President Obama is a hands-off manager and a non-existent leader. He might as well be wearing a cowboy hat and clearing brush on a faux ranch in Texas.
From what I can tell, this is a Green Party operation. I'm specifically talking about a group of active DFL leaders/delegates to start applying pressure within the party. Hey Hey...Ho Ho...Chairman Melendez has got to go! Hey Hey Ho Ho.
See you in Duluth?
President Obama is and always was a just-right-of-the-center-of-the-road centrist. Folk used to be able to go to http://www.progressivepunch .org and review his Even Bayh-like, mediocre, wishy-washy voting record. Folk just read crap into him because they were desperate beyond belief for something different.
It is not some pet ideology! We are talking about principal over personality cults. If you want to be part of a political movement who marches in lock-step without questioning you are fishing in the wrong pond. I for one, place principal and country above party. Patriotism is served by critical assessment.
@THOM: You are incorrect. Deeds’ base did show up. They voted for McDonnell.
Deeds is a Corporate DEM. McDonnell, a recessivist Pat Robertson Republican, who lied his backside off by pretending his expressed (written) opinions were not his opinions and played to the center. The Corporate DEMs voted with the better Corporate DEM.
Richard L. Adlof
What was it that you said a few days ago... something about the democratic party being a party of centralist? I thought it was spot on.
We Dems always lose because we shoot our candidates.
Who needs Rush Limbaugh when we have progressive talk show hosts who dump crap on Obama all day because he isn't perfectly living up to some pet ideology?
America REQUIRED a Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, FDR and we got exactly what Obama actually promised. This is Clinton REDUX. Yes, things are getting done but there are dead bodies everywhere.
I tried to approach party leaders about "capturing" as many of the new faces which showed up at the precinct caucuses two February(s) ago. They let me spend days entering in the information gleaned that night into the party's data bank, but were not interested in advice about what to do with that information. In fact, the access to the data was promised but not made available to local units until just days before the election. The hierarchy of our State Party is firmly aligned withe DLC, DCCC factions and not with the Dean people. We perhaps need to form a progressive caucus within our party and wrest power from the hands of the corporatist members now in control.
As to Corzine...I believe he is a true progressive who if removed from the constraints of political considerations would be effective given his experience and knowledge. He owes no one anything and hopefully would welcome a chance to truly contribute to his country. His ego would hopefully compel him to really do something important and aid his legacy. I can't be sure, but, give me twenty minutes questioning and I could tell if he understood what needed to be done. Barack should be able to do so too.
I moved to the state of Virginia 8 years ago. The locals tell me that the republicans (here) will vote in the Democratic primaries, choosing the least capable candidate to run against them in the fall elections.
RADICAL RIGHT -- ARMEY TO MEET WITH AUTHOR OF TOWN HALL HARASSMENT MEMO TO PLAN PURGE OF MODERATES FROM THE GOP: The Hartford Courant reported Tuesday that former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, chairman of FreedomWorks and chief astroturf organizer, is planning to travel to Fairfield, CT on Nov. 11 for a "strategy session" with conservative activists, including Bob MacGuffie, the original author of the infamous town hall harassment strategy memo. Armey will be discussing how to scale-up the purging of moderates from the GOP, a strategy that created a national sensation in New York's 23rd congressional district. As The Progress Report first reported in late July, MacGuffie authored the now infamous memo detailing how conservative activists can successfully disrupt Democratic health care town halls. The memo was distributed through a listserv controlled by FreedomWorks, the corporate front group which organized the tea party movement earlier this year. In town hall after town hall this August, MacGuffie's strategy was used to target members of Congress who were considering supporting health care reform. Although Armey disputed his relation to the memo, both Rolling Stone and Talking Points Memo have verified that FreedomWorks staffers, like FreedomWorks Florida coordinator Tom Gaitens, control the Tea Party Patriots listserv that distributed the memo. Armey has gone so far as denying even knowing Gaitens, even though he has worked for FreedomWorks for years and can be seen in the last 10 seconds of this ABC News segment handing a microphone to Armey. Both MacGuffie and Armey are targeting Republican candidates like Sens. Lindsey Graham (SC) and Olympia Snowe (ME), Reps. Bob Inglis (SC) and Mark Kirk (IL), Gov. Charlie Crist (FL), and other Republicans who have strayed from rigid party-line positions.
-The Progress Report
AND yet the DEMs fielded two truly weak-arsed, P.o.S. candidates in the Virginia and New Jersey Governor races. Both have flipped to the party opposing the President 14 times outta the last 16 races. History could been bucked if the Democrats had just put some forethought and action into their selection process.
