Daily Topics - Wednesday - March 17th 2010

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Hour One - Were we and the Bush Administration no different than the contestants turned torturers in the French tv experiment?

Hour TwoDan Gainor www.businessandmedia.org Health Care Sequel...The Empire Strikes Back

Hour Three - When does assisted suicide cross the line and turn into murder? John West author of THE LAST GOODNIGHTS: Assisting My Parents with Their Suicides, a memoir of love, courage, and honor http://thelastgoodnights.net

Plus Dr. Arthur Caplan director of the Center for Bioethics www.springerpub.com When does assisted suicide cross the line and turn into murder?

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Nels (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#1

Happy St. Patrick's Day everybody

xeyeldinTX (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#2

Erin Go Braugh

Mark K (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#3

Thom’s complaint that the new Texas curriculum standards leaves out Thomas Jefferson and refers to the country as a “constitutional republic” was just the tip of the Texas-size iceberg. The input and imprint of the “Christian” and “ultra” conservative bloc—inside and outside the Texas State Board of Education deliberations room—was evident everywhere. While some educators have had the gonads to note that the English and science curriculum are now infected with right-wing politics, it was the social studies portion that has created the greatest controversy. The hostile environment was such that Democrats—outnumbered 10-5—simply walked out of those proceedings at one point. It wasn’t just “enlightened” ideas that were nixed, or the “Christian ethic” emphasized, but a wholesale removal of references to non-Caucasians. So-called multicultural figures—a euphemism for minorities—were apparently deemed “un-American.” Efforts to include even one Hispanic of historical note by name were ignored (including Cesar Chavez, despite the pleading of one elderly man during a public hearing), and the expulsion of major civil rights figures was another “victory” for conservative extremists seeking to whitewash history.

One of the few “victories” the Democrats on the board scored was embarrassing enough Republicans to vote against a transparently racist attack against the civil rights movement, declaring that it promoted an "unrealistic expectations for equal outcomes." Nevertheless, students armed with the new texts will no longer be required to discuss the effects of institutional racism in this country. One right-wing board member had complained that the current standards falsely suggested that it was often people from racial, ethnic, and religious groups who promoted the extension of political rights in America. “Only majorities can expand political rights in America’s constitutional society,” he fulminated. In other words, minorities can march against discrimination all they want, but only the white majority has the “right” to recognize their complaints and act on them, if they so choose. We have seen this concept in action in California and Washington, both “blue states” that passed anti-affirmative action referendums.

The new Texas history curriculum also attempts wholesale revisionism to resuscitate the images of formerly discredited right-wing figures like Joe McCarthy, and justifying the indiscriminate use of blacklisting. This is all just a part of the right’s attempt to rewrite and control history. The right has often been portrayed as the part of the ideological spectrum that has promoted race hatred, intolerance and jingoism—and rightly so; now is their chance to “correct” this “imbalance” by polluting young minds with those ideas in the guise of “learning.” It is as if modern day Nazis tried to rewrite history to put themselves back on the “right” side. The right has often and loudly complained that government and ideology has no place in school books; but since the state and not school districts purchase school texts, the curriculum is clearly tailored to appease the right-wing element that has controlled the state for decades. That element includes unapologetic creationists like Texas school board chair Don McElroy and board member Cynthia Dunbar, the latter who stated that “The philosophy of the classroom in one generation will be the philosophy of the government in the next."

Interestingly, the right-wing element supported the inclusion of Margaret Sanger in the text; Sanger is usually hailed as a feminist hero for her “pioneering” work on birth-control. The reason why she was being promoted by the extremists on the board’s right is the same reason why I think she is no “hero”: she is to be included because she “and her followers promoted eugenics,” according to McElroy. It is a fact that Sanger regarded minorities and the poor as “inferior,” and the thrust of her work was to control the population of these “inferior” people.

