Maybe we need to Occupy the internet. That's what Anonymous does..except they use special techniques to do things like DDoS attacks using zombie computers. But if enough people clog up the internet web sites of targeted corporations, banks, etc with normal surfing they could "take down" web sites. And there would be nothing illegal about it..just normal people doing normal surfing. Of course it would take a lot of participation, without the tools that Anonymous, eg, would use.

Some people take all their junk mail and, instead of just throwing it away, send it back, using the pre-paid stamps, without accepting their "offers" to make it cost these pests time and money. Of course, if you reply to these offers on the internet, just to turn them down, it lets the originator of the spam know that you received their spam and that you really exist. They then send you even more and sell your email address to others as "having replied". I don't know, maybe that is the same with snail mail as well. But at least snail mail isn't as automated and it would cost the originators money just to open your letters and discover there is no money to be made in it.

Our local post office sometimes delivers mail to the wrong houses...I get neighbors mail...and I am sure they get mine. If they steam open your mail and see your bank account number and account balances and other sensitive information this could be very dangerous. Information is power and if they have private information like this, they have some amount of power over you.

Sometimes I have even gotten mail meant for someone clear across town. And I'm sure that others have gotten mine...and that is the really scarey thing because we are always getting very sensitive information in the mail...statements from the banks..even if we don't bank there we get offers, etc, and we get these blank checks from credit cards..that we never use...nor would we ever use. And banking on-line, or having an on-line connection to credit cards, is not safe either..as has been proven so many times. The banks try to cover it up...and don't want you to know about all of the on-line bank account heists that go on all the time. Big money gets sucked out of people's bank account through electronic transfers. And the courts have sided with the banks...not holding them culpable for restitution to the depositors. They blame the depositor. They try to say that depositors are reckless with their account numbers and passwords when in fact they are just banking on-line and hackers are using man-in-the-middle and other hacking methods to steal your account number and passwords. The fact that a number of certificate of authority (CA) providers have been hacked and compromised proves that even the encryption security can be breached. Once they get the CAs, or in other cases, your cookies*..your baked. The DigiNotar CAs were breached a couple of months ago and this destroyed DigiNotar's credibility and they are now out of business. But others have been breached....

And this...just a few minutes ago....
"As two more certificate authorities report breaches in their networks, the Electronic Frontier Foundation found that there were more CAs that appear to have been compromised.

Two more certificate authorities have recently uncovered breaches in their networks and suspended issuing new digital certificates, prompting new concerns about trusting the CA system and the danger of relying on a system riddled with so many problems."

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/More-CAs-Report-Breaches-Suspend-Issui...

*Once your identity is established using the normal "secure" procedures using CAs and encryption, special "sessions cookies" are used to identify you in further session transactions..for the duration of that period of time you are transacting with your bank (or any other "secure server" you connect with). Check out Firesheep. . A Firefox extension that demonstrates HTTP session hijacking attacks. Once your sessions cookies is known by a hacker he can use that to do a man in the middle attack. You would be connected with your bank, but through the attacker's node. He would see everything you do on-line when connected to your bank.

Jobless and Clueless: America's Delusional Democracy
By Joel S. HirschhornURL of this article: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27508Global Research, November 6, 2011

http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/bloomberg_eyes_bank_of_america.php

Hopefully this link will get to the story today from Bloomberg about Bank Of America's dumping derivitaves into the FDIC, which the Fed approved of. If the link doesn't work try googling Bloomberg eyes Bank of America's derivitives move on Columbia Journalism Review page. Glad I'm getting my money out.

Palindromedary, Thom and Louise, thank you for these valuable packages of information. Palindromedary, I will again copy and paste what you have had to say concerning the banking system and hackers etc. Many peoples do not know this. - Cygnus1

Sacramento Dave, a comment well put, though I wonder about this statement? "So lets go ahead and let them have our Social Security and our Medicare." I suppose you meant this:

So let the 1% have our Social Security and Medicare because we will come into a better order of events which will gain us back more than we have lost or will lose, and they, the 1% will go directly into concentration camps to be dealt with later through the implimentation of Universal Law and Principle. - Cygnus1

I have seen none of the facts Thom has laid out in the news discussing the bankruptcy filing by Jefferson County. Why is that?

I like your ideas to Occupy the Internet. It appears that the only power We the Little People still have is our numbers. We have been stripped of almost everything else.