Year President Virginia Winner New Jersey Winner Net House
2009 Barack Obama (D) Bob McDonnell (R) Chris Christie (R) ?
2005 George W. Bush (R) Tim Kaine (D) Jon Corzine (D) Dem +31
2001 George W. Bush (R) Mark Warner (D) Jim McGreevey (D) GOP +7
1997 Bill Clinton (D) Jim Gilmore (R) Christie Whitman (R) Dem +5
1993 Bill Clinton (D) George Allen (R) Christie Whitman (R) GOP +54
1989 George H.W. Bush (R) Doug Wilder (D) Jim Florio (D) Dem +7
1985 Ronald Reagan (R) Gerald Baliles (D) Tom Kean (R) Dem +5
1981 Ronald Reagan (R) Chuck Robb (D) Tom Kean (R) Dem +27
WTF! Do we hate being in power? Do we wanta be the permanent minority? Do DEMs like listening to FAUX News point to statistically highly probable events and beat the drum of Clinton/Pelosi/Obama backlash for the eight to ten months leading into the next election cycle? GRRR.
Thank you, Tim Kaine (D-Outgoing VA Governor and DNC Chairperson) . . . The DNC is now the DLC . . . AND Democrats LOVE Corporations . . . And hate to win.
LOL. I guess it's all relative (according to Einstein, anyway.) I sort of like B Roll's assertion (yesterday?) that this could be a form of time travel, and we get a do-over! LOL
You read my mind... The question now is how can those same now-absent "new faces" be educated to understand what is at stake without their participation?
My very Republican mother headed committees and backed causes until she was nearly 80 and serious heatlh problems took her "out of the game." Watching her activism throughout her life, I saw that it was ALWAYS the same "workhorses" who made things happen, until they were too old or died. Then, someone was FORCED to step up.
DDay, I think it would really help to have annual events (seminars) on leadership and what it takes to work in a leadership position within the party. I think many people would consider leadership roles if they understood (and maybe could be an apprentice for) what the jobs entail. What do you think? (I, myself, would like to understand leadership duties better. In my mother's shadow, I always felt more comfortable as a "worker bee", tho I was a delegate to the state DFL convention.)
Could the younger and other people who didn't show up this year be contacted and invited to see what leadership and participation is about? We have so many talented people in MN who could help with this (former Dean people, etc.)
DDay,
Here is the official DFL Progressive Caucus website:
http://www.rlnn.com/ArtJan05/DFLProgressiveCaucus.html
The 'Protocols' spewing arse-hat calls into all the liberal talk shows . . . Stephanie Miller battles him regularly.
Amen Richard! I never read crap into him though....I just hoped he would poop ice cream, I never got my spoon out.
President Obama is a hands-off manager and a non-existent leader. He might as well be wearing a cowboy hat and clearing brush on a faux ranch in Texas.
Thanks Quark,
From what I can tell, this is a Green Party operation. I'm specifically talking about a group of active DFL leaders/delegates to start applying pressure within the party. Hey Hey...Ho Ho...Chairman Melendez has got to go! Hey Hey Ho Ho.
See you in Duluth?
President Obama is and always was a just-right-of-the-center-of-the-road centrist. Folk used to be able to go to http://www.progressivepunch .org and review his Even Bayh-like, mediocre, wishy-washy voting record. Folk just read crap into him because they were desperate beyond belief for something different.
DDay,
Check this out:
http://justcomm.org/mn-prog-events/
L. Grace,
It is not some pet ideology! We are talking about principal over personality cults. If you want to be part of a political movement who marches in lock-step without questioning you are fishing in the wrong pond. I for one, place principal and country above party. Patriotism is served by critical assessment.
@THOM: You are incorrect. Deeds’ base did show up. They voted for McDonnell.
Deeds is a Corporate DEM. McDonnell, a recessivist Pat Robertson Republican, who lied his backside off by pretending his expressed (written) opinions were not his opinions and played to the center. The Corporate DEMs voted with the better Corporate DEM.
Richard L. Adlof
What was it that you said a few days ago... something about the democratic party being a party of centralist? I thought it was spot on.
DDay,
I'll look up and post some links...
4 Steps to Real Financial Reform
Another video link I will send to the White House and my legislators:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/#33620166
Quark,
We could try! Who is their leader? If they let me in I'll raise some dust.
OBAMA: Half measures and compromises behind closed doors = 1 term
That "straw poll" was so discouraging.
We Dems always lose because we shoot our candidates.
Who needs Rush Limbaugh when we have progressive talk show hosts who dump crap on Obama all day because he isn't perfectly living up to some pet ideology?
DDay,
There already IS a Progressive Caucus within the DFL. Can we work thru them?
America REQUIRED a Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, FDR and we got exactly what Obama actually promised. This is Clinton REDUX. Yes, things are getting done but there are dead bodies everywhere.
OBAMA: Democrats Love Corporations . . . Thirty steps backward.
Quark,
I tried to approach party leaders about "capturing" as many of the new faces which showed up at the precinct caucuses two February(s) ago. They let me spend days entering in the information gleaned that night into the party's data bank, but were not interested in advice about what to do with that information. In fact, the access to the data was promised but not made available to local units until just days before the election. The hierarchy of our State Party is firmly aligned withe DLC, DCCC factions and not with the Dean people. We perhaps need to form a progressive caucus within our party and wrest power from the hands of the corporatist members now in control.
