The fact that Bin Laden was in an area amply populated by the very Pakistani military and intelligence forces that we have armed, and that should have been able to easily nab him, proves the lie of the claim that Afghanistan is vital territory to be secured in what two administrations have now chosen to define as the war on terrorism. - Robert Scheer

A Monster of Our Own Creation
http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/a_monster_of_our_own_creation_20110504/

We, as a country, have become the monster that we are attempting to fight.

This is a perfect example in the contrast between the last administration and the Obama

administration

. The last administration had more leaks than old rowboat. Information used to come out of The White House to settle political scores and gain advantage. That was when government was run like a corp. and Fox news was a part of the family.

It would be refreshing to see classified information stay classified. And the American government act with dignity and self-interest. Donald Trump is carrying water for the GOP. He is going to say and do things that other serious candidates will not. Fox news will try to drag this administration into their realm of questionable information and behavior. I hope they do not fall for it.

Sec of State Clinton is absolutely right.

It is ironic how sterile war is for us....no daily weekly photos of dead soldiers coffins, how many people including women and children have been murdered in drone strikes? Does killing Bin Laden justify the this activity. Lets see photos or film of this mass killing that continues on a daily basis. Does Bin Ladens death justify the double down on Bush policies abroad and at home. The trick is to sterilize and desensitize that’s how to keep occupations indefinite.

If Osama bin Laden was killed under Bush's administration, would progressives and democrats not be screaming for some kind of "proof"...accusing them of shannigans and trying to influence the upcoming election etc. Of course they would, as would I being a Progressive. Not everyone who has questions Thom is a birther/deather. Our convictions should be held regardless of left or right, Bush or Obama. Accountability needs to be demanded regardless. I am fine with the administration's decision not to release the photos of a dead bin Laden. But to belittle and dismiss people who are asking questions as being crazy unhinged birthers/deathers is hypocritical to say the least.

What, she believes the Merkin Peeps can't "handle the truth" in pictorial form? You are correct, Hilary is absolutely right....wing...including the theory that "we" shouldn't see the consequences of our Hit Squad's activities. Number 1...with a bullet!

US has its problems but we are good people who work hard -raise families .and do for others. Yes US foreign policy stinks HAs for many years .The Real momster is dead One who burned 3000 people alive. He can now meet his 10000 virgins

Bravo to our brave Seals & Obama for showing strong leadership skills and guts . USA will overcome

Gus Get real Thom has criticized Obama so many times . But when Obama does good - then he deserves credit for his leadership & guts and making the right call at right time. BRAVO

Greetings from sunny Argentina, where I am vacationing with my close personal friend Kenneth Lay. We eagerly await the arrival of Bernie Madof, and, should they be prosecuted for their crimes, my family friends George Bush, Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney. By the way, just give me a ring if you need a referral to a most devout plastic surgeon who knows how to keep his mouth shut- or else!!

Signed, Osama Bin Laden

Has anyone noticed that the gop senators and representatives have not even hinted that the President is lying? They kept claiming that President Obama was able to locate bin Laden thanks to mr. bush, and also through the torture, but I never heard one claim or even hinted that the President was not being honest.

It's not as if they have been respectful of him. Remember joe wilson with the "You lie!" comment?

It seems to me that at least some of them must have known about this mission and most likely have seen the evidence and photos.

Something worth pondering, don't you think?

I suggest kre8peas that you read our Constitution and try to understand what it means.

The president has limited powers, one being that he makes suggestions to the legislative branch for his campaign promises. The president can not by law make any bill.

If you recall with the health care reform it was baucus who prevented the singal payer from being mentioned into the bill while they were in committee. The president was powerless over controling this. But no thanks to the gop some of the blue dogs we finally did get a HCR passed into law. Had the president not signed it into law we might not ever have had one in our life time.

I could go on and show you where you are wrong, but it would be endless. Just remember the Democrats never had the filibuster proof senate.

