Daily Topics - Thursday - June 10 2010

Quote: The most important word in the language of the working class is "solidarity." -- Harry Bridges

Hour One - BP spill...will anybody go to jail for negligent homicide? Congressman (D-WA) Brian Baird

Plus...Has transnational corporate power become so large that even the President can't stand up to it? Is the Obama Admin slowly committing political suicide for 2012? Eddie Vale, AFL-CIO spokesmanwww.aflcio.org

Hour Two - Will the Icelandic volcanic eruption provide climate change deniers with a whole new anomaly to scream about? Has the Republican Party turned into the modern version of the Catholic Church's war on Galilleo? Climate Scientist Dr. Brenda Ekwurzel www.uscusa.org

Plus...Geeky Science – want to lose weight? Turn up the heat…and I don’t mean the thermostat!

Hour Three - Is tough guy aerial bombing only a stupid policy that makes bullies feel good or THE most stupid policy imaginable? Curtis Sliwa, Host of The Curtis Sliwa Show; founder and CEO of the Guardian Angels www.curtissliwa.com

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gerald's picture
gerald 15 years 44 weeks ago
#2

What man in his right mind would want to be married to this creature?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/09/sharron-angle-nevada-cand_n_605754.html

gerald's picture
gerald 15 years 44 weeks ago
#4

The Fifth and the Seventh Commandments

These are two commandments that Americans and corporations willfully commit mortal sins that damn their souls. They are the signature commandments of the United States of Hell and her people. Let us take a look at each commandment and the breakdown that leads Americans and corporations to commit mortal sins.

The Fifth Commandment – Thou Shall Not Kill

Killing of a human being, murder, abortion, willfully trying to hurt another human being, wishing harm to another person or persons, driving dangerously and recklessly, driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol, willfully harboring hatred for another person or persons, self-mutilation, promotion and involvement in euthanasia, and bigotry are some examples!

The Seventh Commandment – Thou Shall Not Steal

Willfully destroying or defacing another’s property (such as in wrong and immoral wars), defrauding workers of their wages (such as slave wages and outsourcing of jobs), taking advantage of the poor, simple, inexperienced, less fortunate and the middle class, denying help to the poor, needy, destitute, and the middle class, fraud (such as our politicians who take money or accepting of a bribe), price fixing (such as our oil companies and their involvement in this practice), tax evasion (such as the rich and corporations who have offshore tax havens), excessive waste (such as oil spillage, Massey mining, entering wrong and immoral wars), and slavery are some examples!

As you can read, the United States of Hell routinely commits mortal sins that damn her soul. Mortal sins are the American way of life.

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gerald 15 years 44 weeks ago
#5

Here is another open letter to Thom and his listeners.

“It is God’s will and God knows best.” What the United States of Hell and her people are facing is God’s punishment. Ninety percent of Americans will experience God’s punishment now. The ten percent of Americans with ninety percent of the wealth will probably face their punishment before God and the final judgment. Please make no mistake in the fact that there will be some form of punishment for each American.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 15 years 44 weeks ago
#6

I'm not sure if the question should be WHY IS BP enforcing a no-fly zone? I think it should be HOW IS BP enforcing a no-fly zone?

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n8chz's picture
n8chz 15 years 44 weeks ago
#7

Yah how is it that BP controls airspace?

n8chz's picture
n8chz 15 years 44 weeks ago
#8

The relationship between the progressive movement and the Democratic Party has always been a marriage of convenience. The Democratic Party, first and foremost, is the party of the South; the party of Jefferson and Jackson.

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rladlof 15 years 44 weeks ago
#9

@Gerald:

The Statement לא תרצח׃ (Lo tir-tzakh) found in Shemot (Exodus) 20.12 is not accurately translated as "Thou Shall Not Kill.” A far more accurate rendering would be “No unjust killing.”

Unjust Killing is understood as illegal killing, such as premeditated murder or manslaughter.

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Gene Savory 15 years 44 weeks ago
#10

The TFR appears to be sensible. 3000 feet above ground level can be justified because of low level operations involving planes spraying chemicals. A whole bunch of sightseers could get in each other's way.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 15 years 44 weeks ago
#12

uh oh, Thom is beginning to sound like rladlof, he might just start calling Obama a DLC boot lick if he continues on this line.

As I discovered my progressive frame of mind, I couldn't in good conscience join the Democratic Party, I couldn't ally myself with a party that pays lip service to its progressive platform. The Greens may be powerless, but I rather be in a party that shares my idealism, than be in a party that I must beg and plead to consider my ideals.