The curriculum board has thus not only infected the process with extreme politics, but with extreme arrogance—and ignorance. One right-wing board member stated that she was a proud Texan, and thought that Texas was superior to all other states, and Texas A&M professor James Kracht has stated unapologetically, “Texas governs 46 or 47 states.” Thus tens of millions of students will be taught that global warming should not only be questioned, but they will be prodded to inquire into the “implications” of being led astray by scientists. Whatever happens is “God’s will,” and there is no point in doing anything about it—or vote for Republicans so they can do nothing for you. Many people decry the state of education today; the pompous Texas education board has if anything made it worse, by undercutting critical thinking and recognition of vital issues at every turn. Education is supposed to expand the mind, not contract it.

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#4

Geeky science,

Thom, yesterday you referenced the Watson-Crick experiment, I believe you meant the Miller-Urey experiment. http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiolodgy/miller.html

Taking nothing away from Messers. Watson and Crick, who first showed the double helix structure of DNA.

Mena Sprague (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#5

No Thom, I think you had it right the first time, Dan Gainor is Darth Vader. Cheers.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#6

Thom!

We are trying to pass the Hartmann Medicare Part E.

Please give out these two instructions!

1. Call your member of Congress now, and ask him or her to cosponsor HR 4789, the Public Option Act.

Call the switchboard: (202) 224-3121

2. After you call, please let me know how it went at WeWantMedicare.com.

I need to know if your Representative is with us or against us. Tell me how it goes.

This is the week to act. We are likely to vote on a healthcare bill without a public option. We should get a vote on the Public Option Act as well. The four-page bill opens Medicare to all. It's that simple.

72 hours. 66 cosponsors in the House. 21,254 citizen cosponsors at

The Public Option Act. It's simple. It's popular. 82% of Scott Brown voters favor it. It lets anyone buy into Medicare at cost. You want it, you pay for it, and you're in.

Courage,

Alan

Nels (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#7

So what was the reason given for shocking these subjects on the show anyway? We're they supposed to be known criminals, low-life scum... Bush Administration officials?

margaret m walsh (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#8

MEDICARE for ALL is a JOBS BILL --
MEDICARE for ALL is an ECONOMIC STIMULUS BILL --

imagine the liberty of employers recruiting great workers --
freed of the need to secure them a lifetime of healthcare benefits --
and the great workers free to choose their employer --

those employees are also freed to hire --
their emplyees freed to hire --
etc

thank-you for your consideration --
GRATEFULLY EVERYTHING CHANGES --
with so many options -- MM

lore (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#9

Hi Thom,
The TV Show you just talked about was almost the same as an experiment that was done, if memory serves, at Wayne State University some decades ago. It differs in that there was no audience and an 'authority figure' came in and asked the giver of the electric shock to continue.
the results of that experiment found that people in the USA were more likley to blindly follow authority and do what the Nazi's had done.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#10

woops- I left this off, the name of the bill is HR 4789, the Public Option Act.

So to summarize
1. Call Congress and ask them to co-sponsor HR 4789, the Public Option Act
2. post results at WeWantMedicare.com

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#11

Yoo Besmirches Legacy of Jefferson
by Ray McGovern

Initially I was shocked at the thought of the University of Virginia welcoming former Justice Department lawyer John Yoo to the "Academical Village" founded by Thomas Jefferson.

There was something very wrong about that picture. Was it not Mr. Jefferson who condemned tyrannical acts-including ones that fell far short of waterboarding-in the Declaration of Independence?

But I have come around to the view that Yoo's visit on Friday could present a rich teaching moment for those of us Virginians who believe passionately in the highest ideals that Mr. Jefferson articulated so eloquently.

Yoo's visit presents a unique opportunity for my own children - four of them UVA alumni - to convey the essence of The University to those of our eight grandchildren who already aspire to study there.

A teaching moment like this does require us to look through the eyes and the spectacles of Mr. Jefferson and our country's other gutsy Founders who pledged to each other "our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor" to rid tyranny from America's shores. We tend to forget that the outcome of that brazen battle for liberty was far from assured when that vow was attached as the closing line of the Declaration of Independence in July 1776.
more: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/16

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#12

Thom, please stop saying unnecessary wars, say illegal wars. More from Ray McGovern, 27 year CIA analyst:

Under Yoo's theories, "wartime president" Bush could do whatever he wanted, even if that meant ignoring Congress, the United Nations Charter, and the post-World War II Nuremberg Tribunal. Bush simply could brush aside prohibitions against aggressive war as he did by invading Iraq.

