mstaggerlee, there is a saying, "To thy own self be true." I must be true to me and not to a world where, like fascist-Nazi America, gravitates toward hatred, corruption and lies.
Zachary Karabell seems like a very interesting guy. He's also very much into the "green economy".
By the way, I looked at ratings of senators at progressive punch over the weekend and Franken was tied for #1. Of course his voting record is very short.
Evidently, you are unfamiliar with "Godwin's Law". This is essentially an observation, stating that the longer a conversation goes on in an internet venue, the more likely it is that someone will compare those with whom they disagree with Nazis or Hitler, and that this is essentially the end of most such discussions. It goes back to the pre-web Usenet days, but still seems to hold true.
The updated version is that the first one to use the Nazi comparison loses the arguement.
Comparing our nation to the Third Reich will NOT bring change, Gerald - but it will, most likely, get you dismissed as a crackpot. I'd suggest you find a better analogy.
Thom....the notion that this nation was "not in any way founded upon the Christian religion" comes from the Treaty of Tripoli...the first Treaty this country signed with a foreign nation, in 1798. The Senate ratified the treat as well.
AMERICAN WINS NEW YORK CITY MARATHON FOR FIRST TIME IN OVER THREE DECADES
American marathoner Meb Keflezighi’s victory is being celebrated in the United States and in his native homeland of Eritrea.
Progressive talk radio show host Thom Hartmann says that since Keflezighi can run so far, he should run back to his homeland and leave marathoner jobs to real Americans.
Thom called for a bill requiring Congress to wear NASCAR-like patches on their clothing representing their top campaign contributors. Apparently the movie company Pixar was thinking along the same lines with the animated movie "Cars". The antagonist, Chick Hicks, carries a sponsor on his hood called "HTB". Upon closer study, "HTB" is short for "Hostile Takeover Bank". Hilarious! Just Google Chick Hicks in Cars for an image.
I heard an interview this weekend with Zachary Karabell about his latest book “Superfusion: How China and America Became One Economy and Why the World's Prosperity Depends on It”. Karabell is a pretty impressive and interesting guy. You might find this book interesting. I’m not recommending the book or his website and blog, but Bret Favre is.
Another interesting person is Elinor Ostrom who along with Oliver Williamson recently won the Nobel Prize for economics. This makes her the first woman to ever win the Nobel Prize in economics even though she’s a political scientist not an economist. Her work centers on the importance of “the commons”.
Excerpt from an article about her in the Guardian in the UK:
“The findings of her research have been striking, as the Nobel committee pointed out, because they have challenged the established assumption that common property is poorly managed unless it is either regulated by government or privatised. She has shown how disparate individuals can band together and form collectives that protect the resource at hand.”
Her work also shows how local communities can play an important role in fighting global warming by preserving the commons (i.e., nature).
Williamson won for his work on….
Excerpt from CNN article
“Williamson's work examines why large corporations tend to arise -- and why they do not -- based on the cost and complexity of transactions, according to the Nobel committee.”
and
"At some fundamental level, they are really both addressing the fundamental issue of how we create human cooperation through the design of appropriate institutions," committee member Tore Ellingsen said.”
I had the opportunity to watch “Pearl Harbor”, a three hour movie. Toward the end of the movie I heard that America grows stronger. If our WW II veterans were here, they would not say that we are growing stronger but our fascist-Nazi America does grow stronger in hatred, corruption, and lies. Our nation does not follow the Golden Rule. We follow a warped rule, “Hate them before they hate you.” Yes, we do lust to kill God’s children. This is the American way.
Our lust for killing does not help our country to grow stronger. It makes us a weak nation. We are a nation that has sold its soul to the devil. Our country’s manifest destiny is etched in history to kill God’s children. This is the fascist-Nazi American way.
Our fascist-Nazi corporate America and our fascist-Nazi politicians lust to kill off our low middle class and our middle class to have a fascist-Nazi America filled with rich people and cannon fodder Americans to fight our endless wars, to satisfy our thirst for more and more human blood, and to continue our manifest destiny in killing off God’s children.
To be a true Christian a person’s heart must be filled with love, mercy, and forgiveness.
