DS, if most employers hate having to furnish health care, why don't you target them instead of the 157 million families who like there union negotiated health plans.

DS Than who have you targeted? Not the employers for sure, that only leaves the employees. You want the 157 million families to suffer for the 20 million or so you say can't get health care......also, here is a quote from the Forbes magazine article you cited

"Despite the misaligned interests, an insurance-based health system can work quite well. Private insurance coverage is the method most of the world uses to deliver universal health care."

No, wrong again, hotdog lady; nobody but you and the other Trump trolls is trying to pit one artificially segmented group of fellow human beings who need healthcare against another artificially segmented group of fellow human beings who also need healthcare. We all have the same bodies that must be cared for properly. Sorry, you're in the throes of a psychotic episode (again), creating an unnecessary divide between people and then blaming it on others -- a chip off the old blockhead, your big daddy Trump the pussy-grabber.

For the second time, I'm not "targeting" anyone, employers, employess, or whoever else you conjure up to populate a strawman argument in the mad wonderland deep in that little rabbit hole of yours. Neither do I vouch for every out-of-context paragraph you happen to cherrypick from an article, the salient point of which you miss or choose to ignore.

In fact, pretty much every one of your posts are framed around one provable rightwing dishonesty or another, while your points are usually incoherent, jumbled up messes scattered all over the board as a result. And it certainly doesn't help to get drunk before attempting the impossible: trying to make sense out of all those Republican lies swirling around in the darkness of your confused mind.

Subconsciously, you are seeking intervention. That's why you come here -- for fresh air and sanity. So please take this sincere diagnosis of your deteriorating mental state in the right spirit; I'm only trying to help make you a better person. God knows you have failed miserably on your own. And the sand in your hour glass is running out.

Now, be gone, little troll! I grow weary of your presence.

"I can FEEEEL your anger! It gives you focus, makes you stronger!" -- Emporer Palpatine

Haha -- just call 'em as ah see 'em, mister ma'am. But you're such a fragile snowflake! Nah nah nah, you can dish it out but can't take it! Kindergarten taunts is what you like; kindergarten taunts is what you get. F*ck political correctness, right?

In virtually every comment, as devoted Trump trolls infused with hypocritical self-righteousness, pretty much all you and senile ol' granny do on this blog, whenever engaging "washed up lefties/socialists" with whom you disagree, is repeatedly offer gratuitous insults, name calls, and outrageous lies, post after post, thread after thread. Both of you have stated quite clearly that you are only here to tease liberals and progressives, which, after all, is your job as a troll. Why else are you here? So, puh-lease, spare us the phony indignation when the table is turned, and take your comeuppance like a man, woman, or whatever combination thereof with which you identify.

In case you're blind, deaf, and stupid (mostly the latter) and haven't noticed, that is the primary modus operandi of Trump the Pussy-grabber as well as his feckless followers, such as yourselves. You've been exposed. The regular contributors to this blog are well aware of your transparent tactics as insincere trolls, a status both you and your Bobbsey twin have proudly admitted to on several occasions. Remember?

After those revealing confessionals (rare moments of candor), how can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you don't even take yourselves seriously. So, yes, responding in kind, I thoroughly enjoy tearing down the big egos and the false narratives -- the coinage of Republicans everywhere hooked on Fux News and brainwashed by right-wing "think" tanks.

Malignant ideology and Goebbels-esque propaganda cannot be reasoned with, cannot be entertained, and cannot be tolerated or normalized; it can only be defeated and eradicated from our body politic. How can one compromise with immoral assholes whose ultimate goal is to deny more than 20 million vulnerable human beings the right (yes, the right!) to healthcare -- condemning tens of thousands to an early death every year -- just so millionaires and billionaires can enjoy a little more take-home pay for that extra yacht or perhaps a weekend golf junket at Mar-a-Lago. Trump and his Republican Party are on the wrong side of history. And so are you.

As far as your feeble attempt to drag me into a despicable false-framing of the argument -- pitting the adequately insured against the inadequately insured -- I will only say that I too have enjoyed a union-negotiated benefits package for most of my career -- a "Cadillac plan" that I can assure you is much superior to whatever your teacher's union worked out with your bosses, the taxpayers. But that doesn't mean we should not all pull together to bring the same security to every single American. WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!

BTW, you have N-E-V-E-R adequately answered any of the library full of questions posed to you by the progressives on this blog nor have you ever honored the veracity of their points. I even threw you a bone with that Forbes link, even though it doesn't advocate for single-payer as I do, because the author, a former Republican, did an admirable job exposing the utter fallacy of an unregulated, so-called free-market "solution" to the healthcare insurance industry, which is the ultimate goal of the crime organization you so foolishly voted into power. Did you address his primary point? Of course not! You just jumped on one paragraph to subtly steer the conversation back to your own widely debunked talking point. (Do your own damn research; it ain't my job to educate your dumb ass.)

I stand by every word of my assessment of the intellectually dishonest zombie trolls who pollute this blog with the rotting garbage that fills the empty space behind their sloped foreheads. I refuse to debate liars other than to heap on the ridicule so richly deserved. For the good of the nation and the world, Trump, Republicans, and their army of brain-dead Orcs need to be laughed off the stage.

10 paragraphs, 6 books, 4, references....and still no answer. A simple I don't know will suffice.

Here's a couple of books for you to read.