At Nuremberg, chief U.S. prosecutor, Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, called a war of aggression "not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."

Nuremberg prosecutors also didn't let off Nazi lawyers who gave Adolf Hitler "legal advice" on how he could violate international law. The Nazi lawyers, too, were prosecuted at Nuremberg, and many served long prison sentences.

And Justice Jackson could not have been more explicit in insisting that the Nuremberg standard must apply equally to all.

War crimes, he said, are "crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us."
more: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/16

Mark K (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#13

I have a DVD of a German film called "The Experiment" which also examined how peer pressure, stress and a lack of self-esteem turned otherwise "civilized" people into torturers or even killers in a prisoner/guard dynamic. "Lord of the Flies" is also another good portrait of how people act outside civilized norms. Or a typical American Western will do.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#14

@KMH: reHR4789: My rep., bozo neo-con Mike McCaul is quoted as saying "nothing" can make me vote for the current health care bill.

glenn n (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#15

Yes, we as Americans are complicit in waterboarding, torture, killing of prisoners and civilians and illegal pre-emptive war.

Unless we lock up Bush and Cheney, we are condoning their immoral behavior.

And sadly, terrorists see us as enablers, and that may be why they feel justified in killing United States civilians, thinking "They are all just like Bush anyway."

Cheryl Kasson (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#16

The experiment on obedience to authority you might have been thinking of was conducted by Stanley Milgram at Yale University. In fact, this website on the new French television show refers to the famous Milgram experiment:

http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-03-17/mock-show-recreates-sadistic.html

Quark (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#17

harry ashburn and KMH,

My rep. is cut out of the same dough!

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#18

re: bumper stickers: how about this one? "Rush Limbaugh...Simple answers for simple minds."

"I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me…" -- Monica Lewinsky

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#19

We were told we were voting for change, we got continued and expanded war, a continuation of the Gates pentagon, a continuation of the Bernanke (Capt. Hazeltine) Fed, continued bail-outs of the banksters etc. The drug war goes on apace with tragic consequences south of the border and for the largest prison population on the planet.

We are challenging a national security state. The media is co-opted in service of that state. Even Thom bemoans Hugo Chavez who has had to defend against a US supported coup attempt.

The Op-Ed Assassination of Hugo Chávez
Commentary on Venezuela parrots U.S. propaganda themes
By Justin Delacour http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2796

I has happened here.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#20

Is Barbara Marks Hubbard related to L Ron Hubbard?

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#21

or mother hubbard?

lore (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#22

@Cheryl - thanks for the link! I remember hearing it on NPR but thought it was local info!

@Harry - lmao!

So, does the mean Fox is the 'good german' attitude station?

Mark K (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#23

I read a book entitled "The Germans and the Final Solution: Public Opinion under the Nazis," which discussed what the average Germans knew or supported in regard to the deportations and ultimate disposition of the Jews. Although blaming the Jews for everything would lose its potency (how can you blame the Jews when there are no Jews left?), most Germans were willing to swallow enough of the propaganda to justify what they actually saw. What they didn't see, they took an out-of-sight-out-of-mind approach; they pretended that the worst wasn't happening. But Germans on the home front couldn't help but have at least an inkling of the killings that were going on in the East; German soldiers not only knew what was going on (including the activities of the Einsatzgruppen death squads)--and even personally participated in them--but they communicated this in letters home and when on leave.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#24

@harry and @Quark- Wow - what a drag. We have cool Barbara Boxer here. She is going to SMASH Carly Fiorina.

My only other comment to you, is call these neo-cons and play with them like a cat plays with a mouse. You should have heard what I did to Stupak's staffer last week! lol-

I began very calmly. I would like to know why it is okay with the Senator to kill 45,000 Americans each year by blocking their access to a Dr. while wanting to throw women in jail for not making sure every zygote is delivered to his satisfaction, or in other words, why deliver the baby only to have it starve to death in today's cruel world.

