Daily Topics - Tuesday February 9th 2010

capatalism imagesQuote: "Of all forms of inequality, injustice in health care is the most shocking and inhumane." -- Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Hour One - Why do the tea partiers want to turn America over to the big corporate predators? Joseph Farah www.worldnetdaily.com

Hour Two - Have we reached the point where we're trading sex for health care? Terri Carlson Divorced mom, can't get h/ins due to pre-existing conditions www.willmarryforhealthinsurance.com

Hour Three -  Is capitalism more important than democracy? Stephen Moore online.wsj.com

Plus...Do you really want a Taco Bell manager piloting your airplane? Miles O'Brien Frontline Correspondent - Frontline's “Flying Cheap” airing tonight on PBS at 9pm ET www.pbs.org/frontline/flyingcheap


Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

I'm getting zero on the MP3 continuous stream.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

I have some articles to share but first I will share these words.

After Saturday Mass one of the parishioners whom we have talked to almost every week has said to us that in some areas all we can do is pray. Her words did remind me of the good sisters who would say to us that they will pray for us. In high school these words would rub against the grain. I felt that we should be able to do more for people, issues, and problems than just pray. There are times we have to roll up our sleeves, grit our teeth, bull our neck, and do the grunt work that is needed.

As I have grown older, I have come to realize that in life prayer may the only option for some of our many problems.

The parishioner did mention Haiti. Yes, we can give a donation and hope that our donations will reach the people and that our prayers will also be of help.

I can comment and I can post words on a blog but prayer may be all that I can do to help people. For example, can I change my country’s violent history? Can I reduce the hatred, corruption, and lies that my country is noted for around the world? Can I help fill our country and our world with people who work to finish God’s creation here on earth? Can I help end our mass murders, our torture of people, and our crimes against God’s children? Our problems in the USA and throughout the world are so awesome that make prayer our only hope for a better world.

It has not been my intention to downplay the power of prayer because prayer is very important.

After voting for Obama, we received another Bush with better rhetorical skills. It is sad but the truth is often sad.

Nels (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America."

Otto von Bismark

You'd think he was talking about this past weekends Tea Party event.

Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Web-cast at KTLK AM 1150 in Los Angeles is blank also.

Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Web-cast at AM 620 KPOJ is up and running . . .

Nels (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Sara Palin isn't a F'n Retard!?!?!?

How 'bout a moronic hypocrite?

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago


Former President George W. Bush will receive a pro-life award this weekend (Feb. 4-6) from Legatus, an organization of Catholic business professionals. The group cites his administration's opposition to embryonic stem cell research; an executive order that barred federal funds from international family planning groups that offer abortions; and the appointment of "pro-life" Supreme Court justices.

The honor raises an essential question that should challenge both political parties. It also underscores the limits of labels: What does it mean to be pro-life?

For some, that question can be answered simply by evoking opposition to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion. That ruling sparked a generation of political polarization and fueled bitter culture wars that reward the shrillest voices. The singular focus on abortion as the arbiter of what it means to be "pro-life" has also severely narrowed our national discourse about moral values in the public square.

While Bush spoke eloquently about the sacred dignity of human life, as governor of Texas he led the nation in state-sponsored executions. His presidency is remembered for a legacy that often undermined lofty rhetorical appeals to human dignity: preemptive war, torture, a reckless disregard for the environment and economic policies that left the poor poorer and the rich richer. It is not a proud record in defense of life.

The constant emphasis on abortion also fails to honor the broad spectrum of Catholic social teaching, which stresses a consistent ethic of life that's often referred to as a "seamless garment" where one life issue can't be easily separated from another.

Catholic teaching contains a rich and expansive vision that recognizes peace-making and caring for the poor, the unborn, the immigrant and our environment -- "promoting the common good in all its forms," as Pope Benedict XVI put it -- as all integral.

Catholicism, in other words, is not a single-issue faith, and no political party has a monopoly on moral values.

The labels "pro-life" and "pro-choice" often obscure more than enlighten. And neither political party can truly claim the "pro-life" mantle.

Democrats, in general, perform better on anti-poverty initiatives and protecting vital social safety nets, but often don't grapple seriously enough with the reality of more than 1 million annual abortions. Republicans, meanwhile, trumpet their pro-life bona fides yet fail to back up their rhetoric by fighting for robust social policies that help pregnant women and vulnerable families.

The current debate over health care reform demonstrates the false choice between "pro-life" or "social justice" advocacy. Ensuring that women and families have access to quality health care can help make abortions less likely and save thousands of lives.

The abortion rate for women living in poverty is more than four times higher than for those earning 300 percent above the poverty line. At a time of economic crisis, any serious effort to prevent abortions must find comprehensive solutions to broader socioeconomic challenges.

