Daily Topics - Thursday April 29th 2010

Hour One - Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, Pima County, AZ www.pimasheriff.org Arizona Immigration law...do AZ police consider this law sound or stupid?

Plus....It's 2010...do you know where your birth certificate is?

Hour Two - Matthew J. Brouillette
www.commonwealthfoundation.org When did shooting guns become an appropriate form of political speech?!

Plus...Geeky Science- Dr. Janette Sherman
www.nyas.org Chernobyl 24 years later - what you didn't know and why you need to know

Hour Three - S.E. Cupp
author, "LOSING OUR RELIGION: The Liberal Media’s Attack on Christianity" www.redsecupp.com When did it become the job of the press to promote Christianity?


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Zero G 13 years 4 weeks ago

I'm back...Thanks Nigel!

This was posted yesterday after the show ended, such that it went unnoticed, and thus unresponded to. Since we cannot allow ignorance to fester without making at least an effort to end the same, let me repost, add my commentary and open the floor to the rest of us. Let's see if Mr, Signalmanarizona comes back:

The law in arizona has yet to take effect.This state is being over run with illegal aliens and something had to be done. The federal government has not taken action and that includes both reps and dems.There are many legal ways for people to become citizens all they have to do is follow the law.Maybe the President of Mexico should concentrate on fixing his country and stop worring about the state of Arizona is doing.Then he might be able to find jobs for all his citizenery if Mexico was such a great place to live may they would not want to cross a dangerous desert in the 100 degree heat.Secure the border and then we can talk about what happens next.

Mr. Signalmanarizona, you claim that there are many legal ways for people to become US citizens, do you have any idea of the hoops that must be jumped through and the waiting times involved, especially for people from South of the Border without the educational skills that we grant visas for? You seem to feel that the Mexican President could provide jobs for his citizenry (and I have plenty of criticism for the Mexican government) yet you don't reference the dumping of GMO corn and other crops by the US into Mexico destroying their local agriculture. Nor do you reference US trade policies in general, which propped up maquiladoras along the border, only to have those jobs shipped off to Asia, leaving many poor Mexicans near the US border without any means of support. You do not mention the US providing half a Billion Dollars in military aid, in support of the US failed War on Drugs, which has killed over 10,000 just since Mr. Calderon has taken power.

Before NAFTA, many Mexicans were able to live on subsistance farming without jobs. It is the process of Globalization which is destroying the means of Indigenous peoples everywhere to live simply such that others may simply live. It is our gluttonous lifestyle which is destroying the very Earth we depend on.

Ya'll come back now, ya hear...

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Zero G 13 years 4 weeks ago

As I've been concerned with the intersection of democracy and the national security state, the apparent contradiction therein, and my thesis that one precludes the other - they cannot mutually exist meaningfully, I point here to this:

New York Times Reporter Risen Subpoenaed Over Book

April 29, 2010 9:18 am ET by Joe Strupp

James Risen, a New York Times reporter and author of a 2006 book about the CIA, has been subpoenaed by the Justice Department to testify about the confidential sources used in his book, according to the Times.

"The author, James Risen ... received a subpoena on Monday requiring him to provide documents and to testify May 4 before a grand jury in Alexandria, Va., about his sources for a chapter of his book,' State of War: The Secret History of the C.I.A. and the Bush Administration,'" the Times reported today. "The chapter largely focuses on problems with a covert C.I.A. effort to disrupt alleged Iranian nuclear weapons research."

Risen referred questions to his lawyer, Joel Kurtzberg, who told the Times that Risen would not comply and would seek to quash the subpoena.

"He intends to honor his commitment of confidentiality to his source or sources," Kurtzberg said in the story. "We intend to fight this subpoena."

The Black Budgets of the intelligence community in the US are unconstitutional. The US Constitution has in many ways been null and void since 1947, and arguably previous to that. We have seen the importation of the Gehlen Organization into the US CIA after the Second World War, (Operation Paperclip)

Adolf Eichmann was executed in 1961, so why has the BND just announced they are keeping his files secret for another 50 years?

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RandyWinn 13 years 4 weeks ago

I just realized: I could be an illegal alien!

My mom's Canadian, and my dad's birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii!

harry ashburn 13 years 4 weeks ago

@Randy, was your father born before 1960? if so...may i see your papers, please?

