Daily Topics - Tuesday July 20th, 2010

Quote of the Day: Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. -- Howard Zinn

Hour One: Is forbidding mosques endangering religious freedom in America? Pastor William Rench of Calvary Baptist Church will be here http://cbctemecula.com; Plus, Arab-American talk show host Ray Hanania talks to Thom www.themediaoasis.com

Hour Two: Conservatives want to protect us from the government but who is going to protect us from the monopolies? Thom confronts Carrie Lukas of the Independent Womens Forum www.iwf.org

Hour Three: Rethinking Afghanistan - Filmmaker/Activist Robert Greenwald will be here http://rethinkafghanistan.com ; Plus, "Taking Our Country Back" Congressman Joe Sestak (D-PA, 7) tells Thom why he's running for U.S. Senate www.joesestak.com

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Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#1

Oh God, free us from the good people who in your name preach hate and intolerance.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#2

Freedom of Religion does not mean you're only free to choose the Christian Church of your choice.

N

Jeanie's picture
Jeanie 10 years 14 weeks ago
#3

Maxrot, I was just thinking that as I was walking into work (after listening to Stephanie Miller about this same issue). I must be channeling you. Stop controlling my mind!

DRichards's picture
DRichards 10 years 14 weeks ago
#4

Re: The Koran teaches terrorism

"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." Joshua 6:21

"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded." Joshua 10:40

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#5

Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.

Unless your a devout Christian, then you insinuate that Americans are to be dominated cowards.

Such notions are odious and devoid of rationality, that such religious leaders are not laughed out of the spot light only reveals the sheepole that permeate our society now.

"Give me liberty or give me..... something I can pretend is liberty, just don't hurt me!"

ODIOUS!

N

dstierm 10 years 14 weeks ago
#6

It strikes me as ironic that the same fundamentalist Christians who claim 'In God we trust' are so insecure that they fear being separated from their firearms.

DRichards's picture
DRichards 10 years 14 weeks ago
#7

Re: Jefferson

Not that I agree with those who "quoted" Jefferson, but to be honest; we need to keep in mind that our founding fathers overthrew a government. It seems to me that our founding fathers wished that we would be ever vigilant least we would eventually loose the freedom that they fought and died for.

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DRichards 10 years 14 weeks ago
#8

Re: so insecure that they fear being separated from their firearms.

Laws are only for the law abiding. The lawless dismiss laws. It seems to me that the founding fathers knew that they would never have thrown off the tyranny of the British if it were not for their arms, and thus they preserved the right to bear arms. What is the first thing a tyranny does to overthrow it's population, but to disarm them. I think the founding fathers knew the nature of "man", and so they did not exempt the government they created from the corruption of men.

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Jeanie 10 years 14 weeks ago
#9

It was Utah, not Minnesota. State workers released the private info for a large list of immigrants, most of whom were probably here illegally, but not all, to the media and law enforcement. The list included things like addresses and due dates for pregnant women.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-utah-immigrati...

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RandyWinn 10 years 14 weeks ago
#10

Cary Lucas is just a silly-dilly. Big Business drives out small business and cuts wages, so the workers can't afford a decent living.

Ms. Lucas has a nice job and is divorced from reality.

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Inspiraven 10 years 14 weeks ago
#11

Where did you find this Carrie Lukas person? The mall? Seems to me thats where all her opinions were formed. Walking through the mall (as a young teen-ager) forming all her ideas of how economics work. I'm all for consumerism, and it costs me less at the check out counter. Must be good for everyone!

ugh.

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#12

Thom, I need to correct you. The word is not Christianists; the correct word is KKKhristians. This word encompasses racists and Christians.

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jimmycrackedcorn225 10 years 14 weeks ago
#13

That's typical of the libertarian right. They are generally completely displaced from reality. Case in point, she states (in so many words) that people are able to buy TVs for less now than in the 50s, because of big box retailers, and outsourcing of jobs. Really, Miss Lucas? Technological advancement had nothing to do with it? We only have Wal-Mart to thank for our ability to get cheap TVs? If all TVs were purchased from a local retailer, I'm sure the costs would not be markedly different, but the individuals purchasing the TVs would have much more money to do so. Lower prices also mean lower wages, Mrs. Lucas- on both sides of the deal.