The Undoing Project --Michael Lewis

Thinking, Fast and Slow--Daniel Kahneman, Kahneman won the Nobel prize for economics in 2002

Oh, but I did answer, very pointedly. You just didn't get the answer you were fishing for to a nonsensical question based on lies. Too bad; I'm glad it irritates you. And don't pout because you didn't "get your way." BTW, you haven't answered any of the charges leveled at you -- because you can't!

Your answer to why you want to force 157 million people of their employer sponsored health care plan onto single payer is because you say it's cheaper. Nothing about quality of care, delays in care, access to doctors. No other reason. Sad

Your answer to why most of the world uses private health care insurance is it's a lie. Even though you furnished the source of the statement (Forbes magazine article.) what other "lies" have you furnished. By the way, private insurance is the largest provider of health care in the world.

You never addressed the fact, that people without private health insurance use free clinics, Medicaid and emergency rooms for health care.

Read this article from the New York Times dated September 18, 2017."The best healthcare system in the world, what one would you pick?"

.https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/18/upshot/best-health-care-system-country-bracket.html

Hotdog lady,
Para #1: Your first sentence insists on doubling down on your original lie. "Force" is the wrong word applied to the wrong system -- right now everyone is forced into one of the most expensive and corrupt systems on Earth. If the Medicare-for-all bill was passed cleanly, without Republicans and corp Dems punching it full of holes, so that the insurance industry can sell over-priced supplements to their captive consumers, then every employee in America would voluntarily flock to it in droves, because it's just an all around better deal for patients, providers, and taxpayers. Only an idiot would stubbornly cling to an inferior employer-based policy. It's not cheaper and better "because I say so" (another Ou812 lie); that's the analysis of every credible study that's ever unpacked all the possible versions of a national healthcare policy -- primarily because it takes the profit motive away and wrings the greed out of the system. You didn't study any of the source material, did you? Otherwise, you wouldn't have also included all the canards in your last sentence, all debunked lies.

Para # 2: You are deliberately misconstruing (lying about) the main point of the Forbes article and why I included it, which was already explained above -- the fallacy of free-market healthcare. I gather sources from many different viewpoints and cross-check key points. That doesn't mean that every point in a single article is valid or that I would agree with an author on her or his every point, especially in an opinion piece. But since you thrive on right-wing lies (The author bills himself as a recovering Republican, so he is still infected with residual untruths), your last sentence -- OF COOOURSE! -- doubles down on the lie and missed the truth. Typical. It's a crime that your school board hasn't revoked your certificate for poisoning the minds of children. What a waste of taxpayer money!

Para # 3: Well, gee, pardon me for not addressing every single aspect of the issue. ("Who knew healthcare was so complicated?" -- Pussy-grabber). Besides, that would add so many more paragraphs, which you're good at counting but not so good at reading. That's okay; I know reading comprehension is hard for Fux News potatoes without splashy pictures and blonde-hair pundits 'splainin stuff.

Yes, isn't it sad that "free" clinics, which have been much maligned by right-wing zealots and religious whackjobs, must pick up the slack in the richest nation on Earth? Reality check: free clinics are chronically short on funds and simply cannot keep up with the demand, the millions upon millions of desperate human beings whom Republicans kicked to the curb. Ditto for Medicaid: federal subsidies are always on the Republican chopping block, while the red states always defund further to balance their budgets to compensate for reducing tax revenue from wealthy individuals (the most important Republican base) and their corporate monopolies.

Unless youre bleeding badly, got broken bones, near death, or otherwise very seriously ill, no hospital could afford to stay open if management allowed all the poor people into their emergency room queue for annual checkups, or to see if a fever is something more serious than the flu, or for preventative care, or to treat a disease at the early stages before it gets really pricey -- unnecessary costs resulting in even higher prices and premiums for everybody else. Relying on emergency room services to pick up the slack is by far the most expensive way for taxpayers to subsidize medical treatment for poor people. WTF world do you live in?! Oh yeah: Lie Lie Land. Bam, bam, bam ...three lies in a row in one sentence. Impressive!

Proven yet again, you are incapable of making points without directly lying yourself and/or stupidly disseminating lies from Republican don't-think tanks. There's no sense in debating a liar, other than for the dark humor it provides. In case you haven't noticed, not too many around here, except your fellow trolls, bother to engage you. The reason is obvious.

Thank you Diane

You can't win them all DS.....still no response to the NY Times article?

So the NY Times has it wrong too. It seems everyone but you is wrong. Even the references you provide must have gotten it wrong. The first shows more countries having insurance than single payer, the second is about universal health care, not single payer.

What other Countries can a global for-profit corporation seeking to relocate (or for God's sake an actual person) obtain for "for-profit" health care insurance?

No answers? Does this mean that only in the "greatest country in the world" can one obtain prestigious "for-profit" health care insurance?

Private insurance is more prominent here, but it does not provide better care than single payer. Not by a long shot. Our healthcare program is profit based AND private insurance companies can, and do, deny covergage. My physician diagnosed my need for a hysterectomy. The insurance company said no. So he did a D&C which proved the need. Instead of being out of work for 4 weeks, I was out of work for 8 and had two surgeries instead of the one. My routine colonoscopy, 1.5 hours total, resulted in a bill over $6000. My mother's physician claimed "I didn't see the lab results"......so 3 months later she ended up having a colon resection requiring a colostomy. With single payer, maladies can be detected earlier because people won't wait until symptoms get really bad. I have lived abroad in 2 countries with universal healthcare and found no fault in them.