Dick Cheney confirms he is a war criminal
Draft dodger Dick Cheney has a new book coming out. The man with no pulse is trying to set the record straight about his time in the White House as Vice President – and according to excerpts from the book entitled, “My Time” – which is set to be released next week – Cheney confirms what we all suspected – that he really is that evil. Cheney goes after former Secretary of State Colin Powell for opposing the Iraq War – then rips into Condoleeza Rice – calling her “naïve” for trying to negotiate with the North Koreans.
I guess Cheney would have preferred just bombing them. Cheney, who got five deferments from serving in Vietnam, even admits that back in 2007 – he urged President Bush to launch military strikes against a Syrian nuclear site. Luckily – no one else in the White House agreed with Cheney. Cheney then goes on to praise the use of torture – confirming that he is not only a war criminal – but also a proud war criminal. As for Cheney’s thoughts on Bush – he praised him as a “strong and resolute” leader. Go figure.
I say as soon as the book hit shelves next Tuesday – it should immediately be entered into evidence in the war crimes trial against the Bush administration.
It troubles me that they could not find an American, especially an African American capable of making the monument.
Martin Luther King memorial made in China It is perhaps a fitting tribute to racial co-operation. However, the decision to outsource to China the carving of a new national memorial to Martin Luther King has raised eyebrows in the United States.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8715823/Martin-Luther-King-memorial-made-in-China.html
Do as I say, not as I do...
Divorce rates in Bible Belt higher than in NYC
Divorce rates are higher in the Bible Belt than in liberal bastions like New York City. So says the U.S. Census Bureau, whose first-ever analysis found that marriages are more likely to make it in New York or New Jersey than in socially conservative states like Oklahoma, Georgia or Alabama.
"The reason is that young adults in the South and West tend to have less education and marry earlier, both of which lead to a higher risk of divorce," said Andrew Cherlin, a sociology professor at Johns Hopkins University.
RE: Voting Machine
We all know the depth of mischief which protects the continued use of the machines, and also, how difficult it is to inform information challenged voters about them. I encourage every progressive talks show host to preface ABSOLUTELY every comment about elections -- past or future -- with the following:
"Although we don't know the actual results of the election because of the use of voting machines, those in charge of 'vote counting' seem to have selected ___."
"as soon as the book hit shelves next Tuesday – it should immediately be entered into evidence in the war crimes trial against the Bush administration."
It is only fair this should happen when a woman can go on Dr. Phil for help and then be arrrested and convicted of child abuse using his tapes as evidence.
When is this trial, anyway?
SSI, COLA And Win, Win, Win!
Since we folks on Social Security haven't received a COLA increase in a couple of years, doesn't it seem that providing this overdue increase now would be a multiple win. First, it would help the financially strapped seniors. Next, it would be another way to directly put cash back into the financial systems. Also, it would help Obama cement support from the important, voting elders in our society.
Thom, could you attempt to ask Bernie to start referring to the "Payroll Tax Holiday" as the "Social Security Insurance (SSI) Premium Holiday," which is more precise and would not be as automatically rejected by those poor lost souls on the Right. Framing/Meme, in this day and age, is CRITICAL! With that in mind, how about "... our Republican Faction" rather than "... our Republican Friends?"
How do we get out of the negative "entitlement" connotation? When we pay for something, we are entitled to it! I've seen people react as though being shot when some right winger sneers "entitlement"!
This is crazy stuff!
Remember, it's only called "class war" when we fight back!
Enter the real world. As a salesman I have seen 50-60% decreases in my income. I think it is fair to say the only group that has not seen huge decreases are Government workers. If Social Security payments stay the same for the next five years it would still be ahead of the pay hits most of the real world workers have taken.
