Daily Topics – Thursday January 21st 2010

Quote: The most perfect political community is one in which the middle class is in control, and outnumbers both of the other classes.
-- Aristotle

Hour One
- With the Supreme Court ruling on the Citizens United case, did the gates of hell just get opened up? plus....Banksters & healthcare

Guest: Shannyn Moore, The Shannyn Moore Show on KUDO 1080AM www.kudo1080.com

Hour Two - With the Supreme Court ruling on the Citizens United case,did the gates of hell just get opened up? David Cobb, DemocracyUnlimited of Humboldt County and 2004 Green Party PresidentialCandidate www.duhc.org

Hour Three - Amy Goodman (just back from Haiti) www.democracynow.org
What is going on in Haiti


DRichards (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin.

It sure looks like we could not keep the republic given to us my our forefathers.
It seems to me that this is the final nail in the coffin of democracy.

DDay (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Thanks for flipping on the lights! Daily Topics for Thursday, January 21, is now open for business...(an hour late). Considering what the Supreme Court did, I thought the coup d'etat underway might have already shut us down here in Hartmannland. Oy vey.

Quark (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Supreme Court Phone Numbers*

Public Information Office: 202-479-3211, Reporters press 1

Clerk's Office: 202-479-3011

*They don't care what you think (nor will they take comments), but you can still tell them!

Quark (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago


FYI: TH producers said the website was shut down on their end and they have been working to get it up for some time...:-)

...political hackers?

Charles (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Could this possibly be an end-around to eliminating corporate taxation?
If Congress removes taxes on corporation, there would be no right to representation. This could be done with the current Congress.
Or, corporations fund sympathetic candidates with unlimited misleading advertisement until enough are elected to remove corporate taxes and maintain pass favorable campaign finance laws.
Either way, the corporations win. It's just how much will it cost them?
This Congress needs to act now to overturn this decision. With new laws defining the 14th amendment or impeachment of activist Supreme Court justices.

thomadmin (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

The website access is an internet routing problem between Portland and the web provider. It is working for 99% of the world - but not in the studio. The daily topic was fixed from the United Kingdom.

DDay (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

I have been advocating that the Administration focus on the economy and jobs this period, (for political reasons), and then use this election cycle to highlight the problems and abuses of our election system to reform it, (for practical and patriotic reasons). Today's announcement from the Supreme Court illustrates the need to do so. Our house is on fire. Now is not the time to remodel or add a room. (health care reform) This is especially true when those remodeling plans are so lousy, (The Senate Plan).

Blue Mark (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Thanks Federalist Society Judges!
Now there are no limits on what we can spend to sway elections.

George Soros
Arianna Huffington
Warren Buffet
Keith Olbermann
Red Army Industries (China)

Charles (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Interesting timing that this decision was not released until after the MA special election. Voters that stayed home on Tuesday might have rallied around Coakley.

Quark (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Grayson and Repair of the SCOTUS Decision

Rep. Alan Grayson has already introduced 5 bills to mitigate today's Supreme Court decision. He sent out a petition to sign BEFORE the SCOTUS decision. You can still add your name to it:


trevinla (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Does today's decision open the door to murder charges when you close a company or euthanize a pet? it removes the line between natural beings and other beings so where does the differentiation exist?

Dave (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

what's the difference between Dave and Wal-mart?

Dave votes for Progressives.
Dave also dies.

and.. uh.. that's about it..

geph (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

What do I think about democracy in the "United" States?

I'll use the same answer as Gandhi when asked about what he thought of Western civilization:

"I think it would be a very good idea."

Dave (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

oh! and.. Dave likes to play video games..

Wal-mart's hand eye coordination isn't that good...

Grubowski (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Does this mean we change the Preamble to the Constitution to read: "We the People, and Transnational Corporations, in Order to form a more perfect Union...."

DDay (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Our president came out this morning with statements to rein in the banksters. I applaud this late but good first step.

On the other hand, It was announced yesterday that Erroll Southers nomination for head of the T.S.A. has been withdrawn. Senator Dimwit of "health care will be his Waterloo" fame had put a hold on Mr. Southers because he feared that Mr. Southers might favor unions. Never mind that he is widely credited with being more than qualified to run T.S.A. ! The White House folding on this is reprehensible and cowardly. Bowing to the bullies only emboldens them. Since when is favoring unions un-American? NOW.

trevinla (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Grubowski - please find a more corporate friendly term than "Union"

Nels (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

If we can't get tariffs I say we demand that all shipping containers get 100% inspected. Its a win-win for Democrats, they can claim toughness on terrorism and raise shipping costs enough to make manufacturing in America a bit more feasible.

Back door tariffs.

Ben (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Tuesday's Election was PROOF of Truman's statement that Phoney Democrats would loose to real Republicans. The Huffington Post had an interesting article about a poll of voters from the election. One main reoccuring theme was that Independents who voted for Obama a year a go and Brown Tuesday were not voting against Progressive Ideals at all. Actually based on the poll these people were upset that the Democrats were not tough enough in fighting against the CONservatives. They are upset that there is no public option. They are upset that the banks get huge bailouts and bankers are taking huge bonuses. They hoped for change and didn't get it and were unhappy. Here is the article:


mstaggerlee (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Tough time finding this page today! :)

Corporate Personhood vs. the Estate Tax -

The right's primary arguement against the Estate Tax has always been that it amounts to double taxation. The rationale goes that since the deceased already paid taxes on that money when it was earned, paying further taxes on it when passed on to the heirs is a secondary tax on the same money - thus their pet name, the "Death Tax."

But if a corporation has a right to free speech, then the owner(s) of said corporation have what amounts to a second voice - each can "speak" with his or her OWN voice, AND with the voice of the corporation!