As to your hacking commentary, I always wondered about banking by phone now that Bush's Big Brother Homeland Security is able to tap phones, when we call our banks to transfer funds, couldn't damage be done by having the phone number, account number, bank balance and PIN number? I am not sure what anyone could do other than drain my savings into my checking, but there always seems to be a way to rip people off when the corporates hold all the cards.

Cynus: Wall Street's Wars
Fallujah Veteran: 'I Served The 1%'
Thoughts on the role of veterans in the Occupy movement
By Ross Caputi
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29663.htm

Sushi:
Well even if you don't bank by phone or the internet...all someone has to do is get your account number and routing number which are both on the checks and they can use them to do an electronic transfer on your account.

I found this out when someone stole letters out of an outside Post Office box including several bills I had paid by check. I felt very bothered that the box was pretty full and after I put the mail in realized that it was pretty full and that it would be easy for someone to reach in...if they had small arms and grab some letters. It wouldn't be too hard for people to use a stick or wire or a flexible grabber to steal mail out of these boxes anyway. I only mail inside at the post office now!

When I was notified, by my credit card company, that they did not receive the check, I also found out that the other bills I paid that day was not received either and were overdue. I went to the bank and did a stop payment on those checks...and got new account numbers.

Then, later, I got a bank statement that had a couple of electronic transfers out of my account by some strange sounding "businesses?". Luckily, they were small amounts..couple of hundred dollars. I went back to the bank and had them do an investigation on this...and after a couple of months I was notified that those amounts were put back into my account. The bank would not say anything more, even after I asked them about it.

I said that it didn't seem to me that this was very secure when an electronic transfer could occur without me doing the transfer. The bank manager said well all they have to do is get your bank account number and routing number and it is very easily done. Since those two numbers are on the bottom of the checks if anyone gets hold of your check then they could do an electronic transfer. And the odd thing about it is that they didn't even need a password to do the transfer.

And even still, nearly a year since the first problems, I had a notification by my credit card company that they did not receive payment even though I mailed it a couple of weeks before due date and mailed it inside our local post office. I don't know if it was my credit card company trying to milk me for late charges as I always pay my bills in total and well before due date, or if it was the local post office who failed to send my letter. (I no longer mail through the local post office...I go to a more major branch now.)

I tell you...we keep out money in the banks to keep it safe and so no one can rob us...but it looks like they can do it anyway...and you won't even know it...at least until you get your statement..unless you go to your ATM and check it that way...which would be one plus for the idea of on-line banking because you can check anytime you want and really watch your money. But on-line banking is dangerous because it is not secure.

When you use on-line banking, you are using the internet...and when you connect to your bank...you do not have a solid, continuous "connection" except by something called a session cookie. The communications is encrypted, which is good, except it depends upon something called certificates of authority (CA) and, if the CAs were not compromised, then a useful encryption can be established. And your computer, talking to your bank's computer, and vice versa, does so in momentary bursts of data..you are not actually "connected" except through the fact that the encryption allows both you and the bank to understand one another every time a burst of data is transmitted. If a hacker obtains your encrypted session cookie they can fool your bank into thinking they are communicating with you and then the hacker can make you think you are communicating directly with your bank. But the hacker is watching everything.

Another possibility exists, in fact, very likely...that the on-line user's computer has had a trojan keystroke logger installed that used root-kit technology to hide from any virus checker and the hacker can glean your passwords, and such, from when you type it it on your keyboard. This bypasses the security of encryption because it is external to the user/bank server communications.

And I would not think that phone banking is very secure either.

The safest way is to just go in to the bank...inside the bank...because you can easily get robbed at an ATM and if you're not careful to cover your PIN number when you key it in...and don't let anyone see what is on the screen. Some banks display your account balance right up on the screen for anyone standing next to you to see.

And check to see if there is anything hokey about the ATM keypad and the slot where you stick your card...because criminals have temporarily installed devices to read your card and detect the pin as you type it in. Any keypad overlays are a dead give away...or any unusual looking card slot bezel could read your card.

I always look for anything odd at the ATM before I use it and also keep very aware at who is around me...or who might be monitoring the ATM use from a distance...like a car or van...anyone watching with a telescope or binoculars....but of course that is being a little paranoid but I'd rather be paranoid than sorry I was careless and find someone wiped me out.

One thing about some bank ATMs is that it is very easy to forget you left your card in the ATM. Some other banks prevent this by not giving you your money until you remove your card. If you get your money, and your card is still in the ATM, you can easily walk away with your money and forget your card. Very easy to do. Isn't that right...Bank of America? ...not that I bank at B or A ...but I've heard stories....and know people who have had these problems.

