Daily Topics - Monday - December 21 2009

healthcare imagesHour One - Is this health care reform we can believe in?

Hour Two - Michael Medved www.michaelmedved.com  Why do conservatives confuse "monopoly" and "capitalism"?  (Michael's new book is "The 5 Big Lies About American Business")

Michael's booksigning & talk tonight at 7pm at Beaverton Borders Books, 2605 SW Cedar Hills Blvd.

Hour Three - Robert Knight www.theacru.org  What is the real goal of the "hate the gays" movement?

Comments

Eric Cooper (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#1

No sir, this is NOT reform. It is a series of bribes and giveaways to the gangsters. It is like giving a slap on the hand to Al Capone and then giving his guns back to him. I hope this Senate pseudo-bill gets trounced in the conference committee

Mark (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#2

"Reform?" Relative to what? It is interesting to note that the Senate bill is filled with pork and exceptions to help along the votes of certain blue-dog senators beyond their publically stated wishes, and the bill continues to protect high cost brand-name drugs against lower cost generic competitors. Of course there is more, but we can belabor the obvious until the cows come home. After all, as Bernie implied on Friday, "something" is better than nothing, especially if this is what Obama wanted all along.

Mark (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#3

Most people seem fixated on the Israeli-Palestinian and Afghanistan issues as the principle foreign policy problems that Obama has inherited from the Bush administration. I happen to disagree with most people on this blog in regard to who is to blame for the failure of peace efforts in Palestine; the Palestinians have left too many opportunities to pass because of their lack of statesmen willing to compromise, and miscalculating the patience of the Israeli electorate. The failure of so-called leaders like Arafat, who foolishly attempted to grab for more than even an Israeli administration committed to a peace agreement was willing to give, ended-up creating conditions now much less favorable to the Palestinians.

In Afghanistan, the attempt to impose a centralized government flew in the face of reality on the ground and of history, particularly given the lack of sufficient troops early on to ensure its security, and Pakistan proving to be an unreliable ally. The only mechanism for insuring stability in a post-Taliban regime—infusing money to rebuild the economy and infrastructure—proved to be yet another disastrous failure of forethought by the Bush/Cheney regime. It is difficult to see how the proposed “surge” will ensure sufficient security to even begin the process of reconstruction, short of persuading the Taliban to accept a “national unity” political arrangement.

But there is, however, a more dangerous problem looming on the horizon that has been given little attention by the media. Iran’s alleged quest for nuclear weaponry is well-known, and its leaders doubtless believe that acquiring a nuclear bomb will “enhance” their power and prestige in the Islamic world (particularly since Pakistan with its bombs cannot even control its own borders). What is less well-known is that it isn’t just that the U.S. and its European allies that believe Iran is a “rogue” state, but that the Turks and Sunni Muslim nations think that Iran is. Once, Middle Eastern leaders claimed to desire a “nuclear-free zone.” Now, it’s a nuclear free-for-all. Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordon, Morocco, Libya and other Middle Eastern states all have plans to build nuclear power plants in the near future, with the help of Russia, the U.S. and France (most ironically, I might say). Several of these Muslim countries are doing so because they do not want Iran to get the upper hand in nuclear technology—and with it, the ability to produce a nuclear bomb to use to threaten them with. Given the restive state of the Middle East, the covert desire for other nations in the region to develop nuclear arms in response to Iran’s supposed ambitions suggests more instability—and in a region seemingly most susceptible to the kind of tensions that would lead to nuclear war.

KJacobs (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#4

I request that all progressives start referring to medical insurance CORPORATIONS as such. Companies are entirely different entities and medical insurance has nothing to do with health.

Thanks, karen

brian a. hayes (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#5

our challenge as progressives is to work to end personhood of corporations and to have real campaign finance reform. we must create great unity in this pursuit. we have a great spokesman for this in thom hartmann who has raise his voice against personhood for corporations. other voices we have are david c. korten, john perkins,jim hightower and ourselves. i would like to see a great wave that will push our supreme court and our government to make our constitution strong again to represent the people and not corporations. we must understand that corporations are geared to make profit at all cost and are beholden to only the shareholders and the executives

Mir (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#6

I unsubscribed from 'Obama's' email list on Friday saying Obama "needs to stop listening to the likes of Rahm Emanuel and start listening to the likes of Dr. Howard Dean".

Anyway, regarding the current topic: in order to survive we need to realize one basic aspect that civilizations of the old have long believed - without 'others' there is no 'us'! In order for 'us' to survive and prosper, 'others' will have to be around and prosper as well!

Mark (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#7

The comment that North America without European contact would look like Africa today is remarkably naive and self-serving, because we only know what Africa looks like in the post-colonial period, after European "contact." I guess I'll have to work on something for tomorrow to clarify what I mean.

