Daily Topics - Thursday February 11th 2010
By Louise
Quote: Humans remain entirely atmosphere dependent, so there is no choice but to respond to extreme climatic behaviour and its many effects -- Peter Garrett
Hour One - Does Mr. Coleman wish to apologize to Arkansas's holocaust survivors? (stem cell) Curtis Coleman, GOP Candidate for U.S. Senate running against Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) www.curtiscoleman.com
Hour Two - Isn't using the DC snow storms to debunk global warming the real Snowmagedon? William Yeatman www.cei.org
Plus... Bill McKibben www.350.org - Blizzards and global climate change
Hour Three - Carrie Lukas www.iwf.org - Male domination has brought us 7 years of war, isn't it time to try something else? Norway is demanding 40% of all Corporate Boards be woman and Carrie disagrees.
Plus....Professor Herb Boyd calls in from Haiti where he just met with the President of Haiti Rene Preval www.freespeech.org
Comments
#2
But THOM, the use of the CarbonArgument to promote Nuke Fission Heat Reactor Plants (aka nukular energy) and clean coal and GMO crops no-till looks more suspicious all the time. Demonizing carbon isn't getting us ANYWHERE but a world filled with subsidized nuke plants, more coal, GMOs and the rich getting richer by playing a shell game with carbon bargaining chips! The CarbonArgument looks more like the distraction used by a pair of pickpockets: One guy bumps you (Look at the carbon!) while the other guy lifts your wallet (give us those taxpayer subsidies!).
Does it have to be this way and this way only?
#3
Thomas Jode said..Founding Truth, I was serious. Are you saying you can’t pull up a link and look at the whole document yourself and give me the solid evidence? ( The Law of Life is God and exists in all living things, so God CAN’T take itself away.)>
The Constitution leaves matters of liberty to the states. Their writings prove they viewed killing the baby in the womb was murder.
#4
DDay,
I phoned minority leader Mitch McConnell's office today to call him out on his insane global warming comments, explaining why the current snow storm is proof of global warming. I also said that Republicans are uneducated, stupid or lying. The staffer said global warming was a matter of OPINION. Exasperated, I said that she, too, was just as stupid! (Not nice, but I didn't care!)
#5
The earth will go on without us...
#6
@harry ashburn - Do you know what the definition of a consultant is? It's a guy who knows how to make love to a woman 50 different ways....they just do not know any women!
#7
@Jeanie, perhaps DDay and I do say similar things, I for one find a lot of his comments spot on. But yes I do like to challenge him, as well as several others to take it a few steps further.
#8
Tf = (9/5)*Tc+32; Tc = temperature in degrees Celsius, Tf = temperature in degrees Fahrenheit
#9
@Quark, call the fools out whenever and wherever you find them. Good for you on calling out Mitch McChinless, give 'em hell.
#10
Here is an actual calcuator with the formula above pre-programmed into it so you can check your math http://www.lenntech.com/calculators/temperature/temperature.htm
#11
So- double the celsius figure and add 32 degrees to estimate the difference from celsius to fahrenheit
#12
If the east coast were suffering record cold, then the argument against global warming would sound right (still would be wrong). They are having record snowfalls not record low temperatures.
#13
Nels,
I feel as though I have an OBLIGATION to call out the liars and fools. I can no longer believe that anyone else (in our government) who SHOULD, WILL.
#14
@ DDay
Listen Mr. Potty Mouth, it is bad enough that you use profanity in one language much less two! I suppose you think the Church Lady doesn't know Frog? And, what makes you so smart that you pass judgment on everything? If you ever pick on darling Nels again, I'll do more than rub your rhubarb! I bet you are a Frog! You certainly aren't anyone's prince. The Church Lady has a bar of soap for you!
(She has oils and bubble bath for Nels).