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Quark 13 years 4 weeks ago

Bravo, Zero G!

In this world, "money" looks out for "money." God bless the child that's got his own, so the song goes...


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Zero G 13 years 4 weeks ago

Randy if you were "Born in the USA" you're legally safe...but beware, de facto and de jure are two separate animals, especially in AZ.

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Maxrot 13 years 4 weeks ago

Robert S. That post musta' been posted pretty late yesterday, I don't remember seeing it, and I was here a few hours after the show ended. Tis a pity this blog goes almost completely dead after Thom signs off. :-(

Anyway, interesting post, I find the concept of citizens of AZ being upset that illegals are overrunning the land taken from Mexico, is sort of karma.

I'm tired of the hypocrisy practiced by America, we claim to be a great melting pot, then there is a major push to resist immigration. We claim to have free speech, then create caged free speech zones. We claim to have democratic elections, then have a President appointed by either an Electoral College or Supreme Court. I suppose the list can be greatly expanded, but I think I made the point I wanted to, being a hypocrite and an American isn't mutually exclusive. The world doesn't hate our freedom, they hate our hypocrisy, and I think the majority of American progressives hate it too.

This fellow's comment you posted is just so blatant in its bass-ackwardness it just raises my ire more than anything else. How do you reason with this kind of mental blockhead?


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Maxrot 13 years 4 weeks ago

So, can anyone tell me if I can go to AZ and make citizens arrests of people I think are suspicious and incapable of producing documentation to my satisfaction?

(Do you see where I'm going with this?)


harry ashburn 13 years 4 weeks ago

@Maxrot: if you do, can you save me a good looking young woman?

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gerald 13 years 4 weeks ago

Thom Hartmann

The Loveboat with Louise and Higgins

Portland, Oregon

Dear Mr. Hartmann,

As you know, I have serious health issues. These health issues have put my life in a on-going tenuous situation. For some reason God has not called me in final judgment. I believe the reason may be He knows I await your open words that say our nation has no future. I sense every so often that you do want to admit our nation does not have a future.

Our demonic government has ninety percent of Americans living in an endless boom, bubble and burst economy that enslaves Americans off the crumbs of the rich and of the American corporations.

The time has come for you to cut the umbilical cord that will set you and the rest of Americans free from any doubt of any kind that our nation has a future. Thom, please cut the umbilical cord and set us free.

Thom, you have grave responsibilities as the number one progressive radio talk show in America to inform Americans of the truth and the truth is that the United States of Hell has no future of any kind.

Sincerely, Gerald, aka a Jesus liberal, a pacifist, and a progressive

P.S. Jesus’ health care plan does not drop any of His children from health care who have a pre-existing health condition.

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Zero G 13 years 4 weeks ago

How do you reason with this kind of mental blockhead? - Nels

Er, eh....I don't really try to. I tend to use multisyllabic words that set their heads spinning. You've caught me out.

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Maxrot 13 years 4 weeks ago

damnit harry, you keep your filthy liberal hands off of the women I capture, especially the good looking ones! Dag nab it, their mine, mine, mine! ;-)


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speedbird9 13 years 4 weeks ago

I can tell you here - I have no idea where my first original birth certificate is. I asked my parents (who are divorced) if I could get mine so I could get a passport. They had no idea what happened to mine. I had to go to the State California Department of Public Health to get a duplicate. It was good enough to get a passport, but I guess the birthers' still wouldn't accept it.

harry ashburn 13 years 4 weeks ago

@Maxrot, give you a nickel...?

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gerald 13 years 4 weeks ago

Thom, when both my parents passed away, we were looking through their possessions and I came up with my original bith certificate. My parents saved many documents. We now have the birth certificate in a safety deposit box.

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Zero G 13 years 4 weeks ago

@Harry and Nels:

What's up with these bondage fantasies? I thought that was a Michael Steele GOPher meme...

harry ashburn 13 years 4 weeks ago

My birth certificate: i don't have mine yet, I'm "pre-born'.

harry ashburn 13 years 4 weeks ago

@Zero G: who's talkin' bondage? You dont have to bind them if theyre in a jail cell...

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RandyWinn 13 years 4 weeks ago

Hey Zero_G - I "think" I was born in the USA but how can I prove it? I was just a baby ...

