Deathers are Demanding the Long-Form Corpse

The White House has released some new details about Bin Laden’s death. He was reportedly unarmed when SEALs raided the compound and shot and killed him. Initial reports that he used his wife as a human shield are untrue. On the decision to kill Bin Laden instead of take him alive - White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said, “There was concern that bin Laden would oppose the capture operation and indeed he resisted.” After the body was thoroughly identified – it was taken out to the North Arabian Sea – placed in a white sheet and weighted bag – and slid into the waters as religious remarks were read.

CIA Director Leon Panetta announced yesterday that it's likely that the photos of Bin Laden – which have been described as “gruesome” - will be released for the public to see, although there's a debate in the White House being led by Hillary Clinton that release of the photos is unnecessary and could further inflame religious extremists in the Middle East.

And, she notes, the deathers will likely be unsatisfied with pictures anyway – they’re demanding the long-form corpse.

See my interview with Alex Jones (What's Alex Jones Smoking - Bin Laden Rescue a Fake?!) Check it out - HERE


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making progress 13 years 7 weeks ago

The fact that Bin Laden was in an area amply populated by the very Pakistani military and intelligence forces that we have armed, and that should have been able to easily nab him, proves the lie of the claim that Afghanistan is vital territory to be secured in what two administrations have now chosen to define as the war on terrorism. - Robert Scheer

A Monster of Our Own Creation

We, as a country, have become the monster that we are attempting to fight.

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making progress 13 years 7 weeks ago

Thom you said Bin Ladin was already dead. You've done several segments on your show about it and you've even said yourself that you believed him to be dead. Are You Going To Walk That One Back? Come on Thom, it takes a big man to admit when he is wrong.

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RLM8 13 years 7 weeks ago

This is a perfect example in the contrast between the last administration and the Obama


. The last administration had more leaks than old rowboat. Information used to come out of The White House to settle political scores and gain advantage. That was when government was run like a corp. and Fox news was a part of the family.

It would be refreshing to see classified information stay classified. And the American government act with dignity and self-interest. Donald Trump is carrying water for the GOP. He is going to say and do things that other serious candidates will not. Fox news will try to drag this administration into their realm of questionable information and behavior. I hope they do not fall for it.

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RLM8 13 years 7 weeks ago

When the American government was run like a corporation. It turned out to be a financial disaster. I am hopeful. Now the government will not fall for sensational soundbites and stay focused on the United States. America's priorities!

lilac 13 years 7 weeks ago

Sec of State Clinton is absolutely right.

primarydoc 13 years 7 weeks ago

It would be very helpful to everyone if you could provide dates and links to Hartmann saying so.

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nemediaoc 13 years 7 weeks ago

It is ironic how sterile war is for daily weekly photos of dead soldiers coffins, how many people including women and children have been murdered in drone strikes? Does killing Bin Laden justify the this activity. Lets see photos or film of this mass killing that continues on a daily basis. Does Bin Ladens death justify the double down on Bush policies abroad and at home. The trick is to sterilize and desensitize that’s how to keep occupations indefinite.

TimFromLA 13 years 7 weeks ago

If the Deathers are demanding photos of a dead bin Laden, then in turn, we should demand the deather to show us a photo of Dick Cheney's heart and George W. Bush's brain

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amy1313 13 years 7 weeks ago

If Osama bin Laden was killed under Bush's administration, would progressives and democrats not be screaming for some kind of "proof"...accusing them of shannigans and trying to influence the upcoming election etc. Of course they would, as would I being a Progressive. Not everyone who has questions Thom is a birther/deather. Our convictions should be held regardless of left or right, Bush or Obama. Accountability needs to be demanded regardless. I am fine with the administration's decision not to release the photos of a dead bin Laden. But to belittle and dismiss people who are asking questions as being crazy unhinged birthers/deathers is hypocritical to say the least.

mildicktater 13 years 7 weeks ago

To the deathers and Thom: If this whole Bin Laden killing was a false story, they would have had to had the cooperation of the 25 Navy Seals and I doubt very much anyone is going to concoct a story with that many people who could tell us the truth of the matter. Anything else does not make any sense. I do have a question, however, and that is: Where is the concrete proof Osama Bin Laden was the mastermind behind 9-11?

