Daily Topics - Wednesday February 3rd 2010

afghanistan 2 imagesQuote:  “Talk about centralisation! The credit system, which has its focus in the so-called national banks and the big money-lenders and usurers surrounding them, constitutes enormous centralisation, and gives this class of parasites the fabulous power, not only to periodically despoil industrial capitalists, but also to interfere in actual production in a most dangerous manner— and this gang knows nothing about production and has nothing to do with it.” -- Karl Marx

Hour One - Why do you think that creating a million more terrorists and inflaiming the Islamic world is somehow going to "save" Obama's presidency? Are you suggesting that this will work out for Obama just as that nice little war in Iraq worked out for Bush? Daniel Pipes www.meforum.org and www.danielpipes.org

Plus...Ron Lopez, Employed at Toyota (NUMMI) factory for 18 years; his wife for 15 years. Toyota to close NUMMI plant in Freemont, CA

Hour Two - Dick Kay, Political reporter for NBC TV in Chicago for 38 years www.doogiesplace.com Are the Democrats getting their mojo back?

Plus...Mark Karlin, Editor and Publisher of Buzzflash.com  Buzzflash "Wings of Justice" award for "Unequal Protection", also Chicago primary

Hour Three - Eamonn Fingleton www.unsustainable.org  Japan - Economy...who's recovering, who's not and why?

Plus...Steve Keen www.debtdeflation.com From Austrailia - Economy...who's recovering, who's not and why?

UPCOMING EVENTS  WITH THOM HARTMANN:

Los Angeles, CA - Saturday, February 6th, 7:30pm at the Downtown Independent Theater (251 S. Main Street in L.A.)  - a special screening of Robert Greenwald's powerful film "Rethink Afghanistan"...speakers include Thom Hartmann, Robert Greenwald, and Anand Gopal, Afghanistan based correspondent for the Christian Science Monitor.  Free tickets!!   But you MUST RSVP at  www.rethinkafghanistan.com/screenings

Comments

DRichards (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#1

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/
Fascinating piece in the New York Times today about the original Tea Party movement, which took place -- sacre bleu! -- in France in the 1950s, complete with angry small business owners, a chief executive who was accused by some of not being "a real Frenchman," and other interesting conspiracy theories. What's most relevant for our present condition is the question: How did it end?

The election, though, proved to be Poujade’s swan song. He had demanded the nation’s ear, but once he and his fellow deputies had it, they had nothing substantive to say. Slogans and placards were poor preparation for governance, and the group’s rank and file soon either retreated from the political arena or joined the traditional right.

By 1958, most Poujadists were ready to throw their support behind a far more impressive opponent of the Fourth Republic, Charles de Gaulle. When de Gaulle assumed power and held a referendum that replaced the parliamentary system with an authoritarian executive, Poujade’s former adherents overwhelmingly voted yes. As for Poujade himself, he had already become a footnote to French history.

Today in America, we're seeing this already play out to some degree even before the fall 2010 elections, thanks in part to the fulcrum shift between the 60 and now (technically, as of Feb. 11) 59 Democratic votes in the Senate. People wondered if and how Obama would "pivot" in the State of the Union and related events, and I think the pivot was trying to place more responsibility on the GOP to...do something, anything. The "Party of No" may be offering a tiny ray of hope to the Democrats by giving them a chance now to run in November against the "do-nothing 41." (Although voters can and should also ask the Dems why they did absolutely nothing during those months that they had a supermajority.)

The other interesting parallel: Who is the Tea Party/GOP deGaulle?...no doubt this mass movement would rather rally behind an authoritative leader than all the hard work of holding rallies, carrying signs, etc. But who is that person? Sarah Palin? I think she'd only run for the job if they raised the presidential salary to at least $5 mil, right?

Charles (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#2

Pipes seems to confuse his economic and social liberation. Launching animals into space is a means of entering into the space economy; satelites, research and maybe a seat in the international space station.

rewinn (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#3

Daniel Pipes cannot possibly be as stupid as he sounds.

What's he really up to? He can't possibly think that bombing Iran would end its nuclear program; the program is too dispersed precisely out of fear of being bombed.

Pipes *is* providing the mullahs with propaganda points to help prop them up. And that gives people like Pipes more ammo for their books. They're sort of propping each other up.