#15
Founding Truth:
First off, stop refering to me in the third person. Secondly, have you even READ the Constituion or the Declaration of Independence, because NO WHERE in those documents does it specifcally state that to kill a baby is wrong. These are documents of rights, not of morals. If you want morals, look to yourself for common sense and moral guidelines.
#16
Sorry. "specifically." Forgot the "i."
#17
@Quark, Oh I think its coming. Here's my analogy why: Most people don't worry about disasters until the fire is burning up the hillside towards there home, or the mud is sliding down it, snow is falling hard enough to black out there neighborhood etc... my point is this. Some people are vigilant and prepare when the issue is not in there face (as you are doing now) but most do nothing until their way of life is endangered. As the chickens come home to roost more and more people are going to get active, sure some will join Tea Parties, others will create or join progressive movements, but the storm is coming. The Republicans are screwing the American people, and that can't remain hidden, their house of cards is going to fall. Soon you will have more compatriots then you can possibly imagine.
At least that's what I believe.
#18
@KMH
Your formula is the same as the one I gave an hour ago.
@ The Church Lady
Pardon moi.
#19
Thomas Jode said..First off, stop refering to me in the third person. Secondly, have you even READ the Constituion or the Declaration of Independence, because NO WHERE in those documents does it specifcally state that to kill a baby is wrong.>
Do you think the DOI and Constitution explain every solution to every moral problem that exists? And if the Const. has no answer, you can do whatever you want?
#20
Nels,
Thanks. I needed that!
Hugs to you.
#21
Come now Church Lady, I don't think DDay was picking on me.
Though I'm quite certain you'll favor giving me private Sunday School lessons to teach me the error of my ways.
#22
@Quark, just review history, its happened before, and it'll happen again. Life has a way of following cycles... if you want to see the future, look to the past.
#23
This is nonsensical and not worth an argument over.
#24
Nels,
Here's the little thought that keeps lurking in my brain. Did fascism ever REALLY go away in those countries (like Italy) that had it?
#25
That was to Founding Truth.
#26
"@Quark, just review history, its happened before, and it’ll happen again. Life has a way of following cycles… if you want to see the future, look to the past."
But how long do you have to wait?
#27
Embryos are not conscious beings...they are not aware of their surroundings. Holocaust victims were quite aware and consciuos of what was happening to them and what was about to....holy cow...my how IQ's are dropping in the Right wing...
#28
Thomas Jode February 11th, 2010, 12:19 pm
This is nonsensical and not worth an argument over.>
This blogs rejection of the words of the Founding Fathers is nonsensical, who specifically said not to interpret documents apart from theirs.
#29
Well, I doubt Thom would reject the framers' words.
#30
Quark, have you ever noticed that fascism appeared as Monarchies declined. Societies that are led by totalitarian means become unstable. Fascism will lurk in the background so long as there are corporations in existence, its their Gov't of choice after all. In some ways, I think fascism is the cancer that all countries should be wary of, and in some cases, yes I think some are still afflicted by it to some extent.
#31
@Jeanie, there is nothing to wait for, its happening now. Where there's smoke there's fire. Don't think for a minute that the election of Obama and the 60+ seats in the Senate wasn' t the beginning of this. It will continue to grow, the recent race in Massachusetts is proof of it, people are dissatisfied with the status quo, and are aching for change. They aren't voting for Republicans or Democrats, they are voting for something different.... and if the Democratic Party doesn't realize this now, they will lose all sorts of seats in Nov. Change is wanted, its being demanded.
#32
So we better make sure we work for actual change and not just say the words.
#33
Nels,
Are there any models of which you are aware where fascist systems were mitigated? Those are what I would like to understand (how they did it, etc.) The only one I know of for sure was this country. Then we had a revolution.
There must be other examples and other means of change. ?
#34
@Quark, well that's a harder one to answer. As I mentioned fascism is a more or less recent form of Government. But fascism is for all intents and purposes, a totalitarian Government. If you want a good model of how fascism was defeated internally, then look at FDR's administration, our country was teetering on the edge then, look to see what FDR did to avoid it.
