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great comparison! did obama climb into the same spider hole saddam climbed into?
When bush senior said ("it's a new world order") the only thing he left out were the names of say, the top 10/20 people that run the world. He was probably chastised a bit for making that (honest) comment by his piers. We are no longer America, with control over our own destiny. The new order looks like this, America--The police department, China-- Currency controller and cheap labor, Saudi's oil and banking manipulation etc etc. I can't give you the complete break down because only those top 20 know what that break down is. Americas supreme court is acutely aware of the new order, that is why they could pass such an obvious laugher like the Corporation can buy any politician act. Thom gives people to much credit, that they are intelligent, I've heard him say so a few times. I don't see it, the writing of Americas demise is being written right in front of our eyes and yet virtually nobody see's it. I wish it were not true, but for me it is blindingly obvious and un-stoppable!
Bush dug the hole and Obama climbed in.
Or, as a recent cartoon in the St. Paul Pioneer Press put it, Obama is Charley Brown and the Republican Party is Lucy...holding a football she's inviting him to try and kick. Again.
Like elect more Democrats?
Yeah. that'll work.
As a former Montana resident, we had to fight Republican Sen Conrad Burns on logging and wilderness issues, and were able to win or have a stalemate on most everything. We were organzied and energetic.
Democrat Jon Tester defeated Burns in 2006. "Democrat" Tester is not pushing forward with "Republican" Burns' core issues. It is much, much harder to fight Tester than Burns, because Tester is a Democrat and when Democrats are in office, Democrats fall asleep at the wheel. Tester is far more likely to pass bad wilderness and logging bills than Burns.
And that's my point - we do not need to save the Obama presidency. No matter which party is in power, we have a huge fight with the odds stacked heavily against us. We have a better chance of winning with Republicans in power than Democrats, because Democrats stay awake and help in the fight.
Yes, it's a long shot. Yes, victories are few. But no, Mr. Hartmann, our salvation is not in "taking over" the Democratic Party. Money will not allow that. It's a quixotic mission.
I think Tom might be onto something with letting the tax cut plan go into effect. If it works, Obama gets the credit. If it doesn't, he can say the Republican plan failed and we need to make some changes.
"Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves".
You do a great job, Thom. Keep up the good work !
I believe we all must realize that the "rich" control the entire political process: BOTH Republicans and Democrats, and even the Judiciary with the Roberrs Court. The new Republican members of the House of Represntatives must "deliver" tax cuts and pork to the "rich", or they will be gone, smeared away in a barrage of negative advertising. I think it is time for a NEW political party; one for the working people of America. Nancy Pelosi should be the candidate for President.
Even the Obama Administration has been "bought" by the rich. The latest "bipartisan deal" smacks of "trickle down Reagan style tax policy"; which has been shown repeatedly to do NOTHING for working people. America is as "stuck" today for tax and economic policy as it was in the 1920s...we are heading for another Depression. And NO ONE in Washington in either party has the GUTS to stand up to the wealthy and tell them "Here is the new tax policy, now it is a new game in America."
We NEED another Franklin Roosevelt. Instead we have Obama. His administration acts like those of either James Buchanan or Martin Van Buren, both of whom wanted to solve hard issues through compromise. They ended up doing nothing to really help the American people comes to grips with brutal reality.
Since you asked, I'll respond. Republicans chose these people as leaders because they will dependably pursue following through on Reagan's advice, "Government is the problem." These people will be sure to work to dismantle the federal government and siphon as much of the treasury as they can on their way out the door.
It's the one area of intellectual honesty we can find among the Repubs. They claim that government is broken, and so they do everything they can to prove themselves right.
With these appointments, do you now see why it's so important to get help to middle class and the economy right now? Those opposed to the tax deal would be willing to risk other people's wellbeing on a bet that the Republicans would e v e n t u a l l y restore unemployment benefits and restore tax cuts for the middle class. Not gonna happen. We have to move on what we can get now, then deal with tax cuts for the rich through the deficit control process.
Tom,
YOu asked why republicans are allowing people with opposing views to take over GOP leadership. It is simple. It doesn't matter. It has become a game played primarily by those at the very top of power who realize,that the more confusing and complicated and controversial the governance process becomes, the more autonomy they have with the less potential for significant rebellion by the crowds of relatively emotionally driven and unaware masses. In the same way Fox News has now been the first to offer a legitimate hearing to the 9/11 truth movement, "switching sides" and divide and conquer remains a strategy for power politics.
