Daily Topics - Friday - March 12th 2010
By Louise
Quote: The labor movement means just this: It is the last noble protest of the American people against the power of incorporated wealth -- Wendell Phillips
Hour One - "Brunch With Bernie" Sen. Bernie Sanders
Hour Two - President, AFL-CIO, Richard Trumka www.aflcio.org Topic: Jobs, Whirlpool jobs going to Mexico, healthcare, Employee Free Choice
Upcoming Events with Thom Hartmann:
Friday, March 19th, 6-8pm Demos and the New York Law School Chapter of the American Constitution Society present an evening with Thom Hartmann - "When Corporations Became People." Thom will also talk about his updated book "Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights"...event is at New York Law School Auditorium, 185 W Broadway, New York, NY...free tickets at www.demos.org (and click on events)
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#2
To the Quote: Here, Here!!!
#3
What does Tom Tancredo have in common with Sheriff Joe Arpaio and former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum, besides having an almost psychopathic fascination with brown-skinned people? They are all of Italian descent, and they are just a few of the people with Italian names that strangely seem to appear rather frequently whenever someone is raving about Latino immigrants or people who shouldn’t be allowed to vote. You may notice that whenever they try to justify their bigotry, they always mention something about how their parents or grandparents came from Italy or whatever. So that’s supposed to explain it? The novelist John Fante, who was Italian-American, did offer an explanation in his novel “Ask the Dust,” which was made into a movie a few years ago. The novel rather strongly resembles “Of Human Bondage”: the Mexican barmaid Camilla Lopez is desperately in love with an Anglo who despises her, while rejecting the overtures of a man with the disappointingly un-Anglo name of Arturo Bandini—not difficult to do because he frequently speaks to her in demeaning stereotypes. In a line that was in the movie but not the novel, Bandini ruefully observes that Lopez wants to be a “Mrs. White.” Eventually he finds his place in the world as a successful author, while she becomes a dope addict and goes insane.
Anyways, Bandini confesses to us that the reason he treated Lopez so badly could be traced to his own pain, when as a youth in Colorado he was called various uncomplimentary names because of his Italian heritage by the Aryan youth there, and how he knew he wasn't one of them and could never be. And now, looking back, he was ashamed of the way he had behaved.
It is interesting to note that Fante—who was himself raised in Colorado—was able to confront the failings of society and his own faults so honestly. Compare this with that other Italian-American from Colorado, Tancredo, who clearly has inferiority complex issues that for him can only be dealt with by out-bigoting the bigots.
I also happened to read in the local sports page yesterday that black baseball player Torii Hunter, while decrying the apparent decline in the numbers of African-American players in MLB, was quoted in USA Today thus concerning Latino players who had black skin like himself:
"People see dark faces out there, and the perception is that they're African American. They're not us. They're impostors. Even people I know come up and say, 'Hey, what color is Vladimir Guerrero? Is he a black player?' I say, 'Come on, he's Dominican. He's not black.' "
What are we to make of this? There are many people of African descent in Latin American. Except for their names and native language, they are no different from any other black person in the U.S. The Dominican Republican just happens to share the same island as Haiti, where, it seems, a lot of people of African descent live. I also doubt that Guerrero and Manny Ramirez would say that they are playing for a “bag of chips.” What this does show us is that anti-Latino immigrant sentiment encompasses even the absurd.
#4
www.pahrumplife.org writes: Read the book, The Family, by Jeff Sharlet, to get specific reasons for the madness out there that wages war for fun and profit and for the sake of God. In one poignant passage in the book Mr. Sharlet recalls an article in the February 18, 1966 Washington Post describing the choice of words by one Billy Graham, quoting and then paraphrasing words of Jesus. The Paragraph begins:
“Over ‘lamb chops and hash-browned potatoes and fried apples and fried tomatoes,’ reported the Washington Post in 1966, Billy Graham followed LBJ to the podium of the National Prayer Breakfast to preach the fury of Christ down on America's enemies in Vietnam... "I am come to send fire on the earth!" he quoted Christ. "Think not that I am come to send peace but a sword!" ‘There are those,’ Graham continued, ‘who have tried to reduce Christ to a genial and innocuous appeaser; but Jesus said, You are wrong--I have come as a firesetter and a sword-wielder.’”
