July 01 2009 show notes

Quote: "The spirit of democracy cannot be established in the midst of terrorism, whether governmental or popular." -- Mohandas K. Gandhi.

  • Article: Climate scenarios 'being realised' By Matt McGrath BBC environment reporter, Copenhagen."The worst-case scenarios on climate change envisaged by the UN two years ago are already being realised, say scientists at an international meeting."
  • Guest: Dan Gainor, the T. Boone Pickens Fellow and the Vice President of the Business & Media Institute. What's wrong with socialism? What is wrong with having a floor so that people do not end up in abject poverty? European economies are generally more recession proof, consumer spending is up. As with health care, the US spends more on education and yet is not near the top for results. He said the rise in cost is due to the fact that the US has modern technology that is the envy of the world, Thom said many other countries have access to it. Billions of people do not, though. Thom said the main driver was profits in health care and the pharmaceutical industry. The NIH pays for more than half of medical research. Gainor said then nobody would make drugs. Thom pointed out many drugs are made in Europe.Patent laws, which Thom called a government welfare program. Thom agreed that common good comes before private good, which is what Hermann Goering said. Thom said Hitler pats dogs and likes children, that doesn't mean that everyone who pats dogs and likes children ends up like Hitler. He said Thom was saying government comes before individuals, Thom said government was here for individuals. Arctic ice melting. This is the Atlantic sea ice they keep telling us will disappear each year? He said that the Democrats will benefit from cap and trade.
  • Bumper Music: Shake It Up, The Cars.
  • Guest: Oregon Congressman Peter DeFazio. One of the most progressive members of the House of Representatives. He has refused to take his pay raises over the years, using over $300,000 in after tax salary to fund 187 scholarships.Cap and Trade. People are already planning to create derivatives, tranches and credit default swaps on the carbon credits, creating another bubble, and it would prohibit the EPA from regulating Greenhouse gases. It is very coal friendly. Transcript.
  • Article: Sex snare for top executives, Luke Johnson.
  • Al Franken won yesterday, is to be seated. Harry Reid waited for Pawlenty. Democratic senators now have 60 votes. Bernie has said it is time to take the pledge - no new filibusters from Democrats. They can't use Al Franken as an excuse any longer, debates will change. Republicans will hold Democrats responsible.
  • Article: CAP, Wal-Mart, SEIU Join Forces in Support of Employer Mandate, Matthew Yglesias.
  • Article: Letter to President Barack Obama, June 30, 2009.
    "Dear President Obama,As the Congress considers legislation reforming our health care system, many difficult choices lie ahead. During the debate, we must keep our eyes trained on one clear imperative: reforming health care is necessary not just to improve the health of all Americans, but also to remove the burden that is crushing America’s businesses and hampering our competitiveness in the global economy.

    As the nation’s largest private employer, the nation’s largest union of health care workers with over one million members, and a think tank that has been a leader on health care policy, we have worked closely in support of health care reform since 2006, when we came together to help break the stalemate that had defined the health care debate for too long. Now, to move the debate forward once again, we are coming together to advance what we believe are important proposals that should be included in the current efforts to reform our nation’s health care system.

    We believe now is the time for action on this vital issue. We commend the leadership of elected officials who are committed to enactment of reform, and we appreciate the commitment to inclusion and transparency which has been present thus far.

    We are entering a critical time during which all of us who will be asked to pay for health care reform will have to make a choice on whether to support the legislation. This choice will require employers to consider the trade off of agreeing to a coverage mandate and additional taxes versus the promise of reduced health care cost increases.

    Today, health care costs more because we don’t cover everyone – the average family premium costs an additional $1,100 because our system fails to provide continuous coverage for all Americans. And losing coverage pushes people already dealing with financial hardship to the verge of financial collapse. One accident or unexpected illness can financially ruin them. In 2008, half of all people filing for home foreclosure cited medical problems as a cause.

    A large and growing uninsured population also cripples our broader economic growth. The higher taxes and premiums needed to meet rising health care costs threaten to consume the benefits of nearly all economic growth over the next four decades, according to research published in the journal Health Affairs. And the U.S. economy is losing up to $244 billion every year in lost productivity due to the uninsured according to a new analysis by the Center for American Progress.

    From a business perspective, health reform could not be more critical. A majority of Americans—158 million—receive their coverage through their job or their spouse’s job, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. But few businesses will be able to keep up with the pace at which premiums are rising. Premiums are expected to rise by 20 percent in less than four years, according to research by professors at Harvard University -- costing 3.5 million workers their jobs, and cutting insured workers’ average annual incomes by $1,700.

    Fiscally, the growing cost of health care is poised to drive our federal budget over a cliff. A recent report by the Senate Finance Committee found that by 2017, “health care expenditures are expected to consume nearly 20 percent of the GDP.” In his former role as Director of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), current Office of Management and Budget Director Peter Orszag testified to Congress that, “the single most important factor influencing the federal government’s long-term fiscal balance is the rate of growth in health care costs.”

    We believe payment reform and efficiency initiatives need to be at the center of healthcare reform. The President and the Congress have put forward good ideas to improve the productivity of our health care sector. These policies need to be strengthened and adopted because health care reform without controlling costs is no reform at all.

