July 06 2009 show notes

  • Quote: "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt.
  • Is the Republican Party still alive and kicking...are we addicted to war - is there no hope for peace?
  • Article: Michael Scheuer: Obama Doesn’t Care ‘About Protecting This Country’. Ryan Powers.
  • Article: Is Michael Scheuer Actually Urging an Attack on America? Spencer Ackerman.
  • Article: What if Osama Calls Obama’s Bluff?, Michael Scheuer.
  • Guest: Michael Scheuer. CIA veteran served as the Chief of the bin Laden unit (aka Alec Station), the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counterterrorism Center; (resigned from CIA in 2004) currently Adjunct Professor of Security Studies at Georgetown University and a Senior Fellow at the Jamestown Foundation. Author of several books including "Imperial Hubris. Why the West is Losing the War on Terrorism" and "Marching Toward Hell: America and Islam After Iraq". Global terrorism analysis. He said on two programs, he feels Obama does not care about protecting the American people. What has not been done. Borders open. He thinks our leaders have submitted to world public opinion rather that national sovereignty.
  • Bumper Music: World Hold On, Bob Sinclar (video).
  • Robert Strange Macnamara has died. He was Secretary of Defense during the Vietnam War, former president of the Ford Motor company who thought he could run the war by numbers. He was in agony over it, as was LBJ.
  • Clip:
    "Now we turned when we found that the South Vietnamese haven't given the support and are not making the effort. Now we are saying we are going to fight there so we don't have to fight in Thailand, so we don't have to fight on the west coast of the United States, so they won't move across the Rockies. ...

    I mean, do we have the right here in the United States to say that we are going to kill tens of thousands, make millions of people, as we have millions of people refugees, kill women and children as we have?

    There is thirty-five thousand people without limbs in South Vietnam, a hundred and fifty thousand civilian casualties every year. Thousands of children are killed because of our efforts.

    Do we have that right, here in the United States, to perform these acts, because we want to protect ourselves so it is not a greater problem for us in the United States?

    I very seriously question whether we have that right. And I think other people are fighting it, other people are carrying the burden. But this is also our war. Those of us who stay here in the United States. We must feel it when we use Napalm and when a village is destroyed and civilians are killed. This is also our responsibility.

    This is a moral obligation and a moral responsibility for us here in the United States. And I think we have forgotten about that. And when we switched from one point of view to another, I think we have forgotten about that. And I think it should be discussed and all of us should examine our own conscience of what we are doing in South Vietnam. It's not just the fact that we're killing North Vietnamese soldiers of Viet Cong, we are also responsible for tens and tens of thousands of innocent civilian casualties, and I think we are going to have a difficult time explaining this to ourselves.

    Robert F. Kennedy, Television Interview On Vietnam War, June 17, 1967.
  • Clip:
    LBJ: "I shudder at getting too deeply involved there and everybody thinks that's the only alternative."

    Adlai Stevenson: "Well, I've been shuddering on this thing for three years, and I'm afraid we're in a position now where you don't have any alternative, and it's a hell of an alternative and it fairly gives me the shakes and that, I don't know, he was going to give me all the up-to-date plans.
    May 27, 1964.

  • Clip:
    Johnson: I will tell you the more, I just stayed awake last night thinking of this thing, and the more that I think of it I don't know what in the hell, it looks like to me that we're getting into another Korea. It just worries the hell out of me. I don't see what we can ever hope to get out of there with once we're committed. I believe the Chinese Communists are coming into it. I don't think that we can fight them 10,000 miles away from home and ever get anywhere in that area. I don't think it's worth fighting for and I don't think we can get out. And it's just the biggest damn mess that I ever saw.

    Bundy: It is an awful mess.

    Johnson: And we just got to think about it. I'm looking at this Sergeant of mine this morning and he's got 6 little old kids over there, and he's getting out my things, and bringing me in my night reading, and all that kind of stuff, and I just thought about ordering all those kids in there. And what in the hell am I ordering them out there for? What in the hell is Vietnam worth to me? What is Laos worth to me? What is it worth to this country? We've got a treaty but hell, everybody else has got a treaty out there, and they're not doing a thing about it.

