Daily Topics - Thursday - May 13th 2010...Outsourcing. Dead Canadians? Night Reading? OH MY

Hour One - Why won't American companies lobby for better education for American workers instead of importing them? Matt Welch Editor in Chief, Reason Magazine www.reason.com

Hour Two - Where are all the dead Canadians and why does Big Pharma want more seniors to have to choose between dog food and pills? Peter Pitts www.drugwonks.com

Plus...Geeky Science..If you're reading at night...beware.....

Hour Three - How extensive is right wing and fossil fuel industry infiltration of the global warming debate? Brian Sussman www.theclimategatebook.com

Plus...Will our oceans survive? Stiv Wilson The 5 Gyres Project 5gyres.org

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mstaggerlee's picture
mstaggerlee 9 years 41 weeks ago
#1

Unfortunately, especially when senior citizens are involved, it seems like schools are the FIRST place we look to economize.

harry ashburn 9 years 41 weeks ago
#2

Well, lets' stop sending seniors to school!

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#3

Do I want the best Doctor or an American Doctor?? What the hell is Welch talking about? I prefer the best Doctor, not the cheapest Doctor available that can fill the position, and he's completely bypassing that point.

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Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 41 weeks ago
#4

Daily topics date is incorrect - Thursday May 13

Thom's picture
Thom 9 years 41 weeks ago
#5

Thanks - Gene...oops...

mstaggerlee's picture
mstaggerlee 9 years 41 weeks ago
#6

Picky,picky, Gene - at least we HAVE a page today!

mstaggerlee's picture
mstaggerlee 9 years 41 weeks ago
#7

Anyone else listening to the KTLK stream? I'm getting both a live and delayed feed, with about a 10 sec delay between. VERY disconcerting!

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#8

@mstaggerlee, yes we have a page today, will we have the bloggers though?

LeMoyne's picture
LeMoyne 9 years 41 weeks ago
#9

I am a degreed computer engineer that fell out of engineering when the internet bubble burst (2001). My refusal to work for the military has left precious few jobs available. I worked call center jobs till the economy collapsed, the work was outsourced and quit my last position because I just couldn't dun people for a megabank. That megabank did nothing for their customers for a year after huge bailouts (except what was required by law). I still have student loan debts. Re yesterday's program - lol - I am working temp jobs to get by and bidding small contracts to try to re-establish an engineering career.

Keep after it Thom - the subsistence economy is upon us.

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 41 weeks ago
#10

I should have my student loans paid off when I am in my grave. I have set up several businesses that have gone well, worked for a number of corporations....work work work until I am dead, hardly any social life....and every time there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel some a hole figures it out and blocks my stream of income.

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 41 weeks ago
#11

@Maxrot- they just love those false choices dont they? What next, foreigners to feed and diaper us?

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 41 weeks ago
#12

Not picky; a brief scan of the title would lead some to think it was not today's page.

Zero G's picture
Zero G 9 years 41 weeks ago
#13

Now it's a fortune to go to college. Not only that, increasingly the funding for academic research, and the very infrastructure of the institution itself, is coming from the same corporate sources that are decimating our economy.

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 41 weeks ago
#14

Did that guest seem like a job recruiter to you, or a Jack Welch in training? The same old story,,,,Americans are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves. ............What goes unreported is the corporate requirement to become dependent upon them. They pass laws and licensing requirements that make it impossible for us to wipe our own asses.

"Maa'm....sorry- Haliburton has a contract to wipe your ass...step away from the toilet paper."

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 41 weeks ago
#15

Hmmm ... don't foreigners already serve the ruling class by taking care of their food and cr4p?

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#16

I still can't understand how more and more wages are being drive down, yet the cost of living keeps going up, and pundits say our economy is gaining strength.

Am I missing something, are they lieing or buying their own propaganda? I don't care how many times someone tells me the sky is green and the oceans are green... facts are facts, the sky is blue (turning brown though) and the oceans are blue (turning black now).

How am I supposed to buy a 1/2 Million 3 bedroom house, support a family of 4 and earn a median wage?

How are you doing it?

N

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 41 weeks ago
#17

Right @Gene, us feisty Americans may be the last hold out- and even more so ...us pesky [progressives....we would drive the engine to unseat these demagouges.

pjsemail1's picture
pjsemail1 9 years 41 weeks ago
#18

What I don't understand is even giving egotistical idealogues like Bay Buchanan :-(, Wayne Root :-(, Matt Welch :-(, Peter Pitts :-( and Gainor a place to be heard. A kitchen table is a kitchen table, WHY talk to it, it's serves useful NO purpose, NONE.

harry ashburn 9 years 41 weeks ago
#19

@Maxrot: I did it by not having kids.

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 41 weeks ago
#20

You know the 'they're' doing- per The Captains and the Kings book - 'they' are culling us. They prune us like a landscaper or gardener.

harry ashburn 9 years 41 weeks ago
#21

'Course I'll have to pay a foreigner to wipe my ass when I get old.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#22

Our borders maintain a standard of living...

