Monday August 3 2009
By Louise
Quote: Take not from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned -- Thomas Jefferson
Hour One - Should trees have legal standing in a court of law? Thom is challenging John Lott, PhD www.johnrlott.blogspot.com
Hour Two - Where is the barrier between freedom of religion and manslaughter when religion replaces medicine for minor children? Chief/Dr. Phillip Cloudpiler Landis www.nemenhah.org
Hour Three - Will a public option lead to single-payer healthcare? Dr David Scheiner, President Obama's physician. www.pnhp.org
1120a - The California Nurses continued push for single payer healthcare Martha Kuhl www.GuaranteedHealthcare.org
Comments
#2
We REALLY, REALLY need a cleariinghouse for an organized activist effort to combat the corporate "thundering herds." Any suggestions, anyone?
#3
Thom, I would rather pay higher taxes for single payer because my $200 a month in premiums with it`s $4500 in deductibles I will get more affordable health care and most likely better preventative care to.My current program leaves me no choice but to drop it at the end of the year.In January I will be enrolled or not in United Heath care as Delta airlines has merged with Northwest airlines.I will refuse it if at all possibile because I don`t want to subsidize Mr.McGuire`s pay check.I am 50 years old and I have seen the cost of health care shifted to me and other in the Blue collar community which is about what 98 percent of us.Please promote the movie Sicko and the Bill Moyers interview with Mr.Potter.
#4
Is WELDON really RASTA?
#5
I wondered why we hadn't seen a batsh-t crazy post from Rasta in here today - he's been on hold! :D
#6
Jesse "The Body" has a mouth. He ran for office because he had a list of personal pet grievances (like a high license plate tax for his SUVs) that he wanted to address.
#7
Caller has good idea, come up with fact sheets to put on wind shields.
#8
mstaggerlee,
LOL!
#9
Quark,
Yes. I first saw Rasta posing here as Weldon, then he became Tim and has lasted as Rasta for the longest time. I've mentioned that before here. I guess you're not hanging on my every word.
#10
B Roll,
LOL! It's not my lack of avid attention to your posts; it's my lack of short-term memory! (My husband says the same thing!)
#11
Tit for tat on the facts.I just called my two Senators offices and niether are having town hall meetings on this recess they are Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow..........
#12
What a maroon!
#13
The health programs available are completely inefficient - wait til that guys or his kids get sick and he has to use the program -
#14
What a maroon!
(Meaning the last caller who is on a state health care program but says others don't need it!)
#15
crease,
Re: Tit for tat on the facts.I just called my two Senators offices and niether are having town hall meetings on this recess they are Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow……….
Would they react if you could call back (and get others to call) to demand (in a nice way, of course) town hall meetings, or at least a personal meeting with each senator?
#16
OK, so WHY will reconciliation NOT work?
#17
Where does the term, maroon come from - ? What does it mean?
#18
Bill Shuster from the heavily Republican 9th district of Pennsylvania sent an email with a link to this poll about health care. He asked that it be shared on Facebook. I already called his office to make sure that I told him my whole stand on health care and to put him on notice that this could not be considered a scientific poll since people can respond as often as they like. I was told it was fine. I hope many of you will click and leave your opinion for him. I would like to see his face if we are able to change the results to be the opposite of what he expects.
http://shuster.houseenews.net/mail/util.cfm?gpiv=2100043053.12140.223&gen=1
#19
TFF,
"Maroon" comes from Bugs Bunny, who used it instead of calling another cartoon character a "moron."
#20
The Obama support team invalidated Brad Blog who was trying to tell them how to protect the vote. Sadly, people will think the voting problems have all been solved.
#21
Quark,I have asked my union the IAM to call both offices and our congressman McCotter to so I will no tomorrow if they did.I am assuming it`s because non are up for reelection.
#22
I think California proves Thom right on the economic failures of the Cons. Gov. G. Davis tried to fix the budget left by the energy scandal by raising the v.l.f.(vehicle license fee). He was then recalled.
Enter "the Governator", who campaigns of the promise of repealing the higher tax. He wins, he repeals the tax, and I got a amazing $150 per year tax cut. The state however lost about $7 billion per year. Let's all do the math now, 4 years of "the Governator" x $7 billion and you have the failed State of California.
