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Quote of the Day: "The spirit of Democracy cannot be established in the midst of terrorism, whether governmental or popular" --Mohandas K. Gandhi

Hour One: "Thom is asking Dan - What's wrong with Socialism?" www.businessandmedia.org Dan Gainor

Guest: Peter DeFazio is calling in to tell us why he voted  - No! - on Cap & Trade.

Hour Two: Pastor Ken Pagano asked his flock to bring their hangguns to church - Thom will be asking him - Shouldn't he lose his tax exempt status?

Hour Three: "Everything You Know is Wrong - Space, the Final Frontier? NASA's plan to bomb the moon?!" Thom talks with futurist Alfred Webre www.peaceinspace.org

Guest: Juan Almendares is calling in from the Honduras to fill in us in on the coup.


Linda Davick (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Don't we have enough things to blow up here on earth without picking on the moon? I designed a "Don't Shoot the Moon" T-shirt and posted it on my blog:


Thank you–I'm looking forward to your show.

Quark (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Quark June 30th, 2009, 12:37 pm

‘Just heard over local MN news report during the 3:00 hour (CDT):




He wished Al Franken well.

Jessie Martin (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

What happened to your Air America slot? Your blog says your last broadcast was Mar. 1st, I know I've heard you since then. How can you be replaced by the blowhard Ed? I serioucsly miss you and your erudite, sane, calm voice.

Michael Tate (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago


Just a quick comment on your opening interview with Dan Gainer? Anyways you were having a very good and interesting conversation, and it seemed like you ran out of things to say when you mentioned the sea ice. I don't really know where that came from, but I think it might help you out in the future if you're able to stay on topic, (and keep your guests on topic).

TFF (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Okay- now Al Gore did a conference call with us a few days before Fridays vote and told us Waxman Markey really was a good bill if you read it carefully. Of course we did not read the bill nor get a chance to ask questions. I can tell you though, as someone who has to teach this to adults all day - that we are up against mind boggling ignorance from persons glued on FOX NEWS. I am of the mind that something passed rather than nothing is a monumental enough task and as much as I love the tough progressive 3- they ought to do what I do every day and see the ignorance themselves. I do blame scientists and progressives for not providing more education and materials for which there are nil even on net - though I have found them, I have really had to dig.

TFF (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

To clarify, you see Obama not just ramming things through - you see him organizing the community, letting them bond, and teach each other at the local level. You see him getting them on board and coming to the information one on one. Progressives need to be doing what Thom is doing, hauling the water daily. We need to emulate Thom at the water cooler with facts. Lord knows the progressives check and balance each other on facts. If only we would take our community organizing seriously in order to tip the public polls before demanding what we want get ram rodded over our fellow Americans who have no idea what we are talking about. I recall being a moron. I so cherish those that took the time to break things down and recap without being arrogant, because in that absence of knowledge and as an admitted idiot, the arrogance never helped me and only repelled me. Please, show mercy on our ignorant brothers and sisters and take the time to consider where they are coming from and walk with them through the painful steps of disciplined thinking and logic.

TFF (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Ah! Yet another clarification, I see Thom and Barack working the same with respect to organizing the community- understanding that it is a monumental task to get everyone on board from the bottom up.

EJCRIST (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

My god....have you seen this on HuffPo??



TFF (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Today, we're unveling a new TV ad in Louisiana with our partners at Democracy for America and MoveOn.org. It features Karen Gadbois, one of Landrieu's constituents and a local hero for her work exposing corruption after Katrina. She shares her compelling story about how the public option would impact her life and asks Landrieu not to side with her big contributors.


B Roll (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago


Thom left Air America a few months ago and signed up with Dial Global. As I recall, the reason Thom and his agent gave for the move is the Air America Radio changed its name to Air America Media, and that Dial Global has a better sales department.