    Bundy: Yeah, yeah.

    Johnson: Of course, if you start running from the Communists, they may just chase you right into your own kitchen.

    Bundy: Yeah, that's the trouble. And that is what the rest of that half of the world is going to think if this thing comes apart on us. That's the dilemma, that's exactly the dilemma.

    Telephone Conversation Between President Johnson and the President's Special Assistant for National Security Affairs (McGeorge Bundy). Washington, May 27, 1964, 11:24 a.m.

  • We need a new metaphor, maybe what Obama was doing in Russia. Reduction of nuclear weapons, but permission to fly troops into Afghanistan.
  • Article: Comedians Mourn Palin's Resignation, Andy Borowitz.
  • Article: Fascism Coming to a Court Near You: Corporate Personhood and the Roberts' Court by Thom Hartmann.
  • Are we addicted to war? Thom does not think it is our nature. The city of Caral, Peru lived in peace for 1,000 years. Wars in Afghanistan, Iraq. We should start backing out quickly, or change to helping them rebuild, switching from military to financial aid.
  • Clip:
    "The time has come for America to hear the truth about this tragic war. In international conflicts, the truth is hard to come by because most nations are deceived about themselves. Rationalizations and the incessant search for scapegoats are the psychological cataracts that blind us to our sins. But the day has passed for superficial patriotism. He who lives with untruth lives in spiritual slavery. Freedom is still the bonus we receive for knowing the truth. "Ye shall know the truth," says Jesus, "and the truth shall set you free." Now, I've chosen to preach about the war in Vietnam because I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality. There comes a time when silence becomes betrayal."
    Martin Luther King, "Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam" speech, April 30, 1967, Riverside Church, New York.
  • Clip:
    "I have, therefore, chosen this time and place to discuss a topic on which ignorance too often abounds and the truth too rarely perceived -- and that is the most important topic on earth: peace.

    What kind of peace do I mean and what kind of a peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war, not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace -- the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living -- and the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and build a better life for their children -- not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women -- not merely peace in our time but peace in all time...

    I speak of peace, therefore, as the necessary rational end of rational men. I realize the pursuit of peace is not as dramatic as the pursuit of war -- and frequently the words of the pursuers fall on deaf ears. But we have no more urgent task...

    No government or social system is so evil that its people must be considered as lacking in virtue...

    Our military forces are committed to peace and disciplined in self-restraint. Our diplomats are instructed to avoid unnecessary irritants and purely rhetorical hostility.

    For we can seek a relaxation of tensions without relaxing our guard. And for our part, we do not need to use threats to prove we are resolute...

    Meanwhile, we seek to strengthen the United Nations, to help solve its financial problems, to make it a more effective instrument for peace, to develop it into a genuine world security system -- a system capable of resolving disputes on the basis of law, of insuring the security of the large and the small, and of creating conditions under which arms can finally be abolished...

    The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war. We do not want a war. We do not now expect a war. This generation of Americans has already had enough -- more than enough -- of war and hate and oppression. We shall be prepared if others wish it. We shall be alert to try to stop it. But we shall also do our part to build a world of peace where the weak are safe and the strong are just. We are not helpless before that task or hopeless of its success. Confident and unafraid, we must labor on -- not towards a strategy of annihilation but towards a strategy of peace.

    John F. Kennedy, June 10, 1963, American University Speech.
  • Our fears are misplaced; more people die from drunk drivers, tobacco, obesity etc. article yesterday re high fructose corn syrup. High Fructose Corn Syrup. War kills people, damages the Earth, wastes resources, changes us.
  • Clip:
    LBJ: "Now, I don't want to have information that ought to be public and not make it so. At the--on the other hand, we have a lot of--I don't know how much we can do there and I know we'll be charged with trying to interfere with the election. And I think this is something that's going to require the best judgments that we have. I'm rather concerned by this Saville Davis conversation with the Embassy this morning."

    Rusk: "Now, which conversation?"

