Daily Topics – Tuesday February 2 2010

healthcare imagesQuote: "When the government violates the people's rights, insurrection is, for the people and for each portion of the people, the most sacred of rights and the most indispensable of duties." -- Marquis De Lafayette

Happy "Ground Hog Day"...Punxsutawney Philsaw his shadow this morning in Gobbler's Knob, PA predicting 6 more weeks of winter.

Hour One - What is the "Revolutionary Tea Party Plan to Save the U.S. Economy from Economic Disaster?" Wayne Root  www.rootforamerica.com

Hour Two - Is the best way to save our our children from pornography on the internet to regulate or educate?

Hour Three - Why is the right wing so afraid of gays serving openly in the military?
Dr. Paul Cameron www.familyresearchinst.org

Guest: "We already have a pink military," latest on Don't Ask Don't Tell hearings Dr. Nathaniel Frank www.unfriendlyfire.org

Los Angeles, CA - Saturday, February 6th, 7:30pm at the Downtown Independent Theater (251 S. Main Street in L.A.)  - a special screening of Robert Greenwald's powerful film "Rethink Afghanistan"...speakers include Thom Hartmann, Robert Greenwald, and Anand Gopal, Afghanistan based correspondent for the Christian Science Monitor.  Free tickets!!
But you MUST RSVP at  www.rethinkafghanistan.com/screenings


Mena Sprague (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

2009 really was the Second Great Republican Depression!

Marty (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Somebody please correct Thom and say that it was Carly Fiorina who, while CEO of HP, outsourced the jobs to China – and is running for the gop nomination to face Barbara Boxer. Meg Whitman, on the the other hand, was the CEO Ebay currently looking to buy - sorry, meant to say, running for Governor of California.

Scott (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Having lived in California all my life (I am 45), I have to say Wayne Root is completely full of it when he states that a family (of 4 I assume) making 500k a year is "middle class". Even living in San Francisco (one of the most expensive cities in the country and that means the state also) a family making that kind of money is not middle class, they are upper middle class. Also just to dispel a big myth about California, once you leave the coasts and head inland the cost of living (housing for example) goes down dramatically and the political conservatism goes up as well.

The politically most conservative counties are also some of the poorest in the state and they continually send hardcore conservative Republicans to the capitol to vote against their best interests. These same counties are also the ones that get the most aid from the state not the blue counties.

These people have been conned. Big time.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Why are conservatives and fundamentalists so successful? How can they take over hundreds of school boards, local government and national politics? They are more fervent and dedicated than we are. It's 'cause they know God is on their side, and we're not sure.

MadCabbieJan (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Fundies and Cons are successful at getting attention and power because they have figured out that fear is a great motivator. Until we learn that love is a better motivator, we are doomed to live in a world of their making.

DDay (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

So, I just got done sending a nasty-gram to Thom complaining about how this Blog comes "alive" , lately. You never know when it will be updated and go active. Today it was in the second half of the first hour. It used to be accessible well in advance of the show. Bad constituent services. It causes bloviatus interuptus! This is an election year after all. Grrrrrr. :-(

margaret m walsh (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

thank-you for answering my question --
How would RN pen a constitutional amendent?

"it could be a very simple amendment --
the only people who should have rights under a democracy are human beings" --

RN on THartmann -- the big picture -- FREESPEECH TV -- 01-22-2010 --

PRECISELY on page 489

Corporations, partnerships, and legal associations of any kind
shall not be deemed "persons" for purposes of applying or interpreting
the U.S. Constitution. "Person" is hereby determined by law
as a "human being."

"Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us!" RALPH NADER

margaret m walsh (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

that would be SECTION TWO of the


2nd pillar of the AGENDA for the COMMON GOOD!!

"Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us!"

