If the US was serious about ending terrorism, they could stop participating in it, but that's using reason and that ain't allowed.
Why doesn't the President go to the UN with a proposal to regulate and control the allocation of munitions? A multilateral proposal that all the world's weapon and ammunition manufactures submit their inventories and sales to the UN or a agreed upon regulatory body; including the producers of raw materials need in the manufacture of weapons and ammunition. Starve these terrorist groups of ammunition and re-armaments.
I know the answer already, but that's just one way of fighting terror that doesn't require US military intervention.
The Teapublicans have no problem with wasting trillions on endless/pointless war.....which is exactly what the 'terrorists" want! Then simultaneously these same Teapublican Jackasses are calling for cuts to Social Security....... That's Merica by Jesus!
This is why WAR IS OBSOLETE! War on the cheap won't work! After WW-2 we had the money to pay for TOTAL WAR and the REBUILDING because we had a top tax bracket of 90%! So now the really rich aren't going to give up their tax cuts to do it right So maybe we should be smart and not waste any more LIVES that only piss people off and don't do anything beneficial. OH! and it might be the moral thing to do.
chuckle8 - I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt given your accounting terms (i.e., revenue is actually recorded as a "credit' and an expenditure is recorded as a "debit"). None of those terms means anything because it has no real effect on how The Federal Gov't creates dollars. If taxes fell to $0 the Federal Gov't would still be able to pay its bills because the law says so and you and I and every person in our country believes in the dollar.
The US created this problem by recklessly removing the only stabilizing factor that existed in Iraq--Saddam Hussein. That cultivated the quagmire that exists today. We have two choices. We can back the hell out and let the natives of the region work out their own problems. Or, we could build and maintain a permanent military presence in the region. If we do the latter, not only will we be under constant attack and perceived as invaders--which clearly we would be--the effort would cost this country a King's ransom. In the end, we would not be successful. We could never leave without the inevitable vacuum of chaos ensuing. Therefore, the only logical solution is to stay out and let the native people settle their own business their own way.
The region needs it's own indigenous centralizing force. They're on their way to create such a force. The REAL problem is that in the new paradigm there is not going to be any room for US multinational corporations to rob and pillage the national resources of the country with impunity. THAT is the REAL THREAT Obama and his owners are concerned about. They don't give a crap about the people. They never have and they never will. Remember, this isn't the only country on the planet with mass slaughter and genocide. However, that is what you'd think if you just watch FOX News.
How is it possible that the same level of abhorent behavior exist among so called Christians in Christian societies. The etrocities in war are perpetually equal. All is fair in War ! Ane we do it as well. Ever seen the after effects of napalm ? We are in a perpetual war that has been brewing as a result of our sticking our big fat nose where it does not belong since after WW II. Make orphans and widows and you establish groups like ISIS. The Knot heads who invaded Iraq will go down in history as making the biggest strategic military blunder since George Armstrong Custer, and how many years did it take for the truth to be revealed about that effing idiot ? While we are busy exhausting our military resources and tireing the public with war other potential enemies like Russia and China are quietly observing our mistakes. Brilliant !
You seem to forget THEN, what you are "remembering" was preceded by a war which completely destroyed the militaries of both countries, as well as their entire industrial infrastructure which we then occupied by military force, prosecuted their war criminals, and maintained a military presence and influence to the present day. ( directly, as well as through NATO + SEATO )
If, ISIL, Al Quaeda, Taliban have no connection to Islam, how is it possible that they exist in countries that are dominated by Islam?
This question poses the same type of conundrum as, if there are actually "good cops", and "prosecutors", how is it possible that there are any bad cops?
You will, of course, keep repeating this nonsense because you "love your job" and you will have it "forever" because you suck at it......although I hear RT television is under attack so maybe not. ( your kindergarten progressivism 101 is worse than nothing at all and until you abandon your reverence for the historical myths that compromise your understanding of the founding of this nation you will impress as many people as Oakly Tyler among the pines, which is to say very few, if any.)
Civilization is in the process of failing AGAIN, for the LAST TIME....will you go out wimpering as it does????
Totally agree, Thom. As I like to say when someone says we need to destroy ISIS militarily, "You're never going to 'defeat ISIS' with your bombs, your drones, your coalition, your spies.... because the only way to defeat an idea, is with a better idea."
Kipopp -- Transfer is not the only way to connect the dots. You seem to imply that it is the only way and because the federal government does not connect the dots that way we do not have to pay taxes.
First of all, thank you so much, Thom Hartmann, for all you do and all you are. You never stop, even when understanding that the golden rule is the ones who own the gold, rule. This HSBC criminal activity is so vile, but they have the gold. No wonder man created a heaven...there has to be something better. One day millions will see and perhaps finally mean that "we are not going to take it anymore". But the way Americans vote (when they do vote) Republican makes me see little hope in what's left of democracy in this once glorious country. That's when leaders like you make me continue.