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Jeanie 10 years 14 weeks ago
#14

If Wal-Mart is not a monopoly, how come it drives out smaller businesses? How come no one can compete with it? Stores like Costco aren't really the same as Wal-Mart. Costco sells large quantities of food and things. And I hope Ms. Lucas doesn't think that Wal-Mart has any kind of quality associated with its products. You get what you pay for.

(And what was her comparison of tvs made 20 years ago with tvs now supposed to prove, other than technology got better?)

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Chomps84 10 years 14 weeks ago
#15

If workers at Old Navy (and similar stores) are indeed "just happy to have a job," despite low pay and no benefits, it's only because Reaganomics and de-regulation have allowed companies to take what were formerly good-paying jobs with benefits overseas. If there were enough decent paying jobs with benefits for everyone who is willing and able to work, no one would be happy working for the low wages paid by Wal-Mart and other retailers.

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Chomps84 10 years 14 weeks ago
#16

Agreed - it's much too easy for people with stable, well-paying jobs with benefits to say it's okay for people to support themselves with Wal-Mart's wages and that those people are "just happy to have a job."

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gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#17

@Inspiraven, Thom is an equal opportunity host for the dummying down of certain guests on his show.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#18

Carrie Lukas seems to be very adept at missing the point.

Thom keeps explaining how more smaller business means more jobs at higher pay.

Her answer, the people working for the big chains are just happy to have a job.

WTF, WTF, WTF.

She not only misses the point, her counter-point is even more infuriating. If there are more smaller business out there, there are more places to work and therefore a higher likelihood that I would be able to find I job I like, instead of I would like to find a job.

I think she's reasonabley intelligent, but in reality I think she gets such a pass at explaining her point of view to her side, she's effectively dumbed herself down. Just shows a complete lack of the practice of critical thinking on her part. Now I understand why Thom debates conservatives on a usual basis, it keeps his wits as sharp as a razor.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#19

I'll be happy to pay 5% more for my super mega TV if my wages are to be increased by 20%, hell that's a stupendous deal, I'd even pay 50% more for that same TV with my wage increased at 20%, I'm still making out like a bandit. So long as food and shelter price increases don't overcome my wage increase, I'm going to get wealthier. (So long as I don't go out and buy a new TV every year).

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#20

Someday Wal-Mart will die off, for the .99 Cent Store Chain is much cheaper there. (You get what you pay for, but heck a dollar a piece, I'll just get five of them). By Carrie's reasoning it will be an even better world then.

N

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Dan4liberty 10 years 14 weeks ago
#21

It’s not only free trade deals. In 1975 Gerald Ford passed the Consumers Goods Pricing Act, which started the ability of retailers and traders to control prices, and take the right of producers to control prices away. Later the Reagan administration stopped enforcing the Sherman antitrust act in 1981 and hasn’t been enforced since then, which if had been enforced in previous years we wouldn’t had needed the Pricing Act. The results of this have created monopolies that are controlling their sectors, as in Wal-Mart to Proctor and Gamble, keeping small companies from growing and creating jobs. From 1940 to 1998 we had a jobs growth of 20% every decade, and since then we have had 0% jobs growth every decade, but small businesses declined as the monopolies grew. Libertarians should be for the Sherman antitrust act and the second New Deal that stood up for the citizen’s rights to create small businesses that wouldn’t be monopolized reducing jobs growth, anther right to liberty, jobs.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#22

Is it racism to be against a particular religion? I can understand applying words such as prejudiced, supremacist, xenophobic, etc... but as I understand race is based on a groups' biological similarities, not their beliefs.

However, I do understand that the bottom line, Palin is wrapping herself into a blanket of fear and hate and is touting the comfort of it to others that cling to such warped idealism.

N

observer13's picture
observer13 10 years 14 weeks ago
#23

Local Economy vs. WalMart

Poor Sam Walton must be turning in his grave at how his American compnay has been corrupted.

Poor Carrie Lucas must be young giver her naivite about business and the effects of governmental regulations and 'monopolistic' behavior of our corportations.

In the 1980's I had a thriving small business with 13 employees. The invasion of Made in Taiwan and Pres. Reagn's change in the tax laws forced many a small mom and pop business to close their doors.I was paying $10-15.00 an hour in 1984, pretty good. I could afford to take care of all of my families needs. Today I work in customer service and make 20.00 an hour. Thank goodness my children are smart and motivated, they were able to put themselves through school. My wife now works, we are comfortable but have little extra money.

