Daily Topics - Wednesday August 3rd, 2011

The Big Picture "On Air" Questions or Comments for Thom?

Hour One: Revealed...The Tea Party take over you didn't know about!

Hour Two: The debt deal and the economy...what's next? Professor Richard Wolff

Hour Three: "Taking Our Country Back - Wisconsin Recall" - State Rep Fred Clark (D-WI, 14th District)

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mathboy 9 years 25 weeks ago
#1

Is it Conquered Project or Concord Project?

mathboy's picture
mathboy 9 years 25 weeks ago
#2

Thanks, Alberto, but I meant that Thom should clarify it on the air.

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duke-rules 9 years 25 weeks ago
#3

Thom, I just listened to your discussion yesterday over the hostage bill passed AND enabled by may democrats that call themselves progressive. Near the end of the discussion, I was shocked (..I tell you, shocked) to hear you , of all people, say you would have voted YEA if you were the deciding vote.

It is this uncritical support of Obama that has enabled him to IGNORE and even dis progressives knowing full well that you / they will do as told. If you, in this hypothetical, had voted NAY, then you would have given the president a chance to actually show leadership. Thanks to the dems in congress, we'll never know what the pres might have done, but it couldn't have been worse than what happened.

Thom, I respect your knowlwdge and your point of view most of the time, but IMO, here you have it wrong.

If he won't to do the right thing because he is afraid he will get pushback by the repubs and lose, then he (and we) have already lost. When one operates out of fear, as you know with all the study you have done in psyhology, nothing good will come of it. IMO, this is where this administration is coming from and the fear is of the repubs, not the dems or progressives.

Here are two tests to think about.

1. Would you support his actions if the president was a repub?

2. Would the dems in congress support his policies if the president was a repub?

I believe these are two simple questions to ask yourself BEFORE you provide unconditional support. As we have seen for the last 3 years, he HATES progressives. Actions speak louder than words.

And again - in your 3rd hour, you seem to blame dems, progressives and the left for the low turnout in 2010. You're blaming the victim. You're correct, we worked our asses off to get him elected and a progressive majority in 2006. Then we were screwed by the dem leadership. No impeachment, no investigations, kick Howard Dean, who arguabley was the reason that Obama won in 2008, and let's not forget the gentle support of Mr. Rham.

Come on Thom, get real. The DLC hates the base and made sure we knew it EVERY day. And just yesterday, Obama apointed Chris Lee's personal and political lawyer to be the Federal attourney in Utah for DOJ. Yes, the same Chris Lee who wants to repeal child labor laws. WTF?

When you are in an abusive relationship and your partner betrays you, not once, not twice, but again and again, when do you make the decision that has to be made? Namely to seperate yourself from the abuser, the betrayer?

Just asking, what will it take?

Alberto Ceras 9 years 25 weeks ago
#4

Try this, mathboy: http://www.poool2net.redstate.com/tags/tag/the-concord-project/

or maybe this:

http://www.concordproject.org/

Yes, it's Concord Project

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Blue Mark 9 years 25 weeks ago
#5

Politburo

Call it the American Politburo, or Budget Politburo

This new "Super Duper Committee" needs a short descriptive name that conveys its power over the constitutional houses of Congress and its power to short-circuit democracy by determining budget policy on its own and not permitting Congress to change it or do anything other than vote up or down. I think it should be called the Politburo.

Politburo

Historically - particularly in Trotskyist communism, the Politburo was an appointed group of party loyalists who decided policy and controlled the legislature. This beast created by the Debt Hostage Crisis is an American Politburo.

mathboy's picture
mathboy 9 years 25 weeks ago
#6

The interview with the precinct official was interesting. But hearing him talk about going door to door to get signatures reminds me that the party must be missing the introverts like me. Pushy door-to-door salespeople whose strategy is to leave no room for me to say "no" have made me choose never to open my door unless I'm expecting someone, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

I'm on lots of e-mail lists of liberal groups, including the Colo. Dem. Party. But the CDP never asks me to go anywhere to sign a petition to put someone (or a referendum) on the ballot. At the very least, they could sending people door to door and announce that they're doing that, so that the liberal introverts will actually answer the door. It's time to modernize the party. One group here (I can't remember the name, but it's something like Great Education Colorado) actually used their e-mail list to plan and annouce petition signing events, which reduces how much time (and probably money) the organization has to spend on collecting signatures. That is how it should be done.

Alberto Ceras 9 years 25 weeks ago
#7

mathboy, please read my post on member's blog:

http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/alberto-ceras/blog/2011/08/goddamit-get-active

Informative, I believe, for anyone interested in politics.

mathboy's picture
mathboy 9 years 25 weeks ago
#8

I don't think many people understand the so-called Super Congress.

Congress has had plenty of joint committees (and still does), and this one is temporary--it's existence ends in November or December this year. Committees are used to generate legislation all the time; that's really their purpose, because it's hard to get 100 or 435 people to argue efficiently enough to create a bill out of whole cloth. The unusual aspects are 1) that the bill creating the Joint Committee on Deficit Reduction also streamlines the process of passing the legislation that it's supposed to produce, and 2) that something will happen if the committee doesn't produce a bill by a deadline. So it's not the committee that's super, it's the bill passage process.

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rladlof 9 years 25 weeks ago
#9

Contact Senator Reid and Minority Leader Pelosi to demand that only members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus be appointed to the "National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform". It is our only hope . . .

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rladlof 9 years 25 weeks ago
#10

Yes, President Obama is a wishy-washy, mediocre, right-of-center, pro-corporatist hack. Yes, I have never been a supporter; I would prefer a Democratic President. Yes, I have been vocal HERE about this for years . . .

All that being typed, I believe that we all should read Egberto Willies’ piece entitled, “Let's look in the mirror before blaming Obama for economic hostage crisis” at http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/InDefenseOfObama.

It is our failure that the Congress and Senate are stacked againstAmericaand Americans. Understand I am not saying that President Obama represents defeat through retreat; I am say We the People need to take control.

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Blue Mark 9 years 25 weeks ago
#11

Joint committees or reconciliation committees normally only work after the normal - democratic - congressional sausage making process has produced two bills - one in each house. This committee short circuits Congress, eliminates deliberation, takes away the ability of elected representatives from representing their constituents. This Politburo goes straight to reconciliation from nothing - before there is any democratic process.

How Much Better Off would America be If 6 Republican Presidents Hadn't Stolen The White House?

Thom plus logo It's about time the last one, Trump, is held accountable

Trump's impeachment trial is coming up in the Senate, and already his allies are trying to throw up procedural roadblocks to exhaust the effort to hold him accountable. Should America "move beyond" Trump? No friggin' way.
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