The AG won't go after Cheney. Obama has let all of these guys off the hook. Even Nancy Pelosi said congress won't go after the Bush Admin for war crimes. If we truely are a nation of laws, then this should be automatic and we should at least have hearings on the Bush fiasco. This should include 9/11 failures, Katrina failures, economy failures, rigged voting results, supreme court irregularities and on and on and on. Sadly, Obama, and Congress are too chicken or have been paid off. I suspect both. Obama has dissapointed us all! He was suppose to be for the majority of us and is proving to be just another pawn for Wall Street and big multi-national corporations.
Amen, Thom, let the war crimes trials begin.
I can't believe Cheney has the nerve to pimp his book. Why doesn't that rich spider crawl back into his well-heeled hole and stay until he dies? I guess he thinks he can boldly, proudly admit that he committed torture and thinks he'll be protected. He deserves no more protection than ANY REAL PERSON (NOT CORPORATION) citizen of the US.
I'd like to see if you could live on what they (ss receipients) are getting. I bet it's alot less than your income even with a 50-60% decrease! How would you feel if you lost your job and all you got was social security?
I sure hope so. Like to see him and Bush snatched up to stand trial for war crimes, if not here at the Hague. Holder is so lily-livered....
I agree. I must also add that in all fairness, former VP Cheney did serve one very good purpose for the last administration. Everyone who detested Bush still had a vested interest in keeping him allive and healthy... Knowing that Cheney was waiting with baited breath in the wing to usurp control and send us cascading back into the dark ages. Choosing him as the VP candidate was probably the smartest and most sinister thing G.W. did from before he became president, right on up till he finaly left the place.
Cheney War criiminal - Lied us into Iraq- cheater- maker of sweet deals with Big oil ? Yes but no one gives a rats A$$ about super powerful who break laws, even kill innocents. and walk away unscathed. Even make money off their ' crimes' Folks should NOT buy this book but millions of GOP Cons Baggers will do so to honor ' one of their own'
Why ? Crime, greed, avarice pays great in the USA
Dick Cheney is a war criminal. So is George W. Bush. I believe that Cheney will never leave the United States for fear of being arrested. I have mixed feelings about his book. I don't trust him. I have no reason to believe anything he says of substance. I am curious to know what he wrote, but not enough to want to spend more than $1 for the privilege. I may borrow the book from my local library. I can't see giving him any income from writing about his crimes. Isn't there a law against profitting from writing about criminal acts. Oh, I guess he is immune because he hasn't been convicted. I would love to see him defend his actions in a court of law. His own testimony seems to prove his guilt. His evil choices have casused the deaths of thousands of people . . . such a man cannot be punished enough.
Philip Henderson, Ethical magician
As Chicken Hawk in Chief we should never be surprised what little dicky is up to.
Regretfully we have entered a time of no reprisals against the true criminal element. I guess it's better business to incarcerate pot heads than those who piss on the Constitution for profit.
I will not support him by and buying his book...
I worked in your so called real world for almost 23 years before switching to a unionized public sector job 14 years ago. Guess what, I took a big pay cut and still come home tired, yes it's real work, but I'm treated with respect and am much happier. So maybe the answer for you would be the creation of more jobs like mine so you too could have one and experience Democratic Socialism instead of suffering big drops in pay everytime a few rich guys decide to do a hedgey bubble dance.
Fact: If there was a trial, and one American life was saved by information gained through waterboarding, I guarantee you a "not guilty" verdict.
Finally someone has awakened to the facts, George Bush should be tried not only as a war criminal, but also a traitor. Both of his wars have caused the present economic chrisis in this country. He did not even have the good sense to see what war did to Russia in Afghanistan, and not repeat the mistake here in the U.S. Alchida should write him a letter of thanks, for he did more damage to the U.S. than any Alchida operative ever could. None of the terrorists were from Iraq. I wonder how many jobs have been lost as a result of the previous leadership? It will take decades for us to recover from George, if ever.
DICK CHENEY SELF- DOCUMENTED WAR CRIMINAL / PROFITEER
Picture this ......A Scrooge of a man obsessing about Halliburton second quarter earnings while a child somewhere crys himself to sleep night after night because Dad was out of work and decided to join the army and never made it back alive from Iraq.