So it seem to me that one could conclude that this "doubled" right absolutely justifies doubled taxation - no?

rewinn (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

About the Southers nomination: if Harry Reid and Barack Obama had any balls, the Senate would have adjourned for a weekend so Obama could put Suthers in as a recess appointment. Let the haters rage! they will anyway ...

... about "Citizens United" ... we are reduced to hoping that the Saudi Royal Family and the Red Army buy competing ads and cancel each other out!

Nels (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Well thanks to the Supreme Court, we can expect more Ben Nelson's and less Ted Kennedy's in the Democratic Party. Appreciate Obama now, in 10 years we'll miss his extreme liberal agenda that just looks right-of-center to us now.

What a crock o' crap we've been handed. :-(

rewinn (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Thom - about Indian tariffs: in 7 years of selling books online, I have sold to UK, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa ... but NOT ONE BOOK into India. India as more English speaking people than any of those (except maybe the UK) and some of them have plenty of money and Internet access, but NOT ONE BOOK have I exported there, in 7 years.

Could the tariff be the reason?

This is just a tiny anecdote but I think I am not alone.

Quark (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Public Campaign Action Fund Petition

A petition to let YOUR senators and congressmen know what you think about the SCOTUS decision:


Mare From the Chatroom (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Welcome white progressives to the world of minorities where representation of We the People was thrown out the Supreme Court rooms for Citizens United!

mstaggerlee (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

@DDay - re: Since when is favoring unions un-American?

Apparently, since this morning.

rewinn (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

About corporate influence on elections - y'all should read John Gresham's "The Verdict" --- a very excellent novel about the role of money in state judicial elections even BEFORE "Citizens United".

Now that corporations can spend millions on state supreme court races, Gresham's novel is actually a very moderate look at the danger to us all.

Quark (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

So this is what Prez. Bush, Sr. meant by "The New World Order."

Nels (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

I wonder if the corporations will even bother with the religious right any more. Think about it, why do they need them now? Corporate Republicans are far easier to control then Religious Zealots.

It'll be Mit Romney not Cara bu Barbie, that'll be the forerunner in the next Presidental campaign now.

Ed Crist (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

"Does the gentleman from Montana......I'm sorry, from United Health Care yeild his time?"

Welcome to the United Corporations of America! The land of the free-market and the home of the brave new world!

DDay (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

I hope the big union heads burn Obama's butt over caving on Southers. They should threaten his re-election support. Time to get tough.

"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." T. Paine

Scott (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

I think that you would agree that most citizens are uneducated on what's happening in this country and complacent even though they're increasingly uneasy. Do you think it's possible for us to salvage our America, especially after today's ruling? Does it sound crazy for us to seriously consider moving out of the country? Some of the best and brightest moved to America over the centuries for a better life. Is it time "we" move out?

Nels (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Well perhaps now we'll be able to buy stock options on our favorite Senators. Sink your 401K into Lieberman or O'Connell futures.

Thomas Jode (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

what can I do to reppeal the court's decision and stop the corparate conquest?

Dhall (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Along with the ability to spend unlimited $$ on advertising goes control of the Media! Corporations get a two-fer with Supreme Court Ruling!

Quark (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

I took my mother-in-law to the emergency room yesterday. While we waited for her to be "checked in" I noticed that the TV for the entire area was tuned to Fox News. The idea that the Repug. propaganda channel should be airing its lies (especially in the light of the current healthcare legislation debacle) in a HOSPITAL really infuriated me. I asked one of the staff people to either change the channel or turn off the TV. She changed the channel. I told her the channel was CRAP!

I guess I will no longer settle. I am my OWN "teabag" event! (No double-entendres, please! LOL!)


rewinn (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

"Citizens United" stands for the proposition that Al Qaeda recruiting videos have the same first amendment rights as everyone else.

Charles (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

America will be the new China. Corporations have been to the mountain and that mountain is China. An empire linked at the hip to its industry works perfectly for the multi-national corporations.
This decision will result in the dismantling of hard fought consumer and worker protections.

Quark (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago


(707) 269-0984

AVATAR (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

@bluemark- thx, you brought me a small ray of hope!

Also, if anyone has read Megatrends - you saw this all coming down the road, as well as Future... can't recall name of that last book-

But what about non-profits? I know you can be a 3c vs a 4c and then be political, but why not get rid of the septum?

AVATAR (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Corporations are in effect, cities, states, countries.

sebillah (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Jay just said that the Supreme Court decision said, "if the corporations have some rights, then they should have full rights." Oh really...well, now corporations have more rights that gays. Hmmm...

sebillah (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

If Obama is wondering what he should be doing, he should listen to his speeches from the campaign. This is why we voted for him. It's time - it's critical - that he now put words into action. Words do matter when they are backed by action!

Nels (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Anyone want to take bets on how long before we see debtors prisons?

rewinn (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Nels - why have debtors' prisons when there's plenty of bridges to sleep under?

Prisoners have to be fed. The homeless can be ignored.

Quark (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

Nels, I've been thinking the same thing...

Quark (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago


Yes, a very pragmatic solution.

trevinla (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

debtors callbanks - they are cheaper than india - $1 a day until your debt is paid off... oh and we charge $2 a day for meals...

Nels (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

@rewinn well its necessary to put the chilling fear of prison into the souls of the underclass so they are willing to accept slave wages. Prison guards don't make profit off of people sleeping under bridges. Also the privileged class really does not like the unpleasant icky feelings they get are confronted with human suffering as the drive down the street.

To corporations its not only necessary put the majority of us in the gutter, they also have strong desires to keep their boots on our necks.

geph (not verified) 10 years 5 weeks ago

I'm tired of being a second class citizen just cuz I had the misfortune of being born human!

We should the demand the same rights as corporations such as limited liability.

Looks like it is time to sue under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

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