Up and up it escalated until I pulled a Jim Ward's Crazy 'Let Me Finish Routine'. He was so ratttled he called me back twice!

I told him I was sending money to the opponent challenging him in the next primary - Connie Saltonstall (D-Mich).

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/86159-stupak-faces-pri...

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#25

Absent 9/11, we would not be fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. Absent 9/11 the world would not have forever changed, or so we have been told.

"Ultimate Sacrifice" details how the coup plan in Cuba was co-opted by the Mafia with support by some in the know in the CIA to kill JFK with the resultant need for the establishment to cover up the truth.

What is behind the lack of forensic examination of 9/11?

Lois in Belchertown, Ma. (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#26

Thom, It was Noam Chomsky who wrote "Manufacturing Consent" in collaboration with Edward S. Herman. At least, I'm 90% sure.
What a shame many Americans are not familiar with his valuable wisdom.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#27

@lore: Ive heard of Imho, but not Imao. please translate. thanx

KMH (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#28

Kucinich held out for Erisa - dont know much more, 'Left News' or something like that name, twittered an article from Fire Dog Lake I think that said Kucinich was holding out for some 800 lb gorilla in the room that was about States having the right to start single payer. Sure wish I could find that article for you-- am at work and need to get work done!

lore (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#29

L not I - lmao was all in small letters. Laughing my ass off! :D
imho - in my humble opinion --- is a shortfall of my character. I am not nearly humble enough!

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#30

@Zero G: re 911: I think if 911 hadn't happened, something else would have. Its the pipelines. To build and protect pipelines, you have to control all the countries it runs thru. Draw a line from the easter Caucasus to the nearest seaports, that's what needs to be controlled.

Nels (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#31

Is it just me, or does Gainors' argument boil down to the "Do what I say, or the boogieman will get you"?

His reasoning just doesn't make any sense, or supported by good data (supported by manipulated and bad data, sure).

KMH (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#32

Love it! Darth Gainor!

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#33

@lore. ok, thanx.

"After Sting dies, will they call him "Stung"? - harry ashburn

KMH (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#34

@Nels- you have just encapsulated everything there is to know about the other side of the aisle- and that is why....I say...the magic phrase is "I give you permission to (fill in the blank with good New Age things] -- i.e. [ to love your fellow brethen] ."

Mena Sprague (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#35

Please "bully Dave" and let him buy into Medicare. United Health Care refused to pay for Dave' s colonoscopy after saying they would, $3,000.00 we paid, UHC said they would pay for cortizone shot, they paid doctor $500.00 and hospital $15.00 we paid $496.00, UPH pays $7,500 for hip replacement that usually costs around $100,000 including PT, meds etc, we went to Belgium and paid 20% and UHC paid nothing, Dave had an x-ray to make sure he was still a candidate for hip resurfacing UHC paid $62.00 of a $500.00 bill. If we had the money we paid in premiums, it would have paid for all. We just threw that money away. In anger we canceled his insurance and am praying Dave doesn't need medical care until June 22 when he turns 65. Again I say PLEASE BULLY DAVE.

Boris31 (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#36

So Karl Rove last week started his book of lies tour for "Courage & Consequence" and the major networks allowed him to go pretty much unchallenged. The interviews could hardly be seen as "a get" because A. (Rove is a regular on air FOX commentator), and B. (of course would obfuscate to the point of being dishonest).
On the various appearances he repeated a few themes, the most egregious were comparing Bush's desire of privatization of Social Security to Obama's HC bill. If Bush's plan had gone through then American society would have been wiped out in Sept. 2008 and every senior would have been in a bread line. The other was that major Democrats agreed with Bush on the issue of WMD's, which on the face is absurd because the President would always have more current & detailed information.

Mark K (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#37

Back in December, Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute said that if the health care bill passes, “Anyone who thinks they’ll be able to repeal ObamaCare is kidding themselves. If they want to stop it, they need to stop it now.” That is because unless the Republicans and their blue dog allies win a veto-proof majority in 2011, they will not be able to repeal health care reform until at least 2013. They have to defeat the bill now, or the public might get around of supporting it in the meantime. Once the bill is passed, expect the right to try to destroy it through the courts.

lore (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#38

@Lois - I first heard of Noam Chomsky on Canadian TV. He was side lined by the same Republican/Right Wing propaganda that declared Howard Zinn anti-American.

