Dr Econ -- How old are you? Bernie and I share the same birth year. When was economics ever required in high school?

Ou812 -- Are you trying to make me sad? Van Halen would never do that.

I still wish you guys could get your head around how great it would be for Obama to pardon Cheney, W, Paul Bremmer etc. The prez has that kingly power to pardon people. He should pardon them of the most horrible crimes he can come up with. I don't think anything can stand in his way which is the reason this idea is so great.

Short story, part 1:

I arrived in USA during 2nd grade, with no notion of indigenous prejudice, from a country where the richest skin tones were those of Romani without tans.

Once here, Angela and I together daily walked home from school, at first because her home was on the way to mine. We became friends.

One evening I heard on the radio that "negroes would rather be called blacks."

So the next day I innocently and ignorantly hailed Angela with "hello, Black!"

Day after that as we reached her home she invited me to step inside and meet her family. Angela said that her sister's name is [I don't remember], her mother's name is [again, drawing a blank] and her father's name is [likewise]. "None of our names is Black."

Life lesson and a half!

(Parts 2 through 4, involving other individuals, are less inspiring.)

"Free trade was actually invented by the EIC as a means to get involved in India circa 17 century"

That's a mighty silly thing to say. You might be able the term was coined in a particular time and place, but even then wikki places it in 16th Spain. The whole attempt seems absurd.

I think thom is right, there truly is still a race war going on. And it's not as easy as saying that it's Democrat or Republican against race one way or another. It is simply the elliete waging war on the poor, and because we as a society still agknowledge race as an issue, they feed off of it to cause dissention in the ranks of the majority of the American people. They purposely cause and incurage dissection amongst us to hide their true agenda. We still see race as an issue so they still use it.

I don't care what color you are, economically their is only one black and white, it's the rich, against everyone else. And they are winning, because of our stupid failings like racism, and prejudice. That's what we need to stop first. I can point to men and women of all races I have met and I can show you good people and I can show you shitty people, it doesn't matter what color you are guys, we are all in the shit together. Let's look to ourselves first and end this racist, pregudist bullshit before we Fuck around and hand the elliete what they truly want.

To give them both the power and justification to Take the world back to feudalism, so that they can be the lords, and we, the pessents......

I kill you with truth!!!!!
Kara

Thom...

Excellent show ..Ari Rabin-Havt and Richard Eskow.

Acronyms up th' gump!
TPA, TAA, TPP and even TISH--all of which are so termed and
abbreviated to keep us all in the dark about what they entail and go to implement.

Actually World Corporatist Governance ..but see 'Neuromancer', the book.

Watched it twice..just to get my head around all the letters and the good
stuff your two contributors brought to the table.

Two T(h)oms...you and Englehardt...good stuff, right thinking

thnx!

jamesT. MD/Montana

Very well said kilo. What I don't understand is why is racial discrimination only a black problem. There are many other minority's that all seem to get along just fine.