    LBJ: "The Christian Science Monitor man called the Embassy this morning and wanted to see the Ambassador and he was unavailable. He told the party answering that he wanted to check out a story received from his correspondent in Saigon; that he planned to come to the Embassy and wait until he could see him; that the dispatch from Saigon contained the elements of a major scandal which involves the Vietnamese Ambassador and which will affect Presidential candidate Nixon if the Monitor publishes it. Time is of the essence inasmuch as Davis has a deadline to meet if he publishes it."
    192. Telephone Conversation Among President Johnson, Secretary of Defense Clifford, Secretary of State Rusk, and the President's Special Assistant (Rostow). November 4, 1968, 12:27 p.m.

  • Clip:
    LBJ: "Now I can identify them because I know who's doing this. I don't want to identify it. I think it would shock America if a principal candidate was playing with a source like this on a matter this important. I don't want to do that. But if they're going to put this kind of stuff out, they ought to know that we know what they're doing. I know who they're talking to and I know what they're saying. And my judgment is that Nixon ought to play it just like he has all along, that I want to see peace come the first day we can, that it's not going to affect the election one way or the other. The conference is not even going to be held until after the election. They have stopped shelling the cities. They have stopped going across the DMZ. We've had 24 hours of relative peace. Now, if Nixon keeps the South Vietnamese away from the conference, well, that's going to be his responsibility. Up to this point, that's why they're not there. I had them signed on board until this happened."

    Dirksen: "Yeah, OK."

    LBJ: "Well, now, what do you think we ought to do about it?"

    Dirksen: "Well, I better get in touch with him, I think, and tell him about it."

    LBJ: "I think you better tell him that his people are saying to these folks that they oughtn't to go through with this meeting. Now if they don't go through with the meeting, it's not going to be me that's hurt. I think it's going to be whoever is elected, and may be--my guess--him. And I think they're making a very serious mistake, and I don't want to say this, and you're the only one I'm going to say it to."


    LBJ: "I know this--that they're contacting a foreign power in the middle of a war. "

    Dirksen: "That's a mistake."

    LBJ: "And it's a damn bad mistake. Now I don't want to say so, and you're the only man I have confidence in to tell them. But you better tell them they better quit playing with it. And the day after the election I'll sit down with all of you and try to work it out and be helpful. But they oughtn't to knock out this conference."

    Dirksen: "Whoever they are, I'll try to get ahold of them tonight."

    LBJ: "Well, there are two things they ought to do. One is--they ought to stop this business about trying to keep the conference from taking place. It takes place the day after the election. The second thing is--we can all sit down and talk about it after that time. And I'm not a bitter partisan here. You know it."

    Dirksen: "I know. Well, I'll try to find them, wherever they are tonight. "

    LBJ: "Well, you just tell them their people are messing around in this thing, and if they don't want it on the front pages, they better quit it, number one. Number two, they--we better sit down and talk about it as soon as this thing is over with, and we'll try to work it out. And they ought to tell their people that are contacting these embassies to go on with the conference. "

    Dirksen: "Right. "

    LBJ: "OK."

    Dirksen: "I agree."

    LBJ: "OK. Bye." "
    181. Telephone Conversation Between President Johnson and Senator Everett Dirksen. 9:18 p.m. on November 2, 1968.

