The "voodoo economics" are the result of government serving the wants of big and mega corporations. The start of the real solution is to destroy big corporations - dismantle them, reduce them, limit their size. As long as there is so much power in such few hands, nothing will change for the better.
People probably should have noticed that the government has no interest in what people think. Whatever govt. decides, what are we going to do about it? Sign some petitions? Call our legislators? So? We were so successfully divided, pitted against each other by class and race, that any power the people had was pulled out of our hands. I agree that we need to reverse the voodoo economics/trickle down destruction, but how?
Quote Kend:Marc. Sorry I should have said never trust the Fed. Government. You had the right guy down there he tried to give everyone health care in Mass. That would have been the start of a great thing. But now you just have a huge mess as I suggested when this all started.
Kend ~ You sell us short too fast. Vermont is still working on doing what needs to be done. What might have happened in Mass. is history. However, the final result of this "huge mess" is not going to be realized until the fat lady sings.
Mark J. Saulys ~ I'm sure that would work just fine... on your planet. On my planet we live by my LAW. I'm willing to cede any authority to the community so that they can determine HOW they want to love their neighbors as themselves. I'm not an overbearing tyrant. However, like my father used to always say, "my roof, my rules!" Anything less would be irresponsible parenting. There won't be any wars on my planet as long as I have anything to say about it.
D'Anne Marc, I don't think the law of Jesus can be enforced, not by an earthly authority. Anyway, I'd like to think that I would relinquish any authority and cede it to the community - I don't think anything else would be possible anyway - and seek to establish a consensus based decision making process.
Only America will not seek equality for working families, Only America does not invest into its citizens, Only Americans will allow other countries pass them by for the benefit of the few, the 1%.
We did have control of all the social structure at one time.
The inequality that we have established here in this country, the separation of the average American from the top 1% and above, down to the general public has caused this country to lose the greatest country in the world recognition. If you do some research you can see for over the past 30 years we have lost a generation to the greed of the top 1% political power and their wealth.
Which did cause the greatest country in the world to have inequality for all.
At one time America did strongly produce a great product that said Made in America, that Americans took great pride in. With today’s globalization, Corporations have found it more profitable to produce their products overseas because of cheaper labor. That is why it is so hard to find any type of household appliances like washing machine, refrigerator, computers and electronics that says made in America.
Obtaining a state University or College was affordable, in some cases free. Today to obtain this higher education a students have to go into debt extremely, and takes years to decades to pay it off, before Reagan came to power in California, and then President of United States of America with this austerity, conservative agenda, which did not work. Obtaining higher education was affordable a one time for the average working family, and now it's not.
We had labor unions that looked out for their members making sure that you have a safe place to work in, fight for a two weeks paid vacation, at eight hour workday, time a half for anything over eight hours a day, 40 hours a week. And a pension plan for you to live in comfort and security for your retirement. Your local would provide a shop steward to represent you for grievances against the company management. Reagan decided to create a war on the unions although at one time he did say this,
“Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
Pres. Ronald Reagan’s approach was to appoint representatives of corporations that will promote their best interest instead of the working family’s best interest. Donald Dotson was one of them that he put into the position of chairman over the NLRB the National Labor Relations Board. Mr. Dotson considered organized labor as a threat to the country corporations and the CEOs and destroys individual freedom. Little did he know that unions were the backbone of this nation and brought the American working family to a level of a successful lifestyle by having a livable wage, health care for him and his family, and be able to send their children to obtain a decent college or university education. Now union memberships are at a all time low, we have lost our voice on collective bargaining and have to accept lower wages, while the CEO's and his board making extremely high wages plus bonuses, even if the company fails, forcing America's working family struggle for a paycheck month-to-month to survive on, Who will stand up for you, your local union, because an army of one will not succeed, and be aware of the East India Company.
If you are old enough you can remember coming home from school and your mother being there in your dad at work. Today both parents have to work just to survive the month, just to take care of your family, to put food on the table, provide their family with a house to live in, clothing for their children to where, shoes for their feet, a coats for the wintertime. After Pres. Ronald Reagan now it takes both parents to take care of the household finances, that is keeping the mother not home to the care of their children for proper family upbringing. But in a place of employment,and not have home for a mother supposed to be. All this did happen after Reagan became President of United States of America.
To survive as a nation, as a country, as a society we have to return back to our roots, back before Reagan, back before this austerity, for we can return back to our status as being the greatest country on earth.
Was America, the greatest country in the world at one time, at one time, yes, it was.
It is no longer our fathers country our fathers greatest generation, it’s been stolen by the 1%.