Charles (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#4

Pipes = PNAC 2.0

DDay (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#5

Minnesota is an interesting Bell-weather state following on the heels of the Massachusetts Senatorial Special Election. Last night was caucus night in MN. Two years ago, the parking lot outside our polling place was jammed and so were the surrounding streets. My precinct which met in a high school classroom was standing room only. This year my precinct had five people, (including myself). Funny thing is that two years ago, none of those new attendees ever showed up again for anything except the Nov. vote. This year there was a qualitative difference in that every single person who came out on a cold winter night in an "Off" year were anxious to be delegates to the upcoming conventions and expressed interest in becoming involved in local party activities. They did not come out as part of a personality cult but rather because they were concerned about their state and country. Early figures indicate that only 12% as many people showed up this year as two years ago. I found this years crop more valuable in that the wheat was separated from the chaff.

There were 11 candidates on the Democratic side vying for Governor. The intersting development coming from the straw poll taken was that two fairly little known candidates who were the most liberal/progressive finished in the top tier out-polling six better financed and better known candidates. Between them, they received more than 15% of the total vote. The two top vote getters were more establishment choices who each received approx. 20%. One was R.T. Ryback, (Minneapolis Mayor), and Margret A. Kelliher, (State Speaker of the House). Third place was "Uncommitted". Neither one of these front runners will be successful in Nov. without being able to attract the left base. If there is lesson to be learned from Mass.: you ignore the liberal base at your own risk. Rahm had it only half right when he derisively said: " they have no where else to go." No Rahm, they can decide to stay home or worse yet send a protest vote and elect an unknown. Progressives are on the war path. Other lesson to be learned? It's a cliche', but...The middle of the road was a dangerous place to be in MN. last night. One of the candidates who ended up as road-kill last night was a good fellow named Matt Entenza. He and his wife are reported ton be worth around 300 million. She, (Lois Quam) was a former vice president of United Health. Her boss was Bill McGuire. The torches and pitchforks are out. BTW, the Republicon's turnout was 30% of two years ago. They are a little better disciplined than the Dems, but, not that much. I think this political fight is very fluid and will remain so until Nov. All the talking heads are predicting a bad slog for the Dems. It might be if we believe it. It could turn out to be more dangerous to be an incumbent than just a Dem. We'll see. Obama seems to be getting his groove back.

Charles (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#6

Our trading "partners" impose restrictive tariffs on our products to protect their domestic manufacturing. Some of these are assessed in excess of 60% of the value of the product (including packaging and shipping cost). We, on the other hand, have basically a 3% excise on imports. And you wonder why we make very little here. We should impose reciprocal tariffs.

ephemera (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#7

I see your Marx quote and raise you a quote from Bakunin!

"Socialism Is Justice...Socialism is justice. When we speak of justice, we understand thereby not the justice contained in the Codes and in Roman jurisprudence - which were based to a great extent upon facts of violence achieved by force, violence consecrated by time and by the benedictions of some church or other (Christian or pagan), and as such accepted as absolute principles, from which all law is to be deduced by a process of logical reasoning - no, we speak of that justice which is based solely upon human conscience, the justice to be found in the consciousness of every man - even in that of children - and which can be expressed in a single word: equity.

This universal justice which, owing to conquests by force and religious influences, has never yet prevailed in the political or juridical or economic worlds, should become the basis of the new world. Without it there can be neither liberty, nor republic, nor prosperity, nor peace. It then must govern our resolutions in order that we work effectively toward the establishment of peace. And this justice urges us to take upon ourselves the defense of the interests of the terribly maltreated people and demand their economic and social emancipation along with political freedom. " - Mikhail Bakunin

Tom Palmer (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#8

I see the mob lawyer mayor of las vegas says Obama is not welcome in his town because Obama mentioned vegas as someplace you would not go if you were struggling in this economy.Well mob lawyer mayor Goldman got offended.Maybe he should be working with the other politicians to see what other kind of jobs they can get in there so they are not dependent on casinos.They got greedy with the building in vegas and now that is hurting.Really that is all they have casinos and building and they have abused it all.

