Banksters Took Down Jefferson County, Alabama

Yesterday – Jefferson County, Alabama filed bankruptcy – and became the latest victim of the high crimes on Wall Street. The decision made by Jefferson county to file bankruptcy represents the largest-ever municipal bankruptcy in American history. In a twisted scheme of corruption and financial manipulation – mega banks JP Morgan Chase and Goldman Sachs allegedly paid off elected officials to invest in junk bonds to help finance a new sewer system.

But when the junk investments went bust – so too did Jefferson County – running out of money. Meanwhile – the mega banks were unscathed – making enormous profits off of fees. From ripping off customers with fine print and overdraft charges – to swindling an entire county – it’s all in a day’s work for the banksters on Wall Street.

That’s why all need to get out there and OCCUPY SOMETHING!


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DRichards 12 years 32 weeks ago

November 11th is Veteran's Day

Does our military protect the freedoms of our citizens , or does the military protect the interest of the corporations?

Your Thoughts?

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Palindromedary 12 years 32 weeks ago

Maybe we need to Occupy the internet. That's what Anonymous does..except they use special techniques to do things like DDoS attacks using zombie computers. But if enough people clog up the internet web sites of targeted corporations, banks, etc with normal surfing they could "take down" web sites. And there would be nothing illegal about it..just normal people doing normal surfing. Of course it would take a lot of participation, without the tools that Anonymous, eg, would use.

Some people take all their junk mail and, instead of just throwing it away, send it back, using the pre-paid stamps, without accepting their "offers" to make it cost these pests time and money. Of course, if you reply to these offers on the internet, just to turn them down, it lets the originator of the spam know that you received their spam and that you really exist. They then send you even more and sell your email address to others as "having replied". I don't know, maybe that is the same with snail mail as well. But at least snail mail isn't as automated and it would cost the originators money just to open your letters and discover there is no money to be made in it.

Our local post office sometimes delivers mail to the wrong houses...I get neighbors mail...and I am sure they get mine. If they steam open your mail and see your bank account number and account balances and other sensitive information this could be very dangerous. Information is power and if they have private information like this, they have some amount of power over you.

Sometimes I have even gotten mail meant for someone clear across town. And I'm sure that others have gotten mine...and that is the really scarey thing because we are always getting very sensitive information in the mail...statements from the banks..even if we don't bank there we get offers, etc, and we get these blank checks from credit cards..that we never use...nor would we ever use. And banking on-line, or having an on-line connection to credit cards, is not safe has been proven so many times. The banks try to cover it up...and don't want you to know about all of the on-line bank account heists that go on all the time. Big money gets sucked out of people's bank account through electronic transfers. And the courts have sided with the banks...not holding them culpable for restitution to the depositors. They blame the depositor. They try to say that depositors are reckless with their account numbers and passwords when in fact they are just banking on-line and hackers are using man-in-the-middle and other hacking methods to steal your account number and passwords. The fact that a number of certificate of authority (CA) providers have been hacked and compromised proves that even the encryption security can be breached. Once they get the CAs, or in other cases, your cookies*..your baked. The DigiNotar CAs were breached a couple of months ago and this destroyed DigiNotar's credibility and they are now out of business. But others have been breached....

And this...just a few minutes ago....
"As two more certificate authorities report breaches in their networks, the Electronic Frontier Foundation found that there were more CAs that appear to have been compromised.

Two more certificate authorities have recently uncovered breaches in their networks and suspended issuing new digital certificates, prompting new concerns about trusting the CA system and the danger of relying on a system riddled with so many problems."

*Once your identity is established using the normal "secure" procedures using CAs and encryption, special "sessions cookies" are used to identify you in further session transactions..for the duration of that period of time you are transacting with your bank (or any other "secure server" you connect with). Check out Firesheep. . A Firefox extension that demonstrates HTTP session hijacking attacks. Once your sessions cookies is known by a hacker he can use that to do a man in the middle attack. You would be connected with your bank, but through the attacker's node. He would see everything you do on-line when connected to your bank.

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Palindromedary 12 years 32 weeks ago

11:11:11 on 11/11/11

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DRichards 12 years 32 weeks ago

Jobless and Clueless: America's Delusional Democracy
By Joel S. HirschhornURL of this article: Research, November 6, 2011

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Sacramento Dave 12 years 32 weeks ago

Everyone seems to be ignoring that what is happening to the economies of Italy, Greece, Ireland, Spain, Iceland, was brought on by the large investment Casino Houses of Wall Street selling their phony "securities" with phony AAA credit ratings to naive foreign governments, selling them as safe ways to invest their countries bonds and economic futures. The guys on Wall Street are are master gamblers who not only hold all the cards, they can read the deck and know when to change the bets before their clients have a clue as to what's happening. They are nothing but criminals whose purpose is to rob as many governments of their sovereign wealth so that they can hold all the chips as well. When the time comes to cash in their chips, every country's economy will suffer. So lets go ahead and let them have our Social Security and our Medicare. But even better, let's extridite the wall street corporate directors to countries that would love to question them. What's good enough for Jullian Assange is good enough for .............