Will little Dick's confession save us tax payers any money.....no drawn out trial?
That's complete BS.
Maybe we could save lives by killing people - everybody who doesn't look like "us." We could just dispense with the nonsense of assuming innocence. That's been tried before - the Wehrmacht was ordered to bypass and isolate NW Russia and just starve the people to death during Operation Barbarossa. Napoleon wanted slave states to surround France so that enemies would have a formidable path if they wanted to get to Paris and its fine dining.
KSM was tortured incessantly. Hell, he might have even liked it - he mocked the agents who were doing it. All of the useful information that the FBI got from him was BEFORE the CIA started working him over. You get ZERO useful information to "prevent a death" when you have a guy in custody for years and try to force him to tell you what's going to happen tomorrow. You should look at the astrology page - it's usually just after the comics, and you don't have to feed or clothe it.
Cheney, Bush, Yoo, Bybee, Rumskull, Rice, Tenet, Gonzalez, and the rest of the bunch need to stand in the docket. Toss in Kissinger for good measure.
Mr. Cheney will never face trial nor spend a moment in confinement any more than Kissinger has. I would also like to add that Cheney was the first Vice-President in our nation's history who refused to put his financial holdings in a blind trust. Those holdings included his Halliburton stock. After negotiating a very favorable Pentagon contract for Halliburton to provide "logistical support" to our armed services, he became their CEO in 1995. Lynne Cheney served on the board of Lockheed Martin from 1995 to 2001 and was paid millions of dollars from that defense contractor. According to Naomi Klein's book "The Shock Doctrine: The rise of disaster capitalism," when Dick Cheney left Halliburton to become Vice President, he received both stock options and Halliburton stock as part of his retirement package. He sold some shares making $18.5 million in profit. He held onto another 189,000 shares and 500,000 unvested options. Halliburton received billions in government funds in no-bid military contracts. Before the Iraq war, Halliburton stock was valued under $10.00 per share. Cheney finally sold his Halliburton shares three years after the start of the Iraq war for $41.00 per share.
Dick Cheney is not only a draft dodger and a war criminal, he is also a war profiteer. He and his wife made tens of millions of dollars off the blood of our troops fighting a war he and his financial allies invented for profit. Words are insufficient to for the treason he has committed and the profits he has made on the blood and sacrifice of others. He is a coward and a traitor. By the way, Donald Rumsfeld did the same thing with his Gilead Sciences stock. The Pentagon bought billions of dollars of Tamiflu from Gilead, Rumsfeld's prior employer, while he was acting defense secretary.
If there were a god and justice did reign supreme Dick would die a slow and painful death. Or maybe suffer like thousands of Iraqis in which they were burned by the napalm and other munitions but did not die. They just suffered. Cheney??? What a Dick.
As a small family owned electrical contracting business who always paid its bills on time for over 30 years and who's credit was cut off by Chase and US Bank anyway, and loss of income caused by customer bankruptcies, and countless hours spent dealing with angry creditors, and loss of credibility with employees, and loss of credibility with customers, and customer service that we no longer can provide in full due to reduced staff, and no credit line to manage cash flow, and a child ready for college with no help from his parents so he can register, and no health insurance for my wife who almost died in 2001 at the age of 41 from a heart attack caused by a blood clot, and the infinite stress caused by all of this that is killing me except for anti depressant pills that I think keep me alive in some way but still not alive as I recall in a former life when my teacher father had benefits that paid for me to go to a doctor when needed.
I remember when I started my electrical business in 1986 and did most of the installations myself with a helper when needed. I met with some union electricians and could not hire any of them since they expected more than I could possibly pay them. Now in 2012 I get resumes and calls from former union electricians who have no work anymore so they cannot afford to keep paying their dues.
I am a licensed supervising electrician, licensed electrical contractor and licensed general contractor in Chicago IL. It has always been a struggle to survive since I discovered along the way that contractors tend to be at the bottom of the feeding chain. Especially in the financial area but not limited to any type of humiliation that can be visited upon any person.
