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I can not believe Americans would even consider giving immigrants or their children who entered the US illegally, breaking the law, citizenship. How stupid was I when I was denied a work perment in the 80's that I just went back to Canada.
Oh by the way "binders full of women" means resumes. I can only speak for Liberals up here but I know they would have a hard time understanding that as most of them never looked for a job in there life.
Obama doesn't need binders full of women. Obama bound and gagged the woman who should have been in the POTUS debates.
QUESTION:
What do dictatorships do with political alternatives.
ANSWER:
First they ignore them,
then they ridicule them,
then they arrest them...
Porcine police keeping the 2012 POTUS debate's "wonderful experience" safe... safe, from any mention of climate change:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdK35JiNjGs
Meanwhile, inside the "private" corporate party debate, the corporate party's two money manufactured candidates competed over which of them would frack for more oil and gas than the other; which would get more coal burned faster than the other; which would have more Canadian tar sands oil piped across America, to port for export, than the other... to ensure that there will be no future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Idr_mrBRnM
The "progressives" are the liberals who keep voting for the corporate party's Democrats so they can keep protesting against what they keep voting for.
www.chenangogreens.org
I'm glad Obama put Romney in check; he needed to. But I'm not happy. Obama is a center-right Democrat/Republican. He is a corporatist and will surely water down Social Security and Medicare in compromising with the extreme right during the next Congress. As for the debates, they are orchastrated by the two parties and limit the discourse to the mutually agreeable (see Glen Greenwold.)
I used to think this election is a choice between Coke and Pepsi. I now see it in even more narrow terms as choice between high octane Cola (Romney) and the gradual effects of Diet Cola (Obama). While the pace of deteriortion diverges, our demise as a nation is nevertheless assured.
When ever I hear the China issue from Romney, I'm reminded of part of a closed door session recorded on Mitt Romney, he spoke of a company he visited in China, a model for Bain to buy out, Romney described the poor conditions for the workers in detail. A question that no one has asked.....when buying these Chinese factories have any working conditions improved ?? Has Romney or Bain done anything to improve the miserable conditons and abuse of these, their own workers? Since improvements would be a great example to put before the American public, I'm guessing condtions are left unchanged. So Bain and Romney apparently support and profit off human rights abuse.
Sensata Workers Arrested http://www.wifr.com/home/headlines/There-are-new-developments-from-Freeport-today-where-six-protestors-were-arrested-on-Sensata-property-this-morning--174647161.html
Tom is absolutely right when he says that business won't improve nor will there be more hires unless there is a demand. The only way for there to be demand is for people to have jobs which earn money to buy products. If nobody is buying, how can a business even think about expanding?
As for Benghazi, I seem to recall that there were lots of protesters on the streets there and in Cairo and they were all screaming about the video. As a matter of fact, there have been lots of protests in other (Muslim) countries as well where the video has been front and center of the complaints.
That was a great "catch" about Romney not talking about a pathway to citizenship for young undocumented immigrants, but rather a pathway to permanent residency! And I just can't imagine any woman voting for Wilbur. FaceBook is just brimming over with jokes and graphics related to his comments about women after the question about equal pay (which, of course, he didn't address). Oh my goodness, those "binders full of women"! And his comments about letting a staff member have flexible hours so she could go home and cook dinner for her family -- and the not-so-subtle jab at single women regarding gun control and the importance of marriage and two-parent families in preventing gun violence.
Climate change? Why on Earth would they talk about that! The question actually was in the staged mix but CNN's Candy said "I had that question for all of you climate change people. We just, you know, again, we knew that the economy was still the main thing so you knew you kind of wanted to go with the economy."
So there, you climate change people, it's not like we're ignoring you or anything! (Jeeze, everyone thinks there issue is the most important)
for what little inteligence is left in America i hope that all the people that crwaled out from under their rocks at least have enough insight to be able to read lying eyes!lolol also? i would still love for a speech pathologist to test mitten's voice. i can just hear the "quaver" or the slight frequency changes as he tries to be Americas next best salesman!! personaly? i yelled like it was super bowl, Obama slamming it over and over agin into the inzone!!! my right wing associate that likes to argue with me about obama however said if he gets reelected they will leave the country. i said, 'please do, while your at it it? take all y'all other mis informed boobs with you and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Oh by the way? what country really wants Americas lunatic fringe anyway?"lolol can't wait 'til monday night when the real mopping up comes along...
This old dog must have been deaf last night. It went over my head. Thank you for pointing that out.
You are absolutely right about his "government doesn'tcreate jobs" statement. I wish Baracko had pointed this out.