9 (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#9

Well Thom, I thought your interview with Mr. Lopez was rather superficial. You were intent on attacking the Japanese manufacturer Toyota while leaving out the fact that GM (who jointly operated the plant with Toyota) pulled the manufacturing of the Pontiac Vibe out of the plant last June. Where's your criticism of GM for leaving pulling out of that plant - leaving it for Toyota, apparently, to be criticized for pulling the one to turn out the last lights? Toyota might have benefited the most from Cash For Clunkers, but GM got bailed out by us taxpayers. I don't recall you criticizing GM for leaving that plant, did you?

Also, apparently, the land that plant is sitting on is being eyed by major league baseball's Oakland Athletics franchise.

mstaggerlee (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#10

@DRichards -

PLEASE do not propogate the myth of the Democratic Supermajority - we never REALLY had one. With DINOs like LIEberman, Nelson, Lincoln and the like, we could never depend on 60 votes for ANY item on the progressive agenda.

The "Democrat Supermajority" was just another piece of FOX-speak, used to demonstrate that even though we had the numbers, we were still incapable of leadership. Helping them spread that meme does not advance any progressive cause.

mstaggerlee (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#11

@9 -

In case you hadn't noticed, GM did not simply shut down production of the Pontiac Vibe at the NUMMI plant - they've shut down the entire Pontiac division. The Pontiac brand name is now extinct!

Part of GM's problem was that they were spread too thin - too many divisions with insufficient differentiation, cutting into one another's market segments. It was an unsustainable situation. Chevy & Caddy seem fairly solid, but I think the jury may still be out regarding whether or not Buick can survive over the long haul.

Tom Palmer (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#12

In Federalist 78,Alexander argues that the judiciary is the least dangerous branch to democracy, and that courts are the true defender of the will of the people....would he feel the same today?

Humboldt William (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#13

"Supreme Court Republicans Of The US - I call them SCROTUS cos Democracy just got Teabagged."-John Fugelsang

Maggie McManus (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#14

The BIGGEST IRONY of the Supreme Court Ruling is: while on the one hand, so many scream and yell in fear that an immigrant may come into the US and get a $5 meal, a $25 Vaccine, or even a job, there is not a peep from them when the opening widens for foreign corps to sail in- under the guise of corporate "personhood" - and lay claim to our entire government and our economy. Wake up America ! Focusing on the little distractions lets the bigger storm grow until IT is too big to fail in its purpose.

artguy (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#15

I propose that we start using a more accurate term to describe the corporate Republicans: Corporate Royalists. (Unfortunately, this applies as well to many Democrats as well.)

Like the Royalists of old, they prefer the authority of a non-democratic elite to that of the people. Some conflate Corporations with Religion to make their allegience to an "Ultimate Authority." They are much more comfortable with Corporate Religious leaders, those who make millions of dollars and have mammoth congregations, than they are with smaller, service oriented church leaders. (Think of their hatred of Aristiede—and Jimmy Carter.)

9 (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#16

@mstaggerlee -

And the reason GM didn't assign the manufacture of one of continuing car lines to the Nummi plant is...? Please don't get me wrong, I'm not against the workers there. But why just blame Toyota while, apparently, holding GM blameless? It's a bit too close to the return of the Japan-bashing from the early 1990's for my comfort.

rewinn (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#17

'A Penny for Your Banker Holiday' Proposed!

One penny out of every dollar spent in the United States of America in 2009 went for salaries and bonuses at Wall Street firms, prompting demands for a new federal holiday.

"We awarded ourselves $140 Billion in salary and bonusses in 2009," explained one investment banker, "That's about 1 percent of the $14 Trillion U.S. GDP. An accomplishment like that deserves a federal holiday. We call it 'A Penny for Your Banker Day!'"

Pundits cheered this accomplishment, "Every time you buy a 99 cent hamburger, what happens to that other penny?" one asked. "Don't worry, it's not lost! One way or another, it will end up safely in the pocket of a Wall Street banker!

"For example, if you spend $100 on groceries, a dollar of that goes through a complicated network of financial finagling to the people who helped collapse the economy. If you spend $10,000 on a used car, that's $100 for Wall Street - almost enough for a champagne lunch or half an hour with a moderately-priced hooker. If George Washington gets a holiday for something he did over two hundred years ago, why shouldn't Wall Street bankers get a holiday for something they're doing right now?"