Please do more research on what you claim, but stick to where you will get facts not conjecture from either side, and remember this, President Obama is nothing like bush, who had daddy's corporations to make good threats when he was wheeling and dealing. Reagan and Clinton also had help from corporations too so they could make threats to get the legislative branch to cooperate, President Obama does not. But I would prefer this president to the others.

Obama carries out Bush policies with a face of an angel. No photos videos period for whatever time frame of Bin Laden's demise. The mission to keep the public in fear whilst terrorizing the darker races continues for their individual wealth and power. The idea of Bin Laden having plastic surgery and living in exile would not be far fetched.

"the deathers will likely be unsatisfied with pictures anyway – they’re demanding the long-form corpse."

Now that's funny! But claiming that they buried OBL at sea and that we should take their word for it is even funnier. Since when do we believe the government...especially a government that is controlled by the criminal ruling elite?

Do you think they can get as much mileage out of the "deather" sound bite as they did, and should have, with the "birther" sound bite? Maybe we will have to wait for Wikileaks to leak the pictures...or maybe they have already been leaked and that is why some in government are urging that they be shown to the public. I'd like to know why the news media is saying practically nothing about the 22 people that got killed along with the alleged OBL. All I've heard the lying lapdogs say is that our heroic special forces went in and cause very little "collateral damage". Yeah, right!!!

Unfortunately the reality of Bin Laden's death could become very clear with suicidal retaliations in Europe and on our soil, although I hope I'm wrong. Imagine how this would play out in the republican mass media.

Violence only breeds more violence,especially with religious Zealots, despite which intolerant close minded view they might have!

Alex Jones needs to lay off the fast-food, it's restricting blood flow to his brain, much like most doughy republicants!

nemediaoc is correct:

The problem is that Americans are so sheltered from reality that they will fall for anything. The news media will not show the really terrible things (photos or videos) of people who our bombs and bullets have ripped apart. But Al Jazeera does...if you get it. And it had a great affect on the minds of American's attitude toward the Vietnam War when photos and videos started being viewed by Americans. The ruling elite made viewing such scenes a no-no from then on. Hence, control over news people and absolute control over the major news media. The government does not allow Americans to view the coffins or body bags of American soldiers that return from the war. They want people to be malleable and not abhorred by reality....except through their lies that will frighten us to assent to their criminal actions....like lies of WMD and Mushroom Clouds while they are picking our pockets and feeding our children into the war machine.

The imagination can be more frightening than reality, though. But the imagination can be steered and nudged or channeled in the direction the controllers desire. But it looks like this whole death of OBL and burial at sea is not taking on the acceptance that they had hoped. I have seen some democrat politicians on TV that look like they have seen a ghost, or something in trying to defend their actions. One looked like she was about ready to cry.

I agree with Crea8peas but as for lyris:
Yes, the President has limited powers but it sure didn't limit his appointments that showed right away whose side he was on. The fact that he shied away from his pre-election bravado when it came to war crimes committed by the previous regime shows he is unworthy. He just "wanted to get along" and not make waves. We voted for him to make waves...big waves..and, had he made more of a sincere effort at proving he was not a Republicant toady then I would probably vote for him again. But how stupid do you have to be to not see that he, unsuccessfully, tried to play politics as usual and sell out to the enemy. The health care bill they passed is a giveaway to the health care criminals and they are now going to rip the constitution to shreds and force everyone to pay criminal healthScare corporations what little money they have left for very questionable health care. The healthScare corps will have us all forced to pay whatever they want. If they only had included a public option to give us an alternative to the criminal healthScare gangsters....but no, they were just interested in getting anything they thought they could claim as a feather in their hats. But that feather was from a vulture.

The fact that he didn't follow through with his pre-election bravado about getting out of the war in the middle east and shutting down the torture chambers the US set up.... The fact that he went right along with bailing out high roller derivative gamblers that used people's savings and lost, and the fact that he is by every conceivable indication in the pocket of corporations....The fact that his whole demeanor, after winning the Presidency, has not been one that suggested he is working for the majority of Americans or even of those Americans who voted for him. All these facts count against any chance of Obama remaining in office in the next election cycle. He blew it...and he blew it bigtime..and some cocamamie lie they tell about getting OBL just doesn't hold water...no pun intended.