The first and second quotes above from Jesus are from scripture, Luke 12:49 and Matthew 10:34. respectively. They are juxtaposed and out of context and as such have lost much of their original poetry to make a new sort of poetry that would presumably fit the message that the above Jesus quoter is trying to convey. Upon reading the whole chapters Matthew 10 and Luke 12, I believe one can see that Christ is advising his disciples on how to spread His word and is laying out the difficulties that they will encounter in this task while also espousing the apostles’ value, and the precautions that they must take in the effort. I believe he is telling his pupils that His words of peace and love have the effect of a sword in that they will be difficult to accept by some people who, invested with interests in war or wronged, sick with rage and vengeance, will differ from even their own family members who see righteousness in those words of peace albeit that they may kindle a fury in those who will not accept it, ergo helping to create great unrest, violence and more murderous and cataclysmic war. And other quotes by Jesus support this analogy and exemplify Jesus’ mere war of words, especially the following: “Therefore repent; or else I am coming to you quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of My mouth” (Revelation 2:16). Again His word can be interpreted as His sword.
“You are wrong--I have come as a firesetter and a sword-wielder” is a paraphrase of the verse from Matthew and the verse from Luke, convenient extra words put into the mouth of Christ by a spinning reverend applying an extra kicker in the sermon, as if a nod from Jesus to go ahead and escalate the violent war. Again we can see that Jesus’ words clearly were whitewashed, colored and spun around.
For more on this subject and related subjects please check out:
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/access/120305466.h...
Pahrumplife on Mike’s Blog - http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/must-read/americas-mayor-calls-morator...
#5
What does Bernie think of Grayson's Hartmann's Medicare Part E
[Grayson also ripped off Stephanie Miller's just die. Sure Grayson would want to give credit where credit is due, but can you imagine the football that would be for the right....]
Medicare for anyone who wants to pay for it Sign Petition Pls RT http://bit.ly/cUI2ue via @alangrayson
#6
Stop Stupak! Women die giving birth. See study: http://bit.ly/aI8bLh Sign petition here. http://bit.ly/9hEwxH 202 225-4735
Mr Stupak's next venture no doubt will be to save the child that dies every 5 seconds in this world, as no doubt his perversion of civil rights and privacy has nothing to do with his disdain for women. Stop Supak Women die giving birth. http://bit.ly/aI8bLh Let Stupak intervene in this medical decision for you?
#7
Did Bernie co sign Grayson's (Hartmann's ) Medicare E? Even Dennis Kucinich signed it! Grayson was on Alan Colmes show last evening. The bill is only 4 pages long. It is Medicare for anyone who wants to pay for it, Grayson said.
#8
Sorry- my last post here, promise- but ironically, this just came in my inbox:
Dear xxxxx,
Tomorrow, March 13th is my dad Alan Grayson's 52nd birthday. If you appreciate all he's doing to stand up for all of us, I encourage you to give a gift of $52 to his campaign.
Wish Dad a Happy 52nd Birthday by Contributing $52!
This week, Dad called for a vote on the public option. He introduced a super-simple four-page bill to let all Americans buy into Medicare. That bill already attracted 50 cosponsors, and thousands of supporters at :
WeWantMedicare.com.
Day in and day out, Dad is fighting to help ordinary people. He's got a good heart. Please wish him a happy 52nd birthday with a $52 contribution.
Wish Congressman Grayson a Happy 52nd Birthday, by Contributing $52!
Thanks!
Skye Grayson
(Alan's Daughter)
#9
@KMH,
Grayson's bill is in the House, which is a completely separate animal than the Senate.