Thanks Palindromedary. I forgot about this "paper" and have not seen it for years. I now post what you have posted earier along with a little more. On one of my posts there is an = sign before my name. That was supposed to be a dash. It was not representing anything. - Cygnus1

"Wall Street's Wars
Fallujah Veteran: 'I Served The 1%'

Thoughts on the role of veterans in the Occupy movement

By Ross Caputi

November 08, 2011 "Information Clearing House" - I did not serve my country in Iraq; I served the 1%. It was on their behalf that I helped lay siege to Fallujah, helped kill thousands of civilians, helped displace hundreds of thousands of innocent people, and helped destroy an entire city. My "service" served Exxon-Mobil, Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, and other multinational corporations in Iraq.

My family in Massachusetts is not safer because of my service, and Iraqis are not freer. I helped oppress Iraqis in a manner far more brutal than what has been experienced by the Occupy movement at the hands of the New York and Oakland police departments.

I was an occupier and am now an #occupier. I once served the 1%, but now try to serve the 99%. That is why I must speak up when I see the Occupy movement being led astray by the same nationalism and “Ameri-centrism,” the same thoughtless praises for U.S. troops and veterans, and the same hypocrisy that led us into the so-called “War On Terror” and the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Many of us have joined the Occupy movement, because we identify as members of the 99%, but the media only began to highlight our participation after Cpl. Scott Olsen was shot in the head by the Oakland police with a projectile on Oct. 25. Olsen was immediately rushed to the emergency room, and his name soon became a rallying cry. A nationwide call was put out for vigils in solidarity with Olsen.

Going to war is not "serving our country"

The Occupy movement was quick to highlight Olsen's "service" and his two deployments to Iraq. The New York Times noted that "his injury—and the oddity of a Marine who faced enemy fire only to be attacked at home—has prompted an outpouring of sympathy, as well as calls for solidarity."

Although Olsen appears to oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—he is a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War and Veterans For Peace,—the Occupy movement's response to his attack has revealed ambivalence on these issues.

The Occupy movement has glossed over the irony that Olsen was put in the hospital by some of the same tactics that his Marine Corps has used against Iraqis. It has not drawn a connection between what happened to Olsen and what happened to Iraqis who peacefully protested against the U.S. occupation of their country—like in Fallujah on April 28, 2003, when the U.S. fired into a crowd of protesters and killed 13 civilians. Countless other identical incidents have taken place, even today as Iraqis also protest unemployment, corruption and lack of services.

When the Occupy movement mentions Olsen's "service" without clarifying who he served, they hide the lies of the 1% and ignore the more than 1 million dead Iraqis, the millions of refugees and orphans, and the dramatic rise in cancers and birth defects in Iraq." end of quote.

Many U.S. soldiers are also faced with birth defects of their children and it is also for this reason that many soldiers are never sent home for the public of these United States of America to witness the aftereffects. The Peoples of these United States of America must never forget what the 1% has made their sons and daughters, and other Military family members, participate in, for it takes a strong man or woman to stand AGAINST such wicked orders, be locked up and put on Military trial and demeaned in front of all of the United States (but that does not really work any longer to that extent). What one does to others is certainment to come back to them UNLESS they do a 180 degree turn as a nation. Then reparations may be made to an extent.

The horror which has been done to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine (white phosphorus there as well) by the west and their support of Israel and its claims, and wars against the innocent, is not just something which can be swept under the rug.

Submitted by Dan

"Long, long download direct to my computer was pictures of men, women, and children burned alive by white phosphorous and do not get me started on the horrible radiation poisoning of men, women, children, and babys.." end quote.

When these, the Peoples of these United States of America begin to realize the extent of that which their soldiers have been made to do (unfortunately I have read dialogues from pilots who have dropped bombs and enjoyed it, one was a British female soldier trained in the U.S.) then the Peoples of these United States will realize they MUST GET THEIR SOLDIERS OUT OF OTHER NATIONS "BEFORE" the 1% PUT THEM INTO THE NEXT WAR, FOR THE COUNTRIES AND PEOPLES THEY DESTROY ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE BEING DESTROYED, AS APPROXIMATELY 18 VETERANS PER DAY COMMIT SUCICIDE when returning home to these United States of America. These war veterans cannot relate to many around them for they "are changed men and women" as an Iraqi veteran told the public over RT, last night.