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irishdave3 13 years 7 weeks ago

What, she believes the Merkin Peeps can't "handle the truth" in pictorial form? You are correct, Hilary is absolutely right....wing...including the theory that "we" shouldn't see the consequences of our Hit Squad's activities. Number 1...with a bullet!

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gus 13 years 7 weeks ago

Jones dude called it..."he kicked ur butt" Thom.

You failed. Got schooled. And tried to change the subject. Several times. That was ugly.

And ur show....It is getting bad. I heard this Jones fool is on around the same time. I don't like him. Rude, crude, and foolish too. But not as foolish as being an Obamapologist. Every. Day.

I hope you get better. Soon.

dianhow 13 years 7 weeks ago

US has its problems but we are good people who work hard -raise families .and do for others. Yes US foreign policy stinks HAs for many years .The Real momster is dead One who burned 3000 people alive. He can now meet his 10000 virgins

Bravo to our brave Seals & Obama for showing strong leadership skills and guts . USA will overcome

dianhow 13 years 7 weeks ago

Love that one Thanks

dianhow 13 years 7 weeks ago

Gus Get real Thom has criticized Obama so many times . But when Obama does good - then he deserves credit for his leadership & guts and making the right call at right time. BRAVO

gwiech 13 years 7 weeks ago

Jones doesn't understand the interview format. He threw out non-verifiable "fact" after non-verifiable fact and filibustered about nothing every time Thom asked him a question. It was classic Michelle Bachmann. Let's just say that you and I saw very different interviews.

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David Abbot 13 years 7 weeks ago

Greetings from sunny Argentina, where I am vacationing with my close personal friend Kenneth Lay. We eagerly await the arrival of Bernie Madof, and, should they be prosecuted for their crimes, my family friends George Bush, Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney. By the way, just give me a ring if you need a referral to a most devout plastic surgeon who knows how to keep his mouth shut- or else!!

Signed, Osama Bin Laden

kre8peas 13 years 7 weeks ago

I agree with Amy. I am a progressive & have been schooled by Thom. He is my favorite of all the talk show hosts. That doesn't make him always correct though. I've listened to Alex a few times & though he seems "over the top," that doesn't make him always wrong, either. I also have questions....& they are not without reason. I voted for Obama but from the moment he started appointing his cabinet & reneging on promises, my hope started to sour. We have less freedom now than ever. Too much of what GWB started, he has continued, (allowing the plant to grow deeper & stronger.) Our country is not safer....& if Bin Laden is truly dead...our country is still not any safer. I'm not saying that Bin Laden shouldn't have been apprehended & brought to justice, but let's be clear. Killing a person doesn't kill "evil." So, why so much celebrating....? Yes, it is horrific that 3000 people died here on 9-11. (Still a lot of questions regarding that day too...) How many thousands more have died since....because of our military actions? So many innocent people, just like us....Surely they would look upon their attackers as "evil" also. The sad truth is that much of the evil in the world has been co-created by the policies of our government. And, our government is not so much run by Democrats or Republicans, but by multi-national corporations whose only concern is MONEY. Body counts don't matter. All I can say is "Animal Farm," by George Orwell. You really can't tell anyone apart anymore......

Thom does seem to jump all around in this interview though. If he acknowledges all the lies the government has told & agrees with Alex about many of the issues, why would it be such a stretch to think that there might be more to this story than they want us to know....?

lyris 13 years 7 weeks ago

Has anyone noticed that the gop senators and representatives have not even hinted that the President is lying? They kept claiming that President Obama was able to locate bin Laden thanks to mr. bush, and also through the torture, but I never heard one claim or even hinted that the President was not being honest.

It's not as if they have been respectful of him. Remember joe wilson with the "You lie!" comment?

It seems to me that at least some of them must have known about this mission and most likely have seen the evidence and photos.

Something worth pondering, don't you think?

lyris 13 years 7 weeks ago

Could it be that Thom is human and made a mistake?

lyris 13 years 7 weeks ago

I suggest kre8peas that you read our Constitution and try to understand what it means.