Capitalism is joined at the hip with Fascism though, those that promote one are promoting the other by default.
@Jeanie, absolutely correct. Agitate, agitate and when in doubt agitate; its the only way to clean this mess up.
#35
Disclaimer... these are just my opinions. I know enough to know that I know very little. ;-)
#36
Nels,
The FDR example is one that comes to my mind, too. Sadly, there are no FDRs around. Only citizens (with tea bags and pitch forks.) That could be very messy.
#37
Nels,
Hmmm...'Sounds familiar --- citizens with tea bags and pitch forks. Will we have a Bastille, too? Then a Napoleon or two? (Or did I skip too many steps?)
#38
How will we deal with our economic "royalists" ?
#39
Sure there are FDR's around, Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich come to mind right off. I'm quite certain there are others too. FDR, JFK, Lincoln, Washington... the list goes on, aren't aberrations or anomalies, they were in the right place at the right time.
As for your last line, yes the Reign of Terror (French Revolution) does come to mind. I wholeheartedly believe change is coming, I don't know how it will come, I'm hoping for FDR style, over Robespierre.
#40
'Just a thought. Political parties will no longer matter once there is a complete transition to the corporatocracy.
#41
Nels,
I guess what I meant is that there is no one IN PLACE (as FDR was as president) to do what he did. Dean and Kucinich are great, but have no power or in positions to wield any power.
#42
Nels,
Remember the previous Dem. Prez. debates where Kucinich wasn't even allowed to participate in later debates per corporate media decree?
#43
How do we deal with our economic royalists? Well for there sake they better hope for a FDR to come and save them from themselves. I don't really hole animosity for them, in truth I don't know if I would act different if I were in there shoes. Heck I like to sit in hot tubs, drive luxury cars, have obscene amounts of money. I can't say that I would willfully give it up, and I don't know anyone else in my circle of associates would. However, I don't have lots of money, I don't even have health insurance, so I'm pissed, and I may act irrationally because of it, as may many others. I pray for a FDR, Obama could be that type of leader, he may be on the road to it. FDR wasn't the same President on his first day, as he was on the his last. He adapted to the times and needs, I hope Obama follows that path too.
#44
Nels,
Yes, you are right. That sums up the situation pretty well.
#45
Nels,
If I had lots of money, I would want things to improve in the world around me. That means life would have to be better for EVERYONE and I would want to do what I could to achieve that.
#46
Quark, we're all subject to the whims of the media, me you, Dean and Kucinich. Continue pointing out the lies, speak truth to power, exercise your right to free speech, its one of the most powerful gifts our founders got for us. Yes the corporations hate it and are trying to take it over, but no matter how much money the have, they can tell you to shut up all they want, but they can never make you do so.
If you're losing faith in American ideology, just look how well it has taken root back in Europe. We are only a couple a hundred of years out of the dark ages, and we've come a long way. Take these stumbling blocks that corporations challenge us with as opportunities to hone our freedoms. Freedom is appreciated a heck of a lot more, when one realizes that it may no longer be there.
#47
Nels,
It's going to be interesting...
#48
Nels,
Thanks for your thoughts. I really enjoyed the exchange.
'Got to go. 'See ya later.
#49
As the old Chinese curse goes eh.
May you live in interesting times.
#50
OK Quark, have a good day. I too appreciated your insight. Your activism is inspiring.
Bye
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Jeanie,
I am an admirer of Nels and usually agree with most of what he says. Today, less so. I agreed with what you said, (unless it was about celsius!) Your comments regarding messaging were dead on in my opinion. Messaging is a science and an art. Emotion is the key in advertising. Short simple messages work best. The "Right" are experts at this. They manage to get about 1/3 of the voters to vote against their own self interest. They use emotion to pull off this trick. That shows how effective these techniques are.