For those interested in learning more about Issa's public record and to follow his current shenanigans, Courage Campaign has an excellent blog devoted these subjects, "Issa Exposed":
http://issaexposed.couragecampaign.org/index.php
OK, then who did you vote for?
We didn't have much choice in this election.
We should demand any laws create jobs and make the GOP create them.
Tax cuts? Prove they create jobs...
#35 DYLANESQUE wrote 1 hour 34 min ago THOM HARTMANN IS WISHY
THOM HARTMANN IS WISHY WASHY!
ALL OVER THE PLACE!
DEAD WRONG!
AND AN APOLOGIST FOR RATS!!
Especially because two (2) solutions exist to block the OBAMA TAX CUTS.
Before I explain the two (2) solutions, PLEASE NOTE and allow me to state that I prefer much more a Bernie Sanders/Nancy Pelosi ticket in 2012!! Sanders and Pelosi are far more effective Populists than traitorous Obama!
First, Senator Sanders can still filibuster the bill in the Senate!!
Secondly,
(1) Let the BUSH TAX CUTS expire.
(2) In January, 2011, attach the Middle Class Tax Cuts and the Emergency Unemployment Insurance Extension to a Government funding or Military spending bill.
(3) Let the Republicans veto it and shut down the government, as they did during the Clinton administration.
(4) After a few days or a week, the Republicans will capitulate --- as they did under Clinton --- because the public and Obama will excoriate the Republicans, IF OBAMA HAS THE BACKBONE, THE SPINE, TO STAND UP TO THE REPUBLICANS, instead of berating and scolding his LOST BASE!! (Obama is a wimp, a traitor, a loser, whom I don't respect!)
(5) Then make the Middle Class Tax Cuts and Emergency Unemployment Insurance Extension retroactive to the first of the year. QED (Theorem proved!).
PSP [POSTSCRIPT PLUS]::---
PLEASE ADD these two words to your vocabulary::---
PSY-'CHOP-ATHY, I define in this context to be, THE TAKEOVER AND CONTROL OF ALL MODERN INSTITUTIONS BY PSYCHOPATHS.
POLITICAL PONEROLOGY::--- THE SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE UTILIZATION, ADJUSTMENT, AND ADAPTATION OF EVIL FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.
PLEASE CONSULT::---
1. Andrze M. Lobaczewski and Laura Knight-Jadczyk, Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes, 2007.
2. Bob Altemeyer, The Authoritarians, 2007.
3. Dr. Paul Babiak and Dr. Robert D. Hale, Professor Emeritus and Industrial Psychologist, respectively, Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work, 2007.
4. asb2525, Snakes in Suits, Skirts, and Military Garb: When Anal-Fixated Psychopaths Go to Work and RAW WAR!!, 2010 (to be e-mailed).
**5.
“Ponerology”: n. division of theology dealing with evil; theological doctrine of wickedness or evil; from the Greek: poneros -> evil'.
We are not proposing a “theological” study, but rather a scientific study of what we can plainly call Evil. The problem is, our materialist scientific culture does not readily admit that evil actually exists, per se. The lack of such a science has cost humanity millions of lives and untold suffering.
22 August 2010 Time for Change: Why the Corrupt Few Wreak So Much Death, Destruction, and Suffering on the Rest of us
by Time for Change Democratic Underground
thanks tom you are loved as you know
1. I didn't vote for Obama. It was because of some of his comments during the campaign, which did not match my beliefs. I am disappointed that some of the progressives are making excuses for every capitulation he makes. If he is going to be afraid to stand up for things because he will be seen as an angry black man then we will never advance, and if the White House claims over-compromising as a victory then there truly is no reason to think that we will accomplish moving forward. Is tip-toeing really a next-best to stepping? He needed to stand up and be forceful and fight for things that the people that elected him wanted. And every time he compromises, the liberals start out by crying foul, and then later there is a reason why the compromise is acceptable, which mostly I hear is "Something is better than nothing". I don't know if that is a good campaign slogan...and one thing I really resent is feeling like I am forced to vote for a Democrat because we don't want Republicans voting Supreme Court Justices in...how then do I convince myself that I really have a vote of my own? Why would it be acceptable for progressives to vote for a party that is doing whatever they want because they think we have nowhere else to go? Where is the democracy? We can't play chess in real life, because the pieces don't get reset at the end of a match, some of the pieces disappear. And, if we can't compete with large corporations, millionaires, and billionaires that are buying the "representatives" now, how are we supposed to successfully infiltrate the party and turn it towards a progressive agenda? Who is going to listen?