Marc. Sorry I should have said never trust the Fed. Government. You had the right guy down there he tried to give everyone health care in Mass. That would have been the start of a great thing. But now you just have a huge mess as I suggested when this all started.
The mushroom of the story is never trust government. Hell, that makes sense to me! ;-} Shrooms, anyone? By the way, I just saw a good movie, if not a very difficult to understand one..at least in the beginning..."Inherent Vice". But crank up your hearing aids because there is a lot of whispering. Good thing I had a caption device.
Aliceinwonderland~ You sure said it! I sure do wish I voted for Perot too. Same with Nader. What are you gonna do? When you're faced with the worse case scenario of another Bush, or anything like that, your survival instincts kick in overdrive and your brain goes to sleep. My greatest fear is that the same thing is going to happen next election; and, at the last minute you, I, and everyone else we know will pull the leaver for Ms. Clinton. I know it sounds like something out of a bizarre Twilight Zone episode.
It might be the fever talking; but, all I can hear is: "There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone."
I can think of no better description for a Bush/Clinton race.
Quote Kend:The morel of the story is never trust government. Some how you never get what they tell you you are going to get and it costs ten times more.
Kend ~ Wow! It worked out fine for you though. It worked out fine for most of the industrialized world too. Imagine that! Maybe the MORAL of the story isn't to "never trust government;" but, rather, to never allow corporate monopolies to get so strong that they can co op government? All it took in Canada was one province to change the entire country. In our country, the entire Federal Government is powerless beneath the thumb of the health insurance megalopolis.
There's no two ways about it. We must reduce our dependency on oil, natural gas, and coal---be it from the US or Middle East or anywhere else. We need to invest in abundent and clear energy and that means solar, hydro, and solar, and until nuclear can be made safer, it needs to be on the back burner (well, sorta). I would go even further and say energy independence is a matter of national security and as such such be nationalized, or at the least much more regulated than it has been.
Why stop there? Let's make four year colleges free, and then maybe grad school or on to law and medical school or maybe engineering school. First, we need to accept the fact that not every job should require a post-high school degree, especially if students in high school were actually getting educated. The US continually ranks toward the bottom in almost every area (except sports! We seem to do pretty good there. Can't read or write or do simple math. Can't even find Canada on the map, but we can shot 2 pointers!). So, let's focus on a quality high school education first. Producing intelligent high school graders will go along way. Second, let's look at where there are shortages. Most of those are in the trades, so let's invest in vocational education. If we have lots of free money to throw around (which we don't), that's where is should go---to train people in areas where there are shortages or projected shortages. And add to that training to help kids to understand how to start their own businesses. Finally, college. If we must (and I emphasis MUST) spend more taxpayer money, let's do so for degrees where society (and the student) can expect a return, not on degrees in Basket weaving and finger painting or Music Appreciation or Ancient African Studies and such, but on Math and Science. Besides, if they are seriously interested in those other areas, they can always minor in them.
Mark, 7 million isn't enough. Everyone should have it. My point is if they told the truth and said everyone's taxes will go up 4% or what ever the number is but everyone will be insured and put it to a vote most people would vote yes. But it is always a lie. Or if you did what we did in Canada one province started it and the rest said hey that looks great lets do that too. But this government lied and now you have nothing but problems. The morel of the story is never trust government. Some how you never get what they tell you you are going to get and it costs ten times more.
Mark J. Saulys
Your last sentence is what I' m looking for. The scenario is your world, your utopia, and I would like to know what laws YOU would have, and how would YOU enforce them?
Legislation is judged "good" or "bad" "according to its effect upon the economy and government revenue" what they don't say is that it's judged "good" if it ruins the economy and the ability of government to function.
Well Kend, I have healthcare now and only had the emergency room before and, I think the number of newly insured is 7 million - and growing. That isn't bad.
Some people do pay some more and others less but people have to learn to use the exchanges.
They should call it what it really is: "DYNAMIC WHORING". Where a bunch of rightwing fascist billionaire-butt-licking bigots, pretend they know everything about economics while whoring for the top 1/10th percent and screwing the rest.
Stop telling us to call our Representatives. THAT HASN'T WORKED. Matter of fact, now that there are more of those guys in there...It'll help even less. THEY DON'T CARE. Why should they even pay lip service to our called in concerns? They haven't and won't.
The "voodoo economics" are the result of government serving the wants of big and mega corporations. The start of the real solution is to destroy big corporations - dismantle them, reduce them, limit their size. As long as there is so much power in such few hands, nothing will change for the better.