The president has limited powers, one being that he makes suggestions to the legislative branch for his campaign promises. The president can not by law make any bill.

If you recall with the health care reform it was baucus who prevented the singal payer from being mentioned into the bill while they were in committee. The president was powerless over controling this. But no thanks to the gop some of the blue dogs we finally did get a HCR passed into law. Had the president not signed it into law we might not ever have had one in our life time.

I could go on and show you where you are wrong, but it would be endless. Just remember the Democrats never had the filibuster proof senate.

Please do more research on what you claim, but stick to where you will get facts not conjecture from either side, and remember this, President Obama is nothing like bush, who had daddy's corporations to make good threats when he was wheeling and dealing. Reagan and Clinton also had help from corporations too so they could make threats to get the legislative branch to cooperate, President Obama does not. But I would prefer this president to the others.

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cadawa 13 years 7 weeks ago

Without being labled a conspiracy theorist, I would like to point out that no hard evidence has ever been presented to the American people that, in fact, Al Qaida that planned and executed the terrorist act against the Trade Towers and the Pentagon Sept. 11, 2001. We only have the word of proven liars like Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney. Nor has any hard evidence been presented that bin Ladin was behind the attack. Now he has been assassinated and buried at sea.

WikiLeaks have proven beyond a doubt that both the Obama and Bush administration lie as easily as they breath. Isn't it only common sense to be just a tad bit suspicious?

nordlie1 13 years 7 weeks ago

Obama carries out Bush policies with a face of an angel. No photos videos period for whatever time frame of Bin Laden's demise. The mission to keep the public in fear whilst terrorizing the darker races continues for their individual wealth and power. The idea of Bin Laden having plastic surgery and living in exile would not be far fetched.

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2950-10K 13 years 7 weeks ago

Tim, It's useless, Rove, Dick ,and George are all still lost on the yellow brick road getting crapped on by flying monkeys! No courage to be found anywhere around these draft dodgers!

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Palindromedary 13 years 7 weeks ago

"the deathers will likely be unsatisfied with pictures anyway – they’re demanding the long-form corpse."

Now that's funny! But claiming that they buried OBL at sea and that we should take their word for it is even funnier. Since when do we believe the government...especially a government that is controlled by the criminal ruling elite?

Do you think they can get as much mileage out of the "deather" sound bite as they did, and should have, with the "birther" sound bite? Maybe we will have to wait for Wikileaks to leak the pictures...or maybe they have already been leaked and that is why some in government are urging that they be shown to the public. I'd like to know why the news media is saying practically nothing about the 22 people that got killed along with the alleged OBL. All I've heard the lying lapdogs say is that our heroic special forces went in and cause very little "collateral damage". Yeah, right!!!

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Palindromedary 13 years 7 weeks ago

"Tim, It's useless, Rove, Dick ,and George are all still lost on the yellow brick road getting crapped on by flying monkeys! No courage to be found anywhere around these draft dodgers!" I liked that one! That was pretty funny.

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2950-10K 13 years 7 weeks ago

Unfortunately the reality of Bin Laden's death could become very clear with suicidal retaliations in Europe and on our soil, although I hope I'm wrong. Imagine how this would play out in the republican mass media.

Violence only breeds more violence,especially with religious Zealots, despite which intolerant close minded view they might have!

Alex Jones needs to lay off the fast-food, it's restricting blood flow to his brain, much like most doughy republicants!

kre8peas 13 years 7 weeks ago

@ Lyris: I suggest that most of our politicians need to (re-) read the Constitution since they're the ones who are trampling all over it.....

I'm well aware of the filibustering of the GOP.....I'm also aware of how weak President Obama has come across, many times. Your excuses for him do not account for his & women in key positions who were from corporations, which they now must "regulate." HA! (Revolving doors) He also appointed many Bush people, especially when it came to the money & banking areas....the same people who helped to create or perpetuate the problems we now face. As Einstein said, problems won't be solved by the same thinking that created them. Obama HAS had some opportunities to change things & hasn't. The Patriot Act....? The whole TSA fiasco? I rather doubt the President would stand by & pleasantly watch HIS young daughters get "felt up" by the TSA "professionals," as Neopolitano called them. What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander in this's all about money & power.

