled a lot of powerful people's feathers. He represented what a real investigative reporter should be. He put to shame so many of the others who call themselves reporters but are too chicken to do any real digging. We will never hear the truth if we listen only to the news that is filtered and approved and even leaked by those coyotes who guard the chicken coop.

When people like Michael Hastings get iced it sends a further chill up the spineless creatures who are too afraid to put their careers or even lives on the line. Yes, accidents do happen...but usually not under such incriminating circumstances.

It is just too easy for the spectators to accept the story of the authorities despite all of the things that have happened. It keeps them artificially secure in their minds that all is well and we don't have to be afraid as long as we trust in the authorities. Besides it is so much easier to listen and believe what they say on the 6:00 o'clock news...you don't have to question what they say....just believe... then forget... then challenge anyone else who does see anomalies, potential untruths, as "conspiracy theorists".

Don't fall into the trap that they have spent years creating...the psychological shame mechanism associating certain words or phrases to a Pavlovian reaction of distrust of anyone labeled with such terms.

People don't want to have to dig for answers that might contradict what the talking heads said...it's so much easier to just believe. People think they already know the truth because the authorities have told them what they want them to believe.

Would anyone else have analyzed an alleged police video...associating the buildings and other landmarks along the way to see the route that that officer went and the time it took to do it? Most people would, as I initially did, watch that video, saw the speeding car, and thought "yeah, there it was...Michael Hastings was speeding alright". And then they suggest that because of his speed, and perhaps hitting a pot hole, he lost control and crashed into a tree...gas tank exploded and created a massive fire. Sounds plausible doesn't it? But was it really what happened?

Did you know that there was another video that alleged to be that very same video showing 3 cars zooming past that intersection one right after another? That video was supposed to be proof that Michael Hastings was being chased by two other cars. Funny that every car was identical...same speed. It was obviously a doctored video..of the same car repeated 3 times...but some people watched that and were likely convinced that Hastings was being chased.

Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
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Quote DAnneMarc: ..Wow NACHOman! What a brilliant idea! I couldn't have said it better myself. You mean conscript some struggling lawyers who might want some publicity and a shot at making history into conducting a class action lawsuit against the Fed for failure to hold up their oaths of office? I love it! Lets do it!

and:

Quote DAnneMarc: Palindromedary ~ So... You're saying that a class action law suit to the supreme court against the US Government for violation of the constitution to declare the patriot act and subsequent draconian legislation unconstitutional and void would be futile? I think it would be fun and a very worthwhile endevour.

But it would be fun wouldn't it be...if not a waste of time...but unless the masses are finally doing something more meaningful and effective...you know like mob style justice...it is, perhaps, better than nothing...may even be amusing for a while.

We have only to look at what is happening in Egypt now. They are doing what Americans should be doing. But any civil appeal to the "law" will just delay the obvious. The people will eventually realize that their civil tactics didn't work...again...and again...and they will either have to accept their fate of slavery and oppression or finally do something about it..like they have historically done. Yes, it got messy then and may yet be again. Civil doesn't work against an entrenched criminal regime..it never has...and it never will.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#11
Quote Palindromedary:Did you know that there was another video that alleged to be that very same video showing 3 cars zooming past that intersection one right after another? That video was supposed to be proof that Michael Hastings was being chased by two other cars. Funny that every car was identical...same speed. It was obviously a doctored video..of the same car repeated 3 times...but some people watched that and were likely convinced that Hastings was being chased.

Palindromedary ~ That's another 'bombshell' of a tidbit. Could you please post the link to that video; and, cite the source of it, please?

BTW In MMmmNACHOS defense, I don't think he's trying to discount our theories, or the theories about 911. I believe what he's trying to say is that his time is limited and he'd rather spend it on more productive discussion. (Personally, I think he's just displaying some frustration. Can't say I blame him. He's not as old as we are nor does he have our free time.)

MMmmNACHOS ~ Relax! Take a walk. Enjoy the weather. A solution will present itself. They always do. Just keep repeating that class action lawsuit idea you had every chance you get. It takes time to sow the seeds you want to grow; but, every gardener needs patients. Once the plant germinates, it tends to grow quickly. Remember, a watched pot never boils. Be persistent and patient. There is nothing else you can do. Berating your allies and friends doesn't speed up the process it just reduces your influence and support. Nevertheless, mentioning your idea as often as possible is the best you can hope to do. Don't stop! Sooner or later the right person will hear you.

Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#12

Did you hear about the new Apocalypse Now movie? Starring Dick Cheney and George Bush...the scene: New York on 9/11. Dick Cheney wakes up and says to his butt-buddy George Bush...as he stretches and yawns..then says:

"Oh, man, I love the smell of nanothermite in the morning!"

Then flashed upon the screen in big red letters: The terror! The terror! The camera pans over to focus on their magical golden rings they wear hand in hand with the music of Wagner playing in the distance. They lovingly gaze at a large portrait of their God Nibelungen, after having just conquered Valhalla, hanging on the wall behind them.

"Personally, my little liebchen, Georgie, honey, I never really cared that the LGBT community would ever be able to legally marry. But it will one day be a great diversion for the masses. It will be a way to throw them a little bone to think they have won a great victory while we sneak away the the real goodies, eh, Georgy?" ..he pauses plaintively.."And when we send in our secret plan to totally subvert the masses...they'll never know what hit them! Our man, Obama, will fool them all! And by the time most of them will realize it, it will be too late for them to do anything about it. Let's, once again kneel before our beloved Fuhrer, the Great Nibelungen God, Adolph Hitler."

Raising their palms in the air toward the portrait they yell: "Seig Heil! Seig Heil! Seig Heil!"

Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
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Quote DAnneMarc: .. every gardener needs patients.

Yes, I know what you mean, I had and in-grown toenail once and my gardener just doused it with agent orange. My in-grown toenail was cured..in fact I lost the whole toenail...and now some really weird growth is sprouting up. Patience, Dr. Patience, you'll get your patients!

Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
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Quote DAnneMarc:He's not as old as we are nor does he have our free time.
Yes, you are probably correct. Us old foggies have nothing better to do, especially us retired people (not that I think you are retired yet, DAnneMarc), who have nothing better to do than to conjure up conspiracy theories and pontificate on solving the world's problems. Perhaps we do have more time to sit around and tail an officer through the streets of LA, even if it is on Google Earth.

DAnneMarc: I'll try to find that video I saw of the fake 3 car chase through that intersection. Might be a while.

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chuckle8 9 years 31 weeks ago
#16

Isn't eVerify part of the bill?

Argon's picture
Argon 9 years 30 weeks ago
#17

Maybe we are missing an opportunity for a "jobs" program.

Nevermind puny fencing! I see a wall; two in fact. Large walls following the natural terrain with regular spaced parapets for archers (just in case the Nigerian Muslim installed president or an antichrist takes our guns). The masonry walls shall stretch from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific between Mexico and Amerika and the other wall shall lay between Canada and Amerika; both shall be visible from earth orbit to show how great Amerika and the private contractors within are.

These walls should be no less then 50 feet tall and wide enough at the top for 2 vehicles to cross in opposite directions at the same time. And on these walls I envision towers an additional 30 feet tall located within eyesight of each other where a signal fire pyre will be installed (just in case radios fail) so that if invading illegals from our neighbors are spotted trying to enter or our own citizens try to leave without the required paperwork and vetting, proper authorities along the wall can be notified to respond with maximum force.

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