In just two days, Alan Grayson has piled up 50 co-sponsors to his Medicare buy-in bill, which is designed as a stand-alone bill rather than as an amendment to the health reform bill. Here is the complete list of 50 co-sponsors:
50 CURRENT COSPONSORS : Bob Filner, Jan Schakowsky, Barney Frank, Dennis Kucinich, Donna Edwards, Jared Polis, Chellie Pingree, Sheila Jackson Lee, Carol Shea-Porter, Diane Watson, John Lewis, Anthony Weiner, Jerrold Nadler, Nydia Velazquez, Keith Ellison, Loretta Sanchez, Hank Johnson, Maxine Waters, Luis Gutierrez, Lynn Woolsey, Marcy Kaptur, Charles Rangel, Patrick Kennedy, Raul Grijalva, Donna Christian-Christensen, John Olver, Corrine Brown, Eddie Bernice Johnson, Marcia L. Fudge, Danny K. Davis, Pedro Pierluisi, Grace Napolitano, Alcee Hastings, John Hall, Shelley Berkley, John Conyers, Jim McGovern, Phil Hare, Betty Sutton, Jim McDermott, Gregorio Sablan, Maurice Hinchey, Carolyn Maloney, Barbara Lee, Elijah Cummings, Gregory Meeks, Edolphus Towns, Al Green, David Wu, and Rush Holt.
#10
If California could pass a single payer health care system, will the federal government have the ability to shut it down? or will it sort of enter the legal limbo status Medical Marijuana has, where its legal in the state but the fed's don't recognize it as legal, but aren't currently pursuing enforcement.
Will the fed's be able to do the same thing to states if they pass single payer, picking and choosing when and were it wishes to enforce federal law?
I'm just wondering how it will all play out, I'm expecting to see a Democratic governor here in California, and I expect that the State Legislature will get the bill passed then.
#11
@zero G thx- @Nels- Leno is sponsoring our single payer in CA. This is the THIRD time this has come thru.
The conspiracy theory here is that the Republicans de regulated our energy industry to get rid of Davis because it was know Davis would have signed single payer into law. Thus, he was recalled and Schwarzenegger put in his place- who has now vetoed this TWICE before.
Here is the bill: http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_810&sess=CUR&hous...
Lastly, on David Swanson's Facebook page, he is reporting that there is a law in Congress that would forbid states from having health care programs period!
#12
@zerog- lol- of course- what was I thinking!
#13
How will the subsidy be administrated. Will the government send us a check and then we send the check to the insurer- or what- Can you imagine if they sent it to us first? Hello beach!
#14
KMH, I have no doubts that Schwarzenegger will never allow a Health Care bill through. But his time is up, we're down to dealing with this bozo only for a matter of months now. (Time is on our side. ;-) )
But my question was really more open ended, in that I was looking for opinions on what may play out if California passes single payer, considering the federal laws that obstruct such things, and how much pressure the fed's would get from the Insurance lobbyists.
#15
While Thom and his AFL-CIO guest are busy scapegoating Mexico, maybe Thom can ask him about this fun fact: in 2008, China had a total trade surplus of $295 billion; the U.S. portion of that surplus was $266 billion ($50 billion more than the total imports from Mexico). Something seems terribly amiss here. They might also consider the fact that the Whirlpool move isn’t really about Mexico, is it? It’s about the inability of the U.S. to compete with the imports from Asia. At least Whirlpool is keeping jobs in the same hemisphere.
#16
@harry ashburn, thank you for the info on Thom's 2-5 PM show (CST). I have added it to my favorites' column.
#17
@harry ashburn (con't from yesterday)
You wrote: @Zero G: I agree with you wholeheartedly; but I feel the USA is sliding into fascism, with the corporations calling all the shots. That doesn’t excuse Chavez for his excesses.
I don't excuse the excesses of any state or leader, but the issue was the use of the term dictator in regards to Chavez. You seemed to be particularly concerned with the treatment of media in Venezuela.
Would you agree that the CIA, USAID, et al., has used the news media to foment disorder in countries it wishes to destabilize?
FAIR Study: Human Rights Coverage Serving Washington’s Needs
FAIR finds editors downplaying Colombia’s abuses, amplifying Venezuela’s
By Steve Rendall and Daniel Ward and Tess Hall
Any evenhanded comparison of the Colombian and Venezuelan governments’ human rights records would have to note that, though Venezuela’s record is far from perfect, that country is by every measure a safer place than Colombia to live, vote, organize unions and political groups, speak out against the government or practice journalism.