THOM HARTMANN IS WISHY WASHY!
ALL OVER THE PLACE!
DEAD WRONG!
AND AN APOLOGIST FOR RATS!!
Especially because two (2) solutions exist to block the OBAMA TAX CUTS.
Before I explain the two (2) solutions, PLEASE NOTE and allow me to state that I prefer much more a Bernie Sanders/Nancy Pelosi ticket in 2012!! Sanders and Pelosi are far more effective Populists than traitorous Obama!
First, Senator Sanders can still filibuster the bill in the Senate!!
Secondly,
(1) Let the BUSH TAX CUTS expire.
(2) In January, 2011, attach the Middle Class Tax Cuts and the Emergency Unemployment Insurance Extension to a Government funding or Military spending bill.
(3) Let the Republicans veto it and shut down the government, as they did during the Clinton administration.
(4) After a few days or a week, the Republicans will capitulate --- as they did under Clinton --- because the public and Obama will excoriate the Republicans, IF OBAMA HAS THE BACKBONE, THE SPINE, TO STAND UP TO THE REPUBLICANS, instead of berating and scolding his LOST BASE!! (Obama is a wimp, a traitor, a loser, whom I don't respect!)
(5) Then make the Middle Class Tax Cuts and Emergency Unemployment Insurance Extension retroactive to the first of the year. QED (Theorem proved!).
PSP [POSTSCRIPT PLUS]::---
PLEASE ADD these two words to your vocabulary::---
PSY-'CHOP-ATHY, I define in this context to be, THE TAKEOVER AND CONTROL OF ALL MODERN INSTITUTIONS BY PSYCHOPATHS.
POLITICAL PONEROLOGY::--- THE SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE UTILIZATION, ADJUSTMENT, AND ADAPTATION OF EVIL FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.
PLEASE CONSULT::---
1. Andrze M. Lobaczewski and Laura Knight-Jadczyk, Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes, 2007.
2. Bob Altemeyer, The Authoritarians, 2007.
3. Dr. Paul Babiak and Dr. Robert D. Hale, Professor Emeritus and Industrial Psychologist, respectively, Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work, 2007.
4. asb2525, Snakes in Suits, Skirts, and Military Garb: When Anal-Fixated Psychopaths Go to Work and RAW WAR!!, 2010 (to be e-mailed).
**5.
“Ponerology”: n. division of theology dealing with evil; theological doctrine of wickedness or evil; from the Greek: poneros -> evil'.
We are not proposing a “theological” study, but rather a scientific study of what we can plainly call Evil. The problem is, our materialist scientific culture does not readily admit that evil actually exists, per se. The lack of such a science has cost humanity millions of lives and untold suffering.
22 August 2010 Time for Change: Why the Corrupt Few Wreak So Much Death, Destruction, and Suffering on the Rest of us
by Time for Change Democratic Underground
Good Point cmoore68 EOM
@teleoklin - I didn't realize I voted for a Republican in '08.
it is not the federal reserve it is the federal deserve. a printing press for the war machine for the new world ruling class for the wall street blood feast to worship like a alter of ice cream for their children to inherit for their club to devour.
Correct Bassface
Same party Midterm Presidential change has never worked. But Perhaps it will scare Obama to look a bit more left.
I have 5-6 months after my states primary to choose, But I know it will then be the lesser of two evils. I've voted in 12 straight Presidential elections and have never voted for a Republican.
A ' movement ' is needed
they say they're going to sttop shark attacks with fines. fine. fin. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/12/13/world/middleeast/AP-ML-Travel-Brief-Egypt-Shark-Attacks.html?ref=news
we need to remember the slogan NO MORE WAR.....we need to remember that the fight for true freedom is about being less comfortable and not more. we need to remember that our value together can speak volumes above the echo of slanted media, the echo of our demise!
Thom, PLEASE DO NOT LET THE CONSERVATIVE CRAZIES FILIBUSTER ON YOUR SHOW!!!!!
Dump Peter Ferrara from your Rolodex.
It's difficult to not turn off the show when this guy is on.