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#8

Want to communicate back to Barack Obama? Check out Barack Obama on Facebook. You might be pleasantly surprised to read the comments there.

moonbat666 (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#9

Of course McCain would support getting corporate money out of politics. He's has a boat-load of money to finance his campaign. Almost all US senators are millionaires. Does anyone think that this club of 100 gives a damn about the working poor in America? The health bill is a joke.

Mark (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#10

Sometimes I just don't understand why Thom klings to certain ideas. Let's not forget that the tea baggers (and their handlers) opposed the stimulus package and health care reform from the start. It isn't that they oppose spending money on nothing useful; they oppose spending money for anything if it comes out of their back pocket--especially if it helps "others."

brian a. hayes (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#11

i can see senator sanders speaking out against personhood of corporations on the floor of the senate.

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#12

@brian, when you say 'you can see sanders'- do you mean you are watching the Senator on C-span now, or are you envisioning that it would be reasonable for Sanders to do such a thing in the future.

DRichards (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#13

Pentagon's Role in Global Catastrophe: Add Climate Havoc to War Crimes

By Sara Flounders

URL of this article: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16609

brian a. hayes (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#14

if our progressive politicians want to create change they must speak out against personhood of corporation on the house and senate floors. what is needed is real statesmen that have the courage to speak up against personhood of corporations. dr. king gave his life for his beliefs . i would like to see a progressive that will stake his reelection to voice his outrage about personhood for corporations . lets push are progressive politicians to become real statesmen.

brian a. hayes (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#15

food facist in the furture

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#16

Mr MEDFAT,

IF wealth does not create poverty, then why are the rich all over our government. ITs because they get in the system and change the rules to hog all the resources you dumb shill.

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#17

@brian - shuks- was hoping for a dream come true this Christmas....

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#18

Did MEDFAT just call Thom Hartmann's argument illiterate- ha! Small vocabulary Fat Man.

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#19

Here is the answer- this is how the rich get rich

Alqaeda catches on! ...http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog/view/human_trafficking_is_al-qaedas_new_business_model

brian a. hayes (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#20

the rich corporate leaders thoughout history did everything to create more wealth with no regard for the human family. corporate leaders are lead by greed anger and folly.

Mugsy (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#21

Thom, if we have less "dynastic wealth", it is because we have more "new super-wealth". A billion dollars is not enough to even get you on the Forbes 500 richest Americans.

Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#22

USA life expectancy is going down over the last five.

Mugsy (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#23

Thom, the "civil rights" GOP of the 1960's couldn't win a single GOP primary in 2009.

Mugsy (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#24

Ask Netscape what they think about the Browser Wars.

Oops, you can't, because they were driven out of business by MS's predatory practices.

Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#25

@FoodFascist: Tell folk to read MY comments at Obama on Facebook . . .

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#26

@Richard woah...did you leave it on the Just Fans thread? Because the entire page is empty...or scrubbed? lol Or, did you leave it in the most recent thread on the actual Barack Obama page, and did you leave it under Richard Adolf? When? -- I tried to look for it. But you can see, even OFA members are ravenous. And as Thom mentioned the other day- Bold Progressives is a good group of OFA members.

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#27

Yes! We have limits Thom tells caller concerned with wealth inequities. Time to re-visit Jonathan Livingston Seagall.

Nels Nelsen (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#28

What if Microsoft failed??? Guess people would start learning about open source software like Linux. Hoo boy big corporations sure wouldn't like that concept getting main stream.

Nels Nelsen (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#29

@Thom, I know this is off topic, but I've been listening to your radio program for a couple of years now. I can't recall you ever interviewing Noam Chomsky, I'm wondering if I ever missed such an interview, or if there was a reason why you don't interview him. I would immensely enjoy hearing such an interview and suspect I would learn much.

Wendy (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#30

Re: Robert Knight

You can't talk sense into them, Thom. You just can't.

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#31

Noam Chompsky! Yes! What a wonderful guest idea.

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#32

@Wendy- but it sure is entertaining! lol

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#33

Thom- ask this guy if he has ever had sex himself!

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#34

Why not have a sex sperm and monthly ovum egg squad. They could come to our homes and track and monitor sexual position and account for every potential life form developed from that practice.

Save it for marriage? So that we can have Taliban laws requiring one spouse just has to take it from another spouse? ...by keeping them...in the dark?

vici377 (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#35

OMG..I am listening NOW..and tell him..that Jesus Christ HIMSELF...NEVER mentioned gays...not one word against them..and there is NOTHING in the 10 commandments..don't they find that curious..instead they glean this hateful dividing poison from Paul..and a few interpretations in the Old Testament..I find it very curious..that it IS NOT IN THE 10 COMMANDMENTS..I mean you would think if it was that great of an abomination..that it would be there ..or that Christ himself would have mentioned it..I mean..if the result is going to hell..wouldn't it be in stated in something important..like Christ's message or the 10 cammandments?

Nels Nelsen (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#36

Gawd, people who substitute the bible for the ability to think and quote only the passages they wish to proclaim are on the same line of those who point to the NAZI's for reasons to justify their desire for wars.