Congress is expected to act quickly on the proposal. "There's an election in November," said one campaign manager, "And we all know that a happy Wall Street banker is a generous Wall Street Banker!"

http://rewinn.blogspot.com/2010/02/penny-for-your-banker-holiday-propose...

mstaggerlee (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#18

@9 -

The reason is simple - they're manufacturing fewer cars. NUMMI represented excess production for them. They needed to make less, and sell more of what they were making.

SHOULD GM be held completely blameless inthe shutdown of this plant? Probably not - it IS, as you point out, unfair to Toyota to lay the blame entirely at their door. Since when has the news media been interested in "fair"?

9 (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#19

@mstaggerlee

I quite agree with you - the news media has never been interested in fair. All they're interested in is (and I borrow from Michael Douglas' speech in "The American President) "...making you afraid of it and telling you who's to blame for it." Of course, that didn't actually refer to the media itself, but I think it still applies.

JohnnyO (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#20

They are constantly saying the Democratic Party needs 60 votes to pass a bill. What short memories we have. What I mean is the Repuke's used to yell scream about an "up and down vote" to confirm Roberts and Alito. Why doesn't the Democratic Party use the same tactics? The Repuke's even buzzed the "Nuclear Option" too.

Finally for a thought: 1(One) Trillion Dollars is the equivalent of having 1(One) Million Millionaires.

DDay (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#21

The fundamentalists and the conservative right have sought to be the arbiters of public morality and values for some time now. Whether it is reproductive rights or sexual preference, there has been nothing too personal, private, or sovereign to be off limits for their pronouncements of judgment. The individual liberties of self determination and free will are sacrificed to the ideological tenets of unfettered capitalism and religious dogma. I believe that the Right's true allegiance to religious piety is less sincere and fundamental, otherwise there would be much more emphasis on being honest and truthful. Lying and shading the truth have become both science and art as mastered by the Right. What is lying, but, stealing the truth? Nine out of the Ten Commandments concern theft. Bearing false witness is given prominent billing except for by the Republican Right-wing.

That people will lie and cheat to achieve there selfish goals is nothing new in history. What sets this time apart is threefold: First, the organized, scientifically crafted, effort to manipulate or deceive as practiced by organizations like The Heritage Foundation. Secondly, The Internet and other forms of information technology which disseminates massively and universally. Finally, and most concerning to me, is the dumbing down of public tolerance of falsehoods and other perfidies. Why do we tolerate so much dishonesty? Why isn't telling a lie more shameful? Why do we punish liars so infrequently and in such an arbitrary way? John Edwards cheats on his cancer afflicted wife and he is done...but John McCain and Newt Gingrich cheat on their sick wives and are still going strong, Why? Howard Dean is recorded making a silly "rebel yell" and he is toast, while David Vitter is discovered visiting prostitutes who dress him in diapers as per his requests, and he is forgiven with standing ovations from his fellow Republican senators.

Before we permit our opponents to lecture us on ethics and morality again, we should insist first on zero tolerance for lies or "half-truths" either. This is a ultimatum that only the people as a whole can issue. While the political right is primarily responsible, the Democratic Party has lost it's authority to cast stones. Too many in positions of power and fallen prey to the temptations of the influence of money to be able to avoid being called a hypocrite if they point fingers. Until the majority of the voting public no longer tolerates lying and extracts a toll for doing so by their elected representatives and others, this insanity will continue and little of importance will be accomplished. Endless debate, will be our fate, with little increase in understanding, because, we cannot even agree on rational truth as being the reasonable standard on which we all can agree. This a perfect environment for the rise of mutant forms like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Glen Beck and other oddities. They can only survive and flourish in an environment where lying has been dumbed down. Who's running this zoo?

Jefferson said it better: "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."

Charles (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#22

The North American Missle Defense had another failed test this week and we keep pumping more money into this cow.

DDay (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#23

s.b. have fallen prey.... not...and fallen prey. sorry

Nels (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#24

I know this is a bit off topic, but I want to write it anyway.

Why is it that its illegal for a witness in court to lie (ie perjury), but there is no legal recourse when a politician knowingly lies?