I wasn't able to listen to the whole program today but I'm wondering if anyone else thinks that Romney's comment about single mothers being responsible for gun violence was another dog whistle since Obama was raised by a single mother and he's BLACK.
Mitt's real name is Willard - isn't that the name of a rat?
Take off your Obama goggles off for a minute and listen to what Romney said over and over -- his administration will make it a top priority to develope policies that encourage small businesses to thrive. That is the engine for job creation. Sounds pretty straight forward to me. And as for the Benghazi tragedy I dont think Obama wants to get into a debate about how that went down, that would surely be his soft under belly. But, I look for this to be big time fodder for Romney in the next debate.
What's worse about the "issue" of calling the attack on the Banghazi consulate a terrorist attack is that Romney asked Obama to confim that he called it a terrorist attack in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, but two sentences later claims that Obama waited two weeks to call it a terrorist attack. He can't keep his story straight for 30 seconds!
There's also a trap I saw coming back in the Republican primaries, but I didn't think Romney would be stupid enough to step in it. Romney has an ad in which he explains how he'll create 12 million jobs as President, but in the debate he said "government doesn't create jobs".
One thing he said that wasn't a lie: "I will not grant amnesty to those who have come here illegally...The kids of those that came here illegally, those kids, I think, should have a pathway to become a permanent resident of the United States and military service, for instance, is one way they would have that kind of pathway to become a permanent resident."
OK, so deport the parents and make the kids serve in the military (wars) if they want to become permanent residents. Notice, he doesn't say pathway to citizenship and he doesn't list an alternative to military service as a pathway to becoming a permanent resident. Very devious. Do permanent residents also get to vote, or is that only a right of US citizens? I think we know Mitt's answer to that question.
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To be honest, with Jill Stein's arrest outside the debate, I no longer see what difference it makes who wins. Pick your way of getting feudalized: subtle or obvious. At least here in Australia we have proportional representation so third parties actually have a voice in parliament. For the US to change the progressives may as well forget federal government and start targetting state legislatures. You really need 36 states win against such an entrenched system as the corporate/bankster kleptocracy. Its even more entrenched in Australia, its just better hidden.
Does anyone really believe that there would be much change for the betterment of America if Romney won or if Obama retains his crown? Besides healthcare and perhaps the increase of taxes on the wealthy, what difference is there between the two men on stage telling us what they think we want to hear? My answer is there is very little difference. Obama passed a healthcare bill that benefits the insurance companies primarily, when he could have passed a single payer plan that would have been better for the American public. But he wanted to throw the insurance companies a bone so they would support his campaign for re-election. He had the Senate and the House of Representatives and could have passed many bills that would have made life better for the 99% of Americans. struggling in this economy. He has stripped us of many of our civil rights and is instrumental in sending our jobs to Asia via the Free Trade agreements. He knows damn well the direct result of Free Trade is fewer jobs in America, but he signed it anyway because it benefits the wealthy and the multi-national corporations in obtaining higher profits. So excuse me if I don't get excited over the idea Obama will be our next president. Why is it that we are supposed to be happy because Obama is the lesser of the two evils? Manufacturing is gone in America, as it is in Europe and this effects blue collar jobs and the white collar jobs that are needed to support them. When we lose manufacturing as a base for the economy all other jobs that are related are gone, just like in the domino theory, one falls and then all the other dominos (jobs) fall that are directly and indirectly connected to it. Great, Obama did a better job in defending himself against Romney in this debate, but he failed to mention what he is going to do too bring back manufacturing to America. The reason why he failed to say anything is that nothing can be or will be done to bring all those jobs back to our shores. He once stated," Americans are going to have to re-educate themselves for the 21st. century because the jobs that are gone probably won't be coming back. They won't be coming back because the revenue needed for re-engineering and reopening our factories is staggering once they are gone. And, he like everyone else realizes Americans cannot survive on the wages paid to Chinese workers and corporations cannot make the Hugh profits they are now making if they had to pay Americans a living wage, period. So all the promises made by both Obama and Romney about being the jobs president is just bull shit...Americans will wake up one morning and realize that it is over for the American worker, and hoping the good old days will come back to our nation is just wasted dreams and we have been screwed by our politicians. When that day finally happens, then you will see massive civil demonstrations and riots, just like we see happening in Spain and Greece. Americans seem to be more violent than our counter-parts in Europe and I believe we will experience civil unrest and riots not seen before in American history. So if I am not enthusiastic about the debates, it is because it is all just a smoke and mirrors trick to make Americans think change will happen if one or the other of these two candidates is elected.......
I'm writing this after having seen the debate and I hope someone reads what I have to say.