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arky12 12 years 32 weeks ago

Hopefully this link will get to the story today from Bloomberg about Bank Of America's dumping derivitaves into the FDIC, which the Fed approved of. If the link doesn't work try googling Bloomberg eyes Bank of America's derivitives move on Columbia Journalism Review page. Glad I'm getting my money out.

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arky12 12 years 32 weeks ago

OK, checked above link and it does work. A caller into Thom's show today mentioned it and Thom didn;t know about it. Thom, you said you read messages on this page so hopefully you will get this and pass it along to your viewers and listeners.

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cygnus1 12 years 32 weeks ago

Palindromedary, Thom and Louise, thank you for these valuable packages of information. Palindromedary, I will again copy and paste what you have had to say concerning the banking system and hackers etc. Many peoples do not know this. - Cygnus1

Sacramento Dave, a comment well put, though I wonder about this statement? "So lets go ahead and let them have our Social Security and our Medicare." I suppose you meant this:

So let the 1% have our Social Security and Medicare because we will come into a better order of events which will gain us back more than we have lost or will lose, and they, the 1% will go directly into concentration camps to be dealt with later through the implimentation of Universal Law and Principle. - Cygnus1

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dowdotica 12 years 32 weeks ago

i remember watching a special on this about a year or so ago...sad, sad, sad. and no one will go to jail for it!

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jstrahan 12 years 32 weeks ago

I have seen none of the facts Thom has laid out in the news discussing the bankruptcy filing by Jefferson County. Why is that?

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George Reiter 12 years 32 weeks ago

We in Michigan have another same boat situation, fueled by Wall Street. Michigan already has a regressive tax system, which our Gov. Rick Snyder’s proposal will only make worse. Currently, someone in the poorest 20 percent of Michigan taxpayers pays a tax rate of 8.9 percent, while someone in the richest one percent pays 5.3 percent.

In addition to trying to make an unfair tax system even more problematic for Michigan’s low-income residents, Snyder has also asked that the state be given the power to dismiss local government and appoint emergency town managers who could break contracts and strip powers from elected officials.

Our City of Taylor Michigan just closed 2 of the 3 Fire Department buildings due to budget restraints. Our Governor Rick Snyder gave $1.7 billion dollar tax breaks to the Multi-National Corporations and cut revenue sharing to the cities of Michigan.

When will we call out the Republicans and let it be known for what they are doing?

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Sushi 12 years 32 weeks ago

I like your ideas to Occupy the Internet. It appears that the only power We the Little People still have is our numbers. We have been stripped of almost everything else.

As to your hacking commentary, I always wondered about banking by phone now that Bush's Big Brother Homeland Security is able to tap phones, when we call our banks to transfer funds, couldn't damage be done by having the phone number, account number, bank balance and PIN number? I am not sure what anyone could do other than drain my savings into my checking, but there always seems to be a way to rip people off when the corporates hold all the cards.

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Sushi 12 years 32 weeks ago

Call "budget restraints" what they are: TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH. Budgets weren't "restrained" before the tax cuts now were they?

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Palindromedary 12 years 32 weeks ago

Cynus: Wall Street's Wars
Fallujah Veteran: 'I Served The 1%'
Thoughts on the role of veterans in the Occupy movement
By Ross Caputi

Well even if you don't bank by phone or the internet...all someone has to do is get your account number and routing number which are both on the checks and they can use them to do an electronic transfer on your account.

I found this out when someone stole letters out of an outside Post Office box including several bills I had paid by check. I felt very bothered that the box was pretty full and after I put the mail in realized that it was pretty full and that it would be easy for someone to reach in...if they had small arms and grab some letters. It wouldn't be too hard for people to use a stick or wire or a flexible grabber to steal mail out of these boxes anyway. I only mail inside at the post office now!

When I was notified, by my credit card company, that they did not receive the check, I also found out that the other bills I paid that day was not received either and were overdue. I went to the bank and did a stop payment on those checks...and got new account numbers.

Then, later, I got a bank statement that had a couple of electronic transfers out of my account by some strange sounding "businesses?". Luckily, they were small amounts..couple of hundred dollars. I went back to the bank and had them do an investigation on this...and after a couple of months I was notified that those amounts were put back into my account. The bank would not say anything more, even after I asked them about it.

I said that it didn't seem to me that this was very secure when an electronic transfer could occur without me doing the transfer. The bank manager said well all they have to do is get your bank account number and routing number and it is very easily done. Since those two numbers are on the bottom of the checks if anyone gets hold of your check then they could do an electronic transfer. And the odd thing about it is that they didn't even need a password to do the transfer.

