Daily Topics - Tuesday - May 18th 2010

Hour One - Ilya Shapiro www.cato.org Can sex can get you indefinite detention...???

Hour Two - Should the Government subsidize electric plug-in cars and electric high speed rail or will we still be chanting, "Drill Baby Drill!"

Hour Three - Maggie Gallagher
www.marriagedebate.com Tim Pawlenty want to steal the dead...is he a vampire or a zombie?

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gerald's picture
gerald 9 years 39 weeks ago
#1

Spelling error CHAINS and not changes!

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#2

@gerald, just use the "Edit" button.

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gerald's picture
gerald 9 years 39 weeks ago
#3
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Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#4

OK in my perusal of the BP Oil Spill I keep coming across this Gulf of Mexico accident, Ixtoc I. Its stated that it was the worst spill (at least in the Gulf) ever. Does anyone know to what extent this killed the Gulf, what the clean up effort was and the results of it, where it was located, and how its location effected the spill pattern. I'm only seeing a comparison in passing, but no real data on the Ixtoc I and I'm wondering how valid the comparison is.

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gerald's picture
gerald 9 years 39 weeks ago
#5

Children and Prisons

We have many personal prisons. For example, we can be incarcerated in a county, state, or federal prison. We can stay in our home afraid to go out in the public. The most significant prison is the chains around our heart. I have shared with you that we are destroying our children through mind control and operant conditioning. Children are numbing their brains through video games and violent movies. We are teaching and training our children to hate at an earlier age. The beauty of their belief in fairness and idealism is being lost. Children are being programmed to grow up sooner and detour around their teenage years. We are preparing our children to be misfits and sociopaths.

I believe that in a 5-4 decision the Supreme Court that children cannot be imprisoned for life. I wonder if the four votes were from Catholics. The Catholic Mafia on the Supreme Court is a disgrace to Catholicism.

The United States of Hell will NEVER lose militarily but her soul will be DAMNED for eternity.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Imprisoning-Children-for-L-by-Stephen-Lendman-100515-793.html

California has juvenile detention centers. There have cases of girls saying that her boyfriend raped her after breaking up. The boys are always guilty and they go to these detention centers. They will for life be considered a sex offender.

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RandyWinn 9 years 39 weeks ago
#6

While I have absolutely zero sympathy for sexual predators, I have grave suspicion about giving the government the power to lock people up forever without facing a jury of their peers.

On this, libertarians and civil libertarians should be allies.

But it is natural for this to be a very emotional issue, especially considering the high likelihood of crimes occurring if we don't lock up the predators. And it must be tempting for politicians to use the emotions of this issue for advantage.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#7

Is jailing sex offenders really helping society in the first place? I somehow think that since its obvious that there is in most cases a mental derangement associated with the perpetrators, wouldn't placing them in secure mental institutions be better for both them and society? I mean at least in such an institution mental health professionals, Doctors and Psychiatrists, can both study and treat them.

I suppose there could be an argument for almost any criminal being in need of mental health treatment though. However, I'm not so certain that criminals aren't at some level mentally disturbed in the first place. I think our society is overly concerned about revenge and punishment and not rehabilitation.

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harry ashburn 9 years 39 weeks ago
#8

re: #7: I recall someone wise saying something like "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither".

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 39 weeks ago
#9

Before the budget cuts of the '80s, There was an East Moline State Hospital in Illinois. After they were emptied out, former patients were taken off the streets for whatever crimes, and then sentenced to the same building, which is now called East Moline Correctional Institution.

Jail staff is much cheaper than hospital staff.

gerald's picture
gerald 9 years 39 weeks ago
#10

The Catholic Mafia on the Supreme Court is really pissing me off. They are not practicing true Catholicism and true Christianity.

If you have any doubt that there is a an effort to control the minds of our youth, please follow what the Texas publishing componies are printing as so called facts. These publishing companies are effectively dummying down our youth.