But a new survey by FAIR shows that, over the past 10 years, editors at four leading U.S. newspapers have focused more on purported human rights abuses in Venezuela than in Colombia, and their commentary would suggest that Venezuela’s government has a worse human rights record than Colombia’s. These papers, FAIR found, seem more interested in reinforcing official U.S. policy toward the region than in genuinely supporting the rights of Colombians and Venezuelans.
more at: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3699
#18
A long time ago when they first began, all fire departments were private entities. Sometimes 2 different companies would show up at a fire and get into a fight about who would put it out while the building burned. Later on, you could pay them a fee in advance, and they'd put their particular medallion on your house to show you had paid for their services. Fast forward to today. There are no private fire departments. All are municipal operations. How did this happen? People realized that having government run, universal fire protection was the best, most efficient way to insure the public good by protecting everyone equally. It's been that way for so long, and still makes so much sense, that only a lunatic would think that privatizing fire departments into a for profit enterprise is a good idea. Fire fighters are now correctly thought of as first responders, those whose responsibility it is to protect the public from danger. While the police and other law enforcement agencies are also first responders, their duties are even more closely associated with the governments obligation to defend it's citizens. It's interesting to note that there were once private police forces such as the Pinkerton agency. Those companies have devolved into security services that do not have the right of law enforcement. Universal health care provides exactly the same type of good as fire fighters and the police. It is shameful that in a country as advanced as the USA, our health care system is still living in the past, and that those who profit from it want to keep it that way at the expense of the nation as a whole. It's ridiculous that the USA has yet to see the simple truth that health care cannot be a for profit venture as it is structured today.
#19
@Nels- awe- see what you mean. I am equally curious, single payer may be held up just like prop 187 was. Further, as Mike Malloy reporting, Virginia passes a law saying there can be no mandatory health care premiums to be paid. CNN reporting, about 36 other states are considering the same laws.
#20
Also consider the treatment that Venezuela gets compared to say, Honduras:
Hillary Clinton’s “Damage Control” Trip to Latin America
March 11th 2010, by Mark Weisbrot
Hillary Clinton’s Latin America tour is turning out to be about as successful as George W. Bush’s visit in 2005, when he ended up leaving Argentina a day ahead of schedule just to get the hell out of town. The main difference is that she is not being greeted with protests and riots. For that she can thank the positive media image that her boss, President Obama, has managed to maintain in the region, despite his continuation of his predecessor’s policies.
But she has been even more diplomatically clumsy that Bush, who at least recognized that there were serious problems and knew what not to say. "The Honduras crisis has been managed to a successful conclusion," Clinton said in Buenos Aires, adding that “it was done without violence.”
This is rubbing salt into her hosts’ wounds, as they see the military overthrow of President Mel Zelaya last June, and the United States’ subsequent efforts to legitimize the dictatorship there, as not only a failure but a threat to democracy throughout the region.
It is also an outrageous thing to say, given the political killings, beatings, mass arrests and torture that the coup government used in order to maintain power and repress the pro-democracy movement. The worst part is that they are still committing these crimes.
more at: http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/5181
#21
@KMH makes one wonder if we're headed towards a State Rights vs Federal Dominance show down... didn't work out so well for Americans the last time this struggle played out. (Well at least from the last time I can recall from history.)
#22
@Nels, I know- Norman Goldman emailed me back about this and said " this is a dangerous game...a civil war started with this issue happening!"
#23
@KMH, yes indeed. Parallels can be found everywhere. The emergence of the Tea Party is not unlike Abolitionists, Supreme Court Dred Scott Decision mirror image of Citizens United, States are trying to pass laws that the Federal Gov is fighting against all the way, etc...
These are indeed interesting times we are living in... the Chinese Curse is in full effect.
#24
To those who want to learn more about people who do not believe in the supernatural, there is a good site to visit. Dr. PZ Myers is an asst. prof at the University of MN. Morris. He is currently attending the world-wide atheist convention in Melborne, Australia this week. He is a featured speaker along with Richard Dawkins and many other brilliant scientists. You can get a ton of info at http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ or just use PHARYNGULA.
#25
Thom in regards to your tariff rant, I agree 100%, but if they don't want to put tariffs on goods then make the shipping companies pay for 100% inspection of containers at the ports... see how quickly shipping cost go up then, and its a good American job creator. (I think I mentioned something like this months ago)
#26
In regards to genetically modified seeds... hasn't anyone ever read The Merchant of Venice. If these seed companies want farmers to not to use their seeds, then have them come take their seeds back, but leave the good seeds behind. A la take your pound of flesh, but not one drop of blood more.