I always hope for better days to come. I no longer see any hope for anyone who works for a living.
Meyer Electrical Construction Inc
regarding Dick Cheney...Halliburton is not a small business so he doesn't count.
regarding the text of your blog you need an editor who notices misspelled words like "rigable" and "loosing" since it distracts from your message.
too tired to say more at the moment...will hopefully return to elaborate after some rest
I totally agree with you. Dick Cheney, who along with others in the Bush White House, lied in order to gt us into two wars that have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, is a totally good person. I mean come on, it's not like God cares about those foreigners we have killed. In fact, God wants us to kill lots more of them. But when they kill one of us, oh, God just hates that. And don't get me started on those illegal aliens, because God hates them, too. He told me so.
Dick Cheney should be put on trial for war crimes, crimes against humanity, etc., etc.. And in preparation for the trial he should be waterboarded, because waterboarding, as all republicans know, isn't torture (in fact, it's rather pleasant once you get used to the idea of inhaling water), it's just a casual way to ask for information from people whom you think might be enemies and of course that would include Cheney. And if the information gained by waterboarding Cheney allowed us to save not only one, but thousands of American lives by cancelling our illegal wars, I think Dick Cheney would be the first to agree that it's a very good idea, representative of a country that has a robust policy of dealing with enemies foreign AND domestic. Dick, are you out there? Are you listening? And if so, would you mind terribly if you get waterboarded to save American lives?
Presidents don't go after other aministrations. I think it has something to do with the each adminstration making the constitution their own personal joke. Mutally Assured Destruction!
The truly tragic aspect of the Obama administration's failure to take any steps to seek justice for the crimes perpetrated by Bush and Cheney is that we now have absolutely no standing whatsoever anywhere in the world. Whenever I hear Obama or someone in his administration talk about injustices in other parts of the world, I want to laugh. Or scream. Or swear. We have painted ourselves into a deep dark corner. There is no reason why anyone in the world today should respect anything the United States government says about ANYTHING!
Tell it like it is: your income has gone down because government workers are paid a fair living wage. If we could only stop those government workers from being paid a fair living wage, you would make more money. I say, when a wealthy guy who lives in a gated community offshores your job to India, you should blame the schoolteacher who lives down the street from you. It doesn't have to make sense and it doesn't have to be true. Just blame who you are told to blame!
But when rich people create financial problems for America and those problems directly result in me making less money, I prefer to blame the firefighters. It's, like, totally their fault. If their trucks weren't red, I would still have my job.
And I will tell you why trillions of dollars in bailout money was given to the richest people in America. It's because policemen are paid a fair living wage. If policemen were not paid a fair living wage, the rich people would never have held America's economy hostage and demanded trillions of dollars in bailout money. Everyone knows this.
But we're not done yet, because all of the money in the Social Security fund has to be given to the Wall Street crooks who got all of the bailout money, because how can we fix Social Security unless we give all of the Social Security money to the crooks?
And there are only two more things that have to happen in order for America to return to her former glory as the boss of the entire world: all of the money in Medicare and Medicaid also has to be given to the rich people. I mean, it's not like we have any sick people in America. God loves America, which is why no one in America ever gets sick. So if someone does get sick in America, well, that's proof that they are not an American and that God doesn't love them, so why in the world would we give medical treatment to an illegal alien who God doesn't love?
And when all of these things are done, you will make more money as a salesman. I'm sure of it.
A Poem for Dick Cheney
by leighmf, since he is so notorious
Do you deserve a Heart, Old Man,
slayer of innocents without a can
of Pepsi or chips to satisfy?
Can you file Amendments for Lie after Lie?
Last minute confessions, before you die-
Give up your concessions- to the last Freedom Fry.
Should you admit it?
Can you escape Hell?
Others are living it.
Quite a bad smell
about your case Generally,
there's much more to tell.