We avoid the chain stores, if possible, even though it costs more, because we feel stongly that that is the security and future of this country!

Poor Carrie needs to get out more and look at the consequences of havin gto buy forgien made products!

observer13's picture
observer13 10 years 14 weeks ago
#24

Rethinking the Afgahn economy.

Why do we support the poppy lords?

We could replace this production with a strong and vibrant local Afghan economy. The Afghans could be making rope, clothing, high quality papers, lubricants, and more. They only need to replace poppies with the very easy to grow and harvest hemp.

Hey we could do the very same here in the good ol' USA. Start creating local economies, making jobs, creating security: hemp is easy to grow requiring no chemicals, little water, and is easy to process into paper, clothing, and oils.

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Dan4liberty 10 years 14 weeks ago
#25

Carrie Lucas is a Milton Friedman parrot. She read an economics book and now regurgitates the propaganda, but has never run a business. Typical working class elite Republican who thinks capitlism is for the rich not for the middle class. Liberty is not low everyday prices, but it is the right to open a business and not have it run out of business by transnational monopolies.

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ottomine 10 years 14 weeks ago
#26

FYI for Carey Lukas, the last time I was at Dillards, I asked the sales clerk if there were any clothes for sale that isn't made in China. She said no. Also I looked for Free the Racoon from Ben Nelson's Head and couldn't find it. As Nebraskans - we would love to join. Hi to Denny & Jan in Marysville, WA

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chuckle8 10 years 14 weeks ago
#27

#21 Dan4Liberty Have you read (studied) Ravi Batra's book "Greenspan Fraud"? I believe the creation in jobs after Reagan introduced his tax structure was the increase in private debt (people using their homes as ATMs etc.). One of the key factors in my thinking is the statistic that the median (or average since they are about the same for the distribution of wages) wage tracked productivity until 1980. After the Reagan tax cuts wages flattened out.

I think the only solution to our economic woes is to roll back the Reagan tax cuts for those making more than 250K. To make our economy grow we should also roll back the Johnson/Kennedy tax cuts. I think this is the approach based on the work of Larry Beinhart.

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RandyWinn 10 years 14 weeks ago
#28

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." -- Buckminster Fuller

Dan4liberty's picture
Dan4liberty 10 years 14 weeks ago
#29

Hemp could be grown and used for fuel. Why not pay the Afghans to convert their poppy crops to hemp and buy it from them for use as ethanol until they build their own ethanol plant which we could help fund and do. Seems to me right now we're just building a military state by converting their use of AK47s to M16s so we can sell them our weapons. I have sent my Congressmen emails why we don't do something like this and got one reply back a couple of weeks ago.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 10 years 14 weeks ago
#30

The ol' gut, feed phallus and hang trick eh. Those crazy Afgahns, they just love to make a show of their former leaders.

N

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Dan4liberty 10 years 14 weeks ago
#31

I have read Ravi Batra's book The Golden Age, and believe he is correct in his assessment. But the trade deals made back in 1947 and 1948, GATT, started us down the road of Free Trade, and the draining of our manufacturing. By 1972 our Trade deficit started to get out of balanced, and wages started stagnating and downward. It was the beginning of the assault on the middle class and by the time 80's came, people were ready for change. But what they got was more of the same by Reagan because credit was made easy for the American people and the government. Deficits don't matter. .........................The warrior era is coming.........

harry ashburn 10 years 14 weeks ago
#32

re: #5: "Give me Liberty or...584 channels"!

DRichards's picture
DRichards 10 years 14 weeks ago
#33

re: "Give me Liberty or...584 channels"!

Clay Jenkinson of the Thomas Jefferson Hour said much the same. We have become complacent.

http://www.jeffersonhour.org/

Benjamin Franklin said "A Republic, if we can keep it".

Dan Druff 10 years 14 weeks ago
#34

American Conservative Union? I thought conservatives hated unions. The moment I heard Joe Sestak mention it I had to hop on.

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Gene Savory 10 years 14 weeks ago
#35

Trickle down is absolutely granting fealty to the wealthy; we sit like dogs under the dinner table hoping to get a scrap - to grovel for something the wealthy don't want. Such a deal!

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Dan4liberty 10 years 14 weeks ago
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If you liked this book, read Cornered by Barry Lynn, and really get a detailed analysis of what has happened in our economy due to both sides not enforcing antitrust laws because the monopolists have taken control of our Congressmen. We have a corporate controlled government and no one seems to care..........................because they're getting low prices. I'm starting to hear working class Republicans starting to complain about the unemployment and soon they'll be with the rest of us, ready for real change.

