Daily Topics - Tuesday July 6th, 2010

Quote of the Day: "It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." --Thomas Jefferson

Hour One: What the hell is really going on in the Gulf? Photographer/filmmaker/Waterkeeper Alliance member John Wathen talks about what he's seen and filmed http://creekkeeper.blogspot.com; Plus, reporter Mac McLelland of Mother Jones Magazine http://motherjones.com

Hour Two: If we teach global warming in the public schools, should we also teach about Armageddon? Thom has a rumble with Dr. Jay Richards of the Discovery Institute www.discovery.org

Hour Three: How do we break the Republican strangle hold on the Presidency? Thom challenges attorney Tara Ross, author of Enlightened Democracy www.taraross.com; Plus...Rob Richie, Executive Director of The Center for Voting and Democracy will be here www.fairvote.org

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rladlof's picture
rladlof 10 years 16 weeks ago
#1

Signs of my good work . . . Bringing it home to Blue Shield of California:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Blue-Shield-of-California/111833408833168?v=stream&ref=ts

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rladlof 10 years 16 weeks ago
#2

"The Jatravartid People of Viltvodle Six firmly believe that the entire universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called The Great Green Arkleseizure. They live in perpetual fear of the time they call The Coming Of The Great White Handkerchief."

The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams

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rladlof 10 years 16 weeks ago
#3

OMFG!!! How may times do I have to type that there is NO (Nada, none, zero, zip) “Bobby” Jindal anywhere in the known, unknown or unknown that is unknown omniverse. There is only an insane exorcist and noted-anchor-baby Piyush Jindal . . . who sits in the Louisiana Governor’s chair . . . sometimes.

harry ashburn 10 years 16 weeks ago
#4

re: #3: I assume Louisiana is not located within the known omniverse. Or, if it is, it won't be for long.

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 10 years 16 weeks ago
#5

You are right on this one Thom, if a certain religion takes issue with a concept I am teaching, why the hell do I have to interrupt the class, and start teaching what that one religion has a problem with what I do.

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Foodfascist 10 years 16 weeks ago
#6

And how the hell am I supposed to be responsible for staying up to date on what that one religion thinks, in the 50's the Catholic Pope, along with the Jesuits, had no problem with teaching evolution. 'Ye who shall have so little faith.' - The Christ

harry ashburn 10 years 16 weeks ago
#7

re: #6 the Gods tell me; don't they tell you?

harry ashburn 10 years 16 weeks ago
#8

No, they tell me they don't!

harry ashburn 10 years 16 weeks ago
#9

"I can smell the Gulf of Mexico from my house!" - harry ashburn

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Jo Jo 10 years 16 weeks ago
#10

Christian Groups: Biblical Armageddon Must Be Taught Alongside Global Warming

The Onion has this topic covered! If we teach global warming in the public schools, should we also teach about Armageddon

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gerald 10 years 16 weeks ago
#11

Theology

Theology is the study of God. I do not claim to be a scholar in the study of God. I do enjoy reflecting on God and His mysterious ways. We know that the United States of Hell is a hell-hole and a rat-hole. Numb Nuts, aka Americans, love to waste God’s natural and human resources. The bottom line is the United States of Hell’s god. Money is god in our Numb Nut nation.

We have destroyed countries with the help of England and Israel like Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Haiti, Pakistan, Lebanon, and Syria. In our destruction of these countries we love to kill God’s children and to maim His children.

The Gulf of Mexico oil spill is of epoch proportions. The Valdez oil spill still has problems. The oil spill in the Gulf is ten times worse and we cannot really expect a return of beauty to this area in about two hundred and fifty years. By 2260 our Gulf area will be pristine.

This oil spill is God working in mysterious ways. The evil, vile, and wicked ways of the United States of Hell are now feeling God’s wrath upon our hell-hole and rat-hole nation. Numb Nuts, you should never turn your back on God. God has created Earth for all His children share in her gifts of beauty, natural resources, and the wonders of our planet. We should be good stewards of our planet.

Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 10 years 16 weeks ago
#12

Polar equal weight

President Barack Obama said the media will tell you that one side says there are death panels and the other side does not; what the media does not tell you is that there are no death panels.

