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I just heard that Scott Walker dropped out. It must have been Thom.
Has the earth's capacity to provide food for the human population been exceeded? If so, by how much, or how much room is left? I'm concerned that due to the inertia of the status quo, and the pressures of the developmental state of the bulk of the earths population, that our climate tipping point was reached several years ago and that all we can do now is slow it's progress. One of the few factors that keeps me optimistic is raising my children to be aware of their consumption and how it relates to the consumption of others and the impact on our earth.
Maybe Thom should go into a little more detail on Syria with climate change deniers. The drought led to mass outcry for assistance. The Syrian government refused to help, for whatever reason (I suspect sectarianism--Shi'a on the coast vs. Sunni inland). This started a rebellion, and the destruction of homes has led to huge numbers of refugees.
Kend, you seem to misunderstand that it's not called global heating. The warming (by only a couple degrees Celsius) tips environments into climate change, redirecting flows of heat and moisture. But some areas will get warmer, some will get cooler (such as northern Europe because of the Gulf Stream shutting down). Some areas will get wetter (Colorado seems to be doing that), and some will get drier (such as California and Syria).
Edward J. Dodson, what are we supposed to do, flood Death Valley and the Dead Sea? The only "low-lying areas" that would be useful are those below sea level. There just isn't enough volume in those basins.
Ask the oil liar if there are ANY factories making new petroleum. I don't know of any, but I do know my solar panels are making energy.
RFord, the next such protest should be held at the doors of the news organizations' doors in NYC. Block them from entering or leaving until they cover the issue.
Need more progressive roundtables. Lately, some Rumble show segments are just unwatchable, with those conservative hacks hijacking the discussions.
Re: Republican lies (26:00). This is strategy, playing off of liberal tendencies to argue rationally from facts. Cons spout lies to support their positions and confuse (or reframe) the discussion, and while we're mentally recalibrating and/or checking for sources, they go on to spread their propaganda. By the time their "facts" have been checked, the interview is over, and hence they've succeeded. You know, repeat the lie often enough...
Liberals -- and especially the media -- need a new strategy. Call "bullshit" right away and make them cite their sources. Or better yet, dismiss it and move on, citing real data.
Ugggghhhh.. (my best Lurch impression). When Isee asses like Horace Thom, I turn off the show - or forward to somewhere where I don't have to hear his totally assinine delusional "arguments"..... Ughhhhhh
The correct answer is NO! This is Don Trump we are discussing; any expectation of civilized behavior is just so wrong. And repugnant behavior by Repugscum is a good thing; I think we should give each of them a dagger before the next debate.
Roland
Seems like every time I turn around there's a new climate change report coming out showing that climate change and global warming is happening faster than had previously been predicted. Many people are not concerned about this happening (global warming) because they believe it's not going to affect them because they will die of old age long before it starts killing all human beings and they are not concerned with what will happen to yet unborn generations. Some tout the ideas that global warming is a farce and it's not feasible or that it's too expensive to move away from carbon energy. These Ideas come from the fossil fuel industry who pay their bought and paid for congressmen, senators and news outlets to say these things. The fact is people are already dying from the effects of climate change in Serria and ,yes, right here in the USA. People are dying because of drought caused forrest fires either by fighting the fires or by being caught in the fires but many don't die, they just lose everything they own including their home. Global warming and climate change are happening now at ever increasing rates. It may not be the future generations of earthlings that go extinct. It may be the present generations that go extinct sooner than anyone has imagined. If humans are smart, they will do all they can to keep themselves from going extinct but I'm afraid humans are not as smart and superior as humans think they are. The time to act against global warming is now because the tipping point is when human produced greenhouse gasses are no longer the main cause of global warming. The tipping point is when global warming is causing global warming and then there is no stopping it. The air, water, and the surface of the Earth become extremely hot and poisoned with methane and 90 percent of all living things on earth dies.
Nice job, Sam.
Kurt Schilling -- classy as ever. Is Keith Olbermann still with ESPN? He should do a Worst Person in Sports segment, in the manner of his previous political show...
Dictating the Fate of Mother Earth
. . . .
Energy capitalists participate
in the Arctic’s melting at a quickening rate.
How might we cause their spate
of environmental crimes to abate? -
- when their political weight
is so inordinately great
that they can dictate
our Mother Earth’s fate.
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Those people need to read the constitution where it says freedom of religion, who cares if Obama was a muslim? which he is not.
"the political systems of most countries will not permit action sufficient to reverse the behaviors that are causing the oceans to warm and the polar caps to melt. "
Well stated, and clearly the highest probability scenario.
The Dutch seem to be out in front of the issue, but US policy makers require
higher levels of mass suffering before they emerge with a plan.
ct
A very interesting comment in a climate science web site (run by climate scientists) thread where actual climate scientists post.