Now online - EU negotiating texts in TTIP
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1230
People probably should have noticed that the government has no interest in what people think. Whatever govt. decides, what are we going to do about it? Sign some petitions? Call our legislators? So? We were so successfully divided, pitted against each other by class and race, that any power the people had was pulled out of our hands. I agree that we need to reverse the voodoo economics/trickle down destruction, but how?
Kend ~ You sell us short too fast. Vermont is still working on doing what needs to be done. What might have happened in Mass. is history. However, the final result of this "huge mess" is not going to be realized until the fat lady sings.
Mark J. Saulys ~ I'm sure that would work just fine... on your planet. On my planet we live by my LAW. I'm willing to cede any authority to the community so that they can determine HOW they want to love their neighbors as themselves. I'm not an overbearing tyrant. However, like my father used to always say, "my roof, my rules!" Anything less would be irresponsible parenting. There won't be any wars on my planet as long as I have anything to say about it.
D'Anne Marc, I don't think the law of Jesus can be enforced, not by an earthly authority. Anyway, I'd like to think that I would relinquish any authority and cede it to the community - I don't think anything else would be possible anyway - and seek to establish a consensus based decision making process.
Was America the greatest country
Only America will not seek equality for working families,
Only America does not invest into its citizens,
Only Americans will allow other countries pass them by for the benefit of the few, the 1%.
Was America great at one time, yes it was.
We did have control of all the social structure at one time.
The inequality that we have established here in this country, the separation of the average American from the top 1% and above, down to the general public has caused this country to lose the greatest country in the world recognition. If you do some research you can see for over the past 30 years we have lost a generation to the greed of the top 1% political power and their wealth.
Which did cause the greatest country in the world to have inequality for all.
Was America great at one time, yes, it was.
Made in America.
At one time America did strongly produce a great product that said Made in America, that Americans took great pride in. With today’s globalization, Corporations have found it more profitable to produce their products overseas because of cheaper labor. That is why it is so hard to find any type of household appliances like washing machine, refrigerator, computers and electronics that says made in America.
Was America great at one time, yes, it was.
Affordable Education.
Obtaining a state University or College was affordable, in some cases free. Today to obtain this higher education a students have to go into debt extremely, and takes years to decades to pay it off, before Reagan came to power in California, and then President of United States of America with this austerity, conservative agenda, which did not work. Obtaining higher education was affordable a one time for the average working family, and now it's not.
Was America great at one time, yes, it was.
Organize The Work Place, an Army of one will not succeed.
We had labor unions that looked out for their members making sure that you have a safe place to work in, fight for a two weeks paid vacation, at eight hour workday, time a half for anything over eight hours a day, 40 hours a week. And a pension plan for you to live in comfort and security for your retirement. Your local would provide a shop steward to represent you for grievances against the company management. Reagan decided to create a war on the unions although at one time he did say this,
“Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
Then went back on his word when Pres. Reagan decided to hurt the working families of America when he fired 13,000 striking air traffic controllers and destroyed their union. This one act did started the downward fall of Americans unions, which destroyed Americans working force, and put it in the hands of the corporations, have you ever heard of the phrase of, “Be Aware Of The East India Company”. It’s worthwhile looking up.
Pres. Ronald Reagan’s approach was to appoint representatives of corporations that will promote their best interest instead of the working family’s best interest. Donald Dotson was one of them that he put into the position of chairman over the NLRB the National Labor Relations Board. Mr. Dotson considered organized labor as a threat to the country corporations and the CEOs and destroys individual freedom. Little did he know that unions were the backbone of this nation and brought the American working family to a level of a successful lifestyle by having a livable wage, health care for him and his family, and be able to send their children to obtain a decent college or university education. Now union memberships are at a all time low, we have lost our voice on collective bargaining and have to accept lower wages, while the CEO's and his board making extremely high wages plus bonuses, even if the company fails, forcing America's working family struggle for a paycheck month-to-month to survive on, Who will stand up for you, your local union, because an army of one will not succeed, and be aware of the East India Company.
Was America great at one time, yes, it was.
Both Parents Have To Work
If you are old enough you can remember coming home from school and your mother being there in your dad at work. Today both parents have to work just to survive the month, just to take care of your family, to put food on the table, provide their family with a house to live in, clothing for their children to where, shoes for their feet, a coats for the wintertime. After Pres. Ronald Reagan now it takes both parents to take care of the household finances, that is keeping the mother not home to the care of their children for proper family upbringing. But in a place of employment,and not have home for a mother supposed to be. All this did happen after Reagan became President of United States of America.
Was America great at one time, yes, it was.
To survive as a nation, as a country, as a society we have to return back to our roots, back before Reagan, back before this austerity, for we can return back to our status as being the greatest country on earth.
Was America, the greatest country in the world at one time, at one time, yes, it was.