Generally, the Peoples of these United States of America have in the past been very indifferent to the atrocities committed by their own Military forces in other lands. The general public now in these United States of America "must all" become "sympathic" to the victims that their own Military created in other countries, for those in other countries ARE PEOPLE AND NOT THINGS, OR LIFELESS OBJECTS! THEN WE, TOGETHER, WILL BUILD PARADISE ON THE SOIL OF THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! - Cygnus1

Palindromedary, I remember in southern Iraq, (I do not remember the name of the place but I sure do remember the event), an Iraqi man was suffering from lack of water. Water was scarce. An American soldier was standing right there in front of a Priest or Minister of the Cloth, because he could not deal with what he had done to his Iraqi brothers. The Iraqi man begged the Priest (or Minister) for water, but the Priest (or Minister) took the little bit of water which was left and poured it over the American soldier to "absolve him of his sins, including cold blooded murder of his Iraqi brothers and sisters" and the Iraqi man died from thurst right where he stood several hours later.

The Peoples of these United States who have never been to war have absolutely no idea what their soldiers belonging to the 1% are doing to other human beings!!

However, if the Peoples of these United States wish to rebuild Paradise for themselves then we will help them, for it will be the same the world over, but if the Peoples of these United States still want their banks in operation, and want their Congresses and Senators and Presidents, instead, to make up the overall picture of their lives, then we will leave them to their own fancies and folly. Some People, Palindromedary, just never do learn. They shout for leniency on their University and College tuitions without realizing that by doing away with the present day system, all education could be theirs without cost. We are not sure these, the Peoples of these United States of America, are ready for Paradise just quite yet. - Cygnus1

Palindromedary, you have put it so very well! We are relieved to hear that the Peoples of these United States of America are beginning to make the elite sweat. But these 1% and their worker eyes "must" be arrested and placed far away from the Peoples so they can do no more damage nor interfere with what needs to be done. They will be brought, as we have said before, before a Council which will then look at their deeds according to Univeral Principle and Law.

We are not advocating that the Peoples of these United States of America initially stop using their money system entirely UNTIL the full transition is made into the setting up of the PARADISICAL system.

But what we are saying is this: that the Peoples of these United States of America demand "quantatative easing" for the purpose of eliminating all National and State debt, and making available suffient funds (quantative easing) for the purpose of repairing all of the United States of America's infrastructure including providing Universal health care and education, free of charge to the Peoples of these United States of America.

These United States of America do NOT INVEST IN THEIR YOUNG, THEY ONLY INVEST IN WARS AND DESTROYING THEIR YOUNG MAKING THEM INTO KILLING MACHINES!

THE YOUNG HAVE A CARROT DANGLED INFRONT OF THEM, SAYING "JOIN THE MILITARY AND WHEN YOU HAVE DONE YOUR TIME, YOU CAN HAVE FREE EDUCATION" (AFTER AND IF YOU SURVIVE THE WAR FOR THE 1%)

WHY, INSTEAD, ARE THE YOUNG OF THE NATION NOT TOLD: "STAY HOME! DO NOT FIGHT IN ISRAEL'S WARS AND DO NOT KILL ANYBODY, BECAUSE NOBODY THREATENED THE UNITED STATES, AND KEEP YOUR MENTAL, EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL SELF INTACT,... AND EDUCATE YOURSELVES "FREELY!"

Education is a RIGHT and should never be held up as BLACKMAIL!

Why are the Peoples of these United States of America asking the foreign based government sitting in the White House, for bread crumbs when they could have the whole loaf?!

Quantative easing for the repair of the nation's infrastructure will serve in creating jobs. The spinoff will then benefit all of the Peoples of these United States because such measures will increase the money supply for the benefit of the entire Nation.

This, INSTEAD of that plan which President Obama insists that even the poorest of working Americans must pay in "health care" costs, called of course, Obamacare. This, INSTEAD of any other plan your Presidents, Congress or Senators will come up with for the detriment of the people!

Anything less than the Universal system of Paradise for the Peoples of this World will not result in true freedom for the peoples of this earth. So, if the Peoples of these United States want a second rate system then carry on the way you have been going under the banking system working for the 1% and under their wicked thumb. It is, of course, up to the each and every one of you. Think on this because you, the Peoples of these United States of America, will not get to yourselves a second chance. - Cygnus!

Right on! Cignus1! Very good points.