A new generation must decide. We can stay mired in stale battles of the past and cling to easy labels, or chart a course that honors human life at every stage. I would be the first to applaud an award given to anyone who helps us achieve that elusive victory.

[John Gehring is director of communications for the Washington-based Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good. This commentary was written for Religion News Service.]

Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

NOW the web-cast at AM 620 KPOJ has gone down.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Why wasn't Joseph protesting'the Government' when the Bush Administration was in power-- INCONSISTENT. CHumps!

Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

MP3 Stream is up.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Getting away with mass murders!!!


KMH (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Suckers. The Tea partiers are being taken advantage of to vote against their own special interests.

Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Because some folk are too . . . stupid . . . to realize the live in opposite world.

Nels (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Can someone explain to me how social programs such as Police and Fire Departments, and a Federal highway system isn't more cost effective for the uber rich?, I mean they get well trained personnel and high quality products pretty damn cheap because they are not the only ones paying for it. The contribution pool is large, so individual contribution is minimal. It doesn't seem to be in their best interests to limit social programs, whether its public schools, or health care for everyone. Their bottom line goes down.

I can only assume they are too caught up in being spoiled little a**holes that don't want to share.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

@Mysterious Floating Head: I find that the MP3 doesn't work until the show has been on for a while. I havent had any interruptions on KPOJ, and am listening now. Try MP3 a little later.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Why are Americans so willing to accept endless lies from our politicians?


Charles (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Yesterday, Thom had a caller championing three Texas counties that do not contribute to Social Security as proof that Social Security should be privatized. He claimed the retirement plans, set up as alternatives to SSI and ran as private investment plans, outperformed Social Security. So far, everything that I have been able to dig up seems to support his claim with a few exceptions.

The only plan I have found details of is from the County of Galveston. In their plan county employees contribute 6.13% of their earnings to the plan. This looks good so far since the SSI contribution is 6.3%. The County contributes 8.828%; under SSI it would be 6.3%. So, the residents of Galveston County are subsidizing the plan to the tune of 15.8%. I wonder if the residents are aware their tax dollars are being funneled into the alternative retirement plan.

Furthermore, the earnings referenced seem to be taken from 1999 or 2005 when Republicans were pushing privatization. Reports since the market crash either have not been released or have been removed. This makes relevant analysis impossible.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Killing human beings seems to glorify the American psyche.


Nels (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

The Republicans have only themselves to blame for any hardball games they get into with Obama, they've been begging to get smacked up... down all around.

I'm guessing that they have been given enough slack to hang themselves by now. Lets watch them dangle.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

@Gerald Socha: its DENIAL. Denial is a useful, perhaps vital defense mechanism, without which we'd all commit suicide. And if you want to be chipper and perky, you can use it artfully. I compare it to the garden of eden story. Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge; cast off their denial, and lost paradise.

Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago


Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

THOM: Thank you for the correct pronunciation of BOEHNER.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

When Helen Thomas speaks, I listen to her.


KMH (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Are these people who defend corporations being told by their CEOs they must? What's in it for them?

Nels (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Now, now Thom, Lincoln didn't start the Civil War. The attack on Fort Sumter by the South precipitated that war.

I can't imagine any sitting American President allowing a paramilitary group lay siege to an Army base here in the States and not answer it with force.

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

NATO to Afghan Assault Villagers: Keep Heads Down
by Peter Graff


We are on the precipice of a major disaster.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Commercial: My reputation.com Promo code: SMART Have any of you used this software? I cannot find my own old tweets and facebook entries- which I would like to by the way. Does anyone here know how to do that?

Sorr in advance for the dumb question, I just keep putting the question off and I really ought to know how to do it. Is there a way to search through these old entires? I've got some humdingers i would love to call up.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

From a native Texan: It ain't easy being a progressive from Texas; having to cringe every time an elected official gets on TV. The TV debates for Governor between Kay Bailey Hutchison (the Breck Girl, according to Molly Ivins) and Gov. Rick Perry (Governor Goodhair, a la Molly) are a nightmare. Our Legislature is a laughing stock. We don't have a zoo in Austin 'cause we have the state Capitol. Our textbook committee is kicking Cesar Chavez out of the history books and inserting Dr. Laura and Rush Limbaugh. I think we ought to secede and become a TV comedy/horror show.

Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

What we are seeing is the fruits of the Republican War on Languaging. Through the vigorous use of converting logical streams and substitution of definitions along with scrubbing humanities from public education . . .

America’s government has ceased being democratic and is now capitalist.

Nels (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

KMH, the psychology of these people who defend corporations against their own best interest is much the same as a rabid sports fan. To them its all important that their side wins, nothing else matters. Of course with sports, its relatively meaningless in their life, and they have that same attitude towards politics, not realizing that it does affect their life, to their detriment. They just like the way the conservatives talk, and look, its an emotional choice for them, that's why the Republicans frame their arguments in simple sound bites, that sound great, even if they are contradictory. Logic does not matter to their constituents, emotion does.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

@Harry Ashburn, denial is a great problem that Americans live with every day. Denial does effect how we can advance a positive agenda.