#27
Wouldn't it be a beautiful thing if there was a debate about this seed issue in congress and a representative got up and read from Shakespeare... how's that for political theater?
#28
Can soldiers every really be brought home again after they've experienced combat? Doesn't seem like those who go are the ones that return.
All the more reason to avoid war at all costs, as far as I'm concerned.
#29
Thom,
You just told a caller it takes courage to run for Congress today and you didn't have that courage (I'm paraphrasing.) I think your media work is critical to turning this political situation around. Your work is so important and you make a unique, important contribution. (I know you KNOW that, but I just wanted to say it in response to your comment.) Thank you and bless you. Be well and full of courage.
I said something similar to my FBI profiler friend today, in that I didn't feel that I was doing enough to fight back against the corporate takeover. I said that I felt I should be out with my "pitchfork."
She said something really wonderful and energizing. She pointed out that I was politically active in every way I could be right now. She said that, when the time comes for the pitchforks, we would both be there. I knew she was right!
I just hope it doesn't have to get that bad, tho we both think it may. I said that Americans are like the frog in the pot of boiling water --- experiencing a steady, slow, (until now) barely detectable (to those not paying attention) increase of heat.
#30
@Nels- when you say 'Chinese Curse' - what exactly do you mean, or are you using the term in a general way?
#31
Thom, not that "we shouldn't go to war" without being attacked, but that it is illegal to do so, and those who so initiate hostilities must be held to account.
#32
@KMH Chinese Curse:
May you live in interesting times.
#33
@KMH, its an old Chinese Curse, "May you live in interesting times." I just giving credit to my source at the beginning of the line.
#34
Huffington Post censors Jesse Ventura:
Ventura: ‘You’re not allowed to ask’ about 9/11
By Muriel Kane
Friday, March 12th, 2010 -- 11:52 am
http://rawstory.com/2010/03/ventura-youre-allowed-ask-911/
Former Minnesota governor and one-time professional wrestler Jesse Ventura has run afoul of the Huffington Post's no-conspiracy-theory policy, and he's not happy about it.
"I can't believe the Huffington Post today will practice censorship," Ventura says in astonishment. "I've got news for them. ... I won't ever write for 'em again."
Ventura had posted an item on Tuesday which took note of a recent conference at which "more than one thousand architects and engineers signed a petition demanding that Congress begin a new investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11." He also quoted a few paragraphs from his new book, American Conspiracies, to explain why some of those experts see signs of controlled demolition.
The item was featured on the front page of Huffington Post when it first went up, but after a few hours it vanished. All that appears now at its original location is an editor's note saying, "The Huffington Post's editorial policy, laid out in our blogger guidelines, prohibits the promotion and promulgation of conspiracy theories -- including those about 9/11. As such, we have removed this post."
#35
Zero G.,
Jesse DOES have a way of taking his ball and going home if he gets push-back. We saw that when he was our MN governor.
That said, that doesn't automatically make him wrong...
#36
Zero G.,
BTW, I didn't mean to imply that you were being critical. I think your post is fascinating.
#37
The "rich" are far from slim and trim. Has the caller seen Bill Gates lately? Or is he just looking at the starving models in the "health" magazine?
What the "rich" have is the funds to offset their bad habits.
#38
What d'ya think of "Moms Rising" as a way of framing healthcare.
Everyone has a mom. Many Americans ARE moms. And they know by experience how healthcare affects them ...
"When Ashley's son started going to child care, he started bringing home more than macaroni art and cute little scribble pictures. He also brought home colds, the flu, pink eye, and a weird unidentifiable rash -- all things that meant Ashley needed to miss work to care for him.
"I didn't realize that child care was such a petri dish! It's pretty ironic that my son goes to child care so I can work, but then he gets sick so often and I have to stay home with him anyhow (and then I get sick too)." Ashley explains. "It all starts with just one sick kid. I know that sick kids are coming to child care sometimes because their parents can't take time off work, but when they do, we all end up getting sick and missing work."