More to the point, if I carry my birth certificate around in my wallet, after about 20 years it's not gonna look like anything except a worn-out scrap of paper. We need Kevlar birth certificates!!!

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gerald 13 years 4 weeks ago

What is good for the goose is for the gander. Law officials pull aside every American regardless of ethnic group, religion, and color.

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RandyWinn 13 years 4 weeks ago

@gerald - when the Aryanzona cops ask you for your papers, maybe they'll let you go get your safety deposit box ;-)

Seriously - what are we looking at now - some sort of system of internal passports like in the USSR?

Or can we just wear a symbol on our clothing to symbolize our status?


EDITTED: "What's Good For The Goosesteppers Is Good For The .... uhm ... well, nobody"

harry ashburn 13 years 4 weeks ago

@Gerald: but ya gotta have special window stickers for the rich to leave them alone, or it won''t pass.

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gerald 13 years 4 weeks ago

I call the picture above my name, The Pick, for picking my nose.

harumman 13 years 4 weeks ago

I do have my original.

Tim in Tennessee, I do have my original BC but it is so faded that I also got a new one from the state of Ohio. It looks totally different from the original but says it is a legal copy. Last time I used it was a year or 2 ago when I got a passport. They accepted the faded one. I guess it was readable enough to accept.

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rladlof 13 years 4 weeks ago

Now for something completely off track:


Anna Jarvis was born in the tiny town of Webster in Taylor County, West Virginia. She was the daughter of Ann Maria Reeves Jarvis. The family moved to nearby Grafton, West Virginia in her childhood. She graduated from what is now Mary Baldwin College in 1883.

On May 12, 1907, two years after her mother's death, she held a memorial to her mother and thereafter embarked upon a campaign to make "Mother's Day" a recognized holiday. She succeeded in making this nationally recognized in 1914. The International Mother's Day Shrine was established in Grafton to commemorate her accomplishment.[1]

By the 1920s, Anna Jarvis had become soured by the commercialization of the holiday. She incorporated herself as the Mother’s Day International Association, trademarked the phrases "second Sunday in May" and "Mother's Day", and was once arrested for disturbing the peace. She and her sister Ellsinore spent their family inheritance campaigning against the holiday. Both died in poverty. According to her New York Times obituary, Jarvis became embittered because too many people sent their mothers a printed greeting card. As she said,

A printed card means nothing except that you are too lazy to write to the woman who has done more for you than anyone in the world. And candy! You take a box to Mother—and then eat most of it yourself. A pretty sentiment.

—Anna Jarvis.[2]

Anna Marie Jarvis never married and had no children. She died in West Chester, Pennsylvania, and is buried in West Laurel Hill Cemetery, Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania.

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Jeanie 13 years 4 weeks ago

I just read that our Arizona legislators are on track with a bill to ban embryonic stem cell research here in Arizona. It just gets better and better here. I don't know why we left California.

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Zero G 13 years 4 weeks ago

Officials: Leaks Spewing More Oil Into Gulf

by Cain Burdeau

NEW ORLEANS - A massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is even worse than believed and as the government grows concerned that the rig's operator is ill-equipped to contain it, officials are offering a military response to try to avert a massive environmental disaster along the ecologically fragile U.S. coastline.

But time may be running out. Not only was a third leak discovered - which government officials said is spewing five times as much oil into the water than originally estimated - but it might be closer to shore than previously known, and could have oil washing up on shore by Friday. More.

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Maxrot 13 years 4 weeks ago

hmmm harry, offering money now... now I might be persuaded to....

Zero G. I'm quite certain Michael Steele is obviously an undercover Democratic operative. Have you followed any of his ecapades, any at all, he's doing far more damage from the inside than any of us on the outside. Besides, I wasn't really thinking bondage initially, I was just thinking it would be wonderful to sweep through AZ with hordes of progressives rounding up everyone that looke suspicously like a racist... er I mean illegal. Mr. Ashburn was the one who took it to the level of... well lets just say if the Church Lady was here, he'd get a tongue lashing he wouldn't soon forget.

I do miss the Church Lady she (or he) was hiliarious.


harry ashburn 13 years 4 weeks ago

I went to my county health dept to get my replacement birth certificate. First, they gave me one that had my middle name misspelled. then they gave me a different-looking version that had it spelled correctly. Go figure.

