Points well taken, 10K! Except for one thing. Even a pipeline for sunlight & wind would not resolve the issue of eminent domain for those unlucky enough to own land in the path of the goddam pipeline.
A few weeks ago on his radio show, Thom told how auto engines came to be run on fossil fuel. Soon after the automobile was invented, Mr. Ford wanted to run engines on alcohol. But Rockefellar, who had a huge investment in fossil fuel, had other plans. He bullied Mr. Ford with threats, even threatening him with bodily harm, if he didn't design his engines for oil instead of alcohol. So now thanks to Rockefucker, we have pipelines and eminent domain and fracking and mountains blasted to smithereens, and poisoned water supplies, and catastrophic oil spills and cancer and wars fought over oil and global warming. Thanks a bloody heap.
If only the Koch's could find a way to put sunlight and wind into a god damn pipeline..... then it just might become possible to start a reversal of the damage out of control citizens like them have caused our fragile planet. I'm sorry, but the combustion gasoline engine should have become obsolete decades ago....it's the power of the god almighty dollar and it's hold on their twisted little minds perpetuating this insane reliance on fossil fuels. These scoundrels can't figure out how to "FREE MARKET" green energy yet...but once they do in fact figure out how to bogart wind and solar..they sure as hell will sell it back to us at feudal profit margins. We need to not wait, green energy needs to be nationalized now, we the people own the wind and sun....stop the madness of the few.
I really believe the writing is on the wall and debating first its existence and secondly whether humans are responsible is moot. Harder times are on the way and there is nothing we can do but to prepare. Those who keep their heads in the sand will not do well. Those who prepare for global climate catastrophe... might do worse.
We live at 750 ft. where in decades past, the skies were perpetually blue except in the Winter when we had normal rains. 1987 was the first year we stopped having Spring thunderstorms. Oh, it still rained some for the next 6 years, but one or 2 claps of thunder were the only claps we heard per season, after that. And it still holds true in the Northeastern foothills of Los Angeles. Then, to make matters worse, we began seeing giant Xs in the skies. Those soon were patterned across with silly streaks of non-legible skywriting which fanned out and took all the blue away, from horizon to horizon. Since the chemtrails began, our weather has gotten much more sultry in the Summers, and colder in the Winters. The air is heavy. It tastes of metal. Our bird bath gets a foul-smelling scum on top of the water and the birds won't touch it. Climate Change is very real, and as long as those planes fly leaving those ugly trails behind them, no amount of conservation will stop the climate from changing from bad to much worse. Mad-made? You betcha! Mother Nature's changes happen more slowly, as they occurred between 1987 and 1993. Noticeable, but not severe. So we've got natural accelerating Climate Change and man-made climate change, to boot. And still, people see only what they're told is real - by Fox News.
Thommmmm..... What do you expect from a corporate fascist "media"; the news?! From a climate-denying hack as editor-in-chief?!! When the crazies call the tune, we get looney tunes. Surprise!!! - AIW
Gawd...! Is there no way to get rid of these people?!! All we want to do is discuss the issues of our day, how they impact our lives, etc... Is there no place we can do that without being infiltrated by PR fucking scumbags?!!! I resent this like crazy. - AIW
Sleazebag Paul Ingassia now corruptly perverting Reuters Climate change coverage just as his brother Lawrence Ingrassia corruptly perverted and whitewashed Wall Street coverage as chief of NY Times Biz section-- before tptb rewarded his journalistic mendacity by promoting him to Managing Editor, where he corruptly perverts still.
I grew up in northwest Oregon. The Oregon Historical society Museum in downtown Portland has historical photos of people driving Model T's on a frozen Willamette River. In my own lifetime I have witnessed a significant change in weather. Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
This is crazy I live in the west at 5500 Feet we should have 2 to 3 foot of snow. The March winds that melt the snow in past years are only blowing dust. People here still say thay climate change is a lie but soon they will have to admite it true when there is no water to drink.