I'm guessing you listen to Green960, which has recently shifted their schedule around and put Ed Schultz in the Thom's old slot. I'm sure you can find out more by Googling Thom Hartmann and Green960. It's kind of hard to understand, except for the fact that Schultz now has a TV show. There also may be some disappointment that (apparently) the company that syndicates Thom informed Green960 that the station could no longer post podcasts for Thom's show on their website. However, I think that's the same for the Ed Schultz Show, which is also syndicated by the same company.

It also seems you're confusing Air America with progressive radio. Green960 is a radio station that airs some of the Air America roster, but their not identical. In fact, when Thom left Air America, he took all of his affiliated stations with him, costing Air America quite a bit or revenue, I assume. Hey, that's capitalism for you.

DRichards (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Top Torture Lawyers Still in Government
... the fact that two of the worst now work for President Barack Obama.


B Roll (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

PS: re Green960 and Thom

I read that the station is trying to work out something with the Thom Hartmann Show and that they plan on Thom being a headliner on the station. But the situation seems strange. I think their current running the full 3 hours of the Mike Malloy Show and then rerunning the complete show immediately after. I heard that when someone (allegedly with the station) called in to the Mike Malloy Show last night.

Rasta (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago


Israel Seizes Aid Ship, Kidnaps Activists

The Israeli military has seized a ship trying to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza in international waters. On Tuesday, Israeli forces boarded the Free Gaza movement’s Spirit of Humanity and towed it to the Israeli port of Ashdod. The twenty-one activists on board have been reportedly denied attorneys and are set to be deported. The kidnapped passengers include former Congress member and presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney and the Irish peace activist and Nobel laureate Mairead Maguire.


Rasta (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago


Israel Seizes Aid Ship, Kidnaps Activists

The Israeli military has seized a ship trying to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza in international waters. On Tuesday, Israeli forces boarded the Free Gaza movement’s Spirit of Humanity and towed it to the Israeli port of Ashdod. The twenty-one activists on board have been reportedly denied attorneys and are set to be deported. The kidnapped passengers include former Congress member and presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney and the Irish peace activist and Nobel laureate Mairead Maguire.


Al (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

How many angels with guns can shoot those guns on the head of a pin?

lollipop (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

In talking about obesity this morning, Thom, please look into plastics and the havoc they are creating in our endocrine systems. Research studies are showing obesity, diabetis, breat and prostate cancer, and so many more we are not aware of. They are called endocrine distruptors, they attach to the DNA and mimic hormones in our systems. Here is a link to an article I read yesterday. Please, anyone reading this, do not drinks anything that is in a plastic bottle, and do not use plastic to carry juices or water to work or when exercising. Use stainless steel containers. Please visit our website and view the 11 videos about what is going on with our tap and bottled water.

brian a. hayes (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

what a joke. god and gunns. the srenght to hate. dr. king always preach the strenght to love. i think pagano needs to read dr. kings book strenght to love.

saucygirl (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

This whole gun issue in churches seems to blur the lines of separation of church and state.

B Roll (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Diversity Report

Today is July 1, 2009, the beginning of the second half of the year in which we have the first African-American, the first African-American Attorney General and most likely the first Latina Supreme Court Justice. On some levels, things are looking good for diversity.

However, there still are areas of stubborn resistance to diversity. Take the Thom Hartmann show, for instance. How many African-American or Latino guests can you recall on the show from January through June of this year?

I’ just working from memory, but I think I can recall three black and zero Latino guests. I seem to recall that Michele Bernard, the president and CEO of the right-wing Independent Women’s Forum on once this year, and I think Thom challenged a whacked out homophobic black minister once.

On the progressive side, Thom had his “friend” and former congresswoman Cynthia McKinney on his show after the Israeli navy almost killed her by ramming a boat she was on taking medical supplies to the besieged people of Gaza.

I think that if we could examine the guest list for first six months of, we’d find the one conservative white woman, Carrie Lukas, has appeared on the show more times than the all the African-American and Latino guests combined.

I guess we can look forward to hearing from Lukas, a new mother, how proud she is when her baby utters its first significant words. “Mama” don’t count and neither does “Dada”. Conservatives get jazzed the first time they hear the babies say, “Me” and “Mine”.