There is one thing that is never mentioned relative to jobs and the number of people who have been out of work for a long time. The number of people out of work is primarily based on the number that couldn't find a job or lost a job during the 8 years of the Goerge W. Bush presidency and the few months after Obama was inaugurated.
That period equals 100 months. During that time between 125,000 to 150,000 people per month entered the work force. That means that during that period 12.5 million to 15 million people entered to work force.
During that same period there were not only NO net jobs created, but the 4.5 million jobs created during the Bush administration were all lost, plus several million more. That means, that the total number of people that could not find jobs during that period approached 20 million.
That is the unemployment mountain that Obama had to climb when his presidency bagan to take hold. No wonder there are so many unemployed, in poverty and on food stamps, this number of years later. The President needs to make clear that this is the basis for the jobs problem.
For many elections I've sworn that I will not be blackmailed again into voting for "the lesser of two bads" -- but time after time . . . .
This has to stop.
Google "Gish Gallop" to find out about the "creationist" debate strategy taught to Romney....denigrate and then lie repeatedly. Daily Kos article also has good strategy for attacking it immediately. This is our "American" extremist fundamentalism gone insane and blatantly psychopathic......right wing has 'normalized' sociopathy/psychopathology. Frightening, and we are easily duped by fake certainty, however phoney.
this is how brainwashed the right is! i just posed the question of fair taxation to my right wing associate who is not only anti tax but at the end of the year has a year end sale charges the client sales tax and then doesn't pay it. the question was in reflects to my summary comparison of cap gain earners verses w-2 earners and is it fair. as not only a schedule C filier but also a w-2 earner i thought by citing absolutes to my right winger that they might begin to see the picture. man did my associate lock down on the idea that a lower cap gain rate is more then fair. my associate sounded exactly like they listen to Fox blow holes everynight in that this person cited that the lower rate is fair because it encourages people to invest? so in my rebute then i asked then why not drop the w-2 earners tax to encourage people to work! i saw the wisps of smoke coming out my associates ears as they ehaded out the door to go watch mittens likely lie another 20 times. Oh, and i also asked asscoiate why it is we have not heard or read about any "real" action ideas that mit the twit and lyin ryan might have that are remotely plausable. the reply? well, uh, hmm 'cuz, uh, hmm uh, well if they do the left will put holes in it. I said duh! holes that are worthy of being put in it. do you really read anything or just watch the littel red dog?
When and if we, The People ever reform our system, we need to address these "debates" -- which are to real debates, what "Wrasslin" is to real (olympic) wrestling. They, like so much of Teevey these days (see: News) are primarilly Entertainment (filler for commercials), with little real content or value.
I don't see much TV, so I can still see the contrast with what they may have been, or how they might could be.
Reform? We can't look to the entertainment or political industries to reform it for us -- they've already done that, for themselves. It's one more example where we, The People will somehow have to find ways to regain control from the social (economic/political) forces that are so so skillfully mustering our systems against us, to their own ends.
Meanwhile through alternative (Internet/Cyber) media-channels, we ARE finding ways to communicate information amongst ourselves. {We ansolutely MUST defend these new communication channels from (inevitible) corruption and control}.
The problem remaining however, is our tendency to self-select information and opinions that agree with our accumulated world views. Thus, "critical-thinking" is the most critical core-skill that we need to pass forward. Otherwise, the manipulating elites simply have more powerful tools for playing their ancient manipulative self-serving games.
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I notice that this time Obama is not promising to stop the renditioning of people who have not been charged with any crimes; apparently after he renditioned his first few innocent people, he realized that it's sort of fun. I mean, I can see him talking with his daughters, saying, "It's time for bed, girls. But first, would you like to guess what daddy did today? He sent a man to the Middle East to be tortured and possibly murdered. No, sweetheart, as far as I know he didn't do anything wrong. I just did it because I felt like it. Are you proud of your daddy? Would you like to be president someday, so you can send people to be tortured? Well, darling, torture is when you cut off parts of someone's body, a few at a time, and listen to him scream in pain. Ok, sweetheart, goodnight, sleep well."
"What's that, sweetheart? Why doesn't daddy have an American place to rendition innocent people to? We do, we have one in Cuba, although they don't want us there. No, darling, if Cuba tried to have a place in America where they could torture people, I would have Cuba bombed and kill lots of innocent Cuban people. That's right, darling, it is ok for us to do it to them, but it's not ok for them to do it to us. It's called American exceptionalism. Now go to sleep, sweetheart. What's that? I don't understand, why do you want me to leave on the night light? Are you scared of something?"
And for my part, I am confused. Would someone please tell me whether Obama is running as a democrat or as a republican?