Daily Topics - Thursday July 1st, 2010

Quote of the Day: "The care of human life and happiness and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government." --Thomas Jefferson to Maryland Republicans, 1809

It's Anything Goes...Thursday!!

Hour One: "Brunch With Bernie" - Thursday edition! Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) spends the hour with Thom discussing the issues and answering listener questions www.sanders.senate.gov

Hour Two: Why won't the Democrats and Republicans point out that our immigration problem is all Reagan's fault?
Thom has a rumble with former Congressman Tom Tancredo www.rockymountainfoundation.org

Geeky Science Rocks - Why young parents shouldn't care for kids

Hour Three: Why Aren’t Tea Parties Demanding That The Government Hold BP Accountable On Behalf Of Taxpayers? Zaid Jilani reporter for Think Progress will be here

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stopgap's picture
stopgap 10 years 17 weeks ago
#1

The "Papers Please Law" is not just about racism although that is probably its immediate appeal to the general public. I think that it is a mistake for liberals to portray it as just about racism though, when its larger effect could be to suppress all dissension, this is the most extreme justification for a "Police State", so far.

When you consider that this is a law that has no specific action to define its enforcement, then ultimately it be could used at any time on anyone merely based on someone's opinion of what constitutes "suspicious behavior". For instance, a cop sees a bumper sticker he disagrees with, he could dream up just about any excuse to describe as "suspicious behavior",

"The driver was wearing a beret, therefore I suspected that he was an illegal alien from France" "The guy was wearing a plaid shirt, so I thought he was an illegal from Scotland" etc. etc. Virtually any excuse could be used to harass anyone at will and the officer merely needs to state that it is a crime for him not to investigate what he perceived as 'suspicious".

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 17 weeks ago
#2

Dear Thom Blog Listeners,

Here is an open letter for you to read. The United States of Hell continues her evil, vile, and wicked ways. Let me give you some background information about the world’s most contemptible nation in the history of the universe. Our Numb Nut nation starts wars for profit; kills God’s children in immoral and wrong wars; has enslaved middle and working class people on slave wages; has given permission for Americans to be above the law; has glorified murder and torture; has also permitted financial institutions to cheat and rob Americans; the Federal Reserve has not been audited in nearly one hundred years; has made our teenagers disillusioned about fairness; and an activist United States Supreme Court has defamed and defiled the United States Constitution. I have offered you some examples in our country’s direction that is leading our people into the abyss of hell.

Now Americans who want a better America and a better world are considered active terrorists for being humanitarians. Sacramental Moments, such as good deeds, are also considered acts of terrorism by the corporatists, the elites, and the Mafioso United States Supreme Court. Sincerely, Gerald, a Jesus liberal, a pacifist, and a progressive!

P.S. Does this open letter make me an active terrorist???

**Reflection of the Week**

"If we all tried to make other people's paths easy, our own feet would have a smooth even place to walk on."

- Myrtle Reed

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rladlof 10 years 17 weeks ago
#3

Thank you, Governator Schwarzenegger and the Party of No, for you hard work on destroying the seventh largest economy on the planet. May your eventual stay in whatever divine judgment your soul has reaped be as unpleasant as you have inflicted.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-state-budget-20100701,0,877217.story

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TJONKPTK 10 years 17 weeks ago
#5

CBO says debt to soar despite new health law

WASHINGTON — President Obama's overhaul of the health-care system has done little to improve the nation's budget outlook, congressional budget analysts said Wednesday. They also said the president's tax agenda, including a pledge to extend an array of tax cuts for the middle class, would only make things worse.

In its latest long-term forecast, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted the national debt, which has surged during the recession, would keep rising in the coming decades despite cost-containment measures in the health overhaul Obama signed this year.

Government debt held by private investors is projected to hit 62 percent of annual economic output by the end of this year, the highest since shortly after World War II. It would rise to 80 percent of GDP by 2035 under current law, the CBO said.