@Zero G, you mentioned on Monday, February 8, the overt wars America started does even touch the covert wars that we start and never hear about from the MSM.

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Palin, Psy-Ops & 'Condescending' Libs
By Robert Parry
February 8, 2010

In the 1980s, while a reporter for the Associated Press, I had the opportunity to chat over the phone with legendary CIA psy-war specialist Edward Lansdale. A mutual friend had set up the contact, which I hoped might lead to a more formal interview.

Though that hope didn’t pan out – and Lansdale died in 1987 – I was struck by one thing that Lansdale told me about how he sold his propaganda message inside a target country. He said the goal wasn’t to plant a story in a publication that people knew to be under U.S. control, because their defenses would be up.

The trick, he said, was to plant propaganda in a publication that was perceived to be open and honest because the readers’ defenses would be down and thus they would be more susceptible to the message. In other words, they first had to be fooled about who controlled the outlet and what its biases were.

More: http://consortiumnews.com/2010/020810.html
A must read!


Yesterday I was talking about the meme, "tired of partisan politics." I neglected to mention then, that the phrase is only used to quiet the left. The corporations and their mouthpieces are never tired of promoting the "con." It is only the pushback that they are tired of.

Mark K (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

After Thom’s discussion with another guy who claimed to represent the “true spirit” of the tea party gang yesterday, I decided to check-out Dale Robertson’s teaparty.org website. I found it to be nothing more or less than what I expected: your typical country-fried right-wing Obama and liberals bash fest. Obama and the liberals just lie about every dern thing. Fox News is the place to find all your “facts.” Obama kisses them terrorists’ fundaments, dontcha know? He’s pushing a “Marxist, Chicago-style” political machine” to “overthrow our Constitution and freedoms.” Yeah, that’s what it says alright. Oh wait, there’s more:

“We must become strong, we must become bold and we must not stop until the doctrine of socialism is crushed and the train wreck of out of control government is stopped”—and say “Yes I Will” send money to “money bomb” Democratic candidates.

“White America must be restored, not just for this generation, but for generations to come. It is with this heartfelt confidence we must push forward, gaining ground in every state, winning every battle and returning White America’s stolen heritage back to its rightful owners, We The White People.” Well, OK, I added the “white” myself, but who are these people trying to kid?

There’s even a Ray Stevens music video on the website; I guess he doesn’t think “Everything is Beautiful” after all.

Robertson claims to be offended by being called a racist, but he has had some trouble explaining a photograph of himself at a Houston gathering last year, wearing a Texas redneck outfit and holding a poster that read “Congress = Slaveholder Taxpayer (huh?) = Niggar.” In his defense, it must be admitted that no one except him can decipher what exactly was the message he was trying to convey, but otherwise the deliberate misspelling was a pathetic attempt at “plausible deniability.” A doctored version of the photo, with the word “sinner” in the place of “niggar,” appears on the website.

The website’s “Action” page includes a bunch of talking points for teabaggers to use when someone has the temerity to inquire what precisely they advocate; frankly, catchwords like “simple,” “skinny” and “transparent” rather accurately describe the substance of their “plan.”

“Evil abounds when good people are silent” goes an unsourced quote on the homepage. The problem is that it isn’t the teabaggers who are silent, we hear them loud and confused; the silent people are the ones who believe that if good people ignore these bigots, then they will just run out of breath. It is WE who can’t afford to be silent, or else evil will abound.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Thom, we live in a "me" society anf that will never change.

The N-Party wants to privatize social security and Medicare. They want to take away our safety nets. Yet, other countries have safety nets.


Nels (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

@Zero G. I think that the "tired of partisan politics" line has been overplayed. Seems like every time I hear it, I associate it with a politician who's selling out. Sorta' like the boy who cried wolf effect.

Charles (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

I made a mistake in my earlier post. The contribution rate to Social Security is 6.2% not 6.3%. That means the residents of Galveston County, Texas is subsidizing 17.1% of the contributions to the county employee alternative retirement plan. This alone could be the difference in performance.

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago


I only reprised it in relation to Parry's article. I think it exemplifies what Parry was talking about.

Richard L. Adlof (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

I will buy ‘Low Information Voter” but we can drawn zero valid conclusion on whether they are “good” or “evil”.

Charles (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Many "low-information voters" are working two-three jobs and don't have the time to follow what's going on. They get tidbits from the TV tuned to Fox News at the grocery store, the doctor's office waiting room, McDonalds ...