DDay (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

@ Scott
re: your description of California's "red" countys

The conditions you describe exactly mirror the conditions in the rural Mid-west, with the exception of the aid part in most instances. Yes, the people may have been conned by the right, but often that is only true because they never receive the progressive side. These people listen to their radios while they work. A rural Progressive radio station is non-existent. They all listened to Paul Harvey every lunchtime of their lives. Most people go to church and most own guns. We don't talk to them much. The N.R.A. and local Chamber of Commerce does, and so does the right wing. We need Progressive Radio to broadcast into this Balkanized region like Radio Free Europe used to. The people will come around, thy aren't stupid, they're just neglected in variety and choice.

Scott (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

The right wing and fundamentalists are also funded extremely well by the very rich who are looking out for their own interests and that is why they are successful as well, it is not an accident. I am in awe of the propaganda capability of a movement that can get working class people to advocate for the rich by screaming they don't want taxes raised on the rich. It is brilliant on a purely intellectual level.

Tom Palmer (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

seems that education is the answer to many problems,but there are those that do not want people to have knowledge.It might be healthy for our society to face what is out there and face it with knowledge.Denial does not seem to work.

DDay (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

@ Harry Ashburn
re: "why are conservatives and fundamentalists so successful?

I think it is because their leaders have a coherent and holistic plan to gain power and they are good at taking orders because it serves their demons of personal greed and amorality. They have think tanks and incredibly intelligent people working and refining their scientific methods and testing for selling their wares and manipulating responses. Think "death tax". Very clever wording.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

@DDay:re late blog: Having worked in radio myself, and being old, I'm more understanding of the late chat room; esp. when compared to some other shows. Since I'm not paying them anything, I feel they're earning their money.

"Digital cameras..what a rip-off! .. Every time I go to the drugstore to buy film, they just laugh at me!" - harry ashburn

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

@DDay re: conservatives: All true, but I think the average conservative fundamentalist serving on his/her school board thinks they're doing the Lord's work, saving the kids from evil. So, they're more willing to sit through and participate in a 5-hour meeting or hearing. We, on the other hand, not assuming our eternal salvation is at stake, prefer to go home and get stoned.

"I never metaphor I didn't liken." -harry ashburn

Scott (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

One of the other reasons the hardcore political right/fundamentalists are so cohesive and follow the lead is because they are highly Authoritarian.

DDay (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

@ harry

With a name like DDay you can expect that I'll be hard charging. I thanked Thom for providing a forum for those who need to bloviate. I just think if a friend suddenly starts showing up with a booger on their nose, being a friend means telling them, in case they are unaware. Besides, the older I get, the less time I have to waste, so please allow me to do the wasting! Sorry I blew up again. :-)

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

@DDay: gotcha.

(P.S.: there was a booger on your message.)

mstaggerlee (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Conservatives are better at spreading their messages than progressives are because their messages are just plain simpler.

Progressives are a more diverse bunch - we all tend to agree that we don't like things as they are, but we're not necessarily in complete agreement about how things should be, or how to get there. The cons all seem to march to a single drummer, so it's much easier for them to appear organized.

DDay (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Harry, You are too smart for me. "I never metaphor..." I love it! You wrote that one too? Are you published? I should have been writing down your posts. Like I said, way to clever for me...and mellow too? I hate you. :-)

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

@DDay: no, I'm not published. I had all my bon mots on computer, but I lost them when the computer crashed. However, i plan to put the best of them on my tombstone. I guess you can save 'em as I produce them?
Otherwise, watch for my obit.

"I wanted to be a philosopher, but I couldn't pass the metaphysical."
-harry ashburn

Charlie L (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

I wasn't listening, but was told that in response to a caller, Tom said that "S&M people" were "broken people?" in the second hour today? PLEASE tell me that he didn't say that? Also, is his national show archived? I would like to be able to hear the ACTUAL context of this alleged remark.

I don't want to accuse a fellow progressive of slander until I've heard the actual words myself.

Anybody have a pointer?

DDay (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Thanks harry. Here is my only demi bon mots: "I refuse to be obstinate!"