I know some might say, it is grounds for impeachment, but I really can't see why it shouldn't be a more open procedure that citizen groups could use to go after lying politicians.

Charles (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#25

DDay

Your point that the Right's moral superiority is disingenuous is spot on. They have coopted the tenets of the truly religious to sway their favor and votes. The scary part is this religious front has begun putting up their own candidates who do hold these religious views.

DDay (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#26

@ Nels

Your comments seem to be on topic as far as I'm concerned!

BTW, good to see you here. I thought you might be off hiking the Appalachian Trail with TCL. Good to know you resisted her siren call. :-)

Charles (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#27

Nels

Politicians take an oath to uphold the laws whereas a person testifying in court takes an oath to tell the truth. So, politicians agree to support but not abide.

Nels (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#28

DDAY, no trip with TCL, I've been busy getting a new job (two actually).

So anyone have an answer for my question? Is there some procedure that might already exist and I'm not aware of it? I just wonder why something that seems like such an oversight is not being demanded.

I'd like to propose that any politician that has been caught knowingly lying must give up their office and never allowed to hold office again.

I know, I know... snowballs chance and all that... but a can wish can't I.

Charles (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#29

Oath of Office for Congress

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will SUPPORT and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

Not obliged to abide.

Nels (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#30

Well an Oath your not obliged to abide, is meaningless. So how do we the people make this oath obligatory?

And not just for Congress, I want to see it enacted for all public offices.

DDay (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#31

The best court for politicians who lie is the court of public opinion. It is up to us to impose justice. We cannot outsource our responsibilities. Politics mirrors the public square. Each one of us must look in that mirror and resolve to longer tolerate dishonesty, in our own dealings, and in the dealings of our public figures and servants. Holding office is a special honor and responsibility. It's high time we treated it that way. Yes, the lying by politicians might sometimes be a judicial matter, but, it should always be the publics ultimate responsibility, regardless.

DDay (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#32

sb. no longer tolerate....I'm still tired after last night's caucuses here.

Anthony (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#33

Thom,

You mentioned Germany's surprisingly low unemployment rate. Along with what you said, Germany actually subsidizes companies to hire and keep people on their payroll, even if at lower wages. It's a really smart idea. Better little than none. On top of that Another reason they can afford to live on lower wages is their Universal Healthcare. It's a complex system, of non-profits and public, but its by any margin more cost effective than ours. And yet, they say Socialism doesn't work, right? Let's just let the free market figure it out. That'll be better.

And i just want to say.....Poor and Lower income Republicans/Fiscal Conservatives are the saddest people I've ever met. They're like the a bank showing a robber into their vaults. They have no idea how bad they're getting screwed under the guise of religious, or even worse, their affection for the plight of Millionaires and Corporations. It would be enough to laugh if the problem didn't effect all of us. Otherwise they would be the crazy guy on the corner yelling conspiracy theories about Communism and holding a sign that said "God Hates Gays".

Nels (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#34

DDay, that sounds like a wonderful idea in theory... but in practice I would say most of the electorate is incapable, or willingly ignorant about many of politicians lies.

When Bush and Cheney lied us into a war, they weren't voted out. They weren't brought up on Impeachment charges. We the people only had the hope that the House of Representatives would act in such a way, but they didn't. In other words, we the people are not allowed the tools to go after such politicians when our own chosen representatives refuse to act.

I'm tired of a Government for the People, By the People... through the proxy of a chosen few. To me its a disgraceful sham.

DDay (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#35

One cannot hope to realize the fruits of morality through legislation alone. They must first endeavor to try and live those values before trying to impose them on everyone else.

Nels (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#36

I hope you realize that I'm not asking for morality legislation. What I'm talking about is deceiving the public for the detriment of the public good. Perhaps, as you seem to be leading to, such legislation as I'm proposing should be limited only to a politician who lies for personal, or for a lobbyist organizations gain. But not to some of the more unseemly lies about their sexual orientation, or flip flops on their views about whatever.

It just seems to me, that when you take a witness stand, you're obligated to the the truth to the judge who is there as a representative of the Government. The Government is meant to be the people. So why is it when a politician takes the pulpit, is it acceptable for them to lie.