You may wear your rose-colored glasses if you like, but I've taken mine off. The truth is unsettling but it is what it is. Obama isn't who we thought he was, or would be.

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Palindromedary 13 years 7 weeks ago

nemediaoc is correct:

The problem is that Americans are so sheltered from reality that they will fall for anything. The news media will not show the really terrible things (photos or videos) of people who our bombs and bullets have ripped apart. But Al Jazeera does...if you get it. And it had a great affect on the minds of American's attitude toward the Vietnam War when photos and videos started being viewed by Americans. The ruling elite made viewing such scenes a no-no from then on. Hence, control over news people and absolute control over the major news media. The government does not allow Americans to view the coffins or body bags of American soldiers that return from the war. They want people to be malleable and not abhorred by reality....except through their lies that will frighten us to assent to their criminal lies of WMD and Mushroom Clouds while they are picking our pockets and feeding our children into the war machine.

The imagination can be more frightening than reality, though. But the imagination can be steered and nudged or channeled in the direction the controllers desire. But it looks like this whole death of OBL and burial at sea is not taking on the acceptance that they had hoped. I have seen some democrat politicians on TV that look like they have seen a ghost, or something in trying to defend their actions. One looked like she was about ready to cry.

dnarnadem 13 years 7 weeks ago

Before everyone forgets, again, the Bush administration started 2 Wars, one based on lies, tortured prisoners, screwed up in Tora Bora when they had OBL located, allowed an almost fatal financial meltdown, gave up on locating OBL! It goes on and on! Not only was the Bush administration the most incompetent in American history, they were the most dictatorial and war-mongering and possibly corrupt. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld were all CHICKEN-HAWKS, draft dodgers and torturers!

I would like a comparable list for Obama.

The Obama administration is a prime example of the Right way to lead and govern. The Bush administration is a prime example of how NOT to lead and govern!

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Palindromedary 13 years 7 weeks ago

I agree with Crea8peas but as for lyris:
Yes, the President has limited powers but it sure didn't limit his appointments that showed right away whose side he was on. The fact that he shied away from his pre-election bravado when it came to war crimes committed by the previous regime shows he is unworthy. He just "wanted to get along" and not make waves. We voted for him to make waves...big waves..and, had he made more of a sincere effort at proving he was not a Republicant toady then I would probably vote for him again. But how stupid do you have to be to not see that he, unsuccessfully, tried to play politics as usual and sell out to the enemy. The health care bill they passed is a giveaway to the health care criminals and they are now going to rip the constitution to shreds and force everyone to pay criminal healthScare corporations what little money they have left for very questionable health care. The healthScare corps will have us all forced to pay whatever they want. If they only had included a public option to give us an alternative to the criminal healthScare gangsters....but no, they were just interested in getting anything they thought they could claim as a feather in their hats. But that feather was from a vulture.

The fact that he didn't follow through with his pre-election bravado about getting out of the war in the middle east and shutting down the torture chambers the US set up.... The fact that he went right along with bailing out high roller derivative gamblers that used people's savings and lost, and the fact that he is by every conceivable indication in the pocket of corporations....The fact that his whole demeanor, after winning the Presidency, has not been one that suggested he is working for the majority of Americans or even of those Americans who voted for him. All these facts count against any chance of Obama remaining in office in the next election cycle. He blew it...and he blew it bigtime..and some cocamamie lie they tell about getting OBL just doesn't hold pun intended.

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gerald 13 years 7 weeks ago

@TimFromLA, a very excellent point!!! What heart and what brain?

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gerald 13 years 7 weeks ago

If Barack Obama is on the ticket, I will vote for him. I cannot vote for a fascist or a Nazi.

Election of 2012

Barack Obama will not be re-elected in 2012!!!

Here is some information for my prediction.

I believe that at least ten million plus voters will be removed from the voting rolls in 2012 and beyond. The lines for voting in urban areas will be long with fewer voting machines in urban precincts. The electronic voting machines are rigged to include more Republicans receiving the majority of votes.