"Steals Clock, Faces Time" - headline from leftwingwacko.com

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RandyWinn 13 years 4 weeks ago

@Zero_G ... Florida GOP's adopting a new motto: "Spill Baby Spill!"

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gerald 13 years 4 weeks ago

@RandyWinn and harry ashburn, Arizona's immigration law is pure racism.

Thom is right the right wingers are already crazy because they have been certifiably crazy by noted psychiatrists who are unwilling to come forward. Psychiatrists cannot just make certain psychiatric assessments public.

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DRichards 13 years 4 weeks ago

Behind the Arizona Immigration Law:
GOP Game to Swipe the November Election

Our investigation in Arizona discovered the real intent of the show-me-your-papers law.

by Greg Palast for Truthout.org
April 26, 2010

[Phoenix, AZ.] Don't be fooled. The way the media plays the story, it was a wave of racist, anti-immigrant hysteria that moved Arizona Republicans to pass a sick little law, signed last week, requiring every person in the state to carry papers proving they are US citizens.

I don't buy it. Anti-Hispanic hysteria has always been as much a part of Arizona as the Saguaro cactus and excessive air-conditioning.

What's new here is not the politicians' fear of a xenophobic "Teabag" uprising.

What moved GOP Governor Jan Brewer to sign the Soviet-style show-me-your-papers law is the exploding number of legal Hispanics, US citizens all, who are daring to vote -- and daring to vote Democratic by more than two-to-one. Unless this demographic locomotive is halted, Arizona Republicans know their party will soon be electoral toast. Or, if you like, tortillas.

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RandyWinn 13 years 4 weeks ago

@harry_ashburn - funny thing about birth certificates .... if *I* were running an illegal immigrant smuggling operation, printing fake certificates would be easy. The only hard part is getting a seal embosser and that's not hard at all.

Here's one for Glenn Beck: http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/fd4668fba0bc80ae20df789277ad1b13.jpg

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Zero G 13 years 4 weeks ago

@rladlof On Mother's Day:Mother's Day Proclamation of 1870
Mother's Peace Day

The first person to fight for an official Mother's Day celebration in the United States was Julia Ward Howe.

Howe was born in New York City on May 27, 1819. Her family was well respected and wealthy. She was a published poet and abolitionist. She and her husband, Samuel Gridley Howe, co-published the anti-slavery newspaper The Commonwealth. She was active in the peace movement and the women's suffrage movement. In 1870 she penned the Mother's Day Proclamation. In 1872 the Mothers' Peace Day Observance on the second Sunday in June was held and the meetings continued for several years. Her idea was widely accepted, but she was never able to get the day recognized as an official holiday. The Mothers' Peace Day was the beginning of the Mothers' Day holiday in the United States now celebrated in May.

The modern commercialized celebration of gifts, flowers and candy bears little resemblance to Howe's original idea. Here is the Proclamation that explains, in her own powerful words, the goals of the original Mother's Day in the United States...

Arise then...women of this day!
Arise, all women who have hearts!
Whether your baptism be of water or of tears!
Say firmly:
"We will not have questions answered by irrelevant agencies,
Our husbands will not come to us, reeking with carnage,
For caresses and applause.
Our sons shall not be taken from us to unlearn
All that we have been able to teach them of charity, mercy and patience.
We, the women of one country,
Will be too tender of those of another country
To allow our sons to be trained to injure theirs."

From the bosum of a devastated Earth a voice goes up with
Our own. It says: "Disarm! Disarm!
The sword of murder is not the balance of justice."
Blood does not wipe our dishonor,
Nor violence indicate possession.
As men have often forsaken the plough and the anvil at the summons of war,
Let women now leave all that may be left of home
For a great and earnest day of counsel.
Let them meet first, as women, to bewail and commemorate the dead.
Let them solemnly take counsel with each other as to the means
Whereby the great human family can live in peace...
Each bearing after his own time the sacred impress, not of Caesar,
But of God -
In the name of womanhood and humanity, I earnestly ask
That a general congress of women without limit of nationality,
May be appointed and held at someplace deemed most convenient
And the earliest period consistent with its objects,
To promote the alliance of the different nationalities,
The amicable settlement of international questions,
The great and general interests of peace.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if on some distant Mother's Day, the wishes of Julia Ward Howe could be fulfilled and the human race could celebrate a day when, all over the world, no mother would have to mourn the death of her child lost in war or terrorist attacks...