I would rather pay an extra $150 per year, than go through the coming misery. California is now the Republicans dream economy.
#23
That's great, crease!
Is there any reason you think they might not support AT LEAST a real gov't option for healthcare?
#24
crease,
i.e., a real public option.
#25
When these people start talking about having healthcare through their employer, why don't they stop to ask themselves who is paying for their healthcare?
It's the people and/or businesses that are buying products and services that are paying for their healthcare. Whenever they go to a store and buy a twelve-pack of soda or beer, why don't they stop to think about how much of the cost of that product goes to pay for healthcare for employees of the stores, distributors and producers of that product? And the cost of healthcare built into the cost of computers, software, machinery, etc. that those companies use?
We (the public) are already paying for the healthcare costs of those companies when we make purchases.
And how much money would a company save if they didn't have to worry about providing healthcare for their employees? How many people are employeed by major corporations in their human resources departments just to administer the healthcare options for their employees?
#26
Thom, to the man in Connecticut, I am an extremely low income mom with a son who is extremely disabled. While my two sons qualify for my state's(Oregon) insurance for low income families, I can not get any coverage because they limit the number of people on it. Last week I fell and hurt my foot and I suspect I may have broken a bone ( there is a large hard bump where there shouldn't be and I can't arch my foot) but I haven't gone in to have it checked out because I can not pay the bill I would incure. A broken foot makes it very difficult to take care of children FYI.
When I am sick, I simply will get better or die, I do not go to the doctor, ever. That is for the privileged.
I am a real person living in the good old USA, land of the free to watch others around you die and suffer as long as you've got yours.
#27
Quark I hope so. Hell their damn staffers talk like politicians to.
#28
Republicans! You are corporate robots! Ask your Dr. what you need!
Like this as a sign?
Oh yeah--
Listen to : http://www.thomhartmann.com/ M-F 9-noon M-F! or - hey- Thom, could there be a web site address where you keep all your newsletters, a simple link with nothing but the newsletters?
#29
TFF,They are SHEEPLE not robots because robots have more of a soul tha the SHEEPLE because they are all about the corporatist and helping them achieve their hugh levels of GREED and don`t even get it.
#30
Ah- I keep getting med i CARE mixed up with med i CAIDE - glad to get straightened out on this.
#31
I have to disagree with Thom slightly about conservative caring about America as much as progressives. Conservatives—or at least those on “the Right”—only care about a narrow slice of America “their” America, by which they mean the white part. They are stuck in cement in a past while the future passes them by. The fear change in the status quo, even when it is required for the country’s survival.
I also find it amusing when racists come-up with these wild numbers (probably from Lou Dobbs and Michelle Malkin) about how much “brown people” are costing “real” Americans. It is useful to note that people prefer the term “illegal alien” over “undocumented worker” because they prefer to think that these “brown people”—actually they prefer to use more pejorative terms—are here to take advantage of social welfare programs, not to work. Working, of course, implies paying taxes, and that is what is always left out of the equation—they also pay taxes. A Seattle Times story a few months ago—one of the few “positive” stories has printed about Latinos—suggested that undocumented workers in the state actually pay a slightly higher percentage of their income in taxes than legal residents in the state. A GAO study a few years ago also suggested that undocumented workers pay as much 15 percent of what otherwise would be a shortfall in funding of Social Security.
#32
cassie,
I am SO sorry. Can't you go to the emergency room without having to pay alot?
#33
Mark,
I think they should come clean and just wear their white pointy hoods!
#34
A 2003 report on the Canadian automotive industry shows that the direct labor hourly cost in Canada is 31% less that that in the US for assembly of light vehicles. How much of that is due to the Canadian healthcare system?
Is that why GM, Ford, Chrysler, Honda and Toyota all have plants in Canada?
#35
Cassie,
My son has broken so many bones at work. He has broken a foot more than once. I don't know if your injury is similar, but it may help you to know that the doctor has told my son that there isn't much that can be done for (his) broken foot. It would just take time.
Would it help you to wrap your foot with an Ace bandage? It might help relieve some ot the pressure.
It occurs to me that we need "human co-ops" where people can contact each other in the same city for help...
#36
Matt Taibbi came up with what we should call present day robber barons. We should call them Goldmanites!
#37
If Obama is as smart as I think that he is why is he making such a mess?