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Maxrot 15 years 44 weeks ago
#13

@rladlof, re: no unjust killing, so how would that apply to finding your spouse in bed with someone else? Is killing one or both of them justified?

(Not that I have yet to come across that problem in my life, but just in case).

N

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n8chz 15 years 44 weeks ago
#14

What's really insulting is Democratic politicians who feel they have to distance themselves from us. According to the main$tream media, failure to do so makes them 'out of touch' or 'out of tune.'

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rladlof 15 years 44 weeks ago
#15

@MAXROT:

President Obama is NOT a ‘DLC boot lick.’ President Obama is the king of the DLC.

You have the relationship backwards . . .

n8chz's picture
n8chz 15 years 44 weeks ago
#16

But where is the DLC itself in the dominance/submission hierarchy?

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 15 years 44 weeks ago
#17

@rladlof, I disagree, Obama is just the titular head of the DLC, his time will pass at least in 6 years (if not sooner), but the DLC will still be calling the shots for the Democratic Party long after that.

But you have to admit, you musta had a slight smile while Thom was ranting on Obama's corporate love.

N

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n8chz 15 years 44 weeks ago
#18

Libertarians (in the American sense) aren't idealists, as their a priori assumption is that human nature is inherently selfish. They are, to their credit, hobgoblins for consistency.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 15 years 44 weeks ago
#19

To the anonymous White House spokesperson (looking at you Rahm) who said that Labor just blew 10 million on the Arkansas election. The White House just blew that Democratic Seat by supporting Lincoln... who do you think muffed it more?

I'm sure someone there was just itching to say "I told you so" ever since their support for Senator Spector did nothing. But their spiking the ball at the 10 yard line.

The one word that sums up the current administration for me is: DETACHED

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n8chz's picture
n8chz 15 years 44 weeks ago
#20

When I was a kid, the Democrats with union support were considered the 'machine' Democrats. Now the DLC's are firmly in control of the party machinery.

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MattA 15 years 44 weeks ago
#21

On Tuesday, the Supreme Court took another swing of the hammer to the stake through the heart of democracy in the United States by nulling the Arizona law that allowed public financing of elections in that state.

Matt Allen

Madison, WI

n8chz's picture
n8chz 15 years 44 weeks ago
#22

Libertarian dogma in a nutshell: Public sector bad! Private sector good!

Reminiscent of the sheep in Animal Farm.

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Kai Wen 15 years 44 weeks ago
#23

About the candidate that won the South Carolina Democratic primary, Alvin Greene was arrested in November, and could get 5 years in jail. I am wondering if the district attourney told Alvin Greene that if he would just file to run for senator, the DA would drop the charges after the November election.

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rladlof 15 years 44 weeks ago
#24

@MAXROT:

How would I treat the situation of finding my spouse in bed with someone else? First, I would have to assume that you are referring to someone other than my four year-old daughter . . . AND that you are typing about something other than just being ‘in bed.’ So, if you are truly asking me, my answer is: Videotape . . .

From the stand point of Jewish tradition, the finding one’s spouse in bed with another is rather well-defined. If the spouse stepping-out is male, the finding individual would recognize that her husband has taken another spouse as is his right (The thousand year prohibition against polygyny lapsed several years ago). If the spouse stepping out is female, she and her paramour have enacted a property crime against her husband’s right to bed her. Truthful testimony from two (2) witnesses is required and a decision by the court against the trysting gal and her bang-buddy THEN the biblical prescription is the death of both (I vote from old age). The killing of a spouse and her lover is unjust until due process has run its course. If the court rules for the traditional punishment, the killing would be passionless . . . and just. If it were anything else, it would be unjust.

Jewish tradition, also, stands on the ideal that Jews must live with the customs and laws of the nation in which they reside. If I felt hurt by my wife getting hot and sweaty with someone else, divorce is an acceptable solution BUT in my case, such an occurrence would result in me reviewing my behavior within the relationship. As a responsible adult . . . if I am not delivering, her nasty-naked time with someone else is my fault. Contrary to popular Christofascist principles, marriages are more than just sex.

I have gone on the record many times before typing that the Tanakh this is not the basis of the American justice system and I am way beyond damn happy that this is so. The problem is compounded when folk from Christian traditions attempt to applying ‘biblical’ principles to legal standards because it is NOT their book and they do NOT understand that farging thing . . . In fact, their traditions preclude them from understanding the Tanakh AND, therefore, their attempt of inserting ‘biblical’ traditions into the law gives me the willies in a BIG way. The problems with imposing Christofascist principles on Americans is Americans are not necessarily Rapturian or supportive of fascism.