Let me scare you with a social taboo, then you'll do what I want.... mindless dribble.

DRichards (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#37

The fundamentalist want the US to be a Theocracy, not a Democracy. (If the fundamentalist want to live in a Theocracy, perhaps they should move to a country that has a Theocracy as a form of government).

Nels Nelsen (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#38

Here's a good book relating to the whole hunter gather society vs the modern industrial society:

Ishmael by Daniel Quinn

Easy read, to the point.

Food Fascist (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#39

RE Health care, I had heard the Democratic Party, and it may have been Franken and other progressives that put in a cap that says insurers must spend 85% of premiums on actual health care. This will reduce their profits. Gradually, we can keep pushing this up so that we are taking the profit out of our brethrens misfortune and illness.

vici377 (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#40

I know my area has such a skewered perception of how things should be..I heard 2 women talking in the gym this a.m...the one said..I told her to get insurance and she doesn't qualify for any help or leave for her surgery and she was whining about it.(.DOES SHE HAVE A HEART?..)I do want to say..that I am in the heart of the "religious right"..I live in central PA...you know we have Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and its Alabama in the middle....and yet..they go to church every Sunday..talk about their neighbors through the week..(self-righteous walking arrogance)..and this is the kind of attitude we have to change in order to get any kind of progressive changes...I believe this is the greatest obstacle in accomplishing greatness..WHAT IRONY...

Wendy (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#41

LOL @vici377 - I live in Central PA too - and you're absolutely right! My own family members just astound me with their ignorance and bigotry - all the while proclaiming that they're "good Christian people".

DRichards (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#42

I tell my fundamentalist relatives that fundamentalist Christians are not any different from the non fundamentalist; fundamentalist lie, cheat, & divorce at the same rate as non fundamentalist, except the fundamentalist comes across as being much more hypocritical.

David (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#43

Tom mentioned a web site and then began reading it...about inequalities and equal societies......I hate when he does that....I was away and didn't have time to write it down! And then when he finishes, he doesn't mention the site again.

Anyone?

Tanya (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#44

Having just been listening to the third hour on my drive home from work, I feel the need to share that I am a Jew, married happily to a Christian, am more than welcomed and very active with a Jewish congregation that is a member of the Union for Reform Judaism. Yes, some communities and Rabbis don't like interfaith marriages, but URJ's official policy is that it is permitted. Robert Knight shouldn't be talking about things that he knows nothing about!

bobbler (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#45

> DRichards December 21st, 2009, 11:44 am
> The fundamentalist want the US to be a Theocracy, not a Democracy. (If the
> fundamentalist want to live in a Theocracy, perhaps they should move to a
> country that has a Theocracy as a form of government).

There was a meme change about 100 years ago (I think is was Calvinism.. dont quote me on the name) that took Christianity from simply waiting for end times to be at their worst (before the scond coming). Changes to an agressive "claim this land for Jesus, and live in peace for 1000 years," to makle the scond coming happen..

So, I dont think they are going to move to another country..

bobbler

bobbler (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#46

> OMG..I am listening NOW..and tell him..that Jesus Christ HIMSELF…NEVER
> mentioned gays…not one word against them..and there is NOTHING in the
> 10 commandments..don’t they find that curious..instead they glean this
> hateful dividing poison from Paul..and a few interpretations in the Old

You cant control how people interpret their bibles.. I think the gay issue has been magnified in politics because its a hot button for many (and confusion helps get conservatives elected)..

Bobbler
Freethought society

bobbler (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#47

RE: ON AIR COMMENT:
Where does the Caucasian genocide gene come from (or something like that):

There was a chapter in one of Carl Sagans books called Monday Night Football. I remember enough to believe this is the mechanism at work.. We wonder why early hominids disappeared, and one of the theories is indeed genocide.. Pop foreward to modern times, maybe football funnels the agression energy..

Looking from another angle, entwining government power structures with religions has gone on througout history.. From the Catholic holy wars; where a general said "kill them all, god will know his own," to hitler using religion to climb to political power, to today, where many Christians (and Muslims) feel this is a holy war..

THOU SHALT NOT KILL:
I think I got this from Thom.. Not killing is usually intrepreted as applying to people in your own group (not those soulless heathens, for example)..

bobbler
Freethought Society

vici377 (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#48

very good point bobbler with confusion helps get conservatives elected....also..the last response in which you say it is accepted if you don't kill anyone in your own group..also helping this is cognitive dissonance..which Columbus used when he wiped out the Arawaks on Hispanola..make what you are doing acceptable b/c the people you are hurting are evil and bad..pretty good mind games..WHAT AN EVIL MAN..and we revere him..(but that is another subject)

vici377 (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#49

and to Wendy..we need a support group..haha..

Mia79 (not verified) 9 years 30 weeks ago
#50

At the begging of the broadcast Tom mentioned watching a lecture before seeing the movie Avatar (great movie by the way). Does anybody remember the name of the person that gave the lecture?

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