Daily Topics - Wednesday December 29th, 2010

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Hour One: Is it true that conservatives are wired to be afraid? Thom has a rumble with Dan Gainor of the Business and Media Institute - www.businessandmedia.org

Hour Two: On the 120th anniversary of the Wounded Knee Massacre...how did a country founded in theft/slavery and genocide rise to become the moral leader of the world...and how do we recover that status after Bush's presidency? Thom speaks with Chief Frank John King of the Rosebud Sioux tribe - www.nationalnativemedia.com

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rladlof 13 years 30 weeks ago

Recessivists hope for what the sane and sober progressives would consider a Dickensian nightmare . . .

Party on!

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Maxrot 13 years 30 weeks ago

So how does this 4 generation issue line up with WWI and WWII, it seems like there wasn't 80 years between the two to me.


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Maxrot 13 years 30 weeks ago

Hasn't conflict and war always been present in every generation? I mean if you start from the American Revolution, then you have the French Revolution, the Napoleonic Wars and the American war of 1812, the conquest of the the Spanish territories in Western America, the Crimean War, the American Civil War, Bismark of Germanies wars of German unification from Denmark, Austria and finally France, the Boer War, the Spanish American War, the Russian-Japanese War, the Turkish massacres of its minority citizens at the turn of the 19th century through to the 1920's (at least), WWI then WWII, Korea, Vietnam.... that's off the top of my head, and as far as I can tell, those are each major conflicts in every generation since the founding of America. War and confict just seems to accompany mankind like background noise, if you look hard enough (well not even all that hard), its always there.

Perhaps there is more of a generational tie to economic situations (booms and busts), but I don't know if I can be convinced that generations are more or less prone to War, it seems that all humankind is prone to War at any time.


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Maxrot 13 years 30 weeks ago

In reference to the caller about Chimps and Bonobos, the lesson is, make love not war?


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rladlof 13 years 30 weeks ago


Most historians feel that WW2 was just an extension of WW1. WW1 was adjudicated harshly and was the direct cause of the conditions that allowed Germany to start up aggressions again. Think of it as a very long, drawn-out, phase-shift.

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mathboy 13 years 30 weeks ago

I know Dan Gainor's trying to dismiss that study by saying that it had only 92 subjects, but that's not a terribly small study. It's nice when you can have thousands of subjects, but that's somewhat rare. By contrast, the paper that led to the autism-vaccine scare had only 12 subjects (and they were cherry-picked, and the doctor was getting paid to find a particular result, etc.).

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rladlof 13 years 30 weeks ago

Dr. Susan Blocks feels that way based upon her observations of the bonobos.

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mathboy 13 years 30 weeks ago

Um, Thom, Jimmy Carter wasn't President in 1976. Either you have the year wrong, or Gerald Ford is the one that let the Indians practice their tribal religions.

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rladlof 13 years 30 weeks ago

Clearing a Path: Theorizing the Past in Native American Studies [Paperback]

Nancy Shoemaker (Author)

Paperback: 224 pages

Publisher: Routledge; 1 edition (October 12, 2001)

Language: English

ISBN-10: 0415926750

ISBN-13: 978-0415926751

Product Dimensions: 8.8 x 6.5 x 0.7 inches

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Maxrot 13 years 30 weeks ago

@rladlof, I can agree in part about WWII being an extension of WWI, in a lot of ways Germany was provoked into it by the terms imposed upon it by the Allies. Some of the harshest of terms being championed by the French, who had the loudest voice at the table since it was their land that was most renowned for the war. I would say there is even an argument that if America had stayed out of the war, that the end of that war would have eventually ended in a draw, perhaps a year or two later than it did. But WWII didn't just involve the Europeans, there were major Asian countries at War, even prior to Germany invading Poland. Russia was hostile to its neighbors prior to Germany invading it, Finland and Poland can attest to that. Italy under Mussolini was acting aggressively too, though ineptly in Africa. The Spanish Civil War was a fascist war (a war Germany happily tested it weapons in) vs a Republic government.

All in all, yes you could make an argument that the two wars were really one, but I look at WWI as a War that dissolved the last vestiges of Royal Families powers in Europe. WWII was the War that decided what would replace those power vacuums. I don't think that could have happened without the end of WWI and then the building of the new experimental governments that took place after it. Basically I would say the near 20 year period between the wars was more than just a breather for Germany and Russia to regain their strength, it was a period of social upheaval throughout Europe, Russia and Asia because of the massive reworking of the world power structure brought on by WWI. I'd say there were definitive reasons why the wars were separate. Or on the flip side, I could make arguments as to why WWI was nothing more than the continuation of the Franco-Prussian War, since the French made alliances with as many countries it could against Germany and long nursed its grudge against Germany for the loss of the Alsace-Loraine regions of Eastern France in that war.

One of the major reasons why historians sort of lump WWI and WWII together though is because there wasn't the usual separation of time between major wars, there was little time to reflect upon the causes and results of it. A lot of documentation that is later sorted through years after such an event were lost to the second war. Now you done it, you got me babbling about WWI, sorry.

But anyway, it matters not, WWI was fought by the Lost Generation, and WWII was fought by the Greatest Generation (whatever that means) back to back generations, and that was my initial point to Thom, war doesn't seem to skip generations because of how it affected the prior generation.


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mathboy 13 years 30 weeks ago

I read somewhere, unfortunately I have no idea what book it was, that there are no longer any "Indians not taxed". So that provision of the Constitution is moot now.

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gerald 13 years 30 weeks ago

Normalcy Bias

Americans in the United States of Mortal Sin suffer from what is called – normalcy bias. Americans have never had to really suffer as other citizens in other countries. We will never or we can never learn. We will not listen. It may be naivete, ignorance, or outright arrogance. Americans tend to believe that nothing bad can happen to them. America’s collapse and destruction will be of epic proportions. Let us make no mistake that our manifest destiny is to die as a people and as a country.

Mtnmetis 13 years 30 weeks ago

Two topics of interest today that I caught intermittently. As a Turtle Mtn Band tribal member I hope that some mention was made of Leonard Peltier during your broadcast. Peltier's imprisonment has resulted in Amnesty International stating "there is concern about the fairness of the proceedings leading to his conviction and it is believed that political factors may have influenced the way the case was prosecuted." Secondly, I'm a School Psychologist and, over the course of my career, have heard teachers, parents and advocates call for diagnosing children under DSM (all editions) criteria, often with a resultant pressure to medicate. As I state, we qualify student's for SPED services under "educational" criteria and it has been my experience that often children with a presentation of (in particular) attentional difficulties may have some area(s) of processing difficulties that contribute to that presentation as well as affect ability to access instruction and curriculum. I met you a couple of years ago in Reno at the meeting sponsored by the Washoe Dems. I told you my reluctance to support a diagnosis of ADHD by other agencies that then expect the schools to immediately qualify a student for SPED services. I didn't get the impression that you thought too much of my point of view. I do cite your "Hunter in a Farmer's World" fairly often.

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making progress 13 years 30 weeks ago

Hooray for the "Think and Grow Rich" reference. What a great book!

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