Victorcg: Well, I don't pray but I sure wish you lots of good will and thanks for being in the vanguard, or the front line, of our struggle against the 1%. And bollox and pox on the Oakland Police if they try to disrupt you.

Peoples of these United States of America, Israel is trying desperately to make people FORGET that they are controlling the government who sits in the White House. You, THE PEOPLE, are so very close to losing your Freedom of Speech as did your neighbour to the north of these United States of America. There, in Canada, it is illegal to critize Israel or to even quote a Congressperson or Senator from these United States of America, if those politicians are affiliated with Israel and are verbalizing Israel's philosophy with regard to Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians, or even that of other cultures. The offending citizens can be put into prison for a maximum of a two year sentence. This may seem incrediable to the majority of you, our brothers and sisters, but your necks are next on Israel's chopping block.

It is only when an individual or a group cannot defend itself in a peaceful, intellectual, and intelligent manner, that such persons or groups resort to this sort of violence and cauterization of the rights of another.

It is always wise to keep abreast of what Israel's policies are doing to governments and Peoples world round, for what Israel's policies dish out to them, will surely be on Israeli's next agenda to be dished out to you, here in these United States of America.

Once YOU, THE PEOPLES OF THESE UNITED STATES HAVE LOST YOUR BASIC OF ALL RIGHTS, "FREE SPEECH" YOU HAVE LOST IT ALL. - Cygnus1

CONGRESS ATTEMPTING TO CRIMINALISE FREEDOM

"The bill appears to be a transparent attempt to criminalize solidarity with Palestinians and opposition to US policy supporting Israel’s siege of Gaza. It would effectively further erode First Amendment rights in order to intimidate and suppress criticism of Israel." www.whatreallyhappened.com

This lack of free speech begins with one issue and quickly mushrooms into a full-fledged atomic bomb-like scenario on every aspect of freedom of speech, whereby to even criticize the Israeli foreign-based government, sitting up there in the White House, will be "illegal." So We the People have to ourselves one last choice and that is to free ourselves from Israel's tallons and put the Eagle back in place.

The 1% cannot shut down every internet in the world without reprecussions, so the more peoples occupy the internet the more difficult it will be for the 1% and their worker eyes to curb freedom of speech. How hypocritical the foreign based government in Washington, D.C. is in telling the world they fight in other lands for Liberty and FreeSpeech for the Peoples of the Nations, when they, themselves, are trying to curb free speech in the country in which they sit, which is these United States of America.

SO, PEOPLES OF THE WORLD, OCCUPY THE INTERNET TOO! as Palindromedary has wisely suggested. And we are PROUD of all the BRAVE MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN WHO ARE THE OCCUPING FORCE FACING THE ELEMENTS IN THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND AROUND THE WORLD! What you fight for in Protests will surely come to you, if not in this life then in the next. BUT BUILDING PARADISE MEANS FIRSTLY CLEARING THE LAND OF ALL THE DEBRIS and this you are beginning to do for yourselves. - Cygnus1

Palindromedary, absolutely correct.I do not think the intelligent bought that Unibomber story either. The only thing the People need to be concerned about in relation to "terrorists" are their own foreign backed government and its Pentagon and where they will strike next. People in other nations are just too busy trying to survive after brutal U.S. foreign based attacks on their nations, as led and calculated by the 1%. - Cygnus1

I wanted to reply to Hartmann's blog about Jefferson County but the silly page doesn't give me that option ...

I don't know what Wall Street has to do with this ... The Jefferson County Commission itself has been at the hub of blatant fraud and mishandling of public money since long before Bush Jr. ever took office. Since 2003, we've had at least six separate commissioners convicted of fraud chargers, and our last mayor -- Larry Langford, a former commissioner himself -- is now in prison serving a term on 62 counts of fraud.

The whole Jeffco-declaring-bankruptcy thing isn't new ... It's been on the table for years now. In fact, I had just assumed they had already filed the second largest bankruptcy in U.S. history just a couple of years ago ... These people had independent finance companies come in to fund the building of a brand new sewer system after the county had been cited by the EPA because the old one was screwing up the Cahaba River. The whole thing went bust because when it came time to pay their dues, the commission couldn't do it.

Forgive me if I happen to believe that the crooks in this case aren't on Wall Street, but right here in Jefferson County.

Most people don't understand how the banks lead people to not pay their bills but there is a lot more to all of this I guess. I disagree with the poster who suggests that everyone get involved in some sort of cyber-attack.

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