Thom, i heard you say this morning that the $180,000 per job figure bandied about by the Oregonian and (I might add) the Statesman Journal don't tell the whole story but there is much more to it than what you said... Actually the numbers reported in the articles are deceiving. When I see a calculation like $180,000 per job saved – that is just plain silly – so I always check: Go to: http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx Oregon has received $437 million SO FAR. Divide that by 9653 jobs saved, and you get $45,313.37 per job created or saved. The “i-hate-everything-Obama-does” crowd should be willing to eat some crow. Remember how they howled that the Administration was not being transparent as promised? It should also be noted that the $45K per job figure includes the purchase of materials for construction projects. On a road repave construction project about 30% goes to payroll. On a building 18 to 24% goes to payroll. These projects: roads, educational facilities, energy efficiency improvements, waste-water treatment plants will have lasting benefits to Oregon’s people. And ARRA is only just now gearing up. By next summer we’ll see much more ARRA construction.
The year I graduated from college, the law changed requiring me to work for another 5 years as an apprentice beneath a member of the good ole boy club. I got around it by selling and teaching however, my skills in my discipline suffer from lack of experience.
Boing! Did someone say STUDENT LOANS BALL and CHAIN Hello - destroyed my emotional life these did. And everyone said, oh just keep working- hell why not put me on a slave ship in the rowing quarters...!
mstaggerlee, there is a saying, "To thy own self be true." I must be true to me and not to a world where, like fascist-Nazi America, gravitates toward hatred, corruption and lies.
mstaggerlee
DDay and I both raised this with Gerald. As I recall he described his posting philosophy as
1) To share information.
2) To shake people out of their comfort zones.
3) He says ranting like that is good therapy for him.
If that's the case #3 maybe the only one of his goals that he attains.
Quark
Zachary Karabell seems like a very interesting guy. He's also very much into the "green economy".
By the way, I looked at ratings of senators at progressive punch over the weekend and Franken was tied for #1. Of course his voting record is very short.
Franken Forces Truth on Healthcare Reform Hearing Witness
'Just thought this was a fun clip ('wish I could have said that):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgqqSHr0wVA&feature=player_embedded
@Gerald Socha -
Evidently, you are unfamiliar with "Godwin's Law". This is essentially an observation, stating that the longer a conversation goes on in an internet venue, the more likely it is that someone will compare those with whom they disagree with Nazis or Hitler, and that this is essentially the end of most such discussions. It goes back to the pre-web Usenet days, but still seems to hold true.
The updated version is that the first one to use the Nazi comparison loses the arguement.
Comparing our nation to the Third Reich will NOT bring change, Gerald - but it will, most likely, get you dismissed as a crackpot. I'd suggest you find a better analogy.
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Common Dreams
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Ron Paul tweaks Michael Moore on capitalism, still agrees with himhttp://rawstory.com/2009/11/ron-paul-corrects-michael-moore-capitalism-agrees/
Thom....the notion that this nation was "not in any way founded upon the Christian religion" comes from the Treaty of Tripoli...the first Treaty this country signed with a foreign nation, in 1798. The Senate ratified the treat as well.
AMERICAN WINS NEW YORK CITY MARATHON FOR FIRST TIME IN OVER THREE DECADES
American marathoner Meb Keflezighi’s victory is being celebrated in the United States and in his native homeland of Eritrea.
Progressive talk radio show host Thom Hartmann says that since Keflezighi can run so far, he should run back to his homeland and leave marathoner jobs to real Americans.
B Roll,
'Sounds fascinating --- I will investigate the people you mentioned.
Thom called for a bill requiring Congress to wear NASCAR-like patches on their clothing representing their top campaign contributors. Apparently the movie company Pixar was thinking along the same lines with the animated movie "Cars". The antagonist, Chick Hicks, carries a sponsor on his hood called "HTB". Upon closer study, "HTB" is short for "Hostile Takeover Bank". Hilarious! Just Google Chick Hicks in Cars for an image.
Thom
I heard an interview this weekend with Zachary Karabell about his latest book “Superfusion: How China and America Became One Economy and Why the World's Prosperity Depends on It”. Karabell is a pretty impressive and interesting guy. You might find this book interesting. I’m not recommending the book or his website and blog, but Bret Favre is.