#38
Gabriel,
I ask that same question regarding the "stimulus mess."
#39
The cut the Crap web site is awesome.
Gabriel,Obama wants a bi-partisan bill which I think is nonsense, we need health care now !Health care is our biggest obstacle to jobs, it`s a proven fact that health care is killing our jobs.Outsourcing happened because of health care and not wages.American workers lag behind other industrialized nation in wages paid in spot number 17 out of the top 20 industrialized nations and consequently we rank near the bottom in Unionized workers to.
#40
Gabriel, The Stim is working and most of the money goes out this fall and next year.There is still to much red tape involved in getting the stim money out.
#41
Unfortunately, when you are taught to take things on faith, you believe whatever supports your ideology and ignore anything that surfaces to refute it. This is how it is with the healthcare lies and the birther lies. They ignore the official documents of Obamas birth, but immediately take the fake Kenyan birth certificate as gospel.
#42
MORE "HUMAN RIGHTS" FROM ZIONIST SUPREMACISTS.......WILL THOM AND HIS RACIST ALLEGIANCE TO THE PALESTINIAN ETHNIC CLEANSING EVER STOP?
NOT LIKELY ANY TIME SOON FROM THE SOUNDS OF HIS DENIAL TODAY
Israel Evicts 50 Palestinians from Home in East Jerusalem
Israeli police have evicted more than fifty Palestinians, including nineteen children, from their homes in East Jerusalem after an Israeli court ruled their homes were owned by Jewish settlers. The court’s ruling was based on nineteenth century documents. The eviction has been widely condemned by the international community, including the United Nations and the Obama administration. The British consulate said it was “appalled” by the court’s decision. In a statement, the consulate said, “These actions are incompatible with the Israeli professed desire for peace. We urge Israel not to allow the extremists to set the agenda.”
Hatem Abdel Qader, a leader of Fatah in Jerusalem: “For sure, the battle in Sheikh Jarrah has not ended. There are confiscation orders for twenty-eight houses. Three of them have already been carried out. There is a battle to save the other houses. We will be firm in this battle on a political, social and legal level. There is an Israeli project in Sheikh Jarrah which aims to remove this neighborhood and connect it with Shepherd Hotel and the Mufti neighborhood and to locate a huge settlement close to the Old City of Jerusalem in order to make the Old City of Jerusalem Jewish.”
#43
crease,
The stimulus package is loaded with so many Republican tax cuts that the original package was very watered-down. There is talk of the possible need for a second stimulus...
#44
Crease,
We all create God (and Jesus) in our own image. You see Jesus as a socialist, as being as all about love & peace because that is your world view, thus those are the scriptures that stick out for you. The conservative sees the "tuff" love Jesus, ignores the scriptures about love & peace. The scripture "I come not to bring peace, but to to bring a sword" is the one that sticks out for them. The conservative/fundamentalist much prefers the old testament God. (In the old testament your wealth was a sign of your righteousness).
This can all be done because the Bible is a book written by many different men, with many different world views. Thus, you can make the Bible say pretty much what you want it to say. It's all in how you "interpret" the scriptures.
Re: Jesus
Are you aware that there is no historical evidence that he actually existed. The only evidence for his existence is in the New Testament. Jesus is most likely a mythological character.
#45
Rasta,
Why don't you go vent your spleen on right-wing hate spewers' websites where you're more apt to be talking to some of the culprits or their enablers? Thom is trying to be a positive force in the world. Give him THAT, at least.
#46
And here I thought Rasta might actually miss a day ... no such luck. :(
#47
Eat O'Reilly's shorts tonight Thom!
- ohh horrible visual- eat them anyway!
#48
mstaggerlee,
Even flowers need rain...
#49
DRichards, I agree with you wholeheartedl. I for one am not a religious person at all and I do realize Jesus is mythological. I do beleive their is some sort of a god who has us here for whatever reason and I think he needs to review his plan.I would love to see single payer and it should start with each state just like in Canada.Watch Sicko and Bill Moyers interview with Mr.Potter and if that doesn`t stir anyone nothing will..Obama needs to say screw bi-partisanship.
#50
Quark - I suspect that Rasta comes in here with hit & run posts. Writing him back in this venue is a simple waste of time and energy, because he doesn't READ anything here. He simply drops his hate-filled bomb of the day, and moves on.
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