It is no longer our fathers country our fathers greatest generation, it’s been stolen by the 1%.
And Be Aware Of The East India Company
Marc. Sorry I should have said never trust the Fed. Government. You had the right guy down there he tried to give everyone health care in Mass. That would have been the start of a great thing. But now you just have a huge mess as I suggested when this all started.
The mushroom of the story is never trust government. Hell, that makes sense to me! ;-} Shrooms, anyone? By the way, I just saw a good movie, if not a very difficult to understand one..at least in the beginning..."Inherent Vice". But crank up your hearing aids because there is a lot of whispering. Good thing I had a caption device.
Aliceinwonderland ~ You sure said it! I sure do wish I voted for Perot too. Same with Nader. What are you gonna do? When you're faced with the worse case scenario of another Bush, or anything like that, your survival instincts kick in overdrive and your brain goes to sleep. My greatest fear is that the same thing is going to happen next election; and, at the last minute you, I, and everyone else we know will pull the leaver for Ms. Clinton. I know it sounds like something out of a bizarre Twilight Zone episode.
It might be the fever talking; but, all I can hear is: "There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone."
I can think of no better description for a Bush/Clinton race.
Alice: I love you:))
Kend ~ Wow! It worked out fine for you though. It worked out fine for most of the industrialized world too. Imagine that! Maybe the MORAL of the story isn't to "never trust government;" but, rather, to never allow corporate monopolies to get so strong that they can co op government? All it took in Canada was one province to change the entire country. In our country, the entire Federal Government is powerless beneath the thumb of the health insurance megalopolis.
Kend -- Sounds like you are spouting the mythology of clean coal.
There's no two ways about it. We must reduce our dependency on oil, natural gas, and coal---be it from the US or Middle East or anywhere else. We need to invest in abundent and clear energy and that means solar, hydro, and solar, and until nuclear can be made safer, it needs to be on the back burner (well, sorta). I would go even further and say energy independence is a matter of national security and as such such be nationalized, or at the least much more regulated than it has been.
Why stop there? Let's make four year colleges free, and then maybe grad school or on to law and medical school or maybe engineering school. First, we need to accept the fact that not every job should require a post-high school degree, especially if students in high school were actually getting educated. The US continually ranks toward the bottom in almost every area (except sports! We seem to do pretty good there. Can't read or write or do simple math. Can't even find Canada on the map, but we can shot 2 pointers!). So, let's focus on a quality high school education first. Producing intelligent high school graders will go along way. Second, let's look at where there are shortages. Most of those are in the trades, so let's invest in vocational education. If we have lots of free money to throw around (which we don't), that's where is should go---to train people in areas where there are shortages or projected shortages. And add to that training to help kids to understand how to start their own businesses. Finally, college. If we must (and I emphasis MUST) spend more taxpayer money, let's do so for degrees where society (and the student) can expect a return, not on degrees in Basket weaving and finger painting or Music Appreciation or Ancient African Studies and such, but on Math and Science. Besides, if they are seriously interested in those other areas, they can always minor in them.
Mark, 7 million isn't enough. Everyone should have it. My point is if they told the truth and said everyone's taxes will go up 4% or what ever the number is but everyone will be insured and put it to a vote most people would vote yes. But it is always a lie. Or if you did what we did in Canada one province started it and the rest said hey that looks great lets do that too. But this government lied and now you have nothing but problems. The morel of the story is never trust government. Some how you never get what they tell you you are going to get and it costs ten times more.
sorry. double hit.
tom kauser-
Yes I do. It's called " The shell game ".
vegasman56, well said. E.I.C. - more info.?
vegasman56, well said. E.I.C. - more info.?
Mark J. Saulys
Your last sentence is what I' m looking for. The scenario is your world, your utopia, and I would like to know what laws YOU would have, and how would YOU enforce them?
Legislation is judged "good" or "bad" "according to its effect upon the economy and government revenue" what they don't say is that it's judged "good" if it ruins the economy and the ability of government to function.
Well Kend, I have healthcare now and only had the emergency room before and, I think the number of newly insured is 7 million - and growing. That isn't bad.
Some people do pay some more and others less but people have to learn to use the exchanges.
They should call it what it really is: "DYNAMIC WHORING". Where a bunch of rightwing fascist billionaire-butt-licking bigots, pretend they know everything about economics while whoring for the top 1/10th percent and screwing the rest.
Stop telling us to call our Representatives. THAT HASN'T WORKED. Matter of fact, now that there are more of those guys in there...It'll help even less. THEY DON'T CARE. Why should they even pay lip service to our called in concerns? They haven't and won't.