Oh Cheney, Dick Chain Store, you're such a Perp-
gas-x file burp.
Free Minnie Now,
A Forensical show!
The Zapata Generation won't
own two shoes to throw.
It should be noted, that the first thing FDR did in 1933, was to bailout the banks. The Federal Reserve was instructed to get money to the banks, make those that were viable fully funded. The FDR version of TARP. That was in March of 1933. In May, FDR instituted is QE1, which was the injection of $3billion dollars into the economy backed by nothing but the credit of the US. In 2009 money, that is about $721 billion. That does not include the doubling of what the US would pay for gold, and the purchase of silver. It also did as much.
Actually, there is another reason that presidents don't go after other administrations, and it started some time ago. If a sitting president goes after the guy who was president before him and puts him in jail, it creates a precedent, a mind-set in which the little people start thinking in terms of, "If our president commits horrible crimes, we can put him in jail just like the government would put us in jail if we committed horrible crimes." And the last thing any government wants is for their citizens to have that reciprocal option, because all governments commit crimes on a regular basis; all governments break the rules that they say the little people have to obey.
When a politician puts his predecessor in jail, he has to take extraordinary measures to ensure that no one puts him in jail for his crimes. In countries where political leaders put each other in jail, you tend to see governments like China, Russia, Malasia, Singapore, and so on, where whoever is in power is frightened to the point of clinical paranoia that someone will do to him what he does to other people, and so they are always on the lookout for enemies, they throw people in prison just on the off chance that they might be enemies. Throwing powerful enemies in jail opens up a can of worms that is impossible to close once it's opened. So American politicians don't open that can of worms, they "forgive" the criminals that were in office before them, knowing that they, too, will be forgiven when their time in office is done.
But occasionally there are extraordinary circumstances, such as when Richard Nixon ordered his staff to spy on his politican enemies. He got in a whole truckload of trouble for that, which was as it should have been, because no other president has ever ordered his staff to spy on other Americans. No, wait, actually every president has ordered his staff to spy on his political enemies. So why did Nixon get in trouble for it, when no other president has gotten in trouble for it, and in fact Bush created the lie that our government has to spy on every American? My best guess is that Nixon disobeyed some very powerful people, and so they spanked him. Those powerful people love it when politicians break the law, and they keep records, so when a particular politician disobeys them, they trot out the crimes that that politician has committed.
In the late 1960's, I went with Thom Hartmann, my brother, and a few other friends to visit a Michigan State Representative. He told us that we would not believe the amount of corruption in government. He said that from the day that people are elected to powerful political offices, they are offered hookers, drugs, anything they could possibly want. And they are photographed or videotaped doing those illegal things and then they are blackmailed; if they show signs that they will disobey the people who have corrupted our government, those people trot out the videotapes, photos, signed depositions, etc.. I heard the exact same thing from a former Sergeant-of-Arms of the Washington State Legislature in Olympia, Washington. For the most part, politics has always been a business of outright force and/or blackmail, with occasional exceptions such as Bernie Sanders, who can't be bought or manipulated. The State legislator I referred to above told us that he didn't drink or use drugs, and that when he realized it would be impossible to tell whether any woman who showed interest in him was a hooker hired by corporate executives who wanted to influence his votes, he decided to be celebate.
FDR also convinced capitalists to invest in their government and towns with the purchase of special tax condition federal bonds. In Fort Wayne, it was private investors buying Home Owners Loan Corporation Bonds and Federal National Mortgage Securities that gave money to banks for refinancing the mortgages of the roaring twenties.
He had the choice of dealing with robber barons or a nation living in boxes.
The fed and the treasury are two different things. The fed is independant, privately owned, and cannot be ordered or instructed to do anything.
Rather than boycott the book, buy it and scan it to youtube or another download sharing site, so most people pay nothing. Wouldn't hurt to edit it a little, so cheney has to fund a correction team.