  • Article: Get the Facts Right on Healthcare. Carrie L. Lukas.
  • Article: Reuters Clueless on Business Health Care Opposition. Carrie L. Lukas.
  • Article: Health Care Lies. Carrie L. Lukas.
  • Article: We Can’t Afford Universal Fire Protection by XNeeOhCon.
  • Guest: Carrie Lukas, Vice President for Policy and Economics, Independent Women's Forum. Author, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Women, Sex, and Feminism". Why do conservatives want to stop our houses from burning but don't care about our bodies burning down? Health Care Lies...getting the facts straight?!" "We Can’t Afford Universal Fire Protection" faux news article. She said health care is not the same as fires. It needs a lot of money sunk into new technologies, we need the profit motive. Development of new lighting due to mandates, and gas mileage, it will not kill innovation. The Post Office delivers mail, has not put FedEx out of business. The Post Office is having budget problems. She said America is still the best, has the most medical tourism. Manufacture of fancy medical machines is coming out of Germany, new drugs from Switzerland. America is mostly patent-tweaking. She uses a US government health care system in Austria.
  • Bumper Music: Everybody Hurts, R.E.M. (video).
  • Article: Ex-topless model to host leaders’ partners at Berlusconi’s summit.
  • The health care reform bill that emerges from Congress this year, Schumer says will definitely have a public option. It is starting to sound like the Democrats have figured out that they can disagree on legislation, can get 50 votes, it is time to end filibusters. Robert Byrd and Ted Kennedy are not there for every vote. The health insurance industry today hired 350 former legislators and staffers at a cost of $1.4m a day to lobby. If the Supreme Court has its way, in September they may roll back 101 years of campaign finance laws going back to the Tillman Act of 1907. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission about the Hillary movie. Scalia asked Ted Olson to go back and redo the arguments to include all cases back over 30 years that challenged the right of Congress to do any legislation to restrict corporate speech. The corrosive influence of massive wealth.
  • Bumper Music: Crazy, Gnarls Barkley.
  • Article: New Swiss firefighting tool: TV remote control.
  • The difference between corporations and unions spending money, yet made no difference, we get it. Thom thinks corporations and unions should be able to recommend to their people, but not contribute to campaigns. Issue ads. Before Tillman, politicians were owned.
  • Article: Elgin cabbie fends off attacker with deodorant.
  • The little people of America want to ban the use of the word midget.
  • Article: Palin’s demise and the Republican fall, Financial Times.
  • Guest: Shannyn Moore. Award winning progressive radio broadcaster based in Anchorage, Alaska. She writes at Huffington Post. Palin resigns...the real story behind the headlines! Sarah Palin threatened to sue her. Is Palin going to sue the Financial Times too? She said Palin's announcement did not make sense, raising old rumors. There are lots of rumors, for example, the iceberg scandal. Thom says that as a private person on the celebrity A list, she can book with a bureau and pull $50,000 per speech, and disguise them as fundraisers. 20 a year is a million bucks a year, she could have it made, she did not like being governor. She's going to have to do a better speaking job than when she resigned. Her base is 'right to life'. It is sad for those who voted, campaigned for her. This is why Thom thinks she is cashing in, not a bid for higher office. She will get $2m for a book. Village Voice investigation into her her house. Rumor about her maternity. Why did she not name others to sue? Perhaps because they have attorneys. She has been really ramping up her visibility, Letterman, Kosovo. She would have been more in the spotlight if not for Michael Jackson. She can't say that is what she is doing. Thom would be telling her to get out now while she's at the top, like Jerry Seinfeld.
  • Bumper Music: North To Alaska, Johnny Horton.
  • Guest: "Labor Segment": Larry Bell, IBEW Business Manager. Union busting in Alaska. The IBEW has a group of 16 mechanics, radio techs and warehouse people who service the buses that take visitors through Denali National Park, whose work is privatized. They have been trying to reach an agreement with their employer for more than six months. Although the workers have made concessions, the employer (Doyon/ARAMARK) is stalling and trying to wear the workers down. To add to that, the workers live in a “company town,” so the employer has extra leverage which creates an additional intimation factor. The Employee Free Choice Act. When they walked out, there were replacement workers standing by.
  • Bumper Music: Working Class Hero, John Lennon.
  • The Center for Responsive Politics statistics on where politicians got their money. Spending, McCain vs. Obama, but what about PACs etc.?
  • Bill 920 California Solar Surplus Act. Tell them to vote for it.
  • Whether Palin will be indicted.
  • Bumper Music: Democracy is coming to the USA, Leonard Cohen.
  • Ellen Ratner of Talk Radio News. Obama is in Russia, lots of announcements. This morning he gave an interview to a Russian news agency, there were tough questions, for example, do you agree with the opinion expressed by many Russian and European politicians that the United States is primarily responsible for the economic difficulties? Lies and greed? Obama's response. News conference. Dinner tonight. Meeting the PM again. Nuclear reduction, will take quite a while. December 5 SALT ends. A New York Times editorial recently wanted them reduced to 1,000. Agreement of transport of everything to Afghanistan. 6 troops killed in one day. The odds that Sarah Palin will end up on Fox? Is she smart enough? How long could she fake it? Roger would love to have her, but her news conference was a demonstration of how not to do it. The service sector contracted less.
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