The Constitution does not say we can't shoot anyone without Congressional approval. War and peace are not defined, thereby providing the mother of all loopholes.
Banksters may view themselves as "Master of the Universe", but they are actually more like bloody "Monsters of the Universe" (crooks and extorionists). When their EU debt-based monetary system finally collapses (as predicted), those mega-banks will disappear and many of their executives may end up in jail (as rightly happened in Iceland).
The deal with banks is kind of like the deal with guns. You know, "guns don't kill people, people kill people ". Well people with guns do kill people. Well, Banks don't break the law, people who work in the banks break the law. A bank is just a building that doesn't do anything just like a gun doesn't do anything until people get involved. Fineing a bank 10 million dollars is like a cop fineing someone for speeding $1. That's not much of a deterant. When banks are fined, it's considered just a cost of doing business. If the profit from the crime outweighs the cost of the fine the bankers will keep doing the crime. When bankers are imprisoned for their crimes and barred from working in the banking industry ever again, other bankers will take notice and will obey the law so they don't go to jail too. They will consult a lawyer before doing anything questionable. Fineing banks and bankers is just stupid. They're in the money business and they have a lot of money. It seems like fineing banks is just for show, like, "see, we're cracking down on the banks". Fineing banks and not jailing the people in the banks who are commiting the crimes is just helping these criminals to keep doing what they're doing.
This is so sad for us, we are so used to this abuse from corporations and banks, not even this "rallies the troops" to get off our asses and do something.
I guess we deserve what we get. Think Germany in the 30's, Hitler and the brown shirts were known about and everyone either didn't care or looked away. Well guess what we're doing now ?
Let's not waste our time getting angry if we'll do nothing to change what's happening.
Write, call, let our politicians know we'll hold them accountable if they ignore us.
Elizabeth Warren is now our chance to make change for the better, she is making so many waves and worrying just the type of folks we're looking to hold responsible.
This is a battle for hearts and minds, not bodies and souls.
If the US was serious about ending terrorism, they could stop participating in it, but that's using reason and that ain't allowed.
Why doesn't the President go to the UN with a proposal to regulate and control the allocation of munitions? A multilateral proposal that all the world's weapon and ammunition manufactures submit their inventories and sales to the UN or a agreed upon regulatory body; including the producers of raw materials need in the manufacture of weapons and ammunition. Starve these terrorist groups of ammunition and re-armaments.
I know the answer already, but that's just one way of fighting terror that doesn't require US military intervention.
The Teapublicans have no problem with wasting trillions on endless/pointless war.....which is exactly what the 'terrorists" want! Then simultaneously these same Teapublican Jackasses are calling for cuts to Social Security....... That's Merica by Jesus!
This is why WAR IS OBSOLETE! War on the cheap won't work! After WW-2 we had the money to pay for TOTAL WAR and the REBUILDING because we had a top tax bracket of 90%! So now the really rich aren't going to give up their tax cuts to do it right So maybe we should be smart and not waste any more LIVES that only piss people off and don't do anything beneficial. OH! and it might be the moral thing to do.
NAH! It's just too expensive!
chuckle8 - I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt given your accounting terms (i.e., revenue is actually recorded as a "credit' and an expenditure is recorded as a "debit"). None of those terms means anything because it has no real effect on how The Federal Gov't creates dollars. If taxes fell to $0 the Federal Gov't would still be able to pay its bills because the law says so and you and I and every person in our country believes in the dollar.
The US created this problem by recklessly removing the only stabilizing factor that existed in Iraq--Saddam Hussein. That cultivated the quagmire that exists today. We have two choices. We can back the hell out and let the natives of the region work out their own problems. Or, we could build and maintain a permanent military presence in the region. If we do the latter, not only will we be under constant attack and perceived as invaders--which clearly we would be--the effort would cost this country a King's ransom. In the end, we would not be successful. We could never leave without the inevitable vacuum of chaos ensuing. Therefore, the only logical solution is to stay out and let the native people settle their own business their own way.
The region needs it's own indigenous centralizing force. They're on their way to create such a force. The REAL problem is that in the new paradigm there is not going to be any room for US multinational corporations to rob and pillage the national resources of the country with impunity. THAT is the REAL THREAT Obama and his owners are concerned about. They don't give a crap about the people. They never have and they never will. Remember, this isn't the only country on the planet with mass slaughter and genocide. However, that is what you'd think if you just watch FOX News.
How is it possible that the same level of abhorent behavior exist among so called Christians in Christian societies. The etrocities in war are perpetually equal. All is fair in War ! Ane we do it as well. Ever seen the after effects of napalm ? We are in a perpetual war that has been brewing as a result of our sticking our big fat nose where it does not belong since after WW II. Make orphans and widows and you establish groups like ISIS. The Knot heads who invaded Iraq will go down in history as making the biggest strategic military blunder since George Armstrong Custer, and how many years did it take for the truth to be revealed about that effing idiot ? While we are busy exhausting our military resources and tireing the public with war other potential enemies like Russia and China are quietly observing our mistakes. Brilliant !