...for the top 2%.

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Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#23

@Foodfacist re: "Maa'm....sorry- Haliburton has a contract to wipe your ass...step away from the toilet paper."

Hope the blow out preventer fails on them for that one. ;-)

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mstaggerlee's picture
mstaggerlee 9 years 41 weeks ago
#24

Maxnels, re: I still can't understand how more and more wages are being drive down, yet the cost of living keeps going up, and pundits say our economy is gaining strength.

Simple ... as long as the Ultra-rich continue to get Ultra-richer, it doesn't matter to the GDP how many midle-class families are wiped out. This is just another example of the short-sightedness of our so-called "entrepreneur class" - they can't see past the next quarterly report. When they've wiped out enough of us, and there are too few of us left to buy all the crap they advertise on the TV, THEN, maybe, they'll come to their senses.

Of course, by then, it'll probably be too late to do anything about it.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 41 weeks ago
#25

More Adam Smith: http://www.econlib.org/library/Smith/smWN4.html#I.10.82

"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."

This is the only use of the word "conspiracy" in Wealth of Nations, but I rate the concept just as important as any in the book.

LeMoyne's picture
LeMoyne 9 years 41 weeks ago
#26

re: Maxrot @#16 I think they are counting all these big bank scams as economic activity so the economy appears to grow in total while the real economy and the middle class have been bled out by globalization and so-called tax cuts that actually raises the amount of taxes paid by workers.

Crickets on the cons line - lol

Zero G's picture
Zero G 9 years 41 weeks ago
#27

Obama Admin Urges Court to Reject Maher Arar Lawsuit

The Obama administration is urging the Supreme Court to reject an appeal from the Canadian citizen Maher Arar. In 2002, Arar was seized by US officials at Kennedy Airport in New York and rendered to Syria, where he was tortured, interrogated and detained in a tiny underground cell for nearly a year. He later sued the United States. In court papers filed Wednesday, the Obama administration said that lower courts were right to dismiss Arar’s lawsuit. - Democracy Now! Headline

We are on a permanent war economy, and we have been for all of my 52 years. Obama's looking forward, not backward, makes it impossible to change any sense of direction. Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine very well illustrates the role of military repression involved in forcing the Chicago Boy's policies down the throats of populations, from Allende's Chile to, well now look to Greece (not specifically mentioned in Klein's book, of course.)

If we don't look backward, if we don't acknowledge that we took down Mossedeq in Iran for British Petroleum, that we militarily supported United Fruit in South/Latin America, etc., etc., et al., we will never be able to deal with the primary causes of terrorism, we will be on a permanent war economy for the indefinite future and the shock doctrine will continue to manifest itself here at home.

mstaggerlee's picture
mstaggerlee 9 years 41 weeks ago
#28

Sorry, Thom - Albert Pujols is a freak of nature! There simply ISN'T an American-born player anywhere NEAR as good as he is!

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#29

@Zero G. re: Obama's looking forward, not backward, makes it impossible to change any sense of direction.

Someone needs to tell Obama about this wonderful device I have in my car, call rear view mirrors, he can continue looking forward and see what's behind him. I guess riding in limo's and planes all the time one kind of forgets these simple navigation aids.

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Zero G's picture
Zero G 9 years 41 weeks ago
#30

Nels,

Any good map shows where you've been as well as where you're going. Or otherwise said, I could chose a direction and an acceleration, but without knowing a starting point I would be clueless where I'm heading...

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 41 weeks ago
#31

As long as we have a system that rewards sociopaths and megalomaniacs, we will continue to see the self-destructive behavior in civilization.

Dr. Robert L. Park (physics) has used an exercise in his classes in which the students calculate the feasibility of migrating to another planet that would support humans. The answer is that there is no "Planet B."

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#32

@Zero G. (follow up on my last comment), kinda' strange that Obama can not only look back, but points to everyone who asks, "Well we inherited this economy from the last Administration".

Guess he can turn his neck when he want too. ;-(

Oh well, he's a politician, I guess I can't expect common sense, no matter how much I desire it.

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Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#33

@Zero G. I think Obama only looks at weather maps, he seems most concerned about which way the wind blows only.

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Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#34

@Zero G. Though I must say this, it is a minor comfort that I do have confidence in this Presidents' ability to read a map. Not that I want to name any names.... W.

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Zero G's picture
Zero G 9 years 41 weeks ago
#35
Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 41 weeks ago
#36

oohh Maxrot lol - nearly flagged your Halliburton blow out offensive :)

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 41 weeks ago
#37

@Zero G thx! Sounds like we could benefit by going to Icelandic Activist Boot Bankers Out Camp!

Go Thom- put that offensive on the corporations down on paper- that was brilliant- wish I could remember it...dam I could have put that down as a matter of fact...but now that memory bubble has passed.

crankyinmv 9 years 41 weeks ago
#38

I greatly enjoyed Thom's interview with Matt Welch of the poorly named Reason
Magazine and all the first hour. Thank you Thom, for your spirited defense of American workers.