Our electronic voting machines are rigged to keep Satan’s disciples in the majority forever. Florida’s law will also keep Satan’s disciples in the majority forever.

Florida has passed into law the ability to curtail voter registrations and making it next to impossible for low-income persons, students, and racial minorities from voting. Florida is definitely a Nazi-controlled state where Satan’s disciples prevail over the citizens. There should be minimal doubt that Nazi America has more disciples wearing brown shirts and jackboots. These devils are truly Nazis who prowl the fifty states seeking the ruin of souls.

My wife has a knitting class one day per week. In the class is a woman whose aunt is approaching ninety. She lives in Florida. Her driver’s license needs to be renewed. Plus, she needs to re-register to vote. The aunt needs the original birth certificate, the original marriage license, her husband’s death certificate to prove she is a widow, and proof of permanent residency for Florida, such as a home, townhouse, or condominium. I do not know if an apartment, senior citizen home, or trailer qualifies for permanent residency. Florida is harassing the elderly, taking away their freedoms and rights, and removing them from the voting booth and polls. The conservatives seek to always be in the majority. Our Supreme Court really runs Nazi America and the Court will vote in Florida’s favor that its law is constitutionally sound. The Catholic Mafia on the Supreme Court is anti-poor and anti-working class. The U.S. Supreme Court is an extension of our Anti-Christ nation.

I believe that most people who make comments on Thom’s blog will admit that they have learned much from listening to his radio show. We know that Thom is intelligent and in his early school years he was placed in a gifted program. Gifted students can learn more quickly than average students. Thom was able to learn quickly. He is a progressive person and he believes that America has a future. I am twelve years older than Thom and no way close to his gifted intelligence. Age does have some value. I must disagree with Thom and say that the United States of Mortal Sin does not have a future.

Even Einstein is no way near as intelligent as Satan’s disciples, the conservative crazies, the GOP, the Republicans, the Libertarians, the Tea Baggers, the Lobbyists, the rich, and American corporations. These groups are brilliant.

You have only to know and read Florida’s law to see other states following and modeling their laws to be similar to Florida’s law.

I am not a psychiatrist. I am only an average person who can offer an opinion. I would have to say that the United States of Mortal Sin, aka an Anti-Christ nation, is certifiably crazy where most Americans are psychotic. People may disagree with me but there can be no doubt that most Americans are sociopaths, the lunatic fringe. Believe it or not!!!

Progressives are grasping to be excited at anything. Here is an example. The polls reveal that Nazi governors’ numbers are low in the polls. Polls do not excite me because the Nazis will always remain in the majority. Here are my reasons. Our electronic voting machines are rigged. Factual! The Nazis will eliminate from voting – low income people, students, and racial minorities. Factual! In heavy Democratic districts voting booths will be scarce so that the voting lines are long. Factual! The lobbyist party with the money will pay off politicians to vote a certain way. Factual!

I was asked what I would do if I had the power to improve our election process, such as having our citizens being able to vote. Here are some of my words.

I would like to see ACORN return to have citizens register to vote. Since I am over 60, I can vote by an absentee ballot. Voting by mail may require more scrutiny of qualified voters but voting by mail should be part of the voting process. I believe that the voting booths should open on a Tuesday at the scheduled date, such as 7:00 AM and the voting booths will close at 11:00 PM on Wednesday. That would mean the polls would be open for forty hours. More voting machines in urban areas! A treasonous act for rigged electronic voting machines must be definite! Companies rigging the election or any state and federal person as well as American citizens who rig or elections will need to be prosecuted as traitors against the United States. We must welcome into the voting process more low income voters, the aged population voters, and racial minority voters! We need to be a true democracy in our country before we preach, kill, and maim human populations in other countries to embrace our democracy! I am definitely for having all AMERICANS vote and all AMERICANS should be encouraged to vote by making all AMERICANS feel like they are AMERICANS!!!

The poem below by Langston Hughes reveals his feelings and thoughts and his feelings and thoughts are similar to my personal feelings and thoughts.