Another interesting person is Elinor Ostrom who along with Oliver Williamson recently won the Nobel Prize for economics. This makes her the first woman to ever win the Nobel Prize in economics even though she’s a political scientist not an economist. Her work centers on the importance of “the commons”.
Excerpt from an article about her in the Guardian in the UK:
“The findings of her research have been striking, as the Nobel committee pointed out, because they have challenged the established assumption that common property is poorly managed unless it is either regulated by government or privatised. She has shown how disparate individuals can band together and form collectives that protect the resource at hand.”
Her work also shows how local communities can play an important role in fighting global warming by preserving the commons (i.e., nature).
Williamson won for his work on….
Excerpt from CNN article
“Williamson's work examines why large corporations tend to arise -- and why they do not -- based on the cost and complexity of transactions, according to the Nobel committee.”
and
"At some fundamental level, they are really both addressing the fundamental issue of how we create human cooperation through the design of appropriate institutions," committee member Tore Ellingsen said.”
David Ricardo
An Essay on Profits
1815
http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/ricardo/profits.txt
@LOUISE: Can we get this rant transcribed and up on the website?
Modern History Sourcebook:
David Ricardo:
The Iron Law of Wages, 1817
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/ricardo-wages.html
Presidential lawbreaking!
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/11/01/state_secre...
Pearl Harbor
I had the opportunity to watch “Pearl Harbor”, a three hour movie. Toward the end of the movie I heard that America grows stronger. If our WW II veterans were here, they would not say that we are growing stronger but our fascist-Nazi America does grow stronger in hatred, corruption, and lies. Our nation does not follow the Golden Rule. We follow a warped rule, “Hate them before they hate you.” Yes, we do lust to kill God’s children. This is the American way.
Our lust for killing does not help our country to grow stronger. It makes us a weak nation. We are a nation that has sold its soul to the devil. Our country’s manifest destiny is etched in history to kill God’s children. This is the fascist-Nazi American way.
Our fascist-Nazi corporate America and our fascist-Nazi politicians lust to kill off our low middle class and our middle class to have a fascist-Nazi America filled with rich people and cannon fodder Americans to fight our endless wars, to satisfy our thirst for more and more human blood, and to continue our manifest destiny in killing off God’s children.
To be a true Christian a person’s heart must be filled with love, mercy, and forgiveness.
Thom, i heard you say this morning that the $180,000 per job figure bandied about by the Oregonian and (I might add) the Statesman Journal don't tell the whole story but there is much more to it than what you said... Actually the numbers reported in the articles are deceiving. When I see a calculation like $180,000 per job saved – that is just plain silly – so I always check: Go to: http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx Oregon has received $437 million SO FAR. Divide that by 9653 jobs saved, and you get $45,313.37 per job created or saved. The “i-hate-everything-Obama-does” crowd should be willing to eat some crow. Remember how they howled that the Administration was not being transparent as promised? It should also be noted that the $45K per job figure includes the purchase of materials for construction projects. On a road repave construction project about 30% goes to payroll. On a building 18 to 24% goes to payroll. These projects: roads, educational facilities, energy efficiency improvements, waste-water treatment plants will have lasting benefits to Oregon’s people. And ARRA is only just now gearing up. By next summer we’ll see much more ARRA construction.
Hi Thom!
The quote you butchered is actually from Upton Sinclair:
“If is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it”
Best,
Fab
The year I graduated from college, the law changed requiring me to work for another 5 years as an apprentice beneath a member of the good ole boy club. I got around it by selling and teaching however, my skills in my discipline suffer from lack of experience.
NOTHING is better than Joe Leiberman.
Mind you Israel has single payer.............
THX for the link Quark - a good one to Twitter to the Whitehouse as well.
Help out today! Money Bomb for Alan Grayson
https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/congressmanwithguts?refcode=n...
or http://salsa.mydccc.org/o/30019/t/17/content.jsp?content_KEY=13
Boing! Did someone say STUDENT LOANS BALL and CHAIN Hello - destroyed my emotional life these did. And everyone said, oh just keep working- hell why not put me on a slave ship in the rowing quarters...!