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 16 weeks ago
#13

A good place to test our many nuclear research projects would be in the Gulf of Mexico. Let us nuke the whole area!!!

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Jeanie 10 years 16 weeks ago
#14

I went to Discovery.org and they clearly hold right-wing views on every topic, including teaching evolution in schools. They go to great lengths to show that they are really only trying to "teach the contraversy" (http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=dow...) but much of their thrust is about Intelligent Design and how come it can't be taught, regardless of what the guest just mentioned. It is all about wanting to teach religion in schools.

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 16 weeks ago
#15

I do not live near the Gulf of Mexico but I can smell the stench of it from corrupt American corporations, BP, Halliburton, and Trans Ocean companies.

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gerald 10 years 16 weeks ago
#16

I do not have enough time in my life to worry about creationism and evolutionism. All these Isms are wedge issues in politics.

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DRichards 10 years 16 weeks ago
#17

Ken Wilber, in his book Integral Spirituality states that 70% of the world's population is stuck at the magical/mystic stage of spirituality.

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Gene Savory 10 years 16 weeks ago
#18

There is an island off the coast of India that has never been explored by any other than their own tribes. People who have tried were met at the shore with arrows and stones and driven away. Can't find the text right now.

harry ashburn 10 years 16 weeks ago
#19

re: #17:WOW! that's what my guardian angel says!

harry ashburn 10 years 16 weeks ago
#20

re: # 18: Manhattan?

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Gene Savory 10 years 16 weeks ago
#21

Any technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic.

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Jeanie 10 years 16 weeks ago
#22

Creationists demand to see proof of evolution in order to believe it--if species change, then how come we don't see an elephant with a tiger's head (although I'm pretty sure that's not the way evolution works). So I ask, what about angels? After all, people with wings? If that's how they define evolution, then that should be their proof. Now can we teach it in schools?

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Gene Savory 10 years 16 weeks ago
#23

re #20 Isn't there a limit to the number of smart asses that can log in here?

rladlof's picture
rladlof 10 years 16 weeks ago
#24

What if the story is about a group of folk being embarrassed that they may or may not have hung up a distant relative of my fellow tribe members up on a hunk of wood . . . AND perpetrated upon all of us by a Roman tax-collector who as ticked off about not being able to marry a Jewish gal after converting . . . THEN the tax-collector spliced a death-cult fantasy on the back of the story too pump up tax revenues by having a sexier story in the frame of other Roman religions (Taxes in Rome were donations to the city-state in the name of various deities) . . . .

harry ashburn 10 years 16 weeks ago
#25

re:#23; c'mon, you're just mad 'cause you didn;t think of it!

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 16 weeks ago
#26

Read Kitzmiller v. Dover School Board for some very stupid behavior by creationists. Even the Discovery Institute didn't think the Board's decision to teach "Intellegent design" was what they were hoping for.

So, who created the designer?

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 16 weeks ago
#27
Jeanie's picture
Jeanie 10 years 16 weeks ago
#28

I hate when people accuse you of being anti-Semitic because you have an ounce of criticism of something the israeli government has done. Like being accused of being anti-American if you have criticism of something a Republican president promotes, such as torture. And it's always said when you have an opinion that supports rights, civil liberties, and humanity. Funny how that works.

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Maxrot 10 years 16 weeks ago
#29

@Gene, harry has no limits, especially when it comes to such commentary.

N

rladlof's picture
rladlof 10 years 16 weeks ago
#30

Thank you, Jeanie, for going Lack-o-Discovery.LIE, so we won’t have to . . .

@FoodFascist: Blue Shield of California won’t even let me see my death panel cuz they feel the need to nuke Cedar-Sinai off their rolls cuz the President & CEO needs his bonus!

harry ashburn 10 years 16 weeks ago
#31

yeah! its a government, not a church.

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 16 weeks ago
#32

We have finally arrived at our manifest destiny!!!

http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=114731

rladlof's picture
rladlof 10 years 16 weeks ago
#33

Jeanie, I won’t criticize you for critiquing Israel . . . I may mention the capitalization of proper nouns in the American dialect of the English Language though . . .