I don't know.........I grew up in a city, grew up in the areas where there were always black kids, lots of black kids, lots of asian kids, not many mexican kids in those days. Went to high schook in what would have to be called a black ghetto.......I think they said the high school was half black. Went in the service where there were tons of black dudes. Most people claimed the black race was more than amply represented in the military.......I know one thing the black cadre were definitely good at what they did. I was always fascinated with the black race, trying to get to know them. It wasn't easy to do actually. If you were white, and I was. I am still white, and black people are still black. What I took away from it..........for the most part white people are terrified of black people, and for good reason.........black people are very good at winning..........and I am pretty sure if the deck wasn't so heavily stacked against thme, well they would have taken over a long time ago. My grandmother had a black lady work for her..........she was without doubt the best cook ever.........I am 68 now and I have seen nothing come close to her. I remember trying to get to know black dudes in the service.......they couldn't get away from me, and I couldn't get away from them........the service was more of a level playing field seemed to me, you were in you were in black and white.........but even then the black dudes stayed separate and the white dudes stayed separate. Because I had grown up with black people always around, played everything you can think of with them, but mostly raised hell with em, I was always alright with black people. But I knew white people were afraid of them. They should be I suppose. I know as I learned more and more about the history, but more important, how things actually worked.........it was easy enough to see why black people might have an ax to grind, as grandpa might say. But they really didn't. I don't think the black people ever really understood just how much they terrified white people. Its like walking around with grizzly bears, which I did a lot of too.........you, the bears, and you wonder how come the bears don't know they could have my lunch anytime they want it, but they don't. Same for black people. When we all got done with Viet Nam, we all came back, white and black..........and many of the white guys wondered, what are they waiting for, why don't they just take it, they can. I am beginning to understand why now. Life is more important to black people. Black people are not willing to sacrifice their daily life just to deal with white people. And besides that they can cook, that they can do music, that they absolutely rule sports, all that............and much more, but all that, it may turn out that compared to that the black mans intrinsic sense of moral and ethical reality, if that reality exists at all, well it might just be the case that black people are more intune with it somehow, they order their lives in a more fundamental moral and ethical kind of illumination, at a much more meaningful level, thus that which is life, for black people, has a natural order to it, a balance, a way........that black people understand easier, have more confience in, so they are not afriad, well they are afraid, but not the irrational fear white people have of blacks. As for why the white cops shoot black people well I hate to say it, but they are terrified of that unknowable nature a black man has and understands, and white dudes, well it is like the compass dropped out of the control panel...........and the gyro still is spinning away, but no guidance control.........but the black dude, he knows, he has no doubt what to do.........if he cares about it.........and that is where life comes in, life is just so vital to a black man, he can't leave it alone, maybe, I don't know, I ain't black. But I think it might very well turn out that black people have a more well established familiarity with that compass, that moral and ethical bearing, no big deal to the black man, it just is that way............kind of like a dog knows how to be a dog, a black dude just knows how to be a black dude. White guys, man are they confused on life. So, I spent a lot of time trying to get at the crux of the matter, why the big deal black and white, I spent a lot of time talking about it with black men, I waited I watched.........I tried to suppose that I would engage with the black guys that had two things going on, one, the other black dudes respected them and treated them with a kind of even tempered ordinary balanced respect, and, two, the black guy they respected and behaved well around was himself not all that concerned about anything..........he seemed to naturally know his way, had stature, because something about his fundamental self telegraphed that he was solid, in every way. I would find them, and just come right out with it, what is the deal, what is the trip about black and white. We never really nailed it, never could actually find that connecting thread.........black people were black and white people were white, they are different somehow, and the black people are okay with it..............the white people well I am not so sure.........I think that at some molecular level white people are just afraid of black people, and the white people do the damedest things trying to hide it maybe, deal with it somehow, so weirdly this makes white people very dangerous to black people, and black people might do well to realize that.........they scare the shit out of white people, and so maybe they should go easier on them, just sayin'..............So after all the conversation with the main black dude, one fine day, this particularly straight black guy, and I, ended the conversation, he said, "so what do you call a black guy when you and your white friends are up late, on a weekend, drinking a little, smokin and playing poker?"...........I said, I can't remember if I was disturbed by the question or not, but it disturbs me now, but I remember being suddenly not finding words so easy, maybe because it was so obvious what the answer would be at least a large part of the time........it would be some derogatory term, but then it was a derogatory term for everyone........well anyhow he worked me through it, let it slide for a minute, and he went on to explain that was the problem.........there was this consistent barrier, a block, that in fact the black guy didn't want to let is slide, he did because he was civilized and understood. But what did he understand.........that white people just didn't know how to act, that white people were not ready to be real human beings just yet............I don't know, we went on smokin, thinking about it wandering around the hall ways of earnest consideration, and nothing come of it right then and there, but I parted last thing I asked was, "so when I am at that poker game, what can I call a black man"........he told me, and I make a point of it when the time comes, a black man is fine. There were a lot of derogatory terms for white dudes that black dudes use, and we went over that too.........which I found weird because they all seemed so ridiculous, how could anyone really think a word was somehow going to have the everylasting power, it was just a word, had no power. Oh well, people are strange. But now looking back I remember one word I like to use to declare the individual I was talking about was a black dude, was the exprssion he was a "blood".........I never knew where that came from and I never actually understood why anyone knew what I meant, but they seemed to well enough........somehow that word seemed like a "cool" alternative to other words. Maybe someday I will find out where the term comes from and what it is suppose to mean. My sense of it was the term was originally a black term for a black person, and you had to be black to use it. But there was always lots of that, and I will never be black..........same for Russians, they try to be patient, understanding, but in the end your just not Russian, nothing perosnel, but your not................so maybe the white guys need to get over it, your white, you are never going to be black, you can't have that, it's okay, yes the black guys can do everything better than you, its just how it is, embrace it, you don't need to prove it wrong or right, it just is, some are black, some are not. But there is one thing that is crystal clear at this point...........you tolerate injustice to your fellow man, black or white, you don't stand up and call for the correction............guess who is next, you is.........catch ya later Craig

Want to know what 'marginalized" means? The great majority of our poor are white, and live in those vast spaces between cities. Many live in abject poverty, some die, all struggle. There are virtually no resources for them, no options. There's no way to move forward. Black people think they don't exist. White people pretend they don't. Funny thing about this generation: The US shipped out a massive number of jobs since the 1980s, ended actual poverty relief in the 1990s, and insists that "there is no excuse" for being jobless, poor.

In the cities, the majority of homeless poor are white. It has been "open season" on our homeless for years, as they've been beaten, even killed, by citizens and police alike. This doesn't result in liberal outrage, or people marching in the streets. After all, the victim was "just some homeless guy."

yep.

no vote

"Using Wikipedia as reference is a good way for people not to believe anything you say. Wikipedia is the same place that had Paul Revere fighting for the British. "

There is always the exception that proves the rule.