Thom thinks diversity is good in the White House, good in the Department of Justice, even good in the New Haven Fire Department, but on his show... not so much.

B Roll (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Maybe Dr. George Tiller should have belonged to Pastor Pagano's church.

Mena Sprague (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Our message to Senator-elect Al Franken. "You are good enough, you are smart enough and dog gone it - people just like you."

B Roll (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago


You better hope we're not all part of some "morphogenic field" where everybody's thoughts effect us all. Do you realize how many guys are jacking off to Internet porn right now? They probably outnumber the meditators. Maybe the masturbators could get a tax break too. Hey, I might even want a little of that action. It might be more fruitful than posting here.

brian a. hayes (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

people need to use wisdom in looking toward others for direction in life. anyone that follows pagano is not using wisdom. people must look into their own lives. why i think and feel the way i do. how can i become a better person. people must have the wisdom to seek out good friends. evil friends and evil preachers will only destroy you.

Gabriel (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

I figured out how to even the playing field in regards to campaign finance. Since we are able to prohibit corporations for contributing to campaigns, lets do the next best thing; TAX them. Then use the proceeds to fund a public candidate. The tax rate, I believe, should be a minimum of 100%! But ideally it should be about 1000%!!

B Roll (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

My message to Senator Al Franken,

I listened to you for years as and your friends Peter Galbraith and Tom Ricks tried to figure out how "we" could win the illegal Iraq War. I don't trust you as far as I can spit into the wind.

You're definitely better than Norm Coleman, but that's a bar set low.

Overall, I expect you'll be pretty good on more issues than you'll be bad on. You're not progressive enough, you're not intellectually honest enough and dog gone it -- I just don't like you.

Will your good friend G (G. Gordon LIddy) be attending your swearing in? I'm sure you and Frannie would enjoy going out to dinner with G and his wife again.

brian a. hayes (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

the iraq afganistain veterians of america are asking people to view their new video. they want to get 4,000 people to view by july 4.

Dan (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

A solution to our jobs problem and economy would be to tariff all imports across the board. This would mean we would get out of the WTO. GATT and the WTO have been losers for the US manufacturing sector and workers. The tariffs would start low and over time go to 15%, 20%. This would cause you to pay more for imports, thus push workers to start saving more, which is what the Chinese are doing to build a super economy through forced savings rate. Tariffs would minimize the devaluation of the dollar keeping the dollar strong and oil prices down. The government’s job should be to eliminate the deficit by increasing the saving rate of corporate America and the workers. Another possible fix is a value added tax to counter the value added tax rates in Europe and East Asia. They use the value added taxes to put our imports at a disadvantage. The right wing globalist’s lobby has conditioned us to believe any tariffs will lead us to the next depression. So what are we experiencing now with no or little tariffs? They always point to the Smoot Hawley tariffs of the 1930's caused the depression, which is an urban myth. As the great free market capitalist, Milton Freidman, has proven that it did not lead to the depression, but it was, as is now, a misguide monetary management. If the Congress were patriots then they would fix this economy with a tariff policy, and the only excuse not to would be treasonous, but as it is with globalism, the foreign governments, through Corporate CEOs, have more power in Congress than US Citizens.

Quark (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago


Thank you for bringing us (me) information and opportunities to take action in some way to help make the world a little bit better.

btw, it's interesting to hear about the Disclosure Project again. The last I heard, they were going to make a MAJOR announcement at the National Press Club several years ago about the existence of aliens and UFOs. Their announcement landed with a thud; I never heard any more about it.

DRichards (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Re: NASA moon bombing violates space law & may cause conflict with lunar ET/UFO civilizations


BTW, No, I do not believe that there are aliens on the moon.

Quark (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

B Roll,

I'm sorry to say I agree with you, with experience in Dem. politics here in MN to back up my opinions. The reason the election was so close was that Minnesotans weren't thrilled with either candidate. Al Franken has a crush on the Clintons (which, while he didn't use the word "crush", really came across when he told me about his relationship with them.) I will wait and watch to see if he really can be progressive.