John Wayne Gacey, [Bachman's favourite Iowa son] did some paintings and people bought them, but he didn't profit.
The Federal Reserve is suppose to be separate, in that it isn't suppose to be political, but since the President appoints all the main players, the senate confims all the main players, and congress has oversight, it is hard to think of it as being privately owned. Member banks get interest on the reserves deposited with the Fed, and then all profit is given to the US Treasury. Since the Fed determines the reserve requirement, it only seems fair.
I suppose you would prefer the democrat Andrew Jackson's approach. He deposited the funds in state banks, carefully selected for patronage, infact they were referred to as his "pet banks", and in the first recession, they didn't perform at all. Then the Pres Van Buren, democrat from NY, created the "sub treasury" system, which was a patronage run system, and was structually unable to administer monetary policy. After the recession of 1907, democratic President Wilson pushed for creation of the Federal Reserve, the central bank of the US.
I have left my job and I will apply for SS. It will be my primary income. Added to by 45 years of savings in a diverse number of investments. All of which have far outpaced the non growth my, and my employers, contribution to SS have produced.
Voter ID will solve many of your issues because it will help eliminate uninformed non resident voters from even getting the chance to cast problem ballots.
The Dick Cheney Autobiography that I wrote is a lot more enjoyable to read: "I'm Right and You're Dumb! The Unauthorized Autobiography of Dick Cheney." On Amazon.com and DickCheneyAutobiography.com. Although a humor book, it probably has more factual content than his real autobiography.
How is it possible to have an unauthorized autobiography?
Like you said every administration commits crimes against the constitution and its citizenry. That was my point, hence the term mutally assured destruction.
Don't expect any help from Obama...he'd pardon Cheney in an instance. Although he wouldn't get pardons from many other world leaders.
please provide examples as opposed to Republican county or state clerks who find thousand of votes that change elections.
FBI organizes almost all terror plots in the US
Published: 23 August, 2011, 01:02
"The FBI has in recent years used trained informants not just to snitch on suspected terrorists, but to set them up from the get-go. A recent report put together by Mother Jones and the Investigative Reporting Program at the University of California-Berkley analyses some striking statistics about the role of FBI informants in terrorism cases that the Bureau has targeted in the decade since the September 11 attacks.
The report reveals that the FBI regularly infiltrates communities where they suspect terrorist-minded individuals to be engaging with others. Regardless of their intentions, agents are sent in to converse within the community, find suspects that could potentially carry out “lone wolf” attacks and then, more or less, encourage them to do so. By providing weaponry, funds and a plan, FBI-directed agents will encourage otherwise-unwilling participants to plot out terrorist attacks, only to bust them before any events fully materialize.
Additionally, one former high-level FBI officials speaking to Mother Jones says that, for every informant officially employed by the bureau, up to three unofficial agents are working undercover.
The FBI has used those informants to set-up and thus shut-down several of the more high profile would-be attacks in recent years. The report reveals that the Washington DC Metro bombing plot, the New York City subway plot, the attempt to blow up Chicago’s Sears Tower and dozens more were all orchestrated by FBI agents. In fact, reads the report, only three of the more well-known terror plots of the last decade weren’t orchestrated by FBI-involved agents.
The report reveals that in many of the stings, important meetings between informants and the unknowing participants are left purposely unrecorded, as to avoid any entrapment charges that could cause the case to be dismissed."
You'd think that this event would make McCain go crawl back under a rock from where he came:
Very, Very Ugly:
"As Ed Schultz noted earlier this week, it looks Sen. John McCain, who's done nothing but criticize President Obama at every turn for his handling of the situation in Libya, has a little explaining to do. This Friday, Chris Hayes went after him for talking tough and playing the bully, when in reality he's just another deal making politician who will cozy up with dictators if he feels it's necessary.
A leaked U.S. diplomatic cable shows that Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain promised to help Libyan dictator Muammar Qadhafi obtain U.S. military hardware in 2009.