    We are for shared responsibility. Not every business can make the same contribution, but everyone must make some contribution. We are for an employer mandate which is fair and broad in its coverage, but any alternative to an employer mandate should not create barriers to hiring entry level employees. We look forward to working with the Administration and Congress to develop a requirement that is both sensible and equitable.

    Support for a mandate also requires the strongest possible commitment to rein in health care costs. Guaranteeing cost containment is essential. One way to ensure savings was recently advanced by former Senate Majority Leaders Howard Baker, Tom Daschle and Bob Dole, “Implement pre-specified targets for spending growth and enact a “trigger” mechanism that automatically enforces reductions,” (Crossing Our Lines, Bipartisan Policy Center) President Obama suggested strengthening the role of Med Pac to help enforce spending discipline.

    With smart, targeted policies, we can create a financially-viable health care system that enables workers to change jobs without losing their care, and allows businesses to become more nimble. Health care costs will no longer stand in the way of their ability to retool for the 21st century. Focusing on health care cost savings – and demonstrating a strong commitment to achieving these savings– would make this bill a win / win for employers, individuals and America’s competitiveness.


  • Thom thinks it is a bad thing, because it binds you to your employer. You should not have to have a job.
  • Article: US private sector sheds 473,000 jobs - ADP says job losses to continue, Alan Rappeport, FT.
  • Article: Insured, but Bankrupted by Health Crises, Reed Abelson, New York Times.
  • Why the job losses will continue. We have done nothing to solve the underlying problems. China included a Buy Chinese provision in its stimulus. Rant.473,000 Americans lost their jobs in the private sector last month according to the Financial Times, and job losses are expected to continue. It's going to carry on. Why? Because we're doing anything about the fundamentals of our economy. The Chinese put a "buy Chinese only" provision in their $800 billion stimulus bill. We took a $800 billion stimulus bill, put half of it to tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, which will provide no stimulus whatsoever, and some small tax cuts for middle and low income folks, which will provide minimal stimulus, and we took out the "buy American" provision so our stimulus will be China's stimulus. That is what is going on. It is absolutely bizarre.

    75 percent of people who go bankrupt because of sickness had health insurance, according to the New York Times, which shows how bad some of these policies are. Another reason just to say, "a pox on all their houses". We should make primary health care insurance illegal for all but not-for-profit corporations or the government.

  • Post Office readjusting routes, 2,500-3,000 will go. If you have worked for them for under 6 years you can get laid off.
  • Article: John 18:36.
    "Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place." "
  • Article: John 14:27.
    "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you: not as the world gives, give I to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
  • Article: Pastor welcomes guns in church.
  • Amendment II
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    Constitution of the United States, final version, September 21, 1789 (ratified December 15, 1791).
  • Guest: Pastor Ken Pagano. He urged his parishioners to bring their guns to church. Why? Jesus rebuked Peter for cutting off the ear with a sword because it was Jesus's destiny, not because he had a sword. Yet the apostles were killed. Gandhi. Thom did 2 years of seminary and is ordained. The founding fathers. Patrick Henry. Why should our tax dollars pay for your infrastructure if you are preaching beyond religion? Political statement, the 2nd amendment is not in the bible.
  • James Madison said in his first veto, "Because the bill vests in the said incorporated church an authority to provide for the support of the poor and the education of poor children of the same, an authority which, being altogether superfluous if the provision is to be the result of pious charity, would be a precedent for giving to religious societies as such a legal agency in carrying into effect a public and civil duty".Read the correspondence between James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson, who was not a Christian, was very concerned that the religious might end up in political power and try to create a theocracy. Madison said that's crazy, the American people would never be silly enough to vote for the hard core bible thumpers who represent a small minority, ain't going to happen. On the other hand James Madison, a Christian, was worried that if the government started passing out money to churches, it would corrupt the churches. It turns out they were both right in their fears.

    Pastor Ken Pagano recently urged his parishioners to bring their guns to church inviting people to bring their guns to church to celebrate the Second Amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.". Here we have churches wandering into the realm of right wing American politics, and they want to do so with your and my tax dollars by maintaining their tax exemption.

    Carved into the stone of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington, DC are the words, "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny imposed upon the mind of man." A lot of people say, "see, that proves what a religious man Thomas Jefferson was. But they take it out of context.

    Shortly before the 1800 election he wrote to a Deist friend, "

    The delusion ...on the clause of the Constitution, which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists.

    "The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes, and they [the preachers] believe that any portion of power confided to me [such as his being elected President], will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough too in their opinion."

    Jefferson also said, "We might as well say that the Newtonian system of philosophy is a part of the common law, as that the Christian religion is. ...In truth, the alliance between Church and State in England has ever made their judges accomplices in the frauds of the clergy; and even bolder than they are."

    They are proudly bringing their guns to church when people are being killed in churches with guns. It's tragic. And I think it's wrong that your tax dollars and mine should be supporting it. And in fact, I think, personally, that it is time for us to say, "you know, no more tax exemption for churches, period." I don't want to see another Pat Roberts raising a billion dollars like he did on tax exemptions.