Let me echo the sentiments of the first hour callers, and hopefully add a little
bit more.

H-1B is not a program to meet a national need. It is a program designed to
undercut American wages and replace American workers with indentured servants
(the indentured servitude results from the need for an employer to sponsor
these visas).

Nor does H-1B address a skills or education shortage. This is the one place
where Thom makes the wrong assumption. There are plenty of available (out of
work) educated skilled American IT workers - indeed I was one for recently
for 16 months. It's all about low wages.

(That's why I made this:
http://www.zazzle.com/no_h_1b_bumper_sticker-128206936316151425)

The 85K supply(actually more because educational institutions are exempt from
the cap)is snapped up on the first day because THE VISAS ARE UNDERPRICED.
This is partially a result of the lottery method of distributing visas. An
auction based on employee starting salary would probably accomodate all the
application for visa workers starting at 40K or above.

- Mike.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 41 weeks ago
#39

Pharmaceutical oligarchs spend more on advertising than on research. Much of the research they claim credit for is done in universities with tax support, and then handed over to big pharma.

People just want to believe, and self-delusion is the key to happiness.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#40

@Foodfacist, how 'bout a compromise, and we'll just flag Halliburton as offensive ;-)

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harry ashburn 9 years 41 weeks ago
#41

One great thing about China...they execute some corporate criminals!

Zero G's picture
Zero G 9 years 41 weeks ago
#42

@ Nels

"Well we inherited this economy from the previous administration." Too bad that then Obama kept Ben Bernanke (who I've unfairly compared to Capt. Hazeltine, he of the Exxon Valdez. I heard a commentator say recently, "we know the cause of the Exxon Valdez, the Capt. was drunk." True the Capt. was drunk, also true is the fact that at the time the tanker was being piloted by a speecial channel master and the much maligned Hazeltine wasn't on the bridge.) Obama has also allowed the billions to funnel to the banks and not the states or domestic infrastrure and social safety nets.

But, my blame goes to DLC democrats as much as anyone. It was Clinton, after all, that built a marble monument to FDR while at the same time destroyed the legacy he left us, "welfare as we know it..."

gerald's picture
gerald 9 years 41 weeks ago
#43

Corruption (Part II)

Here are some additional thoughts on corruption.

Assassination contracts for foreign and domestic citizens whom our government believes should be killed. People with pre-existing health conditions cannot receive health insurance. People who do have health insurance but who suffer a catastrophic illness will be dropped by a health investment company. America does have transparency in her name – The United States of Hell. Hell is the transparent word for our country. We have lunatics running our D.C. asylums. Our politicians are also gay, lesbian, and/or perverted. Copulation and fornication are the acceptable norms. Our politicians and our corporate executives are sociopaths. We can forget due process in the United States of Hell. Our nation is the anti-Christ as the Holy Bible has it recorded. The devil’s disciples have control over our citizens. We have private prisons that are run for a profit. Torture is common practice in our prisons. We in incarcerate more prisoners than any other country. Our defense budget is more than all of the other foreign countries combined.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#44

Oh great, prisoners in India will be handling my bank paperwork not taking my phone call, that's a relief.

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Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 41 weeks ago
#45

@MaxRot oky doky :)

DRichards's picture
DRichards 9 years 41 weeks ago
#46

It seems to me that the majority of the ills that we as a society suffer are due to people being self centered (it's all about me, me, me). Perhaps if we as a society started to stigmatize and shun these self centered people, we could shame them in to better behavior.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 41 weeks ago
#47

re: Thoms question, Why are these foreign companies screwing the American people?

Because our politicians are pimping us out!!!!!

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Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 41 weeks ago
#48

Right Pharmaceutical Oligarchs-

They use the 3rd world countries as guinnea pigs, the real R & D.

Actually, you ought to stroll through Roche Pharmaceutical in Palo Alto- those 'researchers' live and work in the utmost luxury. They 'sponsored' an environmental fair to buddy up to the save the rain forest crowd in order to learn where the natives are iwth the best natural medicines so that the pharmaceutical oligarchs can cheat the natives out of their natural medicine.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 41 weeks ago
#49

One of the things overlooked by international outsourcing fanatics is that coding is not all that's included in the cycle of computer software.

As a software engineer, I have seen plenty of packages that were practically impossible to maintain because the company didn't care about what happens after an application makes a successful trip through the compiler.

One of my professors would give a grade of 'C' to a program that compiled, whether it worked or not. Most software warranties exclude merchantability and usefulness from their responsibility to their customers.

LeMoyne's picture
LeMoyne 9 years 41 weeks ago
#50

There was always a rumor at one call center I worked that had us being replaced by US prisoners. It's Filipinos as much as Indians for call center work. The weird twist is that prisoners aren't counted as workers in unemployment stats.

Our financial, phone and medical data is globetrotting while we struggle to afford a trip to the grocery store.

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