Today, according to a just released study, more than a third of working women in establishments with more than 15 employees have no paid sick leave. [1] That means they lose needed income, and could risk losing their jobs, if they stay home to keep a sick child out of child care or school, or for their own illness. But this problem isn't limited to just moms: Conservative estimates are that 40% of the entire private sector doesn't have any paid sick days.
But that could change! Right now, Congress is considering a bill called the Healthy Families Act, which would give 13.3 million women--for a total of over 30 million people--the ability to earn paid sick days at work. "
Tell Congress: Parents need paid sick days to keep everyone healthier!
http://momsrising.democracyinaction.org/o/1768/p/dia/action/public/?acti...
#39
Campaign finance reform or any other tinkering with our electoral/political system will NOT solve our problems. We can have:
100% public financing
100% citizen participation in elections
100% vote count accuracy
And a candidate REJECTED by the People can still be imposed upon the nation as president... 18% of the population can still get a majority in the Senate, and 4.5% of the 12 smallest states can block any amendment.
The REAL reasons why our system is so unresponsive to the Will Of The People is our antiquated first-past-the-post election system which is incapable of measuring public opinion and the anti-democratic concept of state suffrage which gives some minorities too much power and can even permit minority rule.
If Thom REALLY believes in democracy as he claims, it's about time he stopped pussy-footing around this issue.
#40
Thom earlier criticized politicians for promoting xenophobia, but apparently he has no problem with allowing callers to cloud their judgments with xenophobia. Mexico is not "taking" jobs from Americans; American companies are. And why are they doing this? Because they can't compete with cheap imports, and they want to stay in business. And why they can't compete with cheap imports--and where those imports are coming from--should be the focus of the discussion, not saying the word "Mexico" or "Mexican" as if it was a dirty word. For many Americans those words are meant to be slurs. Thom prides himself on being knowledgeable and imparting knowledge, but apparently some of his listeners are not getting the correct information. Whose fault is that? Thom's?
#41
@Quark,
Jesse's behaviour exhibits a certain, how ishould I say, quantuum indeterminacy?
#42
Thom, does that mean you're going to retire and give a much youger guy your program slot. You could do a guest apperance once in a while when you're not busy writting. Great idea, you old geezer.
#43
As an old geezer, I was thinking about starting my own radio show. Thom, you've ruined my dream.
#44
Charles in OH,
Re: 'The “rich” are far from slim and trim. Has the caller seen Bill Gates lately?'
My husband and I laughingly refer to the "fuller figure" that often comes with age as "Frank Sinatra disease (no disrepect to Frank intended.) The size of the "aging Frank" compared with his reed-slim "youthful Frank" is notable. LOL!
#45
@ Mark K
I disagree. The United Mexican States is "taking" jobs from Americans. Their economic and environmental policies entice American corporations to relocate jobs to Mexico. Mexico is not unique to this but in no way should be exempted from finger pointing.
#46
Pelosi: Public option ‘not in reconciliation’
By Sahil Kapur
Friday, March 12th, 2010 -- 12:11 pm
If there was any lingering doubt as to whether the public option would survive the final health care motion, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) ended it on Friday morning.
"We had it. We wanted it," Pelosi told reporters at a press briefing. "It's not in reconciliation... We're talking about something that is not going to be part of the legislation."
While Pelosi may be the purveyor of the bad news for progressives, she's certainly not the culprit. The House of Representatives passed the provision in its November bill, but it was removed from the Senate version at the last minute.
"It did not prevail," she said, while reaffirming her strong personal support for it. "What we will have in reconciliation will be something that is agreed upon, House and Senate."
http://rawstory.com/2010/03/pelosi-public-option-dead/
#47
@ulTRAX, how do you feel about instant run off voting?
#48
Zero G.,
LOL! I actually think that Jesse is QUITE predictable. He's a combination of pragmatism mixed with the willingness to look at controversy along with a touch of thin skin thrown in!
#49
When I hear the whole song' What a Wonderful World, my eyes moisten rather quickly. Great song.....good choice........thank you for that.
#50
moonbat666,
Re: When I hear the whole song’ What a Wonderful World, my eyes moisten rather quickly. Great song…..good choice……..thank you for that.
Thom says that was his dad's favorite song.
I love it, too, though it always reminds me of the last scene in the original "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy." LOL
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