I know that, for Gerald, looking through the prism of his religious principles grants him a valid lens to understand his interpretation of the world BUT it is not my understanding of the universe AND I remain willing to passionately speak-out against it.

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Gene Savory 15 years 44 weeks ago
#25

A couple of hints about Isreal:

You know there will be a problem when the prime minister says, "there is no such thing as a Palestinian." (Golda Meir)

The biggest sign that there is a problem ahead is when (as the song Exodus goes) "this land is mine. God gave this land to me."

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 15 years 44 weeks ago
#26

I think Rove took on Dubya as a challenge. "I can make anyone President, and here's my proof."

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 15 years 44 weeks ago
#27

@rladlof... so no shooting from the hip impassioned rage. What about if I find my wife in bed with another woman? Do I thank my lucky stars and get to join in?

(It could happen, why not). ;-)

N

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Maxrot 15 years 44 weeks ago
#28

IT staffing firms don't like to have good reasons for hiring H-1B workers. They want to sue to protect what they believe is their right to hire foreign nationals here at home.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9177886/IT_staffing_firms_file_su...

So not only should we outsource our tech jobs, we should also import cheap labor for the few tech jobs left here. So much for retraining for an IT job fellow americans.

N

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 15 years 44 weeks ago
#30

Bobby Kennedy pointed out that when we want to arrest a criminal in New York City, we don't blow up the entire block where we think he may be.

n8chz's picture
n8chz 15 years 44 weeks ago
#31

Is that Bobby Kennedy Jr., of Ring of Fire fame?

gerald's picture
gerald 15 years 44 weeks ago
#32

Here is an early Christmas song for the United States of Hell.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Oh-Come-All-Ye-Hateful-by-Darren-Wolfe-100609-787.html

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rladlof 15 years 44 weeks ago
#33

@MAXROT:

I know of no biblical prohibition against two women being ‘in bed’ with one another.

The polite thing would be to let them finish THEN crawl into bed . . .

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 15 years 44 weeks ago
#34

RFK Sr.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 15 years 44 weeks ago
#35

@rladlof, yes I wouldn't want to be impolite, in fact I would be all to happy to provide an extra hand (or whatever) if requested.

N

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 15 years 44 weeks ago
#36

Another Red Neck story:

There is a History Channel story in which the striking miners who assembled and armed themselves to fight the coal operators and their thugs in West Virginia wore those red kerchiefs.

gerald's picture
gerald 15 years 44 weeks ago
#37

@rladlof, is our killing in the Middle East a just killing? Protecting yourself from an attack can justify a killing. The problem with our country is that we consider ourselves above the law. There is no country on our planet that can defeat us. Americans are glorified with killing.

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rladlof 15 years 44 weeks ago
#38

@Gene Savory:

Two thoughts:

1. Golda Meir died in 1978.

2. It should be noted that there is no evidence that the folk presently calling themselves ‘Palestinians’ are direct or even indirect descendants of the occupying Hellenistic Greeks who had renamed the region to Palestine during their 28 years of occupying the region as spoils of war over two thousand years ago. After the Israelites re-claimed the country (Hooray Chanukah!), Palestine officially ceased to exist forever. Largely the folk who people call ‘Palestinians’ are the Ottoman Empire underclass which lived in Transjordan during to the British Mandate (1917-1948). In truth, some of them have roots going back centuries . . . Perhaps even a millennia or two . . . But I have yet to see any evidence that they are descendants of Hellenistic Greeks. You appear to have reached the conclusion that Israel is a roguish state enacting malfeasance based partly on faulty reasoning.

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Gene Savory 15 years 44 weeks ago
#39

@radloff: so god did give the land to the tribes of Israel? Albert Einstein advocated a Jewish homeland, but feared a Jewish state.

Saying it's ours because our ancestors may have lived there could logically extend to Africa, where we are all from. So, when are we going to Kenya and Ethiopia and demand our property back?

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Maxrot 15 years 44 weeks ago
#40

@rladlof, I know this may found disrespectful, I don't mean to be, but other than the religious significance of Israel, is there anything else that makes the area desirable? Natural resources, or key trade routes or something like that? I know the question may seem simplistic, but I still wonder what actually makes the land so important.