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gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#39

The military group in Central Florida has the articles and the goods on Obama, the Grand Experiment, that has failed Americans miserably.

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gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#40

**Reflection of the Week** "As long as you have something to look forward to, a little glimmer of hope, you can move on. But this just drained everything out of us." -- Councilman Jay LaFont of Grand Isle, Louisiana

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gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#41

An Open Letter to Thom’s Listeners

I had to correct Thom on his use of the word, Christianists. The more appropriate word is KKKhristians to encompass racists and Christians, such as racist Christians. This is a more appropriate word in our country. The word does a good job of summarizing the vast majority of American thinking.

Christianity is not the religion of the United States of Where Shit Rises to the Top. Our country’s religion is Bushianity. Bushianity is a religion where Numb Nut Americans honor and worship Bush II.

The word, Christianity, should be abolished in America and replaced with the word, Xianity, because in the United States of Satan’s Disciples the word, Xianity, has God as an unknown factor. Numb Nut Americans do not really know God or Jesus Christ. They are unknown to the Numb Nut American psyche.

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gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#42

IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT BARACK H. OBAMA FOR WAR CRIMES

Whereas Barack H. Obama is Commander In Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces and the head of the Executive Branch of the U.S. government; and,

Whereas the illegal U.S. invasion, bombing and occupation of Iraq initiated by the Bush administration continues under the Obama administration; and,

Whereas the U.S. government is currently engaged in illegal wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and Obama has pledged to increase the number of military personnel and the amount of tax dollars spent on the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan; and,

Whereas the U.S. military has used and continues to use depleted uranium munitions, cluster bombs and white phosphorous in densely populated areas in violation of U.S. and international laws and treaties prohibiting the indiscriminate killing of civilians; and,

Whereas the Geneva Conventions specifically prohibit the use of especially injurious weapons and materials that cause unnecessary harm by remaining active and deadly after a battle and over large areas of land; and,

Whereas a large number of babies born in Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from illness and deformity like Down's syndrome, weak hearts, severe disfigurement and brain damage that doctors believe are caused by the U.S. military's massive and widespread use of toxic and radioactive materials; and,

Whereas millions upon millions of Iraqi, Afghani and Pakistani civilians have been killed, maimed, poisoned and displaced from their homes as a direct result of the U.S.'s ongoing, illegal acts of war; and,

Whereas illegal, immoral and counterproductive detainee torture and brutalization at the hands of the U.S. military's Immediate Reaction Force continue at Guantanamo under the Obama administration; and,

Whereas Obama is an accessory after the fact for obstructing justice by not initiating an investigation into numerous and blatant U.S. war crimes committed by the Bush administration for which it is manifestly accountable under the rule of law; and,

Whereas Veterans For Peace supported the impeachment of Bush/Cheney for the same war crimes that are now being committed by Obama in violation of the U.S. Constitution, U.S. federal laws, the United Nations Charter, the Hague Convention, the Geneva Conventions, The United Nations Convention Against Torture and the Nuremberg Tribunal Charter; and,

Whereas Veterans For Peace is committed to its stated mission to restrain our government from intervening, overtly or covertly, in the internal affairs of other nations, to seek justice for veterans and victims of war, to increase public awareness of the costs of war, and to abolish war as an instrument of national policy; and, therefore be it

Resolved that Veterans For Peace calls on the U.S. House of Representatives to immediately begin impeachment proceedings against Barack H. Obama for failure to uphold his sworn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies foreign and domestic, and for his commission of war crimes, crimes against humanity, obstruction of justice and the violation of numerous national and international laws, treaties and conventions.

Note: This resolution to call for the Impeachment of President Barack H. Obama for War Crimes was debated, voted on, and approved by the members of the Central Florida chapter of Veterans for Peace on 7 July 2009.

I, Cindy Sheehan, endorsed this call, as did my organization, Peace of the Action.

I, Gerald, agree with Cindy.

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 14 weeks ago
#43

Obama, as president, has been the failed Grand Experiment.

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Because we don't have a right to vote, red state governors can radically cut back on the number of polling places and voting machines so that working class people are forced to stand in line for five, six, in some cases 10 hours to vote.
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