If Barack Obama is on the ticket, I will vote for him. I cannot vote for a fascist or a Nazi.

Election of 2012

Barack Obama will not be re-elected in 2012!!!

Here is some information for my prediction.

I believe that at least ten million plus voters will be removed from the voting rolls in 2012 and beyond. The lines for voting in urban areas will be long with fewer voting machines in urban precincts. The electronic voting machines are rigged to include more Republicans receiving the majority of votes.

Our electronic voting machines are rigged to keep Satan’s disciples in the majority forever. Florida’s law will also keep Satan’s disciples in the majority forever.

Florida has passed into law the ability to curtail voter registrations and making it next to impossible for low-income persons, students, and racial minorities from voting. Florida is definitely a Nazi-controlled state where Satan’s disciples prevail over the citizens. There should be minimal doubt that Nazi America has more disciples wearing brown shirts and jackboots. These devils are truly Nazis who prowl the fifty states seeking the ruin of souls.

My wife has a knitting class one day per week. In the class is a woman whose aunt is approaching ninety. She lives in Florida. Her driver’s license needs to be renewed. Plus, she needs to re-register to vote. The aunt needs the original birth certificate, the original marriage license, her husband’s death certificate to prove she is a widow, and proof of permanent residency for Florida, such as a home, townhouse, or condominium. I do not know if an apartment, senior citizen home, or trailer qualifies for permanent residency. Florida is harassing the elderly, taking away their freedoms and rights, and removing them from the voting booth and polls. The conservatives seek to always be in the majority. Our Supreme Court really runs Nazi America and the Court will vote in Florida’s favor that its law is constitutionally sound. The Catholic Mafia on the Supreme Court is anti-poor and anti-working class. The U.S. Supreme Court is an extension of our Anti-Christ nation.

I believe that most people who make comments on Thom’s blog will admit that they have learned much from listening to his radio show. We know that Thom is intelligent and in his early school years he was placed in a gifted program. Gifted students can learn more quickly than average students. Thom was able to learn quickly. He is a progressive person and he believes that America has a future. I am twelve years older than Thom and no way close to his gifted intelligence. Age does have some value. I must disagree with Thom and say that the United States of Mortal Sin does not have a future.

Even Einstein is no way near as intelligent as Satan’s disciples, the conservative crazies, the GOP, the Republicans, the Libertarians, the Tea Baggers, the Lobbyists, the rich, and American corporations. These groups are brilliant.

You have only to know and read Florida’s law to see other states following and modeling their laws to be similar to Florida’s law.

I am not a psychiatrist. I am only an average person who can offer an opinion. I would have to say that the United States of Mortal Sin, aka an Anti-Christ nation, is certifiably crazy where most Americans are psychotic. People may disagree with me but there can be no doubt that most Americans are sociopaths, the lunatic fringe. Believe it or not!!!

Progressives are grasping to be excited at anything. Here is an example. The polls reveal that Nazi governors’ numbers are low in the polls. Polls do not excite me because the Nazis will always remain in the majority. Here are my reasons. Our electronic voting machines are rigged. Factual! The Nazis will eliminate from voting – low income people, students, and racial minorities. Factual! In heavy Democratic districts voting booths will be scarce so that the voting lines are long. Factual! The lobbyist party with the money will pay off politicians to vote a certain way. Factual!

I was asked what I would do if I had the power to improve our election process, such as having our citizens being able to vote. Here are some of my words.

I would like to see ACORN return to have citizens register to vote. Since I am over 60, I can vote by an absentee ballot. Voting by mail may require more scrutiny of qualified voters but voting by mail should be part of the voting process. I believe that the voting booths should open on a Tuesday at the scheduled date, such as 7:00 AM and the voting booths will close at 11:00 PM on Wednesday. That would mean the polls would be open for forty hours. More voting machines in urban areas! A treasonous act for rigged electronic voting machines must be definite! Companies rigging the election or any state and federal person as well as American citizens who rig or elections will need to be prosecuted as traitors against the United States. We must welcome into the voting process more low income voters, the aged population voters, and racial minority voters! We need to be a true democracy in our country before we preach, kill, and maim human populations in other countries to embrace our democracy! I am definitely for having all AMERICANS vote and all AMERICANS should be encouraged to vote by making all AMERICANS feel like they are AMERICANS!!!