ERISA laws - holding insurance companies accountable to policies/contracts - does not cover interest, court costs, or additional harm from refusal to treat.
I.E. If you die because the insurance company refused to pay for treatment, and you did not get it, there is no cost to the insurance company. Some state give protections to specific companies to prohibit lawsuits. Therefore, by using this privilege a company can deny the ability to go to court. That is why 'crossing' state lines is so important to the corporatists.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#39

@Mark- maybe this is why Kucinich was so strong on ERISA - we will have to ask Bernie Friday what the status of ERISA is.

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#40

@harry,

I'm not ignorant of the pipelines, though that misses the point, and these long years later the pipelines are no closer to fruition. The point I'm trying to propose is that until we realize that we are up against a national security state, we are not living in a functioning democracy. We cannot pretend that simply trying to bend the political parties will ever effect change.

The intelligence agencies recruit, and have always recruited, from the Wall St. elite. The media is in their service.

I'm not trying to be cynical. I'm trying to define a problem, because if you cannot define it, you cannot confront it.

I knew that Thom was refering to the Miller-Urey experiment yesterday, because I tried to repeat it as a senior in high school. It won me an honorable mention in the Queens Co. NY science fair. Yet, I get called brain-dead by mainstream media for questioning the official 9/11 story.

Have you heard that over 1000 architects and building engineers are calling for a real examination of the 9/11 evidence. Jesse Ventura's article about 9/11 got censured by the Huffington Post, and when Thom had him on, the subject didn't come up.

Bluenative (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#41

It is more than timely to initiate conversation with your local school district to counteract the misplaced efforts of Texas textbook tyrants. Many districts are seriously considering the high costs of textbooks, and need parents and others to call and encourage them to use more innovative, and creative methods of teaching and learning. I.E, the world is a classroom, experiential learning though place-based or project-based education and use of relevant books, including Thom's.

mstaggerlee (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#42

@Boris31 - I particularly liked Bill Maher's take on Rove's book ...

"Courage & Consequence" - y'know, kinda like "Pride and Prejudice", only with a lot more prejudice. :)

Boris31 (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#43

On today's show Thom said he could see both sides to Dennis Kucinich's decision, that's a viewpoint you'd never hear from a right-wing radio host.

KMH (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#44

Messaging: rather than say 'government' could we use this phrase instead? WE THE PEOPLE

Mark K (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#45

I hope that the designers of the health care bill took into consideration how the ERISA law might play out in the courts, since that law doesn't require businesses to offer health care benefits, and the bill seems to at least "encourage" businesses who don't to offer health care benefits. The law doesn't apply to individually-purchased insurance, so the currently uninsured who are supposed to benefit from the insurance exchange or tax credits shouldn't be effected by it.

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#46

From: Why I'm Voting 'Yes'
by Dennis Kucinich
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/17-9

[...]

In the past week it has become clear that the vote on the final health care bill will be very close. I take this vote with the utmost seriousness. I am quite aware of the historic fight that has lasted the better part of the last century to bring America in line with other modern democracies in providing single payer health care. I have seen the political pressure and the financial pressure being asserted to prevent a minimal recognition of this right, even within the context of a system dominated by private insurance companies.

I know I have to make a decision, not on the bill as I would like to see it, but the bill as it is. My criticisms of the legislation have been well reported. I do not retract them. I incorporate them in this statement. They still stand as legitimate and cautionary. I still have doubts about the bill. I do not think it is a first step toward anything I have supported in the past. This is not the bill I wanted to support, even as I continue efforts until the last minute to modify the bill.

However after careful discussions with the President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, Elizabeth my wife and close friends, I have decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation. If my vote is to be counted, let it now count for passage of the bill, hopefully in the direction of comprehensive health care reform. We must include coverage for those excluded from this bill. We must free the states. We must have control over private insurance companies and the cost their very existence imposes on American families. We must strive to provide a significant place for alternative and complementary medicine, religious health science practice, and the personal responsibility aspects of health care which include diet, nutrition, and exercise.