The health-care overhaul made "steps in the direction of a sustainable fiscal policy. But they are small steps relative to the journey that will be needed for fiscal sustainability," CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf said Wednesday in testimony before Obama's bipartisan commission on the deficit.

The fiscal picture would darken dramatically, however, if Congress moved to short-circuit some of the cost-control measures in the new law, as some expect, while enacting tax policies Obama has proposed to benefit the middle class, the CBO said.

Those policies include a permanent reduction in the alternative minimum tax and an extension of tax cuts enacted during the Bush administration for families making less than $250,000 a year. The Bush tax cuts are to expire at the end of 2010.

Under that scenario, which assumes overall levels of taxation would remain relatively stable, the CBO said the national debt would soar to 87 percent of GDP by 2020, exceed its historical peak of 109 percent by 2025 and hit 185 percent of GDP by 2035.

Such deep debt is unprecedented in U.S. history and represents uncharted territory, Elmendorf said in his testimony. Its impact on the economy probably would be profoundly negative, he said.

Elmendorf said the gloomy long-term picture is not an argument for rejecting additional spending now to bolster the recovery. Indeed, he said, "enacting cuts in spending or increases in taxes now would probably slow the recovery."

However, Elmendorf said that developing a credible and certain deficit-reduction plan to take effect after the economy has recovered could boost public confidence by reducing uncertainty about what is bound to be a painful future path.

Bad reporting by Washington Post

This article states:

The health-care overhaul made "steps in the direction of a sustainable fiscal policy. But they are small steps relative to the journey that will be needed for fiscal sustainability," CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf said Wednesday in testimony before Obama's bipartisan commission on the deficit.

The fiscal picture would darken dramatically, however, if Congress moved to short-circuit some of the cost-control measures in the new law, as some expect, while enacting tax policies Obama has proposed to benefit the middle class, the CBO said.

So if Republicans do succeed in dismantling portions of the heath care bill, it will actually make the deficit worse while Obama is trying to reduce taxes on most of the readers of this newspaper.

I believe the following is a totally inaccurate statement:

..."an extension of tax cuts enacted during the Bush administration for families making less than $250,000 a year. The Bush tax cuts are to expire at the end of 2010.

The writer is trying to link the tax cuts for the middle class families making less than $250.000 that Obama enacted, not Bush and the expiration of the Bush tax cuts that benefit the top 2%, (millionaires and billionaires), not the average paycheck worker. This is a disingenuous statement designed to gain support for preserving the tax cuts for the ultra rich oligarchs.

Also, Bush never put the wars on the budget, they were always supplemental, off budget funding so the deficit was lower. They were finally added to the budget when Obama came into office, so the American people could actually see the cost.

Didn’t Dick Cheney famously state “deficits don’t matter.” Why, now?

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 17 weeks ago
#7

The Federal Reserve is a Ponzi scheme.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=94497

Jeanie's picture
Jeanie 10 years 17 weeks ago
#8

I haven't heard the follow-up to ACORN that I just heard from Thom. Something as important as that incident (although I think it actually was incredibly insignificant even if true, especially in comparison to election fraud) that turns out to have been edited to show the opposite of what actually happened--wow.

I assume Fox News issued retractions and apologies for having mislead its viewers.

Jeanie's picture
Jeanie 10 years 17 weeks ago
#9

So what do conservatives say about the discrepancy between taxes on labor and taxes on investments and how this is fair to the average working American? I mean, if they actually answer the question instead of responding to a different one.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 17 weeks ago
#10

There's a saying in the boat maintenance industry: "Don't maintain your boat daily, dust begins to accumulate; don't maintain your boat weekly, salt and grime begins to set in; don't maintain your boat monthly and corrosion starts to take effect." The same applies to our political climate, "Don't vote in elections, and the best politicians don't get the office; don't work locally in your party, and your representative doesn't represent your point of view; don't demand clean elections, and political corruption sets in."

The more and more you let it go, the worse it gets exponentially, to the point where doing the simple preventative maintenance isn't enough anymore.