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Palindromedary 13 years 7 weeks ago

The fact that he punishes whistleblowers instead of praising them...that secrecy in the White House is even more so with Obama than with Bush...that they are so anti Wikileaks and cruel and inhumane toward Bradley Manning......

dnarnadem 13 years 7 weeks ago

"The problem is that Americans are so sheltered from reality that they will fall for anything."

You are kidding, Right? You, of all people are saying this? After all that you state in this blog?

Well, I am one of those who is NOT sheltered, and certainly do not take in verbatim what you or anyone else state!

"The imagination can be more frightening than reality," This is TRUE! Read all the conspiracy theories in this blog! The end of the world is coming - your words also! Wonder which version you ascribe to - flood, nuclear, Comet, other?

Let’s get real here. Reality is where if you jump off a 500 foot cliff without any parachute, you will most certainly be dead due to real gravity! Imagination is where you would grow wings. The two are NOT mutually exclusive!

If one has a modicum of basic reasoning power, one can come to the conclusion that what the Obama Administration has stated about OBL is a Fact. There may be some small inconsistencies, but the fact remains that they did kill OBL and buried him out at sea.

There is no way that a whole administration is lying and made this up. To do so, is to succumb to insanity and make believe and, as you state, deny Reality!

dnarnadem 13 years 7 weeks ago

"The fact that he punishes

The fact that he punishes whistleblowers instead of praising them...that secrecy in the White House is even more so with Obama than with Bush...that they are so anti Wikileaks and cruel and inhumane toward Bradley Manning......"

Wow! A big List! The two are not even close!

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gerald 13 years 7 weeks ago



The killing of Osama bin Laden is an occasion for deep reflection. It must become a turning point in our nation's nearly decade-long wars in response to the tragedy of 9/11. As people of faith, and as Catholics who, only days ago, celebrated Christ's victory over condemnation, torture and death, we pause in this moment in a posture of prayer and repentance. As Christians we are troubled by the displays of celebration and call upon all people of good will to pause and reflect rather than rejoice and exalt. We pray for the victims of that terrible day in September: for their families and loved ones, whose lives were changed forever; we pray for the first responders whose sacrifice and heroism inspired a shocked and grieving nation and who laid down their lives in an effort to save others; and for the countless volunteers who spent weeks amidst the rubble, dust and death at Ground Zero and who continue to suffer serious health effects today. However, we also mourn our nation's misguided response to the events of 9/11, the carnage and mayhem unleashed, the distortion of our deepest values, the abandonment of our highest principles and ultimate subversion of our national character. And so our prayers extend beyond those victims of September 11th and focus also on the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and across the globe as a direct result of our response.

The spiral of violence of which Pax Christi warned in September 2001 has sadly remained unbroken. The killing of bin Laden becomes one more waypoint in a quest for vengeance that will, as all acts of violence do, lead to ever more violence and death. The cycle must be broken. To do so will take much courage and sustained effort. Our prayers for the victims, both of bin Laden's violence and our militarized response, must give way to true repentance-a turning away from violence as a path to national redemption...

dnarnadem 13 years 7 weeks ago

"The fact that he didn't follow through with his pre-election bravado about getting out of the war in the middle east"

- fighting troops are out of Iraq, troops will be witdrawn from Afganistan shortly as scheduled.

"and shutting down the torture chambers the US set up...."

He tried but remember New York, Bloomberg and the Republicans? They fought this tooth and nail!

"The fact that he went right along with bailing out high roller derivative gamblers that used people's savings and lost, and the fact that he is'

This happened under Bush! Forget this also! The Bailout happened under the BUSH administration.

"by every conceivable indication in the pocket of corporations"

Facts. Any proof? How so?

....The fact that his whole demeanor, after winning the Presidency, has not been one that suggested he is working for the majority of Americans or even of those Americans who voted for him. All these facts"

What facts are these? I would like you to provide some. This is simply hear-say.

"count against any chance of Obama remaining in office in the next election cycle. He blew it...and he blew it bigtime..and some cocamamie lie they tell about getting OBL just doesn't hold pun intended."

Prove the Lie! None of your statments hold ANY water either!