To all of the mothers whose children are fighting in wars - and to mothers whose children are growing up with wars raging around them or with terrorism threatening their safety... Wishes of strength, peace and hope for this Mother's Day...

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ottomine 13 years 4 weeks ago

Dave has a duplicate from KY and I have the original from NE. Thanks to my Mom


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Gene Savory 13 years 4 weeks ago

My father was born at sea.

He was coming from France to the US in 1916 abord the SS Mauritania (sister ship to the Lusitania). The captain asked grandpa where he should be born, and grandpa said,"New York, of course."

Dad had some problems getting into the US Navy in WWII because of the birth certificate issued by a ship's captain.

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Maxrot 13 years 4 weeks ago

@Zero G, I read a similar article (perhaps the same). There is one silver lining to this accident, when the chorus of "Drill, Baby Drill" goes up, it can be countered "Spill, Baby Kill", or in other words, the expansion of oil drilling just got tougher for their side. Probably why I'm not catching much about it in the Lame stream Media, that just so fricken left wing.


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Maxrot 13 years 4 weeks ago

Gene, every see the movie the "Legend of 1900". Considering your dads' story, you'd probably get a kick out of it.


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gerald 13 years 4 weeks ago


I agree that Arizona's immigration law is also an attempt to keep whitey in the majority forever in the United States of Hell. The goose-stepping conservatives are frightened shitless with the thought that whitey is really a minority by 2020 but definitely by 2025 in the United States of Hell.

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Gene Savory 13 years 4 weeks ago

Haven't seen that one. I need to write a book about my family, but might be hard to convince anyone that it's non-fiction.

harry ashburn 13 years 4 weeks ago

@Gene that would be unsavory.

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Maxrot 13 years 4 weeks ago

@Gene, great movie if you like independent films and Tim Roth. I won't bother summarizing it, check it out on Google if you're interested.


harry ashburn 13 years 4 weeks ago

re; Tomball, Texas has a history of KKK activity.

"War Dims Hope For Peace" - headline from leftwingwacko.com

ps shooting guns as political protest; I see it all the time in celebration; dont remember it as protest.(unless you're shooting AT somebody.)

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zenzane 13 years 4 weeks ago

Hey friends, wake up! The Fourth Amendment is long gone, BEFORE George Bush was ever elected. Let me explain briefly. If you are driving down the street in your car, you, theorhetically, have the right to be left alone by the police, unless they have a reasonable suspicion that you have violoated the law in some way. Let's say you're speeding. Then the officer has the authority to pull you over. If you are obeying all the laws then a police officer has no business stopping you. The stop is called a "detention." Along comes the DUI check points. Suddenly, it's legal to stop [detain] citizens with out any legal cause to ask for their driver's license and determine if they have been drinking. Good bye Fourth Amendment. The tragedy is, they don't catch more drunk drivers this way. It takes a lot of officers to run one of these stupid check points and even the cases that have authorized this procedure have acknowledged that more drunk drivers would be apprehended if these officers were out patroling in individual vehicles. The case in California is: Ingersol v. Palmer, 43 Cal.3rd 1321, 1987. Note the date. That's when the Fourth Amendment went away and almost NO ONE noticed. Zane

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MugsysRapSheet 13 years 4 weeks ago

I used to live next to Tomball.

Wanna know what the people are like in that area? Here's a news story from neighboring Conroe:


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Maxrot 13 years 4 weeks ago

Thom, I think you could say these promoters that are shooting up cars, are employing subliminal messages.

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Zero G 13 years 4 weeks ago

Nobody has commented on the James Risen subpeana post...so I'll try again to pique some response...

...Remember when Judith Miller was imprisoned for protecting her sources? Let's, for a moment, compare and contrast the difference between Mr. Risen's attempt to inform the American Public about what the National Security State is up to, and Ms. Miller's attempt to fan the flames of conflict as regards Iraqi (non-existant) WMD. Such a comparison is necessary, no?

ps - I'd PROUDLY burn GWB in effigy, but I'd sooner just see him brought to the bar of justice.

harry ashburn 13 years 4 weeks ago

@Zane, sadly, you're right. i think we lost "probable cause' during nixons drug war.

"Some Pieces Of Rock Hudson Sold At Auction" - headline from leftwingwacko.com

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