Thom are going to take up the challenge or do you know you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to the democRATs.

It's OK jsut through in the towel you know theres no hope for these RATS. Join us in taking over the Greens we could really use your help.

PLEASE SEE MY RESPONSE FROM YESTERDAY!!

Hobbies, First of all, please use spell check, Second, where do you get Clinton's net worth? He is worth about $35~$38m depending on where you get your information, Nothing spectacular in this day and age. Think in terms of sports or entertainment personalities. I am speaking for myself, no one else. I don't get where you are coming from. I ilke Bernie Sanders, who do you like? What do you think of Republicans? Surely Decomrats aren't the only rats in the trap. I support Democrats, with varying degrees of enthusiasm. I can't support any Republicans, especially the newer Tea Party types. Like it or not, we have a choice of two parties with a chance of winning public office. Neither perfect, both corrupt to varying degrees. Ralph Nader is not a viable option, Debate him for what practical purpose? Who provides the best foundation to build on? For the average person, the Democratic party is built on the bedrock of Social Security, Medicare, worker's and civil rights. The Republicans are built on a foundation of quicksand. Hop on with them and you are going down fast.

Is Thom the lefts Rush

Russell your argument is almost has dishonest has Thoms survey. People are not being arrested for for their depts they are being arrested for not showing up for court. Which probably explains why most of these people didn't pay their bills in the first place. If you beleive in the rule of law and you are a responsible person You show up for your court dates period. Next to clintons wealth during the 2008 primaries when Clinton finally released his tax records it was report by all the major news agencies that he had earned over $100,000,000.00 dollars since leaving the white house. Let me get this strate someone that claims to be socially progressive (support for Sanders PS Sanders is not a democrat) thinks that we should compare a former president with entertainers) please explain. My point is that if you look at Clinton's record he was more right wing then Eisenhower or Nixon(even the man you follow blindly Thom has mentioned this repeatedly) but to sheep that follow blindly I guess it doen't matter what the people you follow do it only matters that they tell you their on your side (sounds tribal to me "BA,BA"). Sir has for who do I follow? I'm no republican and anyone who read my posting can clearly see I am no sheep I question thouse that say they are progressive just has hard if not harder then the opposition. Following blindly is how we got where we are today. The democrats have had has a party platform for years that universal medicare was there gole, well were is it. Thats OK though because people like you will continue to follow blindly. Has to your question who do I support? I support no one blindly and when I do support someone in an election I expect them to follow through on their promises and if they don't my supports stops and I look for someone else. To your point that we have a two party sytem and it can't be changed I feel for you man that your immagination is so weak. If new parties can be created in parliamentary countries like Canada and Australia and you know our system was started with no parties it's easier to start a third party in America then just about anywhere else this argument that you cannot have a third party is just another way to force you to vote for corporate interest or get you not to vote at all. I refuse to be beaten so easily I guess you don't have the stomach for true reform and you must be happy with the way things have been going the last thirty years. True change will take more then one election but I guess your looking for instant solutions hows that working out for you? By the way I have noticed that when people don't have have good responses during debates or arguments they often go on tangents where they either look to attack the person rather then the idea. This seems to be what your doing with your attack on my spelling(most messages I have seen here have errors and I am new at using this service and looked for the spell check, I was not able to find it so instead of taking cheap shots let me know were I can find it) and trying to bring in the Tee party A bunch of right sheep that lack the ability to understand they are fighting against their own best interest(I feel sorry for them almost has much has I do for you and others on the left that don't get that staying with the democrats has the same effect). Has to your point about we have the democratic party to thank for SSN and Medicare you are partly write only. I thank the people more then a political party and over the last thirty years only a democrat has reduced payroll taxes thereby helping to destroy it quicker. Just Like glass segal could only be gotten rid of by a democrat only social security can be destroyed by a democrat. The reasons should be self evident but incase you don't get it think of it this way. The most dangerous enemy is not the one you think is your enemy but the one you think is your friend. Has for workers writes where are the democrats and this president when it come to supporting workers in Wisconson and Michigan has well has other state where workers are under attack. The president during the election said if he saw workers right under attack he would march with them. Well where is he and the rest of the party leadership nowhere. Again say one thing do the opposite. I did not leave the democrats they left me, they sold out and will do worse damage to progressive progress in this country then the republicans could ever do because we know the GOP is the enemy and will fight them But with followers like you this party will have no resistance to putting corporate interest ahead of the peoples interest. The only way to go down faster then supporting the GOP is supporting the Democrats. I for one will continue to fight for progressive progress in this country but I will not waiste my time money or energy on a party that betrays us everytime.

Hobby, I don't see anywhere in my writing that indicates I blindly follow the Democrats. Bernie Sanders is an Independent who caucuses with the Democrats. It is the philosophy I am trying to convey to you. Look at the Tea Party. In twenty years, they are going to be a blip on the screen of history.The average citizen today never heard of the "Bull Moose" party. Think Ross Perot. Think John Anderson. Here is an analogy: You don't like your car. It's not trustworthy and you keep putting money in it and not getting the dependability you want. Your solution is to build a new car from scratch. It can be done, but requires a huge number of talented people and resources. After all that, you still might not get the car you want. Wouldn't it be better to work from within and rebuild what you have to your specifications? In the Democrats you have a good foundation. Sherrod Brown, Russ Feingold, Anthony Weiner, Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, and scores of others. That is a great foundation to begin with. If you want to start a third party, who would you begin with that have better credentials than the above? One major thing you have to consider. Real lefties are really only about 20% of the population. You need another 31% or 40% in the Senate to get programs through Congress . Even if you can build an ultra left coalition, it would be impossible to get a 50%~60% plurality. I don't know how old you are or where you are from. I'm an old Vietnam Vet and have been around a long time. If you don't like my advice now, print it out and save it. Bring it out twenty years from now and see where we are as a country. BTW: I'm sorry, your grammar and spelling make your writings difficult to read. Maybe you can type in a word processor and paste it in here.

The first Federal Bankruptcy law was passed in 1800 as a bailout to Robert Morris, who had been part of a massive swindle in New York State which had basically defrauded patriotic American militia and Continental Soldiers of land promised them and then tried to sell it at a profit -- generating a real estate bubble which collapsed and sent him to debtors prison. The first sources I read said that he was let out of jail because of that law. Now I'm reading another one that says he died in prison in 1806. He was a scoundrel and belonged in prison for his crimes, although he also was a signer of the declaration of independence and created a giant pirate navy that fought off the British (for profit of course). The more I read about Robert Morris, Govourneur Morris, and the other scoundrels and patriots of that time the less I'm convinced that either our Constitution or our form of government are sacred documents that might not stand some tweeking.

http://wordnuggets.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/debtors-prison-robert-morris/