Norm Coleman was SO bad, even St. Paul, MN (where he was former mayor) didn't go for him in the election.

B Roll (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago


Any ice there might be on the moon could be key to the future of humanity in space. Although it could supply water for colonists to drink or grow food, more importantly, it could get split up to make hydrogen and oxygen for fuel for rockets.

"It costs about $10,000 to $15,000 per pound to launch something in the space shuttle, and there are about 8 pounds of water to a gallon, so we're talking about $100,000 to bring a gallon of water to low Earth orbit," Colaprete said. "If we can use the lunar poles as a resource, we could use them as staging bases to go elsewhere on the moon, or beyond the moon, or beyond Mars or Europa or elsewhere we'd want to go. You wouldn't have to bring up millions of gallons of fuel, you could produce it on the moon."

So, Thom, your instincts were right about this one.

B Roll (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago


I like it when you agree with me. I think it we agree fairly often.

mathboy (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

At first I thought the quacking was for the foll of a caller that thought th emoon landings were fake. Just read badastronomy.com to be disabused.

Quark (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

B Roll,

LOL! I'll pat your back while you pat mine!

I really wish I didn't agree with you on the Franken thing. Better candidates just didn't have the name or the money...

Quark (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

B Roll,

Besides that, the local Air America station was pushing him really hard.

Quark (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

B Roll,

I went out of my way to go to Franken's events, talk with him, etc. I really wanted to support him whole heartedly. I gave him some money but didn't work on his campaign.

B Roll (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago


I found Franken to be very self-indulgent. Although I didn't like his co-host Katherine Lanpher very much, she tended to keep him focused on the topic being discussed. He also used to get on my nerves with his mawkish comments about the people in the military. It always seemed he was about to cry. I kind of wished he would have stayed on Saturday Night Live.

But to be realistic, I think he'll probably be pretty solidly in the liberal camp, especially on domestic policy. Of course, that's just based on what I heard on his radio show. Hopefully, he learned his lesson about war. The reason he favored the Iraq war in the beginning was that he believed Collin Powell.

I'm waiting to see if he treats the rest of the senators to some of his boring monologues.

Mugsy (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Thom, couple of quick notes to your last caller.

Other objects in space reflect the light of our sun. Other planets, other moons, and the orbiting return-module would all be visible from the surface of the moon.

Stars, however, are NOT visible from space. You won't see them during shuttle missions and you can't see them from the Moon. You need an ATMOSPHERE to diffuse the light of stars to make them visible to the naked eye.

nora (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago


Is there somewhere to hear past shows? (I don’t have an iPod, so that’s out.)

We only get two hours of the show on the radio now, and sure would like to hear the hour I missed!

Any suggestions? Thanks.

nora (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Possible cause of the bizarre increase in human obesity: Factory Farm animals are given GROWTH HORMONES to make them grow faster so that the animals are ready for market earlier -- for the ourpose of providing more PROFITS for the factory farmers. Americans who eat the animals' flesh are eating those increased levels of GROWTH HORMONES in that meat. How does the obesity problem correlate with the use of these GROWTH HORMONES used in animal husbandry?

louise (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

Nora - you don't have to have an IPod to hear the podcasts - you can just listen on your computer easily. Send an email to webmaster@thomhartmann.com and our web person will help you. You can hear all three hours plus Thom's news. We also have a newsletter coming out soon we'll be sending by email - with links to the show topics and more - once you sign in as a member.

Ben (not verified) 14 years 51 weeks ago

If anyone does not believe that we did not land on the moon, tell them to watch the Mythbusters episode on Moon Myths. In this episode they examined many of the things that people say are evidence that it was faked and all were busted. A caller mentioned a second light source and that was disproven by recreating a model of the moon landing using material that is said to have the same refletivity of the moon surface and the doll was just as lit up as in the moon landing photo. It was a facinating show and really proved to me that we DID land on the moon.

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