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 16 weeks ago
#34

Let me try again!

http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=114731

If this article does not link, it is an article by Garry Reed, "Don't kid yourself, it's a police state." Opednews.com carried the article over the July 4th weekend.

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 16 weeks ago
#35
Foodfascist's picture
Foodfascist 10 years 16 weeks ago
#36

See the beautiful woman those bizarre Iraqi leaders are going to stone to death- where is Hillary

Clinton?

Her crime?

Adultery – a crime she only confessed to after being lashed 99 times.

She later retracted her confession and asked forgiveness from the court but was denied clemency. After all as a woman her testimony is only worth half that of a man’s under Iranian law. Ashtiani has now been in prison for 5 years awaiting her execution.

As the punishment stands, Ashtiani faces being buried up to her chest, then having stones hurled at her -- stones large enough to cause pain, but not large enough to kill her immediately. As is often the case with stoning sentences, the day of her execution is kept secret until the very last minute adding to the suffering the victim and their families endure.

Ashtiani is not alone. According to Amnesty International, "The majority of those sentenced to death by stoning are women, who suffer disproportionately from such punishment," the human rights group said in a 2008 report.

http://www.care2.com/causes/womens-rights/blog/stop-the-stoning-human-rights-activist-calls-for-international-effort-to-ban-practice-of-stoning/

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Maxrot 10 years 16 weeks ago
#37

I agree with your sentiment Jeanie, I feel that when people take a criticism of a faction of a groups actions as evidence of the critics obvious prejudice of the group is nothing more than a dishonest distraction of trying to demean the criticism and critic while offering nothing substantial to counter the criticism. It happens all the time, I think its why there is such support for bomb Islamic people in the name of "The War On Terror" here in America. Its easier to just lump the whole group together and kill them all, then to recognize that there are several factions within the religion and associated countries governed by the Islamic faith.

N

Gene Savory's picture
Gene Savory 10 years 16 weeks ago
#38

@Harry: I actually laughed when I read that.

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 16 weeks ago
#39

@Foodfascist, the stoning of women will be common practice in our Numb Nut nation within five or ten years. The stoning of women will be in an arena similar to gladiators killing Christians during the Roman Era. Sundays will be the day for the stoning of women. Americans are always trying to create new ways to enjoy themselves in the killing of God's children.

DRichards's picture
DRichards 10 years 16 weeks ago
#40

FoodFascist

Re: Stoning

Yes, it is a cruel "God" that serves those people.

harry ashburn 10 years 16 weeks ago
#41

@Gerald, no, no, you've got it wrong. Its just a new show on FOX.

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mathboy 10 years 16 weeks ago
#43

The biggest problem with the electoral college is the unit rule. If we disallowed that, there would be a lot less argument against it.

If you want have a popular vote, but also keep federalism, you could get rid of the idea of electoral votes and instead have the state simply report to the Senate the number of votes each candidate got.

Something that really should be changed about the Presidential election is having the House of Representatives vote by states. That part's just stupid.

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DRichards 10 years 16 weeks ago
#44

Re BP as a convicted Felon

In many states a convicted felon looses their right to vote. If a corporation "votes" with their money, then shouldn't a corporation convicted of a felon loose their right to buy votes thru lobbying, political contributions, ect.?

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sugarchai 10 years 16 weeks ago
#46

What is it that the Creationists don't get about metaphor? Truth is not the same as accuracy. Neils Bohr said that the opposite of a fact is a falsehood, but the opposite of a truth is often another even deeper truth.

sugarchai's picture
sugarchai 10 years 16 weeks ago
#47

Whenever you think you have all the answers, it's time to look for better questions!

gerald's picture
gerald 10 years 16 weeks ago
#48

@harry ashburn, you are probably right. Fox would truly get their jollies from the entertainment in the stoning of women.

Jeanie's picture
Jeanie 10 years 16 weeks ago
#49

Isn't California a large textbook market?

Jeanie's picture
Jeanie 10 years 16 weeks ago
#50

"Fox would truly get their jollies from the entertainment in the stoning of women."

Only liberal women.

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