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padlake's picture
padlake 10 years 17 weeks ago
#11

The Tea Partiers (Baggers) have been told by their astroturf groups to think that government shouldn't be regulating anything. In fact, their latest meme is that government needs to get out of the way so that BP can do an even more effective job.

Further, by all means, big bad mean ole government should most certainly NOT use this to bring light to the harms of what being addicted to oil means for the human race and its effect on our planet ... look the other way, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

http://www.teapartypledge.info

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 17 weeks ago
#12

Leo Buscaglia

Look around you! Leo Buscaglia, the late professor at USC, taught a Love class. He was called the Love Doctor. He was also a well known speaker and lecturer around the country.

At one conference he gave a speech and it probably was on love and helping people. After his speech a woman came up to him and said that she would like to do more but she did not know what to do. Leo said to her, “Look around you.” There are probably many people who say what they should do. All they have to do is to look around and see what they need to do. There really is a lot that we can do. Hurricane Katrina was an eye opener for Americans.

There is so much pain and suffering in the world that there is never lack of any work for good to be completed by people. Look around you and you will know how much you will need to do to help your brothers and sisters.

No Super Humans

Leo Buscaglia gave a speech at a conference and someone asked him if he knew of any super human beings? Leo said that he did not know of any one whom he would consider a super human being. He went on to say that whenever some people try to consider himself or herself a super human being, we should picture the person on a toilet and they become very human. Remember there are no super human beings.

Common Humanity

A person made a comment about Leo Buscaglia who said that there were no super human beings. When a person is taking a crap, we can view him or her as common humanity and there are no super humans.

I said that maybe negotiations should take place in a communal bathroom where every negotiator is taking a crap at the same time. These negotiations could center on justice and peace. People would meet as part of common humanity and everyone is the same and no egos to separate the people. Common humanity is necessary in discussing serious world issues.

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Bruce Leeroy 10 years 17 weeks ago
#13

Thank you, Governator II

aka............. "Red Ronnie"

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-28-05/discussion.cgi.28.html

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 17 weeks ago
#15
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Gene Savory 10 years 17 weeks ago
#16

Nat Hentoff studied the Second Amendment during the 1992 Presidential primary because He wasn't too sure that Pat Buchanan was wrong in saying the amendment conferred an individual right to arms. His conclusion was that Buchanan was correct.

I think the first "gun control" law was passed in 1799 to restrict the size of a gun on a private boat to four inch projectiles.

My friend, a police officer, tells me that the first weapon of choice for a home invasion is a baseball bat. Escalate as needed.

I think it would do very well to stop arguing about guns and start arguing about the causes of violence and the ways to approach and solve those problems.

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 17 weeks ago
#17
Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 17 weeks ago
#18

We don't need no reform schools (or anything else). Calvin told us that god has our destiny fixed at birth.

Other solution: declare all defendants tried as adults. If you're brown, it's quite likely.

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 17 weeks ago
#19

Here is a pet peeve of mine. Let me first say that I believe women are God's greatest creation. With that said I will state that the Portland Police will reopen a woman's claim that Al Gore groped her in 2006. Women wear provocative and scant clothing to entice men to look at them and than they have the audacity to claim when men do look at them and some of them grope the women, these men violated their space. If I was a judge, I would throw these women into prisons for entrapment of men.

Christopher Hitchens, a proclaimed atheist, is diagnosed with cancer. Will he remain an atheist as he lays dying on his death-bed?

rladlof's picture
rladlof 10 years 17 weeks ago
#20

Ms Jeanie,

They are not conservative . . . They are "Recessivist".

rladlof's picture
rladlof 10 years 17 weeks ago
#21

Gerald,

As an acolyte/adherent of a faith based religion, your inquiry regarding Christopher Hitchens makes sense to you. The rest of us may have truly divergent understandings of the universe and how it works. Being angry about his understanding of the universe, does not make yours more palatable. Disrespect is not sexy . . .

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