  • Bumper Music: You May be Right, Billy Joel.
  • Obama gun policies. An interview with Pastor Ken was posted online, saying there was increased concern since Obama was elected. Racist. Use the money to help poor - health care. Some churches take a vow of poverty, we don't want them to work if meditating all day long. Morphogenic field. Thom would support them.
  • Thom's position on 2nd amendment? It was a compromise. Militia. Madison said standing armies make mischief.
  • Bumper Music: Change, Tracy Chapman (Would you change?).
  • Bumper Music: Crazy, Gnarls Barkley.
  • Article: Drunk Man Terrorizes Neighborhood on Bulldozer.
  • Clip:
    "You've got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops and I am for the President — chase them all over the world, if it takes ten years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord."
    Jerry Falwell, CNN Late Edition, 24 October 2004.
  • Clip:
    "It's a bloodthirsty religion that's practiced over there by a bunch of throwbacks, and we're to kill 'em." Michael Savage.
  • Guns in schools.
  • Article: NASA moon bombing violates space law & may cause conflict with lunar ET/UFO civilizations, Alfred Lambremont Webre.
  • Everything You Know Is Wrong segment: Guest: Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD MEd. EXOPOLITICS: Politics, Government, and Law in the Universe, Campaign for Cooperation in Space. NASA plans to bomb the moon. It's a against article 3 of the UN outer space treaty which the US ratified. The US has not signed the moon treaty, others have. Who would care? Extraterrestrials. Apollo 11 said they saw 2 extraterrestrials? See The Disclosure Project for testimony. We may have a secret base on the moon we need to blow up before other countries get there.
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  • Guest: Dr. Juan Almendares, Enable International, calling from Honduras. Tegucigalpa-based free health clinic, Honduran Health Exchange, a community-directed peace organization, COHAPAZ, and the Center for the Treatment of Torture Victims and their Families (CPTRT) in Tegucigalpa. Military coup. Unstable, unsafe. Violation of human rights, broke constitution. Obama has been urging people to respect the constitution. Do they think the US helped it because the president was a friend of Chavez? Military and ruling class training with the School of the Americas. People were OK with the deposed president. What can listeners do to help people? International solidarity, pressure. Contact representatives.
  • Article: Woman to Police: Dog 'Made Me' Steal Money.
  • Article: Treasure Coast man charged with spraying wife with garden hose for smoking.
  • Article: College student tries to steal jail computer.
  • Bumper Music: Democracy is coming to the USA, Leonard Cohen.
  • Article: Press Briefing By Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, July 1, 2009.
    Q Will there be dissenting views --Q Yes, how about that?

    MR. GIBBS: I think that's a very safe bet. But, again, let's -- how about we do this? I promise we will interrupt the AP's tradition of asking the first question. I will let you ask me a question tomorrow as to whether you thought the questions at the town hall meeting that the President conducted at Annandale --

    Q I'm perfectly happy to --

    Q That's not his point. The point is the control --

    Q Exactly.

    Q -- we have never had that in the White House. And we have had some, but not --

    Q This White House.

    MR. GIBBS: Yes, I was going to say, I'll let you amend her question.

    Q I'm amazed -- I'm amazed at you people who call for openness and transparency and --

    MR. GIBBS: Helen, you haven't even heard the questions.

    Q It doesn't matter. It's the process.

    Q You have left open --

    Q Even if there's a tough question, it's a question coming from somebody who was invited or was screened, or the question was screened.

    Q It's shocking. It's really shocking.

    MR. GIBBS: Chip, let's have this discussion at the conclusion of the town hall meeting. How about that?

    Q Okay.

    MR. GIBBS: I think --

    Q No, no, no, we're having it now --

    MR. GIBBS: Well, I'd be happy to have it now.

    Q It's a pattern.

    MR. GIBBS: Which question did you object to at the town hall meeting, Helen?

    Q It's a pattern. It isn't the question --

    MR. GIBBS: What's a pattern?

    Q It's a pattern of controlling the press.

    MR. GIBBS: How so? Is there any evidence currently going on that I'm controlling the press -- poorly, I might add. (Laughter.)

    Q Your formal engagements are pre-packaged.

    MR. GIBBS: How so?

    Q Well, and controlling the public --

    Q How so? By calling reporters the night before to tell them they're going to be called on. That is shocking.

    MR. GIBBS: We had this discussion ad nauseam and --

    Q Of course you would because you don't have any answers.

    MR. GIBBS: Well, because I didn't know you were going to ask a question, Helen.

    Go ahead.

    Q Well, you should have.

  • Ellen Ratner of Talk Radio News. President's town hall. Helen and others went after Gibbs, alternative points of view, control. She has been there since 1993, it was the first time transcriber as laughing, see the transcript, back and forth between Gibbs and Helen Thomas about control of the press. Unemployment figures due tomorrow. ADP says almost 500,000. Gibbs said we always said this would take time, 10% possible. China is spending the same amount, buy China, no tax cuts, seeing 7% growth. She will be in Poland next week.
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