Eisenhower was absolutely correct when he warned against the power of the military-industrial complex. Sadly, so many people still do not know the huge amount of $$$ that are disappearing in unknown coffers without any accountability whatsoever. If Congress asked for a real audit, it actually cannot be done it is SO out of control. The very fabric of our economy is in deep peril when acc. to the War Resister's League, greater than 47% of our entire U.S. budget for 2014 goes for current and past military spending. Our endless wars are NOT making us safer. In fact, the U.S. is the #1 supplier of arms around the world, fueling endless conflicts. What could we do if we cut the budget by half and realize $700 Billion or more dollars? How about free healthcare for all, free schooling including college?, infrastructure repair, cities of the future w/ latest transportation, new energy grids, alternative energy subsidies, etc, etc...... If you don't believe it can be done, check Germany for all the above. My relatives love it!!
The amusing thing about this bill, is that the republicans were so arrogant in their views that they forgot that business comes before EVERYTHING on the GOP agenda. Now they have egg on their faces and the governor is going to have to veto it. That said, I understand, as a former business owner, you can hang a sign that says "we reserve the right to not serve anybody", but that is like hanging a sign that says we reserve the right to shoot anybody. Sure you have the right to shoot someone who is robbing you or threatening your life, but if you shoot them because they are gay you are going to jail. Ironic how they wanted to use religion as the reasoning behind this discriminatory practice. Religion happens to be a federally protected status. in other words if you discriminate based on religion you are flat breaking the law on a federal level. There is so much about this idiotic bill that is just plain stupid. How are the business owners going to determine the sexual orientation of individuals? That right there has a gazillion lawsuits plastered all over it. Another ridiculous aspect the morons who drafted the bill didn't take into consideration, was that AZ is ranked number 5 in the country for haveing the highest gay population. Can't wait to hear Thom jump all over those idiot lawmakers who bit the hand that fed them.
But there do seem to be some here to fit that profile, especially on the member blogs. They do seem to work in teams.
A lot of 'em, I think, are business PR shills. A good book, written in the '90s but still very relevant today, Toxic Sludge is Good for You by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber, describes to what lengths PR firms will go to spread disinformation, how very effective they are and how valued and relied upon they are by big business.
It's really an outrage that large, already profitable profiteers could consider themselves owners of what is, essentially, a technology. A technology must be considered a common carrier as there can only be one such medium for everyone.
This, if I have this correct, will cause the end of the Thom Hartmanns and Amy Goodmans on the net as small, independent, essentially non for profit enterprizes will simply not be able to compete. The net will be a shopping channel, not public media but an advertizing service.
WOW Palin, I checked out that link. How fascinating! I wonder if any of that shit has been attempted here. From now on, I'll think more carefully about how I respond to certain posts, to avoid getting ensnared in one of these fascists' little traps. - AIW
"The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
Outline:
1. COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum
2. Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
3. Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
4. How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
5. Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ."
Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
Saboteurs
Provocateurs
Informants
Recruiting
Surveillance
Scare Tactics
And who says a new Church Commission will be as effective on rooting out the corruption as the first one? As someone pointed out, Congressional investigations are where evidence goes to die. If the NSA can ruin reputations, it can intimidate those trying to uncover these dirty tricks. There is enough planting of false information, unfounded accusations, and psyops going on as it is - probably more than we realize. This will, as Dick Cheney once said, "take the gloves off" for the spy networks. I am pretty sure the NSA is quite happy with the death of net neutrality. Any debunking or truthtelling could be slowed down or restricted enough to amount to censorship, and the element of money means that those who control the internet can be plied to cooperate.
Can you imagine what the world would be like today if the Internet had existed during the days of the Nazi propaganda machine? Would we even be here talking about it?
Thanks, intok, for that link...good video..although it was sort of an advertisement for a vpn...if you watch the second part. There is an alternative to paying $39.99 per year for vpn...you can get openvpn at www.openvpn.net for free...but it was interesting to watch them install their recommended vpn on both a Windows system and a Linux system.