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Gene Savory 9 years 39 weeks ago
#11

@Harry Ashburn: That quote is usually attributed to Ben Franklin.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#12

Hey Thom, why would an Executive party necessary cause this accident? I mean they were going to a working oil rig, I doubt that they would want to be on a quiet non-working rig. I mean, these people are going out there to pretend to be real Oil Workers, I would think they would prefer the machinery to be humming along and the little people running hither and dither working hard, so they could feel that just by being there their partipating in real work. I mean, it isn't like they were having a golf banquet at the country club. Imagine men in 3 piece suits and hard hats, that's how execs dress for these gatherings, they're reliving their days of playing with Tonka Trucks in the backyard, they're drinking hi-balls not Champagne, they're real men and they're not afraid to proove it. If you're holding a party with a certain backdrop chosen, you want that environment to be in full effect.

I just have a hard time believing that the oil rig was cutting corners for the party, I can believe they we're doing it to save a few bucks though.

I'm not saying you must be wrong, I just think some research needs to be done on how these shindigs and wingdings are presented.

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harry ashburn 9 years 39 weeks ago
#13

@Maxrot re: #12: My guess is the earth rebelled and regurgitated on such a center of evil. Kind of an immune response.

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Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#14

@harry, in all truth, I don't think the earth gives a damn one way or another. Nature as we know it is really nothing more than a thin web of life at and just below the earth surface. A mere residue of filth on its face.

No these idiots are just like people who play with fire and start a forest wildfire. They dare to act foolishly and before you know it all sort's of people are affected.

How people can't believe in evolution is beyond me, obviously the missing links are all around us. From stupid chimp-men running coal mines, to foolish monkey-men playing on oil rigs.

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gerald's picture
gerald 9 years 39 weeks ago
#15

Through the centuries civilizations and empires have risen and fallen. I will be discussing the death of the United States of Hell. History does repeat itself. Historians often look to the Roman Empire and I will be no different.

The Roman Empire fell for a variety reasons, such as lead poisoning through their use of lead pots and pans, the possible rise of Christianity, the hiring of mercenaries to fight their endless wars, and the slaves to do the domestic work.

Let us look closely at the demise of the United States of America. Our death is similar and yet very complex because our death occurs in the twenty-first century. The twenty-first century was supposedly more advanced and yet it was probably less advanced in terms of humanitarian reasons.

We can look at our deregulations of the environment that is killing off life from animal to human life. It is the United States of Hell’s fall from Christianity that has also aided in our demise. We turned our backs on Jesus Christ and accepted false prophets. These false prophets in our religions are clinging to the eight pillars for its strength. These eight pillars are hatred, murders, torture, war crimes, corruption, decadence, greed, and lies. These eight pillars gradually destroyed the mind, body, and souls of our citizens and our nation as a whole. We also hired mercenaries to fight our endless wars because the goose-stepping elitists have systematically killed off our children. We have also destroyed our middle class and hired people at slave wages. American corporations have also been instrumentally involved with our goose-stepping government by destroying the middle class with outsourcing our jobs and the hiring foreigners for less money. American lives have diminished steadily for decades.

Average Americans have developed a sense of hopelessness from our children to our adults. Our citizens and politicians have preferred screwing around and not parenting. Our teenagers are a great resource for us because they are into fairness and idealism. Fairness is not just for themselves but also for their friends and other people. They are also idealistic because they believe in a better world. Our country cannot be a role model for other countries because we have demoralized our people to the point that hopelessness and fear are rampant in our nation and among our people. We are already into the abyss of hell.

Goose-stepping Americans have a unique way of behavior toward people whom we consider different. We are great at stigmatizing people by bias, distrust, stereotyping, fear, embarrassment, anger, and/or avoidance.

Our evil and immoral ways have brought to us what we deserve our demise as a nation. People usually get what they deserve and goose-stepping Americans deserve death.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 39 weeks ago
#16

Free Speech advocate Chris Drew is in court today to file motions on his arrest for "eavesdropping" on the Chicago police officer who arrested him. The charge is a felony in Illinois.

Chris has the support of the ACLU in this, and has said he will try to get the law declared unconstitutional.

Rodney King didn't mind someone eavesdropping on the police. Oscar Grant didn't get a chance to appreciate someone recording audio/video on the BART platform in Oakland, CA. He was handcuffed and face down on the platform when a cop shot him in the back.

More at www.c-drew.com/blog/

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#17

@Gene, how in the hell can they seriously call recording public servants acting in public, with the public, eavesdropping. What a bunch of hypocritical crap.