Julian Kelley (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Thom right wingers have a very serious reaction to anything that questions their ideology of hierarchy and power. I think the idea that a military man's sexual preference is unknown or undetectable in an environment of one of the most masculine and heroic stations in the country is more frightening to right wingers than we can imagine because it really calls into question gender stereotypes in ways that have far more depth than they'd like to consider. Gays in the military shatters that black and white picture they prefer to paint when it comes to sexuality.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

@DDay: Very Good! Keep it up.

(PS: there was a booger on your bon mot.)

Scott (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Julian - You are describing Authoritarians to a t. They think in black/white, are highly homophobic and ethnocentric along with being sexist. What a great bunch eh? Google the Authoritarians and you can read about them.

glenn N (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

this may be overly simplistic, but the reason that many are afraid of having gays serve in the military, or the reason many object to gays, is because they feel threatened. they are insecure in their own sexuality, and afraid of their own sexual identity. look at larry craig, or jimmy swaggart. these type of people demonize what tempts them. if they make it seem evil enough, maybe they will never fall to their own temptations.

there gay man who could persuade me to have gay sex, and there is no program that could "reprogram" me to turn from heterosexuality to homosexuality. therefore I do not fear interaction with gay people. perhaps the people who protest are protesting too much because of their own sexual ambiguity.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

@glenn N.: Exactly. I'm especially leery of those who are rabidly anti-gay.

glenn N (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

I meant to say there is no gay man who could persuade me to have gay sex

DDay (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

What, with all this booger talk from you, does this mean we are friends? Or is it just that you see boogers everywhere?

By the way, I didn't really write that bon mot. My older, (lawyer), brother said it to me once with great passion and solemnity....I broke out guffawing uncontrollably. He didn't understand why for quite a while because he was so flustered and offended by my amusement.

Charles (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago


They are sharing quarters today.

Marcia (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Why is it that homophobic men think that gay men want to hit on them any more than straight men hit on every woman they see, even if they're attracted to them?

R Menard (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

My favorite response when confronted with those who claim that homosexuality is a chosen condition is to ask the particular basher what year in his/her life did that person decide that he/she was a heterosexual. Usually leaves them standing stupidly saying that they always just knew. How is it then that others throughout history have made the conscious decision to make themselves pariahs in society, subject to abuse & scorn & isolation by choosing such an "abhorrent practice" as having sex with others of their own sex. Judge not... how soon we forget our scriptures when it's inconvenient. We will evolve past this fear & loathing because in fact we are what we are homo & hetro etc. & no rules or legislation will change that.

Marcia (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

make that "want" to hit on every woman they see.

DDay (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

@glenn N

I guess the only questions that remain are: 1. Could a straight man persuade you to have gay sex and 2. Could a gay man persuade you to have straight sex? and finally, 3. could a straight man persuade you to have straight sex? Now we have all bases covered!
p.s. feel no need to answer my smart-ass queries. Just wanted to be politically correct.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

@DDay: Well, you first picked the booger and brought it out, so don't blame me if you can't get rid of it. Yes, I originally echoed you to say we are friends. Dont mucus a big deal about it. re: the bon mot: I know what you mean. When i was a kid, looking for something I'd lost, when I found it my mother would say: "Isn't it always in the last place you look?"

At the time, the remark just passed over my head. After I got older, i would think back and wonder..was she joking? did she even realize it was funny? I wished I had thought to ask her.

"Beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy." -ben franklin

Scott (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

The far right always has to have an "other" as the focus of their fear and hatred. It used to be commies, now it is homosexuals and Muslims. This is nothing new.

Dave in CA (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

The tea partiers blame the government and I blame the rich, greedy, uncaring big corporations. In reality they are the SAME ENTITY. As in most fascist countries like the United States, the right wing big corporations have taken over the media, the military and the government for their own profit.