As to Corzine...I believe he is a true progressive who if removed from the constraints of political considerations would be effective given his experience and knowledge. He owes no one anything and hopefully would welcome a chance to truly contribute to his country. His ego would hopefully compel him to really do something important and aid his legacy. I can't be sure, but, give me twenty minutes questioning and I could tell if he understood what needed to be done. Barack should be able to do so too.
I moved to the state of Virginia 8 years ago. The locals tell me that the republicans (here) will vote in the Democratic primaries, choosing the least capable candidate to run against them in the fall elections.
RADICAL RIGHT -- ARMEY TO MEET WITH AUTHOR OF TOWN HALL HARASSMENT MEMO TO PLAN PURGE OF MODERATES FROM THE GOP: The Hartford Courant reported Tuesday that former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, chairman of FreedomWorks and chief astroturf organizer, is planning to travel to Fairfield, CT on Nov. 11 for a "strategy session" with conservative activists, including Bob MacGuffie, the original author of the infamous town hall harassment strategy memo. Armey will be discussing how to scale-up the purging of moderates from the GOP, a strategy that created a national sensation in New York's 23rd congressional district. As The Progress Report first reported in late July, MacGuffie authored the now infamous memo detailing how conservative activists can successfully disrupt Democratic health care town halls. The memo was distributed through a listserv controlled by FreedomWorks, the corporate front group which organized the tea party movement earlier this year. In town hall after town hall this August, MacGuffie's strategy was used to target members of Congress who were considering supporting health care reform. Although Armey disputed his relation to the memo, both Rolling Stone and Talking Points Memo have verified that FreedomWorks staffers, like FreedomWorks Florida coordinator Tom Gaitens, control the Tea Party Patriots listserv that distributed the memo. Armey has gone so far as denying even knowing Gaitens, even though he has worked for FreedomWorks for years and can be seen in the last 10 seconds of this ABC News segment handing a microphone to Armey. Both MacGuffie and Armey are targeting Republican candidates like Sens. Lindsey Graham (SC) and Olympia Snowe (ME), Reps. Bob Inglis (SC) and Mark Kirk (IL), Gov. Charlie Crist (FL), and other Republicans who have strayed from rigid party-line positions.
-The Progress Report
AND yet the DEMs fielded two truly weak-arsed, P.o.S. candidates in the Virginia and New Jersey Governor races. Both have flipped to the party opposing the President 14 times outta the last 16 races. History could been bucked if the Democrats had just put some forethought and action into their selection process.
SEE http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2009/Senate/Maps/Nov04-s.html#1
Year President Virginia Winner New Jersey Winner Net House
2009 Barack Obama (D) Bob McDonnell (R) Chris Christie (R) ?
2005 George W. Bush (R) Tim Kaine (D) Jon Corzine (D) Dem +31
2001 George W. Bush (R) Mark Warner (D) Jim McGreevey (D) GOP +7
1997 Bill Clinton (D) Jim Gilmore (R) Christie Whitman (R) Dem +5
1993 Bill Clinton (D) George Allen (R) Christie Whitman (R) GOP +54
1989 George H.W. Bush (R) Doug Wilder (D) Jim Florio (D) Dem +7
1985 Ronald Reagan (R) Gerald Baliles (D) Tom Kean (R) Dem +5
1981 Ronald Reagan (R) Chuck Robb (D) Tom Kean (R) Dem +27
WTF! Do we hate being in power? Do we wanta be the permanent minority? Do DEMs like listening to FAUX News point to statistically highly probable events and beat the drum of Clinton/Pelosi/Obama backlash for the eight to ten months leading into the next election cycle? GRRR.
Thank you, Tim Kaine (D-Outgoing VA Governor and DNC Chairperson) . . . The DNC is now the DLC . . . AND Democrats LOVE Corporations . . . And hate to win.
Richard,
LOL. I guess it's all relative (according to Einstein, anyway.) I sort of like B Roll's assertion (yesterday?) that this could be a form of time travel, and we get a do-over! LOL
DDay,
If Summers and Geithner couldn't/wouldn't shovel out the ----, how do we know that Corzine would? 'Just asking...
DDay,
You read my mind... The question now is how can those same now-absent "new faces" be educated to understand what is at stake without their participation?
My very Republican mother headed committees and backed causes until she was nearly 80 and serious heatlh problems took her "out of the game." Watching her activism throughout her life, I saw that it was ALWAYS the same "workhorses" who made things happen, until they were too old or died. Then, someone was FORCED to step up.
DDay, I think it would really help to have annual events (seminars) on leadership and what it takes to work in a leadership position within the party. I think many people would consider leadership roles if they understood (and maybe could be an apprentice for) what the jobs entail. What do you think? (I, myself, would like to understand leadership duties better. In my mother's shadow, I always felt more comfortable as a "worker bee", tho I was a delegate to the state DFL convention.)
Could the younger and other people who didn't show up this year be contacted and invited to see what leadership and participation is about? We have so many talented people in MN who could help with this (former Dean people, etc.)