I do realize that technically it is ok, what I'm getting at is why is it ok philosophically in considerations of the foundations of democracy.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#37

Thom’s guest suggests that America starts a fourth war in the Middle East by bombing Iran. The Twenty-first Century will be the century of the evil empire (USA) in the killing of God’s children. The USA will reveal herself as evil if not more evil than China, India, Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, and Israel.

China leads the world in solar energy. USA leads the world as a banana republic. The USA continues to slide into the abyss of irrelevancy.

Thom, thank you for another labor segment on your show!!!

Gerald Socha (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#38
Gerald Socha (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#39

Our son is bringing me a three and one half hour documentary to watch on What the Elite Plan to do in the Next Two Years. It should be an interesting horror video.

DDay (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#40

@Nels

I again refer to Jefferson's quote about tyranny getting a foothold when people of good conscience remain silent. There isn't always a shortcut to success. People must raise their voices and lend support to those who will stand resolute. What better thing to make a stand on than accuracy and truth? What good can we expect to come when they are absent? I'm saying that we need a movement of people to champion the essential values of rational truth. You are right Nels, the majority of the electorate may not be in step with this concern today but they will not be tomorrow either, without people taking a stand and building consensus. What hope do any of us have if truth and honesty are so discounted in everyday life? None. Besides, this isn't such a difficult sell...the virtues of truth and honesty are fairly unassailable.
BTW. This isn't just cheap talk or pointless bloviation on my part. Last Sunday we held a fund-raiser for a new PAC here. It has been registered with the FEC as RATPAC. Residents for Accuracy & Truth. We raised six thousand dollars. Our initial goal is 50K. Our first target is Michele Bachmann. We will work to expose lies in politicians and promote accuracy and truth from public servants. When are web site is up soon, I hope you will consider a modest contribution. You must crawl before you walk. We plan to run, one day soon. Good men and women must work together to defeat the forces of greed and ignorance. I don't care when they call us elites. They are right! & truth be known, only jealous. Congrats on the jobs. :-)

Nels (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#41

Thanks DDay for the last comment (in particular). I'll be happy to contribute to your PAC. Hope you keep the crazy on the run as you nip at her heals. I'd promote legislating against stupidity in regards to getting rid of her, but that is a bridge too far.

Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
Mark Twain

Gerald Socha (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#42

It is time to start calling Obama a war criminal!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Obama-s-Budget-Calls-for-B-by-Jason-Leo...

DDay (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#43

Nels, did you know that it was recently reported that 27% of the members of Congress have rrhoids? It's true... the rest are perfect A-Holes.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
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Nels (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#45

@Gerald, I took a look at the link you provided. I see that Obama is requesting more funds to continue the war. I just skimmed through the article though, is there anything in that story that is more to the point as why he is a war criminal?

I only ask because, well being a war criminal takes more than just being criminal, you sort of have to go beyond and above the call of brutality to be considered such.

However, I understand and agree that War in of itself is a criminal operation against humanity. But what's the point, what would you like to have Obama charged with at the Hague?

Gerald Socha (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#46

I bow all the time to my wife. I do not find it a big deal.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2010/02/02/fox_bow/index.html?sou...

Nels (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#47

DDay, I did not know that, and I'm shocked, just shocked that only 73% are considered so.... I thought that was one thing they all had in common :-)

Nels (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#48

@Gerald, that last article was interesting. Leave it to Fox to find weakness in good manners... obviously they haven't a clue as to what manners are or why one would use them.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#49

@Nels, I am a big believer in our country becoming a member of the family of nations and join the International Criminal Court at The Hague. It is for this court to make the decision. My concern is that America is functioning above the law. We make the rules and other countries must obey us. The USA is known as a James Bond 007 country with a license to kill any and everyone of God's children. That is my firm belief. The Hague would prove me right or wrong.

Nels, please remember that Iraq is a wrong and an immoral war. The killing in this war is a crime. Obama has continued to kill civilians in other countries. We cannot play cop to the world even though we personify the Keystone Cops in our behavior.

Going to war was unnecessary! We must not fall prey to the evil doers in our country and glorify war. People who believe in wrong and immoral wars are distancing themselves from God and damning their souls.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 9 years 51 weeks ago
#50

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