It is time of us to declare war on the big corporations and to unite the bottom 99%. The tea partiers are insane wackos but we need the bodies, since they have no brains. But the key is to UNITE We the People.

Fair vs Free Trade (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Say, great point! NOW single hetersexual men will become stakeholders in sexual violence and harrassment laws and regulations!

Fair vs Free Trade (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

We have a bizarre teenage issue in SAC. The problem is so bizzare and prevalent and I think, unique to Sacramento that our Assemblymember is actually holding conversations about it. I saw a documentary about it. It is really creepy. Seems to be about lack of judgement and suppression combined. Well...it is so unbeleivably conservative here.

DDay (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

I agree with most of what you say Dave in Ca. I probably wouldn't put you in charge of recruitment however. Insane wackos go insane when you call them that from my experience. Best to appeal on the shared value of patriotism, maybe?

Anjha (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Re: Children and the Internet

The 'conservatives' are the most terrified people I have ever witnessed. Their entire agenda is not only motivated by fear; it is contingent upon it. When people are frightened they more easily give up their rights.

The conservatives and the Religious Right (and the big corporations) are using the fear card when dealing with our kids and the Internet, and, unfortunately, it might work.

They also use fear when dealing with children and sex in general, hence "abstinence only" education (which is a huge oxymoron, because how can you claim to educate someone when you do not teach them everything that they need to know about their own bodies and sex and relationships?)

In our home we have always treated education as paramount and we have been open with our teenage son about everything. He is computer savvy and extremely knowledgable and spends a lot of time online. I am not the least bit concerned.

We have taught him to never give anyone his age or his real name or his location. He can only "friend" people who he knows in real life. He is cautious and open with us and we communicate frequently about what he does.

I have no fear of the Internet... other than having our access to information limited, having the government snoop my records or Net Neutrality failing. Other than those fears we use the Internet as it was intended and I AM NOT AFRAID. Therefore, the cons have no way to manipulate me.

Deb Miller (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

I think that the community churches need to stop preaching that homosexuality is an abomination to God.

This is where I believe, the majority of all homophobia had it's earliest humble beginnings.

Today, although there have been many acts of violence against gays, there remains the fact that This is BEING TAUGHT WEEKLY.

J.Moats (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago


Regarding the Economy, we need to become more competitive in the world marketplace, so one major move we need to make is to impose taxes and tariffs on all imports from the countries where most of our jobs have been exported to. If we raise the cost of importing goods to equal that of manufacturing it within the United States, it would give companies more incentive to keep the jobs in the USA.

While I know this concept would raise the prices on the majority of items sold within our borders, the revenues from the fees imposed on imports could be used to finance businesses within our borders, to fund education programs, and improve the GDP.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Obama is starting to tell the truth in one area. Bush has created our current Great Depression.

The right wingers love to filibuster on Thom’s show. They talk but say nothing. I try not to listen to them because they give me a headache.

Our problem is not that we spend more money. Our problem is that we waste more money on non-essentials like going to wrong and immoral wars.

We will not have a revolt in our country because Blackwater, a mercenary group, has been given a license by our government to kill any American dissenter. Any uprising and the blood of the dissenters will flow like a river through the American streets.

Gays are Americans whether we like their lifestyle or not. They deserve to serve their country. This constant attack upon gays is turning people to defend gay rights.

There are Americans who attack, blame, and ridicule other Americans and foreigners because there are Americans who believe their way is the only way. More than fifty percent of the Americans are certifiably crazy. In Washington, D.C. we have lunatics running our asylums.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago
Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Here is my prediction as to who will be elected president in 2012. You can bank on this prediction!!!


Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago
Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago
Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Here are some words from Howard Zinn.


Thomas-Robert (not verified) 10 years 22 weeks ago

Personally I think in large part the problem is the taxing system: the IRS income tax is a capitation tax (in legal contemplation) and it was snuck in as a luxury tax (an excise tax).

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