That was THEN, this is NOW!!!!!!
You seem to forget THEN, what you are "remembering" was preceded by a war which completely destroyed the militaries of both countries, as well as their entire industrial infrastructure which we then occupied by military force, prosecuted their war criminals, and maintained a military presence and influence to the present day. ( directly, as well as through NATO + SEATO )
If, ISIL, Al Quaeda, Taliban have no connection to Islam, how is it possible that they exist in countries that are dominated by Islam?
This question poses the same type of conundrum as, if there are actually "good cops", and "prosecutors", how is it possible that there are any bad cops?
You will, of course, keep repeating this nonsense because you "love your job" and you will have it "forever" because you suck at it......although I hear RT television is under attack so maybe not. ( your kindergarten progressivism 101 is worse than nothing at all and until you abandon your reverence for the historical myths that compromise your understanding of the founding of this nation you will impress as many people as Oakly Tyler among the pines, which is to say very few, if any.)
Civilization is in the process of failing AGAIN, for the LAST TIME....will you go out wimpering as it does????
Totally agree, Thom. As I like to say when someone says we need to destroy ISIS militarily, "You're never going to 'defeat ISIS' with your bombs, your drones, your coalition, your spies.... because the only way to defeat an idea, is with a better idea."
Monsanto's powerful climb brought to us by Mitt Romney.
I understand where you are coming from. But there is an old adage, "It's hard to drain the swamp when your up to your neck in aligators."
Kipopp -- Transfer is not the only way to connect the dots. You seem to imply that it is the only way and because the federal government does not connect the dots that way we do not have to pay taxes.
No one is going to jail as long as they pay their protection dues.... I mean fines. If you're going to scam the public, the government wants it's cut.
What do I think we should do about HSBC???
Well, to borrow an idea from the late George Carlin... Public, upside down Crucifixions is a good place to start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
First of all, thank you so much, Thom Hartmann, for all you do and all you are. You never stop, even when understanding that the golden rule is the ones who own the gold, rule. This HSBC criminal activity is so vile, but they have the gold. No wonder man created a heaven...there has to be something better. One day millions will see and perhaps finally mean that "we are not going to take it anymore". But the way Americans vote (when they do vote) Republican makes me see little hope in what's left of democracy in this once glorious country. That's when leaders like you make me continue.
The email joking about Canada having plans to invade the U.S. probably meant "Thickes" as Alan and Robin Thicke.
Korea was divided at the end of WW2 as it was retaken from Japan.
The Constitution does not say we can't shoot anyone without Congressional approval. War and peace are not defined, thereby providing the mother of all loopholes.
"When will we lock up the banksters?" Thom asks. Not while Obama is in office. - AIW
Banksters may view themselves as "Master of the Universe", but they are actually more like bloody "Monsters of the Universe" (crooks and extorionists). When their EU debt-based monetary system finally collapses (as predicted), those mega-banks will disappear and many of their executives may end up in jail (as rightly happened in Iceland).
The US needs to get over its malicious puritanical prudishness. A slut is a healthy, well adjusted woman.
Roland
Why does anyone care what that moron says?
Roland
The deal with banks is kind of like the deal with guns. You know, "guns don't kill people, people kill people ". Well people with guns do kill people. Well, Banks don't break the law, people who work in the banks break the law. A bank is just a building that doesn't do anything just like a gun doesn't do anything until people get involved. Fineing a bank 10 million dollars is like a cop fineing someone for speeding $1. That's not much of a deterant. When banks are fined, it's considered just a cost of doing business. If the profit from the crime outweighs the cost of the fine the bankers will keep doing the crime. When bankers are imprisoned for their crimes and barred from working in the banking industry ever again, other bankers will take notice and will obey the law so they don't go to jail too. They will consult a lawyer before doing anything questionable. Fineing banks and bankers is just stupid. They're in the money business and they have a lot of money. It seems like fineing banks is just for show, like, "see, we're cracking down on the banks". Fineing banks and not jailing the people in the banks who are commiting the crimes is just helping these criminals to keep doing what they're doing.
Did you know that penalties that banks and corporations pay is, TAX DEDUCTIBLE in the U.S. ?
Funny (really very sad), they steal from us then we pay them for doing it.
This is so sad for us, we are so used to this abuse from corporations and banks, not even this "rallies the troops" to get off our asses and do something.
I guess we deserve what we get. Think Germany in the 30's, Hitler and the brown shirts were known about and everyone either didn't care or looked away. Well guess what we're doing now ?
Let's not waste our time getting angry if we'll do nothing to change what's happening.
Write, call, let our politicians know we'll hold them accountable if they ignore us.
Elizabeth Warren is now our chance to make change for the better, she is making so many waves and worrying just the type of folks we're looking to hold responsible.