Daiy Topics - Friday January 14th, 2010

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DRichards 12 years 3 weeks ago

Nader: Progressive-libertarian alliance ‘the most exciting new political dynamic’ in US... So how will this left-right alliance begin?

Nader suggested that it already has, thanks to the unity of Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), the most conservative and most liberal members of their respective chambers ...


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flotron9 12 years 3 weeks ago

Is anybody else having trouble getting a web-stream of progressive broadcasts today?

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Pretzelogic in ... 12 years 3 weeks ago

quick FYI - the "cat on a jury" story smells like a likely hoax (aside from the obvious) - the jury pools aren't drawn from Census data (which can't even legally be released for what, 75 years?). It has a certain "truthiness", though.

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mathboy 12 years 3 weeks ago

Thom, you pronounced Ophiuchus (the Serpent Bearer) correctly [OH-fee-OO-kuss]. I think your larger topic is precession of the equinoxes, which makes the sun appear in different zodiacal constellations at the same time of year over the course of about 26,000 years. Also, astrologers divide the zodiac into 12 exactly equal parts, whereas the International Astronomical Union has made its own borders for the constellations, and the result is that Ophiuchus pokes into the zodiac a little and the other 12 signs are uneven in how much of the time the Sun spends there.

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flotron9 12 years 3 weeks ago


I'm no astrologer, but Joe Friendly explained it to me as a function of humans being the only creatures whose birth season isn't governed by natural laws--instead, our birth times are governed by the whole universe's configuration.

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Pretzelogic in ... 12 years 3 weeks ago

If I'm not mistaken, I recall hearing a similar story a few years ago where a deer "shot" and killed a hunter... sounds like the critters are catching on.

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mathboy 12 years 3 weeks ago

Wow, this astrology caller is so misguided. He needs to explain why human physiology would be affected only at the moment of birth, why angle rather than distance means anything (since he's making the gravity argument), and I couldn't follow his argument about water because it's complete nonsense. Also, there is absolutely no investigation by astrologers to measure the forces described by the caller or verify any of their hypotheses about how those forces affect people.

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Pretzelogic in ... 12 years 3 weeks ago

Apparently, I used to be a Saggitarian, but now I'm just Ophiuched up... (sorry)


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Erik300 12 years 3 weeks ago

The ONLY way Astrology could be true is that the first month(s) of your life are affected by the season like length of day, general temperature and humidity and maybe the electromagnetics of the earth. For example, Capricorns which are born on the shortest days of the year do seem to be the most serious of all the signs.

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j.sea 12 years 3 weeks ago

It is an interactive Uni-Verse and "It" can and will communicate with you via any means available -- any means you are open to. The exact symbols do not matter. It is the process. It is called the process of consciousness awakening inside of matter, which is energy -- so we get energized consciousness; consciousness aware of its interactive and co-creative status.

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mathboy 12 years 3 weeks ago

Why is it so hard to find the Republican Party's charter, so that I can find out how about the internal workings of the party? I found the Democratic Party's charter so easily.

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flotron9 12 years 3 weeks ago

Ophiuched up ...

Thanks. That's a good one.

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flotron9 12 years 3 weeks ago

What he said ...

That's what I meant, I think...

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Cal A 12 years 3 weeks ago

Around 2000 years ago Hipparchus set up the zodiac into 12 equal signs of 30 degrees. Prior to that a zodiacal sign lasted anywhere from 15 to 45 days depending upon the size of the constellation. Hipparchus also noted that due to precession, the zodiac would have to be adjusted every 2100 years because in that amount of time, the zodiac would have shifted 30 degrees. He also noted that every 67 years the zodiac would shift by one whole day or one degree. Only the Vedic astrologers every took this into consideration. How Hipparchus figured all this out is still a mystery since who would notice a 1 degree shift in the period of a human life span?

So, this was not news to me since I studied this subject years ago.

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Erik300 12 years 3 weeks ago

In fact the season does affect the general psychology of the people/parents which could have an effect on the child. Capricorns are rather serious because they are the darkest months of the year which can have a big psychological effect on people/parents. The increasingly warm spring and longer days can have an optimistic effect effect on the parents. The other seasons would have other effects.

It would be interesting to see if the signs have an equal effect on people living SOUTH of the equator.

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Gene Savory 12 years 3 weeks ago

Come on, put away the dice and chicken bones.

Here's one you'll find in lots of gun advocate web sites: Warren v DC, in which the Supreme Court found that people do not have a right to expect protection from the police.

Here's one from Gun Owners of America: http://gunowners.org/sk0503.htm

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neonblue2 12 years 3 weeks ago

So enjoy listening to the Thom Hartmann Show and Ed Shultz, but I am so tired of needing to be attached to my computer all of the time in order to listen. I call and email my local radio stations constantly requesting those two shows--to no avail! We have nothing but right wing radio on the airwaves here. There is no balance in perspective, and all of the local television news stations are nothing more than evening magazines. They cover virtually minimal national news. Between the fires, traffic accidents, shootings, the traffic reports, the medical reports, the consumer reports, the animal abuse & child abuse stories, the twice a half hour weather reports, and the huge amount of time dedicated to sports, etc., one would never know our country is falling apart. What can we, as average people, do to get something other than right wing hate talkers on the local radio airwaves?

We had "one" local personality who called herself the "Lone Liberal" who has been basically blackballed from the airwaves in our area. The radio station she used to appear on is now totally right wing hate talk. As soon as she appeared on another station, a "Christian Group" came in and actually bought the radio station. What can we do?

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mathboy 12 years 3 weeks ago

Conception wouldn't matter in astrology if you're going to make a gravitational argument. Gravitational acceleration would be meaningless because everything around is accelerated the same. What would make (ever so slightly) more sense is a tidal effect. But tide strength is proportional to the size of the object that suffers the tides (because it's the effect of gravity difference on opposite sides of the object). Of course, even the pressure of passing through a birth canal is zillions of times more force than the tide Jupiter would cause on you.

And Ophiuchus is still a constellation. I don't know why that caller said it was "removed".

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Pretzelogic in ... 12 years 3 weeks ago

good question neonblue -

I wish I had a good answer. Sounds like the situation here in Philly, which, as a big blue Eastern city you might think would have a natural audience for such things...


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mathboy 12 years 3 weeks ago

Neon Blue 2, if you had a smart phone, you might be able to listen through the website with that, then you'd just have to carry your phone around. I don't have a smart phone myself, so I can't say whether the battery would drain too fast, etc.

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egeller 12 years 3 weeks ago

The zodiac is based on earth seasons NOT the constellations. Here a pasted bit from www.StarIq.com, from astrologers Rick Levine & Jeff Jawer

A story is going around stating that the signs of the zodiac astrologers use are wrong. This is not true. The signs have been based on the seasons, not the constellations, for over 2000 years. The source at the Minnesota Planetarium Society that put out this statement is either ignorant or intentionally misleading. Please contact the organization at help@minnesotaplanetarium.org or 612-659-6222 to request a retraction.

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Erik300 12 years 2 weeks ago

Neon Blue-maybe you could find some Progressive businessmen that would promise to heavily advertise on a progresive radio station. Here in Portland we have a few that heavily advertise on KPOJ. One is an green-type auto repair and another is a Prius dealership and a couple others. The Auto repair guy has one minute ads where he rails against he RW corporatocracy. Actually he has some of the best Progressive essays/rants I've ever heard. http://tomdwyer.com/kpoj/5-newest-kpoj-spots/ Maybe he could sell them to some of your local businessmen!

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