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harry ashburn 9 years 39 weeks ago
#18

Now the new Muslim Miss USA's crown is being challenged 'cause she earlier did a pole dance (while clad in t-shirt and shorts) . That will pave the way for the (assumed) Christian Miss Mobilhoma to assume the crown.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 39 weeks ago
#19

Contempt of Citizen: A Chicago woman is sentenced to 48 hours in jail because the judge didn't like what was printed on her tee shirt.

More: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0505101tshirt1.html

RandyWinn's picture
RandyWinn 9 years 39 weeks ago
#20

"Ocean Destroyers Anonymous" - sometimes humor can make a point more palatable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_aXrlz8n14&feature=player_embedded

RandyWinn's picture
RandyWinn 9 years 39 weeks ago
#21

//@Gene, how in the hell can they seriously call recording public servants acting in public, with the public, eavesdropping.//

That's Another thing conservatives and liberals should agree on.

We should make a list!

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 39 weeks ago
#22

@Maxrot: Illinois has had this law on the books since 1994. It was a reaction to a politician whose comments were recorded. Embarrassing a politition is a felony.

Exemptions written in to allow police to record you without your permission. Of course, the cops can record you.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 39 weeks ago
#23

Thom, are you a time traveler? Tuesday May 18.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#24

@Gene, I know, I know, we're all equal, but some are more equal than others.

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Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#25

@Gene, what day are you on? Its Tue May 18th here in CA.

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n8chz's picture
n8chz 9 years 39 weeks ago
#26

A sure recipe for the downfall of a civilization is the witches' brew of religiosity and nationalism inherent in the mantra 'God and Country.'

harry ashburn 9 years 39 weeks ago
#27

@Gene re: #23: Thom IS a time traveler...he told me so in 2038. :D

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 39 weeks ago
#28

@RandyWinn: Also, it's only audio recording without mutual consent. Video without audio is OK. A judge in DeKalb County, Illinois found that two brothers who tried to record the cops who pulled them over should be tried on the felony rap.

A police officer is not just some guy talking with you, he is the executive of the state who is talking AT you. This relationship is not a conversation between people. It is the state giving you orders.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 39 weeks ago
#29

@Maxrot Thom announced that it was Wednesday in his top of the hour report.

harry ashburn 9 years 39 weeks ago
#30

re: #29: I believe Thom had briefly astral - projected to Japan and was speaking from the other side of the international date line.

n8chz's picture
n8chz 9 years 39 weeks ago
#31

We are a 'mirror shades' society; with one way information flow.

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ventg4fun 9 years 39 weeks ago
#32

I agree with Thom about electric cars. We had electric cars back in the 1920's, and we had water/steam powered cars even earlier, at the turn of the 20th century. A few of those companies folded due to poor sales, but all the ones who were thriving were purhcased either by the big oil companies or by one of the gas propelled auto giants to eliminate competition. Just think about how advanced we'd be now if we'd continued to develop and market those technologies all these last 90-100 years. Food for thought for those reichwingnuts who just can't support weaning us off of the oil teat.

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Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#33

@Gene, well maybe Thom is broadcasting just West of the International date line today (perhaps he's day dreaming of Sun Bathing on a South Pacific Island, far from all the hectic political issues of the day. He could use some real time off (instead of all the Progressive cruises and international speaking tours), perhaps its just subconscious.

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n8chz's picture
n8chz 9 years 39 weeks ago
#34

One antidote: Sousveillance

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#35

@harry re: #30 and #33, great minds think a like.... and apparently so do ours LOL ;-).

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RandyWinn's picture
RandyWinn 9 years 39 weeks ago
#36

I hope my current car lasts another 10 years, but when it's time to retire that baby, I want an electric car. 40 miles a day will be fine for me; for longer trips I'd like to be able to take the train.

harry ashburn 9 years 39 weeks ago
#37

re: #32: yeah. I remember as a little kid in the '50's, in Donald Duck comic books, Donald's elderly granny or aunt drove an old sun-powered jalopy. The roof of the vehicle was like an early photovoltaic receptor.(solar panel)

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#38

If these companies are making these bets, who is on the other side matching that bet?

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Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#39

A grass roots movement isn't enough, its only gets us short term goals, progressives need to start and maintain a current, forever demanding fair and equal treatment.

The constitution is a good start, our forefathers were wise indeed when they built our foundations. I really want to see the progressives build their house on it. But like Winchester, never accept the words "Its Finished", keep building.