The health care debate has been severely hampered by fear, myths, and by hyper-partisanship. The President clearly does not advocate socialism or a government takeover of health care. The fear that this legislation has engendered has deep roots, not in foreign ideology but in a lack of confidence, a timidity, mistrust and fear which post 911 America has been unable to shake.

This fear has so infected our politics, our economics and our international relations that as a nation we are losing sight of the expanded vision, the electrifying potential we caught a glimpse of with the election of Barack Obama. The transformational potential of his presidency, and of ourselves, can still be courageously summoned in ways that will reconnect America to our hopes for expanded opportunities for jobs, housing, education, peace, and yes, health care.

I want to thank those who have supported me personally and politically as I have struggled with this decision. I ask for your continued support in our ongoing efforts to bring about meaningful change. As this bill passes I will renew my efforts to help those state organizations which are aimed at stirring a single payer movement which eliminates the predatory role of private insurers who make money not providing health care. I have taken a detour through supporting this bill, but I know the destination I will continue to lead, for as long as it takes, whatever it takes to an America where health care will be firmly established as a civil right.

Nels (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#47

Health care reform debate should be more about: is the government going to get stricter on the quality of the American Food Supply, provide funds to schools to improve physical education programs, funding for research for alternative medicines and medical practices, etc... In other words we're debating if we should provide health care, but we haven't even begun debating what we can do to improve health care. To me it's a shame that we're still stuck arguing for the bare necessities because of the gross incompetence, and obstructionism produced by the Health insurance lobbyists and their political collaborators.

harry ashburn (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#48

@Zero G: I hear you er..I read you. Granted there's a lot of smoke with 911 (pun intended). My personal belief is that the govt probably was involved, at least passively, but at the same time I can believe they were that incompetent. whether there were explosives set in the towers..meh...maybe.

Jon in Md (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#49

Re susceptibility of people to authoritarian leaders in Yale experiments and French talk show where people were willing to shock someone:
Stability of one's living standard makes people more willing to 'stick their neck out' and dispute or challenge or oppose a group. If one won't lose their job (source of income if self employed), housing, access to financial aid with medical bills, food and are comfortable (stable middle class) then people feel more comfortable to challenge authority. E.g. why general strikes work in France, Greece and other European countries but not in USA is because people won't 'lose everything' if they 'take to the streets.'

Zero G. (not verified) 10 years 21 weeks ago
#50

Loud sex enough for cops to search your home, court rules
By Daniel Tencer
Tuesday, March 16th, 2010
http://rawstory.com/2010/03/loud-sex-cops-search-home/

What Fourth Amendment?

America's Chief Grifter Strikes Again

Thom plus logo Trump says he is going to boost unemployment payments by $400, stop evictions, cut payroll taxes, and extend student loan relief.

In fact, these are all lies. As usual, it's a new con job, a grift from our grifter-in-chief.
From The Thom Hartmann Reader:
"With the ever-growing influence of corporate CEOs and their right-wing allies in all aspects of American life, Hartmann’s work is more relevant than ever. Throughout his career, Hartmann has spoken compellingly about the value of people-centered democracy and the challenges that millions of ordinary Americans face today as a result of a dogma dedicated to putting profit above all else. This collection is a rousing call for Americans to work together and put people first again."
Richard Trumka, President, AFL-CIO
From Cracking the Code:
"No one communicates more thoughtfully or effectively on the radio airwaves than Thom Hartmann. He gets inside the arguments and helps people to think them through—to understand how to respond when they’re talking about public issues with coworkers, neighbors, and friends. This book explores some of the key perspectives behind his approach, teaching us not just how to find the facts, but to talk about what they mean in a way that people will hear."
Paul Loeb, author of Soul of a Citizen
From The Thom Hartmann Reader:
"Thom Hartmann seeks out interesting subjects from such disparate outposts of curiosity that you have to wonder whether or not he uncovered them or they selected him."
Leonardo DiCaprio, actor, producer, and environmental activist