The cable, released by the open information group WikiLeaks, reveals the pledge came at meeting that was attended by other prominent members of Congress, including Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.).
In the meeting, Muatassim Qadhafi, the Libyan leader’s fifth son and national security adviser, requested U.S. assistance in obtaining military supplies, both lethal and non-lethal.
The cable indicates that McCain was the dominant voice among the congressional delegation in a push for military hardware for Qadhafi.
“Sen. McCain assured Muatassim that the United States wanted to provide Libya with the equipment it needs for its … security,” according to the cable.
McCain said that he understood the need for Libya to upgrade its existing ranks of C-130 Hercules aircraft. Libya had bought eight of the military cargo aircraft in the 1970s, but as bilateral relationships with the United States deteriorated, a ban of arms sales prevented the aircraft from being moved to North Africa. McCain pledged to do what he could to move the issue forward in Congress.
McCain stressed that Libya needed to fulfill its commitments of giving up its weapons of mass destruction in order for bilateral engagement to go forward."
Quote from Crooks and Liars website featuring...
The last word with Lawrence O'donnell on MSNBC and the video shows McCain shaking hands with the terrorists he had previously ranted against.
And heres the Politico article about the Wikileaks leak:
Quick sell all of your diamonds before their value plumets to that of dirt.
Astronomers have discovered a planet made of diamond.
Vermont town votes to arrest Bush and Cheney if they ever come into town.
Happy Anything Goes Friday
My frustration is, that in light of the existence of undetectably hackable, rigable voting machines, I see no real need for debate here in discussing elections, especially in terms of winning or loosing the vote because the candidate is or is not the favorite and the choice of the people or will ruin his/her chances for election by certain actions; and I wish that some influential groups - those we have supported for their great work now and in the past, you know, Green Peace, Unions, Progressive Magazines, progressive Web Sites and TV shows, any Progressive organizations with legal teams and with fund-raising capabilities, Van Jones?……. - would initiate a fund-raising push to legally get rid of computerized voting machines now inherent and clearly doing their dirty work in our precious election system. I believe that what happens in our next election will mirror what happened in Wisconsin’s recent recall. See Thom Hartmann Pahrumplife comment. http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2011/08/democracy-died-first-wisconsin-%E2%80%93-long-live-oligarchs#comment-92442 “The two Democrats’ winning” really has no significance if their vote in a “rubber stamp” forum is impotent. The massive passive resistance in Madison, the “punking” of Walker in the lap of the Koch brothers, the indignant Unions, the weeks of comment by progressive media outlets, the parades of intellectuals, of blue collar workers and of the usually conservative farmers couldn’t put the legislative forum in the control of progressive humanitarian brains and even notwithstanding the fishy delays in releasing the voting results in the final decisive ward, the legislative control remains with the conservatives.
Going on as if any and all elections these days are fair and just and veridical seems to engage in some kind of deceit. It tends to eliminate or lessen the significance of talking points and heated debates about election contenders for talk shows and websites, both progressive and so-called conservative, especially during election campaigns which essentially begin right after the last election in today’s media; but, having any faith in the vote in the presence of the easily hacked machines makes any talk-show or website host look like a Pollyanna or one who is OK with the status quo use of any voting machines because they can and no doubt will make any vote a vote for the Kochs and their ilk even if it’s a vote for a hamstrung Democrat.
No matter how many people can be mustered in the usual grassroots neighborhood-organized proven method, “the referendum,” this process would effect a conundrum, would be futile with manipulated voting machines. And civil disobedience would make a strong statement but would feed the empires doing the arresting, imprisoning, litigating, trying in the business of the courts, and bending the media and would exacerbate and waste brilliance effectively preoccupied with dire trouble. Instead grassroots is going to need money, organization, decorum and major legal skills to influence the legislature.
Please start copiously talking about how we can get rid of voting machines. I believe that many of us do and will appreciate any discussion on the subject. Occasionally touching on it just won’t get rid of this key problem. Talking up and effecting our best options for the people to support just may.