This is actually something not many people think about...that without vpn...your ISP can see everything you download or upload...what sites you go to...and they can and do limit bandwidth based on what content you are downloading. So, even though you may have what looks like a 5 or 10Mbps bandwidth when you run speed tests...they can actually slow you down when you are doing something other than running a speed test. You can only suspect that's what is happening. Normally, I thought that vpn would slow you down...but if you install vpn and you get an increase in bandwidth that would tell you that your isp is limiting your bandwidth on certain things you download. With vpn...they can't tell what your content is.
The talked about "the last mile" as well and this has been a real bug for me...especially when the carriers try to sell me on fiber optics (they don't want you to know that the "last mile" of old copper wire will actually be the thing that keeps you from realizing the real benefits of fiber optics). I'm hoping that Google gets around to my area and installs fiber to the home...as it should be. But AT&T Uverse will only install fiber to the home in newly built home complexes and doesn't want to do that for older homes.
Yes, it's a start, but we all know nearly everything related to defense is now in the hands of contractors who continue to bleed us dry with not a lot to show for it.
Call me a dreamer, but if the brilliant engineers working for all these contractors/MIC turned their creative talents toward improvments to save the earth, instead of 50 ways to destroy humanity and the planet...then you would really have something of note.
I always thought of America as the good guy the holder of the torch of fairness,freedom,democracy the people who stand up for whatever is right. The military industrial complex is becoming a rouge fascist entity that is destroying our reputation and integrity to where we are wanting to rule the world wether we the people want to or not
Yes, we must investigate these illegal and immoral activities. However, unlike in the President Ford era, we must go beyond the henchmen and go after the financiers of this activity. Heads must roll. Otherwise, we will be looking for another Church Committee within a few more decades. The heads of these spy agencies must suffer the same fate as the foot soldiers. Anything else is putting a bandaid on a dam leak.
Points well taken, 10K! Except for one thing. Even a pipeline for sunlight & wind would not resolve the issue of eminent domain for those unlucky enough to own land in the path of the goddam pipeline.
A few weeks ago on his radio show, Thom told how auto engines came to be run on fossil fuel. Soon after the automobile was invented, Mr. Ford wanted to run engines on alcohol. But Rockefellar, who had a huge investment in fossil fuel, had other plans. He bullied Mr. Ford with threats, even threatening him with bodily harm, if he didn't design his engines for oil instead of alcohol. So now thanks to Rockefucker, we have pipelines and eminent domain and fracking and mountains blasted to smithereens, and poisoned water supplies, and catastrophic oil spills and cancer and wars fought over oil and global warming. Thanks a bloody heap.
- Aliceinwonderland
If only the Koch's could find a way to put sunlight and wind into a god damn pipeline..... then it just might become possible to start a reversal of the damage out of control citizens like them have caused our fragile planet. I'm sorry, but the combustion gasoline engine should have become obsolete decades ago....it's the power of the god almighty dollar and it's hold on their twisted little minds perpetuating this insane reliance on fossil fuels. These scoundrels can't figure out how to "FREE MARKET" green energy yet...but once they do in fact figure out how to bogart wind and solar..they sure as hell will sell it back to us at feudal profit margins. We need to not wait, green energy needs to be nationalized now, we the people own the wind and sun....stop the madness of the few.
I really believe the writing is on the wall and debating first its existence and secondly whether humans are responsible is moot. Harder times are on the way and there is nothing we can do but to prepare. Those who keep their heads in the sand will not do well. Those who prepare for global climate catastrophe... might do worse.