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n8chz's picture
n8chz 9 years 39 weeks ago
#40

Usually pension fund managers

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Yellowbird7 9 years 39 weeks ago
#41

I noticed their Pope doesn't practice Christianity either.

n8chz's picture
n8chz 9 years 39 weeks ago
#42

Sounds like Thom has discovered a positive feedback loop. Positive feedback, while it sounds positive, is destabilizing. Negative feedback is what you want.

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 39 weeks ago
#43

PG & E may be in big trouble in California. DO NOT mess with those tough Women of Marin, just North of San Francisco. They will eat anything lving to preserve the environment and are very progressive.

Community Choice Aggregates

Community Choice Aggregates (CCAs) are to energy reform what the public option is to health care. Cities form the equivalent of a buyer's cooperative by purchasing bulk energy on the market to build local green-power facilities. That electricity is then re-sold to local residents and businesses using the distribution system built by the city's current private electric service provider, PG&E.

Dan Walters (2010), reporter for the Sacramento Bee writes “Nearly a century later, PG&E is still resisting efforts to create publicly owned utilities." The provider has recently collected enough signatures from paid gatherers to qualify as an initiative termed Proposition 16 : New Two-Thirds Vote Requirement for Local Public Electricity Providers. Initiative Constitutional Amendment. Walters writes this will cost PG&E at least 25 million dollars to persuade voters to adopt the constitutional amendment.

Read more at Suite101: Solar Power for the Roofless: Off-site Solutions: Innovative Programs Offer Greater Accessibility To Clean Renewables http://environmental-engineering.suite101.com/article.cfm/solar-power-for-the-roofless-off-site-solutions#ixzz0oIwIOuQ6

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 9 years 39 weeks ago
#44

I'd like to buy an electric car too, but the $40,000 price puts the monthly payment out of my reach. If they priced something around $20,000 then I could seriously consider it. I have little doubt that pricing it out of reach of the median income earner is yet once again playing the "We tried to produce an electric car, but nobody bought it" game, "So we're going back to producing gas only vehicles".

I'll believe there is a serious desire to get people alternative energy cars when they make the introductory price reasonable.

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Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 39 weeks ago
#45

@n8schz Sya hwat?

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 9 years 39 weeks ago
#46

Bobby Kennedy remarked that we don't bomb an entire US neighborhood because a bad guy might be there.

harry ashburn 9 years 39 weeks ago
#47

I've seen articles from Pravda that were loonier than National Inquirer, i.e. "I ate my Baby's Ears off!!"

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n8chz 9 years 39 weeks ago
#48

Food Fascist: Postitive feedback is when competing forces push the state of things away from equilibrium, whereas negative feedback is the opposite. Thom's discovery is that ratings agency demotions trigger sell-off, which triggers lower bond price and lower ratings, etc. Requirements not to hold bonds rated lower than BBB were also cited as a trigger.

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LeMoyne 9 years 39 weeks ago
#49

I may have this scam wrong Maxrot (@#38), but I think the way it works is that when Goldman's financial products based on short positions on corporations or countries go up in price they actually force the value of the corporation's stock or countries' bonds down. Once some momentum is established this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The banksters rig the game so that they have gotten paid 1) to setup the game (transaction fees, percentage on naked CDO pool, etc.) even the original bond as in Greece, 2) in inflating the original value (again transaction fees for setting up the marks) and finally, 3) they collect a lot of everyone else's money when they close out the scam by selling the original and drive a bandwagon effect to crash the market for the original and then they sell out of the rigged short position at an inflated price. Money flows to them all the way through, the original position (corporation/country) is crashed and investors now hold paper that goes up when others suffer instead of stock in a productive corporation or a country's infrastructure bond. Oh, and the original position is now artificially deflated so the bankster's snap it back up and they have completed an under the table takeover. So, as in Greece they can convert the scammed money into real assets and they try to get more real assets through privatization of public assets. Seems pretty twisted but something like this is clearly working for these vampire investment banksters who have gotten incredibly rich while the economy stutters and 'normal' commercial banks become understandably afraid to put their assets anywhere.

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 9 years 39 weeks ago
#50

@n8chz- So to be clear, you are using the terms negative and positive feedback as financial terms?

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