The poem below by Langston Hughes reveals his feelings and thoughts and his feelings and thoughts are similar to my personal feelings and thoughts.

http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15609

"The problem is that Americans are so sheltered from reality that they will fall for anything."

You are kidding, Right? You, of all people are saying this? After all that you state in this blog?

Well, I am one of those who is NOT sheltered, and certainly do not take in verbatim what you or anyone else state!

"The imagination can be more frightening than reality," This is TRUE! Read all the conspiracy theories in this blog! The end of the world is coming - your words also! Wonder which version you ascribe to - flood, nuclear, Comet, other?

Let’s get real here. Reality is where if you jump off a 500 foot cliff without any parachute, you will most certainly be dead due to real gravity! Imagination is where you would grow wings. The two are NOT mutually exclusive!

If one has a modicum of basic reasoning power, one can come to the conclusion that what the Obama Administration has stated about OBL is a Fact. There may be some small inconsistencies, but the fact remains that they did kill OBL and buried him out at sea.

There is no way that a whole administration is lying and made this up. To do so, is to succumb to insanity and make believe and, as you state, deny Reality!

PAX CHRISTI USA OFFICIAL STATEMENT

ON THE DEATH OF OSAMA BIN LADEN

The killing of Osama bin Laden is an occasion for deep reflection. It must become a turning point in our nation's nearly decade-long wars in response to the tragedy of 9/11. As people of faith, and as Catholics who, only days ago, celebrated Christ's victory over condemnation, torture and death, we pause in this moment in a posture of prayer and repentance. As Christians we are troubled by the displays of celebration and call upon all people of good will to pause and reflect rather than rejoice and exalt. We pray for the victims of that terrible day in September: for their families and loved ones, whose lives were changed forever; we pray for the first responders whose sacrifice and heroism inspired a shocked and grieving nation and who laid down their lives in an effort to save others; and for the countless volunteers who spent weeks amidst the rubble, dust and death at Ground Zero and who continue to suffer serious health effects today. However, we also mourn our nation's misguided response to the events of 9/11, the carnage and mayhem unleashed, the distortion of our deepest values, the abandonment of our highest principles and ultimate subversion of our national character. And so our prayers extend beyond those victims of September 11th and focus also on the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and across the globe as a direct result of our response.

The spiral of violence of which Pax Christi warned in September 2001 has sadly remained unbroken. The killing of bin Laden becomes one more waypoint in a quest for vengeance that will, as all acts of violence do, lead to ever more violence and death. The cycle must be broken. To do so will take much courage and sustained effort. Our prayers for the victims, both of bin Laden's violence and our militarized response, must give way to true repentance-a turning away from violence as a path to national redemption...

Here are three articles for patriotic Americans to read.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Gotcha-by-Craig-Coogan-110503-387.html

OBL wins!!!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/We-re-1-by-Ed-Lytwak-110502-833.html

Our Anti-Christ nation is number one!!!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-American-empire-create-by-Frosty-Wooldridge-110502-979.html

America is killing herself!!!

"There is no way that a whole administration is lying and made this up."