I am not a sheltered American and I will most certainly not let ANY of your lies and distortion of 'Reality" go by without any challenge.

dnarnadem 13 years 7 weeks ago

A Fact of Religious history. When the Catholic Church governed and controlled the Western World during the Middle Ages - especially from 1100-1600 - they created and administered and refined the greatest torture reign ever - THE INQUISITION and had a GRAND INQUISITOR in charge. They also were the creators of a torture tactic called WATER BOARDING, one which they refined in exquisite detail. The modern torturers in chief - Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld - adopted this "Enhancement Technique" in modern form.

It is no secret that the Catholic Inquisition and the Catholic church during the middle ages was the most autocratic and dictatorial and cruel governments in human history. They created and cultivated the torture chambers and tortured and murdered millions of heretics and non-believers. (And don't forget the MANY Crusades they waged against the Infidels - MUSLIMS!) The only thing that eventually put a stop to this torture was the Protestants and rising Secular governments.

So for Catholics to state what they state in the Pax above is highly hypocritical!

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Palindromedary 13 years 7 weeks ago

"There is no way that a whole administration is lying and made this up."

Why not? Do you believe that the whole Bush administration made up WMD and Mushroom Clouds and lied to the American people? I do. And I believe that it is not beyond belief that any politician lies. Especially, since it has been proven that the current administration has lied. If Obama didn't lie when he was campaigning for the Presidency then why did he renege so much and sell out to the ruling elite? Wikileaks shows that the Obama administration has lied...why do you think they are so ticked off at Julian Assange? He embarrassed them. Eisenhower lied when he said that the US was not spying on the Russians at high altitudes with U2 spy planes and, of course, he was embarrassed and caught in his lie when the Russians shot down Gary Powers. It's not a far-fetched belief that lies are constantly being told by those in power. And the Obama administration is no that respect...they tell lies. Big lies! So why should we believe them that they are telling the truth about OBL when they hastilly, and very suspiciously, dump the proof in the ocean? How very convenient! Did it not occur to them that people would find this highly suspicious? I don't think they were so dumb...they know how Americans will buy the official story...many bought into the official 911 why not this one. They probably had no other choice but to get rid of evidence that would have proven their lies to be lies. But they are sure playing us all for big least those who don't challenge their lies. You can't tell me that these people were trying to appease Muslim sensitivity when they have tortured people and wiped their a$$es on pages of the Koran....flushed them down toilets. Besides the Military Industrial Complex still needs enemies...lots of continue raking in all that blood money. And Obama eats right out of their hands.

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gerald 13 years 7 weeks ago

Expelling Gas

What I cannot understand why people who have been married for thirty or forty years are divorcing. As a person grows older, his body does not function normally. Here is an example. When I eat, my internal plumbing does not digest the food as easily as it did at a younger age. This slow digestive process develops more air pockets in the colon. With more air pockets there is more expelling gas. Some women tire of the continuous stench in the air. What I try to do with more air pockets in my colon, I go into the basement or outside the home. At times I cannot hold back the expelling gas. To date my wife has not complained about my discombobulated internal plumber but a man never knows what is going through a woman’s mind. I share these words with you so you can use extreme caution with the frequency in expelling gas as you grow older in the presence of your wife.

dnarnadem 13 years 7 weeks ago

Simple - it's call REASON! I didn't believe what Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld put together on the Iraq because the facts were just NOT there.

OBL is dead and I believe what the Obama administration is saying based on facts AND the fact that a major portion of his administration could NOT be ALL lying! Or that a military operation such as a SEAL/DELTA strike is fake!

A reasonable person with a modicum of reasoning can deduce this with no problems at all, with a stress on "Reasonable".

This is not over. A lot of Intel was grabbed - hard drives, storage devives, etc - was taken. There will be more take downs.

Here is an interesting quote I read the other day by Anais Nin - "We see things NOT as they are but as we are".

Ponder on this for awhile. Your hatred of Obama is fogging your reasoning.