Sure enough she vetoed it today... probably while watching Thom's show. lol
We live at 750 ft. where in decades past, the skies were perpetually blue except in the Winter when we had normal rains. 1987 was the first year we stopped having Spring thunderstorms. Oh, it still rained some for the next 6 years, but one or 2 claps of thunder were the only claps we heard per season, after that. And it still holds true in the Northeastern foothills of Los Angeles. Then, to make matters worse, we began seeing giant Xs in the skies. Those soon were patterned across with silly streaks of non-legible skywriting which fanned out and took all the blue away, from horizon to horizon. Since the chemtrails began, our weather has gotten much more sultry in the Summers, and colder in the Winters. The air is heavy. It tastes of metal. Our bird bath gets a foul-smelling scum on top of the water and the birds won't touch it. Climate Change is very real, and as long as those planes fly leaving those ugly trails behind them, no amount of conservation will stop the climate from changing from bad to much worse. Mad-made? You betcha! Mother Nature's changes happen more slowly, as they occurred between 1987 and 1993. Noticeable, but not severe. So we've got natural accelerating Climate Change and man-made climate change, to boot. And still, people see only what they're told is real - by Fox News.
Thommmmm..... What do you expect from a corporate fascist "media"; the news?! From a climate-denying hack as editor-in-chief?!! When the crazies call the tune, we get looney tunes. Surprise!!! - AIW
Gawd...! Is there no way to get rid of these people?!! All we want to do is discuss the issues of our day, how they impact our lives, etc... Is there no place we can do that without being infiltrated by PR fucking scumbags?!!! I resent this like crazy. - AIW
Sleazebag Paul Ingassia now corruptly perverting Reuters Climate change coverage just as his brother Lawrence Ingrassia corruptly perverted and whitewashed Wall Street coverage as chief of NY Times Biz section-- before tptb rewarded his journalistic mendacity by promoting him to Managing Editor, where he corruptly perverts still.
I grew up in northwest Oregon. The Oregon Historical society Museum in downtown Portland has historical photos of people driving Model T's on a frozen Willamette River. In my own lifetime I have witnessed a significant change in weather. Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
This is crazy I live in the west at 5500 Feet we should have 2 to 3 foot of snow. The March winds that melt the snow in past years are only blowing dust. People here still say thay climate change is a lie but soon they will have to admite it true when there is no water to drink.
Eisenhower was absolutely correct when he warned against the power of the military-industrial complex. Sadly, so many people still do not know the huge amount of $$$ that are disappearing in unknown coffers without any accountability whatsoever. If Congress asked for a real audit, it actually cannot be done it is SO out of control. The very fabric of our economy is in deep peril when acc. to the War Resister's League, greater than 47% of our entire U.S. budget for 2014 goes for current and past military spending. Our endless wars are NOT making us safer. In fact, the U.S. is the #1 supplier of arms around the world, fueling endless conflicts. What could we do if we cut the budget by half and realize $700 Billion or more dollars? How about free healthcare for all, free schooling including college?, infrastructure repair, cities of the future w/ latest transportation, new energy grids, alternative energy subsidies, etc, etc...... If you don't believe it can be done, check Germany for all the above. My relatives love it!!
The amusing thing about this bill, is that the republicans were so arrogant in their views that they forgot that business comes before EVERYTHING on the GOP agenda. Now they have egg on their faces and the governor is going to have to veto it. That said, I understand, as a former business owner, you can hang a sign that says "we reserve the right to not serve anybody", but that is like hanging a sign that says we reserve the right to shoot anybody. Sure you have the right to shoot someone who is robbing you or threatening your life, but if you shoot them because they are gay you are going to jail. Ironic how they wanted to use religion as the reasoning behind this discriminatory practice. Religion happens to be a federally protected status. in other words if you discriminate based on religion you are flat breaking the law on a federal level. There is so much about this idiotic bill that is just plain stupid. How are the business owners going to determine the sexual orientation of individuals? That right there has a gazillion lawsuits plastered all over it. Another ridiculous aspect the morons who drafted the bill didn't take into consideration, was that AZ is ranked number 5 in the country for haveing the highest gay population. Can't wait to hear Thom jump all over those idiot lawmakers who bit the hand that fed them.
But there do seem to be some here to fit that profile, especially on the member blogs. They do seem to work in teams.
A lot of 'em, I think, are business PR shills. A good book, written in the '90s but still very relevant today, Toxic Sludge is Good for You by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber, describes to what lengths PR firms will go to spread disinformation, how very effective they are and how valued and relied upon they are by big business.