Why not? Do you believe that the whole Bush administration made up WMD and Mushroom Clouds and lied to the American people? I do. And I believe that it is not beyond belief that any politician lies. Especially, since it has been proven that the current administration has lied. If Obama didn't lie when he was campaigning for the Presidency then why did he renege so much and sell out to the ruling elite? Wikileaks shows that the Obama administration has lied...why do you think they are so ticked off at Julian Assange? He embarrassed them. Eisenhower lied when he said that the US was not spying on the Russians at high altitudes with U2 spy planes and, of course, he was embarrassed and caught in his lie when the Russians shot down Gary Powers. It's not a far-fetched belief that lies are constantly being told by those in power. And the Obama administration is no different..in that respect...they tell lies. Big lies! So why should we believe them that they are telling the truth about OBL when they hastilly, and very suspiciously, dump the proof in the ocean? How very convenient! Did it not occur to them that people would find this highly suspicious? I don't think they were so dumb...they know how Americans will buy the official story...many bought into the official 911 story....so why not this one. They probably had no other choice but to get rid of evidence that would have proven their lies to be lies. But they are sure playing us all for big dummies...at least those who don't challenge their lies. You can't tell me that these people were trying to appease Muslim sensitivity when they have tortured people and wiped their a$$es on pages of the Koran....flushed them down toilets. Besides the Military Industrial Complex still needs enemies...lots of enemies...to continue raking in all that blood money. And Obama eats right out of their hands.

Simple - it's call REASON! I didn't believe what Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld put together on the Iraq because the facts were just NOT there.

OBL is dead and I believe what the Obama administration is saying based on facts AND the fact that a major portion of his administration could NOT be ALL lying! Or that a military operation such as a SEAL/DELTA strike is fake!

A reasonable person with a modicum of reasoning can deduce this with no problems at all, with a stress on "Reasonable".

This is not over. A lot of Intel was grabbed - hard drives, storage devives, etc - was taken. There will be more take downs.

Here is an interesting quote I read the other day by Anais Nin - "We see things NOT as they are but as we are".

Ponder on this for awhile. Your hatred of Obama is fogging your reasoning.

"Mr. Thom Hartmann is one of

Mr. Thom Hartmann is one of the leading practitioners of Neuro-Linguistic programminmg, he knows all the dirty tricks, luckily he is not half is clever as he thinks he is , nor are the masses as gullible as they used to be."

Thom is this true? And a fact?

NLPisaJoke I just looked up NLP - it is not as you state. NLP has to do with curing phobias, depression - etc, not debate tactics! Please explain! And besides, it is not practiced by emprical science or practitioners as it is not emprically fact based or a science.

Funny, I was a Catholic from the cradle also, even an altar boy! I have matured, however.

Today, tmost mainstream Catholics have become Anti-Abortion. Some even fanatical. Most all vote Republican and support Anti-Abortion fanatics. A few condone and side with those who do believe that KILLING abortion providers is doing GODS work!

I have examined my heart and it certainly does not side with modern day Catholics or anyone that says murdering people is doing God's Work.

"love, mercy, and forgiveness." These are not catholic virtues but human ones. I have them to a fault and being a catholic has nothing to do with it whatsoever. In fact after reading all the damnations you have put out in this blog, I seriously believe that you may be lacking in a few of these yourself.

Expelling gas? My butt that was fascinating...butt, hey, thanks for sharing!

On a less odoriferous note: yet a more ghastly one at any rate are the alleged pictures of the alleged dead OBL. One site shows the picture that shows OBL...pretty easy to believe this picture is of OBL...the nose, teeth, mouth and beard parts but the areas of the where the eyes should be and the forehead are pretty gruesome. That part also happens to be pasted in from a picture of another poor unfortunate man whose picture is also shown so this pretty much proves that this picture of the alleged dead OBL which is circulating on the internet is fake. Question is was this one of the government's fake pictures that got out or is it from a different source? Other questions: Even if this isn't a "government picture that got out" are the real government pictures just as fake anyway and they know that they might be exposed as fakes as well if they made them available to the public? The real OBL may have been killed as the government says...but, will we ever really know for sure? They even claim that they took DNA evidence to confirm it was OBL...but then again...they could still be lying couldn't they? Without a body, or at least a body part, to reconfirm dna through independent analysis we all are left with the word of the government and military....and they lie. They really screwed up, if it really was OBL, when they dumped the evidence in the sea. The original OBL facial picture where the bottom part was taken to form the composite picture of the "dead OBL" is also shown.
Warning!!! to the sensitive, the pictures at this site is very gruesome.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/05/02/2011-05-02_osama_bin_la...