April 28th 2009 Tuesday


torture-imagesTopic: "Torture and Democracy" Dr. Darius Rejali, nationally recognized expert on torture and interrogation, joins Thom for an indepth discussion www.reed.edu

Topic: "Obama's foreign policy...back to the future?" Thom confronts conservative columnist Michael Barone www.realclearpolitics.com

Topic: "Worse than Watergate" John Dean, former White House Counsel under Nixon, joins Thom to discuss the Bush torture memos and prosecution for those involved www.findlaw.com


Anthony D. Hall (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

I think that this is a good thing that Arlen Specter is going to switch parties. The Democratic Party is a lot more excepting of Moderates than the Republican Party. This is another example of the Republican Party self destructing.

jenn (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

Britain's torture of Obama's grandfather

Hussein Onyango Obama, a British soldier in the second world war, was locked up as a Mau Mau rebel in Kenya

davegbiz (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

Can Thom or the guest talk about the real reason gov'ts torture? Isn't it partly to scare the rest of the population into not resisting / dissenting / protesting?

We are distracted discussing "did torture yield actionable intelligence" while ignoring one real reason we torture: because it works for that aim. Of course I am against that aim but let's get it into the open and attack *that*

belletiane (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

I had a very old friend who was in the Resistance during the war, caught by the Gestapo and sent to Ravensbruck. When she was dying I sat holding her hand while she cried like a child telling me that when she came home after the war she had not had the courage to see the family of one of her best friends to tell them how she had died, leaving them to the worst thing of all, not knowing.

During a roll call her friend had done some little thing and the Nazis had turned the dogs loose on this girl; they chewed off her breasts and she bled to death on the ground in front of the barracks.

Fifty years later this brave extradinary woman was weeping on her death bed because of what was done to her and her friends, suffering from guilt, she who had suffered so much herself.. From time to time she told me some horror when something brought it back from the hole where she kept them buried but this seemed to be a last convulsion that she could no longer hold inside her.

tim (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

arlen specter does not listen to his electorate...he listens to AIPAC....and when it comes to the zionist allegiance, KKKristianists like Thomhartmann are the ROLLOVER KINGS

what a hypocrite

Lucas T (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

Read George Lakoff's The Political Mind. Explains why conservatives (and progressives) do what they do. Lakoff uses the metaphor of the family to explain the major difference between the two ways of looking at politics, and main theme running through both parties. We need to understand what he calls the Strict Father and Nurturant family models (guess which is which), in order to understand conservatives and progressives and begin framing progressive values (the real American values) in ways that work.

B Roll (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

Blue Dog Democrats have red fleas... that's the problem.

B Roll (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

Was Tim here with us on April 16th as weldon. I remember April 16th because a comment I posted disappeared after a note appeared next to it saying my comment was "awaiting moderation". Then it disappeared without any explanation.

And I remember weldon's comment because of his spelling of "KKKristianists" and his inability to bring reason to his anger over Thom's pro-Israel stance.

Richard Adlof (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

I still can't believe tha folk don't recognize that there are folk worse than Holy Joe LIEberman AND they are unadultered DEMs:

Mary Landrieu
Michael Bennet
Max Baucus
Mark Begich
Kay Hagan
Ben Nelson

Check out and see where your Senators stand at http://www.progressivepunch.org/ or some other such website.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

Nixon! I finally saw Frost Nixon - it was great! What a masterpiece. But what even made it greater was that I had seen RFK in person right before having watched Frost Nixon. RFK was the guest speaker at our College Reunion and wowed us for what seemed a good hour and a half. He was super nice and down to Earth and held no bars back making some good hearted humor of the last administration. Interestingly enough as well, he said he was in fact a free capitalist who felt that we could have free capitalism at the same time as being environmentalists as long as we simply were to value our natural resources and factor them into the costs of products and services. Chuck Walters referred to this as Raw Materials Economics and wrote a book by the same name.

Oh- well, the word Nixon triggered that recent experience with having seen Bobby K speak to us- it made watching the film so much more intense.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

Oh - one more thing- having gotten onto the topic of RFK here, he said one thing that got a chuckle out of all of us which was, 'Don't change your light bulb - Change your politician.'

AZAFVET (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

Regarding Arlen Specter, the Democrats owe a debt of gratitude to Rush, Hannity, Beck and so forth for Specter switching sides. The Republican party will be soon small enough that they it can be drowned in a bathtub.
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Mugsy (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

Here's a little story:

A man was thirsty, so he asked for a drink of water. A second man obliged by shoving a firehose down his throat and turning it on full blast.

"What's the problem? Water isn't harmful. Living things can't live without it!"

KMH (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

Here here- much is due to our own invaluable Thom here. I remember his call to action including the giving out of a website? phone number?-ah- that memory is not as clear, but I clearly remember the actual call to action.

What will Thom brew up next?

On standby waiting for instructions.

Let's get this done- Solartopia, here we come. Organic food and harmony with nature and respect for each other. the end of War! The end of poverty! The Golden Age of Peace is near.

T Bone (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

You know.....very few people seem to actually listen to one another. Everyone seems to have their minds made up who's side their own and the other side is wrong. It doesn't seem to matter what's right for the majority of the people....what's right for the country? Everyone seems to be dropping sound bytes and verbal assaults on the other side. I'm 59 years old and I've never seen this in my life. It reminds me of what McCarthyism must have felt like. Give Obama a break...he is the elected president. Give him and those elected officials a bit of time to do their dang job. Stop with all the hate, slanderous accusations and take a deep breath. Maybe listen up a bit.

Good_Boy (not verified) 10 years 38 weeks ago

Ah! Summer camp, in the country! That was great, 'cause as a kid I/We campers learned there, that jokes and joking could and should, wonderfully express the gross, plying of the individual body, of universal human beings, in ways unknown! That is, the human body is asymmetrical, part like steel (bones), part like sponge(?), and overall it is seperable (?)into various parts, REALLY!? Ex. (said exhuberantly, to a VERY recalcitrant camper, who is swinging from a low tree branch) "Why, I'll stretch your arms sooo far, you're arms will pop off!" And ninth grade biology, in the seventies, took as its job partly, to shock students into new attitudes toward the human body, a surprisingly resilient, tough, and surviving/survivable instrument!!

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