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gerald 13 years 7 weeks ago

@dnarnadem, If you have read my posts, I do not defend past practices of my church. As a practicing cradle Catholic I am very proud of my maturing church. Believe it or not my church has matured. Today, there are individuals in the church who have not practiced the words of Jesus, such as the Eleventh Commandment. "Love one another as I have loved you!" Jesus spoke these words at the Last Supper. The Sacraments and the Liturgy of the Eucharist give me great joy.

dnarnadem, you need to examine your your heart and determine whether or not your heart has love, mercy, and forgiveness.

dnarnadem 13 years 7 weeks ago

"Mr. Thom Hartmann is one of

Mr. Thom Hartmann is one of the leading practitioners of Neuro-Linguistic programminmg, he knows all the dirty tricks, luckily he is not half is clever as he thinks he is , nor are the masses as gullible as they used to be."

Thom is this true? And a fact?

NLPisaJoke I just looked up NLP - it is not as you state. NLP has to do with curing phobias, depression - etc, not debate tactics! Please explain! And besides, it is not practiced by emprical science or practitioners as it is not emprically fact based or a science.

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gerald 13 years 7 weeks ago

Andrew Bacewich has written a great book, "The Limits of Power."

dnarnadem 13 years 7 weeks ago

Funny, I was a Catholic from the cradle also, even an altar boy! I have matured, however.

Today, tmost mainstream Catholics have become Anti-Abortion. Some even fanatical. Most all vote Republican and support Anti-Abortion fanatics. A few condone and side with those who do believe that KILLING abortion providers is doing GODS work!

I have examined my heart and it certainly does not side with modern day Catholics or anyone that says murdering people is doing God's Work.

"love, mercy, and forgiveness." These are not catholic virtues but human ones. I have them to a fault and being a catholic has nothing to do with it whatsoever. In fact after reading all the damnations you have put out in this blog, I seriously believe that you may be lacking in a few of these yourself.

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gerald 13 years 7 weeks ago

Here are some words for persons who remember past misdeeds of people, institutions, companies, etc. If people, institutions, and companies are maturing, we need to cheer the process.

Breaking the Chain

There is no cure for hatred. Hatred is an enclosed cause and effect cycle that feeds on itself. Only forgiveness can break the chain. Forgiveness can operate because it is outside the situation, not part of the problem. It does not deal with the issue; it simply bypasses the problem. That is why forgiveness does not presume to judge who is right, seek reparation, restore justice, or demand an apology. All these things would merely forge a link with the past, while forgiveness is a clean break from the past. The whole idea of forgiveness is to free people for new possibilities in the future.


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Palindromedary 13 years 7 weeks ago

Expelling gas? My butt that was fascinating...butt, hey, thanks for sharing!

On a less odoriferous note: yet a more ghastly one at any rate are the alleged pictures of the alleged dead OBL. One site shows the picture that shows OBL...pretty easy to believe this picture is of OBL...the nose, teeth, mouth and beard parts but the areas of the where the eyes should be and the forehead are pretty gruesome. That part also happens to be pasted in from a picture of another poor unfortunate man whose picture is also shown so this pretty much proves that this picture of the alleged dead OBL which is circulating on the internet is fake. Question is was this one of the government's fake pictures that got out or is it from a different source? Other questions: Even if this isn't a "government picture that got out" are the real government pictures just as fake anyway and they know that they might be exposed as fakes as well if they made them available to the public? The real OBL may have been killed as the government says...but, will we ever really know for sure? They even claim that they took DNA evidence to confirm it was OBL...but then again...they could still be lying couldn't they? Without a body, or at least a body part, to reconfirm dna through independent analysis we all are left with the word of the government and military....and they lie. They really screwed up, if it really was OBL, when they dumped the evidence in the sea. The original OBL facial picture where the bottom part was taken to form the composite picture of the "dead OBL" is also shown.
Warning!!! to the sensitive, the pictures at this site is very gruesome.

herminez 13 years 7 weeks ago

It's a nice move don't you think to keep Bin Laden 'alive' (whether he be frozen or actually alive) until the opportune moment? The bush administration may have started this but it isn't about whether Bush or Obama gets the credit, it is about trying to renew faith in the leaders of the country. Most people are aware that the war was an excuse for other things and prolonging it has become damaging for them. I think it's been decided it needs to end (or at least seem to in the public's eye) and Bin Laden's so called death gives them a perfect way out.

I don't believe a word of it and I don't think photos will prove anything, it will just give people something to argue about.

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