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rladlof 15 years 44 weeks ago
#41

@gerald:

No, the present American killing being enacted in the Middle East is wholly unjustifiable and unjust. I do not condone or support the practice. I live firmly in the ‘nation-building is good’ camp.

My point is that “Carrying the name of the One God before you into vain, earthly pursuits” (Shemot – Exodus 20:06) is, also, a sin AND if folk chose to do it, they should, at least, be accurate in their depravity.

gerald's picture
gerald 15 years 44 weeks ago
#42

Albert Einstein was brilliant. We need more Albert Einsteins in the world.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 15 years 44 weeks ago
#43

Thom, McDonnell Douglas doesn't exist anymore, bought out by Boeing long long ago.

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Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 15 years 44 weeks ago
#44

@radloff: Golda Meir said that when she was alive. Haven't heard anything from her lately.

gerald's picture
gerald 15 years 44 weeks ago
#45

@rladlof, we have too much talk from people who preach God, mother, and country. Bush disgusts me and Obama is carry the torch for Bush and his killing policies and practices. Personally, I see Obama as a lost cause in our pursuit of a better world. Yes, Obama is a corporatist.

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rladlof 15 years 44 weeks ago
#46

The question of whose dirt is it in easily remedied by all sides accepting the United Nations Resolution 48 . . . The Transjordan portion of the British Mandate was trisected into Jordan, Israel and what should have been Palestine.

Now . . . Having typed the above, I am more than willing to admit that the situation is far from perfect. Religion or not has little to do with my views on Israel’s existence. Folk deserve dirt they can call their own . . . Dirt where they can be guaranteed a chance to be free from attacks by malicious outside forces. This includes Israelis, Palestinians, Darfur refugees, Afghanis and everyone . . . Even Libertarians and Republicans. Where that is for each folk in question is the eternal question . . .

A quick review of the proposed plan from Resolution 48 resulted in Israel being founded with indefensible borders. I suspect that the original intention was largely designed to finish off the remaining Hebrews. Fortunately, Israel’s defense against the attacks by its newly minted neighbors reconsolidated its borders into something almost manageable. We have to remember that the Palestinian camps were foisted off onto Israel by its neighboring Arabic nations. The Israelis are charged with defending and supplying folk sworn to their destruction AND the world is pissed off that they are still around to attempt to do so.

I see the basic issue as: One sovereign nation is being told by the whole world to make peace with a marketing campaign design to de-legitimatize that nation’s status . . . If the Palestinian leadership stepped up and declared themselves a nation and worked towards that goal . . . The issue would be solved.

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rladlof 15 years 44 weeks ago
#47

Strange, I haven’t heard from Golda either . . . She never writes. Sigh.

My point was over thirty years have passed and both sides need to come to the table.

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Steve.I.Am 15 years 44 weeks ago
#48

Hey Rahm . . . flush this! Signed, A "f**king retard," and proud of it!!

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fbacher 15 years 44 weeks ago
#49

Ayn Rand Facist?

Interesting (long) read from http://www.alternet.org/story/147133/like_glenn_beck%2C_ayn_rand_peddled... Among other things, it compares the economic views of Rand with facisim:

Here he [Hitler] is in 1933 addressing another group of industrialists:

Everything positive, good and valuable that has been achieved in the world in the field of economics or culture is solely attributable to the importance of personality.... All the worldly goods we possess we owe to the struggle of the select few.

And here is Rand in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal (1967):

The exceptional men, the innovators, the intellectual giants....It is the members of this exceptional minority who lift the whole of a free society to the level of their own achievements, while rising further and ever further.
gerald's picture
gerald 15 years 44 weeks ago
#50

Shalom

Here is what America and the world need in order to attain peace and justice on our planet for all of God’s children. Here is also what I believe God wants for His children and His vision for the world.

Shalom translated means peace but it is much more than peace. Shalom is a vision of social wholeness; a state of well being for all, where everyone has access to the goods of creation intended to meet the needs of all. Shalom is the substance of the biblical vision of one community embracing all creation where all enjoy the resources that make communal harmony joyous and effective.

Shalom is nothing less than God’s intended vision of the world, a dream of God that resists our tendencies for division, hostility, fear, lust, and misery. If there is to be well-being, it will not be just for the isolated and insulated individuals, it is security and prosperity granted to the whole community: the poor, the widow, the orphan, the immigrant, the tax collector and the sinner, the despised and the rejected, young and old, the have and the have nots, the powerful and the dependent. We are in it together. Together we stand before God’s blessings and together we receive the gift of life. Shalom comes only to the inclusive embracing community that excludes no one.

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