Chuck Hughes says: 2 Sep 2015 at 1:24 PM Is this anything like, “Nobody saw it [crash] coming,” in which any number of people did? Much like you say “anyone” above when quite a few have seen high SLR this century for a while now. I’m sure you mean hardly anyone; just checking. Comment by Killian — 1 Sep 2015
Killian, I know you’re a bright fellow and I was using “everybody” in the colloquial sense or, the vernacular of the common citizenry, excluding those of us here at RC of course. Having said that I would like your opinion on “abrupt SLR.”
How “abrupt” do you think it might be? IPCC puts it at 1 meter by the end of the century. I personally think that’s a tad bit conservative. What say you?
If salt water is able to penetrate the underbelly of Greenland, say within the next 5 to 10 years I’m thinking all bets are off.
Then there’s the WAIS… along with several amplifying feedbacks that climate models may not have figured in. Am I in the ballpark? - See more at: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/09/unforced-variations-sept-2015/#sthash.IxU0e93v.dpuf[/color][/size][/quote]
I think what the world needs is less a lot less studies and a lot more action. Trillions spent on this and we have not reduced anything. The only thing getting better is the size of scientist bank accounts. After the cold winters we have had since global warming I have to admit it will be nice to warm up a little.
Old Mother Earth is experimenting, studying, and learning ways to get rid of the infection called 'Humanity'. Will She figure it out, will She succeed, before we destroy Her? Time will tell, and time is running out.
One more point...I was led to Thom Hartmann by some intelligent and thoughtful people but, especially when it comes to a few points on scientific topics, Thom Hartmann is showing himself to be quite incompetent. I caught a segment where a representative from the advocacy group, Greenpeace, was interviewed on scientific topic...which was laughable. If you're, rightfully, so on-topic with climate change please use the same integrity when it comes to GMO's or vaccines (etc...), or anything else for which you may be lacking a clear conceptual base. Get a gosh darn agricultural scientist on to source your information...go with the scientific consensus always.
Ok...done ranting...sorry.
The headline reads "Monsanto Guilty of Poisoning Farmer." So what does glyphosate have to do with that?
Equating glyphosate/Monsanto with Folta to say they paid him off looks like its pretty much a joke. I've read his justifications and, what little evidence exists, appears to be completely out of context. By themselves, there is no, evidence GMO's cause any harm whatsoever...none, nada. Pesticide residues are found on organic food too and there is much less evidence of volume used for these 'organic approved' pesticides and just as much evidence as to their human health qualities.
The first ignorant rebuttal is likely that I'm paid by a chemical company or by Monsanto but, just so it's been said, i'm not. Just an interested veterinarian who loves to point out bad arguments.
At least a bit of a journalistic source to backup my point:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/pesticides-food-fears/
A few years ago I wrote an article for an environmental magazine suggesting that we needed to develop a comprehensive plan for dealing with the rising sea levels. My premise was (and is) that the political systems of most countries will not permit action sufficient to reverse the behaviors that are causing the oceans to warm and the polar caps to melt. As the overwhelming majority of humans life at or near sea level, this presents an almost impossible logistical problem. Entire cities (e.g., Miami, New Orleans, Amsterdam or Hong Kong) cannot be moved to higher ground. The only recourse we have is to try to channel the water to where it will do the least harm. The world's geographers need to identify the lowest lying areas, and our engineers need to begin digging canals from the low coastal areas inland. There is no other "solution" to the problem. It matters not at this point whether the causes of rising sea levels are human or part of some natural cycle the earth experiences.
No one favors abortions Note to anti birth control GOP : Birth control stops abortions ! Corp for profit media does NOT tell the entire story so we can make an informed decision. 24 / 7 news cycle has been a detriment to our country . check out www.fstv.org / pbs news hour M_F 6 pm central Investigate other ( better ) news sources . Trump is outspoken but dangerous , he disrespects women, has a hot temper, and loves himself too much . Imagine Trump negotiating with foreign powers ! Likely would ' bomb them when he got peeved ...which is often . Trump can not take any criticism without 'going off'
See Trump's Q&A open session with supporters on Sept 17. Supports these points.
Oobstructing the massive and drastic government action required to reduce the present high probability of N.T.H.E. (Near Term Human Extinction). due to the failure of incremental measures to prevent deleterious positive feedback loops that will produce catastrophic climate change are the irresponsible and criminally negligent people that continue to defend incremental measures.
The responsibility to care for and preserve the biosphere on behalf of future generations, including returning it to the healthy state it was in over a century ago when we began to severely pollute it, is not optional (unless you are an Empathy Deficit Disordered Evolutionary Dead End).
Distinguished Professor Emeritus Richard Somerville, a world-renowned climate scientist and author of "The Forgiving Air: Understanding Environmental Change," discusses the scientific case for urgent action to limit climate change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Q271UaNPo
The Scientific Case for Urgent Action to Limit Climate Change