Where's Kend? Strange, he's suddenly not around. >:^)
It's really an outrage that large, already profitable profiteers could consider themselves owners of what is, essentially, a technology. A technology must be considered a common carrier as there can only be one such medium for everyone.
This, if I have this correct, will cause the end of the Thom Hartmanns and Amy Goodmans on the net as small, independent, essentially non for profit enterprizes will simply not be able to compete. The net will be a shopping channel, not public media but an advertizing service.
WOW Palin, I checked out that link. How fascinating! I wonder if any of that shit has been attempted here. From now on, I'll think more carefully about how I respond to certain posts, to avoid getting ensnared in one of these fascists' little traps. - AIW
I've read "The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies" which details some of the methods. It was very sobering indeed.
"The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
Outline:
1. COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum
2. Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
3. Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
4. How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
5. Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'
Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'
CONCLUSION:
Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ."
Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
Saboteurs
Provocateurs
Informants
Recruiting
Surveillance
Scare Tactics
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
And who says a new Church Commission will be as effective on rooting out the corruption as the first one? As someone pointed out, Congressional investigations are where evidence goes to die. If the NSA can ruin reputations, it can intimidate those trying to uncover these dirty tricks. There is enough planting of false information, unfounded accusations, and psyops going on as it is - probably more than we realize. This will, as Dick Cheney once said, "take the gloves off" for the spy networks. I am pretty sure the NSA is quite happy with the death of net neutrality. Any debunking or truthtelling could be slowed down or restricted enough to amount to censorship, and the element of money means that those who control the internet can be plied to cooperate.
Can you imagine what the world would be like today if the Internet had existed during the days of the Nazi propaganda machine? Would we even be here talking about it?
Thanks, intok, for that link...good video..although it was sort of an advertisement for a vpn...if you watch the second part. There is an alternative to paying $39.99 per year for vpn...you can get openvpn at www.openvpn.net for free...but it was interesting to watch them install their recommended vpn on both a Windows system and a Linux system.
This is actually something not many people think about...that without vpn...your ISP can see everything you download or upload...what sites you go to...and they can and do limit bandwidth based on what content you are downloading. So, even though you may have what looks like a 5 or 10Mbps bandwidth when you run speed tests...they can actually slow you down when you are doing something other than running a speed test. You can only suspect that's what is happening. Normally, I thought that vpn would slow you down...but if you install vpn and you get an increase in bandwidth that would tell you that your isp is limiting your bandwidth on certain things you download. With vpn...they can't tell what your content is.
The talked about "the last mile" as well and this has been a real bug for me...especially when the carriers try to sell me on fiber optics (they don't want you to know that the "last mile" of old copper wire will actually be the thing that keeps you from realizing the real benefits of fiber optics). I'm hoping that Google gets around to my area and installs fiber to the home...as it should be. But AT&T Uverse will only install fiber to the home in newly built home complexes and doesn't want to do that for older homes.
I would not be surprised that members and associates of "Occupy Wallstreet" and spinoffs were targeted by dirty tricks in ways to quash their growth.
Yes, it's a start, but we all know nearly everything related to defense is now in the hands of contractors who continue to bleed us dry with not a lot to show for it.
Call me a dreamer, but if the brilliant engineers working for all these contractors/MIC turned their creative talents toward improvments to save the earth, instead of 50 ways to destroy humanity and the planet...then you would really have something of note.
I always thought of America as the good guy the holder of the torch of fairness,freedom,democracy the people who stand up for whatever is right. The military industrial complex is becoming a rouge fascist entity that is destroying our reputation and integrity to where we are wanting to rule the world wether we the people want to or not
Yes, we must investigate these illegal and immoral activities. However, unlike in the President Ford era, we must go beyond the henchmen and go after the financiers of this activity. Heads must roll. Otherwise, we will be looking for another Church Committee within a few more decades. The heads of these spy agencies must suffer the same fate as the foot soldiers. Anything else is putting a bandaid on a dam leak.