Gerald Socha (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

As I sit by my computer, the snow is falling and we are at the start of our first winter storm blast. We usually have three and sometimes four winter storm blasts. What is great as a retired person, I do not have to drive in the snow. We do have to be out of the home on Friday.

I have a doctor's appointment to determine whether or not I will need a second colonoscopy.

Here is some information from my first colonoscopy.

This is a factual experience. Several years back I had a colonoscopy procedure. The procedure went well because the doctor did not notice any malignant problems in the colon. The problem was not the procedure the problem was the prepping leading to the procedure. It was a terrible experience. After awhile as I reflected on this experience, a negative experience, I came to feel that it was a positive experience because for the first time in my life I did not feel that I was full of shit.

As I awoke from the procedure with my wife near me, the nurse said that for the next day or day and a half I would be breaking wind. I said to the nurse that it would be alright because my wife could pull my finger. The nurse looked down on me and she said that the pulling of the finger must be a man thing because her husband and son would sit on the couch in the living room laughing and discussing the pulling of the finger experiences.

Charles (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Gerald, I think you've left us speachless.

Nels (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Zero G. I understand. I was just trying to make the point that eventually these tricks begin to backfire.

Case in point, a lot of Democratic politicians are nothing more than Republicans in Democratic clothing, selling a conservative agenda, but trying to make it look like its not really so, because it's being pushed by someone in the "Liberal Party".

I guess I was going to the next logical point in the game, eventually by placing such articles in a trusted source, the source becomes untrustworthy, readers become more and more cynical, and then future sources that could be completely trustworthy are already starting in a hole, the readers are wary to trust anything and tend to give up caring.

I don't know if that's the point of the article you're referring to, that's just my personal conclusion.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

@Gerald: I don't know how this subject came up, other than talking about neo-cons; have you ever had the sigmoid flex instead of the full colonoscopy? you;re half-awake, and fart every time the doc fills=up your colon with air. I was aware enough to keep apologizing.

rewinn (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

I had an interesting discussion about Medicare with a corporatist who loved to tell me that Medicare would be insolvent in 10 years. What he meant was that according to projections medicare costs would exceed its income in 10 years. That may be the case, so I asked him to compare it to private health insurance.

Money in: Taxes
Money out:
97% for health care
3% for overhead
In 10 years, Money Out will exceed Money, requiring a tax raise

Private health Insurance
Money in:
Money out:
65% for health care
35% for overhead (including profit)
Premiums will be raised this year
Premiums were raised last year
Premiums will be raised every year


Now tell me ... which system is the problem?

RussianThistle (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Without a doubt, in today's economic environment, the best thing that we can do to support small businesses is enact Medicare for all. Also, until we find a way to provide universal health care, it will be harder and harder for those over 45 and under 65 to find employment.

I am absolutely stunned that, as has been pointed out in the show, the Tea Bag nation don't seem to get this.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Here is what I wrote Terry-

Good for you. I am listening to you on the Thom Hartmann show. I say you ought to call out President Barack Obama to marry you. He did a back door deal with big pharma and then allowed a circus to try to cover it up, when all he had to do was extend medicare.

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago


My basic premise is that the national security state is incompatible with democracy. We go through the motions of elections, sort-of, sometimes, but the results are suspect, or if a change of party in power is acheived, it doesn't make much of a difference.

Information is the coin of an informed electorate, disinformation is a classic tool of the security complex. Did you read the Parry article?

In that same vein, check out this one:

NY Times: No Conflict of Interest - With the Conventional Wisdom
by Robert Jensen http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/09-4

The New York Times' public editor wrestled this week with conflict-of-interest charges sparked by the revelation that Jerusalem bureau chief Ethan Bronner's son had joined the Israeli army.
The executive editor of the paper responded with a sensible defense of the paper's decision to keep Bronner in that position.
Although it had the appearance of a spirited exchange, the "debate" was a tired old diversion that keeps us from facing more important questions, not just about the Israel/Palestine conflict but about U.S. journalists' coverage of the world. As is typical in mainstream journalists' discussions of journalistic neutrality and objectivity, the focus on an individual obscures more important questions about the institutions for which individuals work and the powerful forces that shape those institutions' picture of the world.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

@Harry from Texas.

Welcome Harry! I drove thru Texas and was appalled, I either saw cold concrete of the big cities, or desert, dead land, or big smelly livestock . The word is out though that many Californians are moving to Austin. How far away from there are you?

EmotionalProblems (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

Quite touching. Marrying for health insurance. I actually have little or no problem with this solution to a very pervasive issue. Cynicism is now a virtue. Cool! Cool! Huh, huh... Huh!

geph (not verified) 10 years 32 weeks ago

What do we call the false conservatives? There is a short and similar word that represents most of their essential characteristics as in:

criminal behavior
overly critical

That word is Con.

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