And even still, nearly a year since the first problems, I had a notification by my credit card company that they did not receive payment even though I mailed it a couple of weeks before due date and mailed it inside our local post office. I don't know if it was my credit card company trying to milk me for late charges as I always pay my bills in total and well before due date, or if it was the local post office who failed to send my letter. (I no longer mail through the local post office...I go to a more major branch now.)

I tell you...we keep out money in the banks to keep it safe and so no one can rob us...but it looks like they can do it anyway...and you won't even know least until you get your statement..unless you go to your ATM and check it that way...which would be one plus for the idea of on-line banking because you can check anytime you want and really watch your money. But on-line banking is dangerous because it is not secure.

When you use on-line banking, you are using the internet...and when you connect to your do not have a solid, continuous "connection" except by something called a session cookie. The communications is encrypted, which is good, except it depends upon something called certificates of authority (CA) and, if the CAs were not compromised, then a useful encryption can be established. And your computer, talking to your bank's computer, and vice versa, does so in momentary bursts of are not actually "connected" except through the fact that the encryption allows both you and the bank to understand one another every time a burst of data is transmitted. If a hacker obtains your encrypted session cookie they can fool your bank into thinking they are communicating with you and then the hacker can make you think you are communicating directly with your bank. But the hacker is watching everything.

Another possibility exists, in fact, very likely...that the on-line user's computer has had a trojan keystroke logger installed that used root-kit technology to hide from any virus checker and the hacker can glean your passwords, and such, from when you type it it on your keyboard. This bypasses the security of encryption because it is external to the user/bank server communications.

And I would not think that phone banking is very secure either.

The safest way is to just go in to the bank...inside the bank...because you can easily get robbed at an ATM and if you're not careful to cover your PIN number when you key it in...and don't let anyone see what is on the screen. Some banks display your account balance right up on the screen for anyone standing next to you to see.

And check to see if there is anything hokey about the ATM keypad and the slot where you stick your card...because criminals have temporarily installed devices to read your card and detect the pin as you type it in. Any keypad overlays are a dead give away...or any unusual looking card slot bezel could read your card.

I always look for anything odd at the ATM before I use it and also keep very aware at who is around me...or who might be monitoring the ATM use from a a car or van...anyone watching with a telescope or binoculars....but of course that is being a little paranoid but I'd rather be paranoid than sorry I was careless and find someone wiped me out.

One thing about some bank ATMs is that it is very easy to forget you left your card in the ATM. Some other banks prevent this by not giving you your money until you remove your card. If you get your money, and your card is still in the ATM, you can easily walk away with your money and forget your card. Very easy to do. Isn't that right...Bank of America? ...not that I bank at B or A ...but I've heard stories....and know people who have had these problems.

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Alan Lunn 12 years 31 weeks ago

Now that a few banksters in 20 banks worldwide have driven global financials to the brink, the jubilee will either be enforced or happen naturally. Bankruptcy, debt-restructuring, and anti-monopoly populism become the only way out. Obama must become a Teddy Roosevelt in his lame-duck term. The right-wing will preach austerity which is always the road to ruin (imagining a one-party system totally sold out to the corporate regime). The other option is inflation to the moon which only robs the middle class even more.

The banksters need to face an aggressive public and a determined progressive presence in a Wall Street Washington under usurpation and usury. Next year will be the year that OWS blossoms into a global revolution of historic proportions. Sorry, tea party -- nice try.

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cygnus1 12 years 31 weeks ago

Thanks Palindromedary. I forgot about this "paper" and have not seen it for years. I now post what you have posted earier along with a little more. On one of my posts there is an = sign before my name. That was supposed to be a dash. It was not representing anything. - Cygnus1

"Wall Street's Wars
Fallujah Veteran: 'I Served The 1%'

Thoughts on the role of veterans in the Occupy movement

By Ross Caputi

November 08, 2011 "Information Clearing House" - I did not serve my country in Iraq; I served the 1%. It was on their behalf that I helped lay siege to Fallujah, helped kill thousands of civilians, helped displace hundreds of thousands of innocent people, and helped destroy an entire city. My "service" served Exxon-Mobil, Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, and other multinational corporations in Iraq.

My family in Massachusetts is not safer because of my service, and Iraqis are not freer. I helped oppress Iraqis in a manner far more brutal than what has been experienced by the Occupy movement at the hands of the New York and Oakland police departments.

I was an occupier and am now an #occupier. I once served the 1%, but now try to serve the 99%. That is why I must speak up when I see the Occupy movement being led astray by the same nationalism and “Ameri-centrism,” the same thoughtless praises for U.S. troops and veterans, and the same hypocrisy that led us into the so-called “War On Terror” and the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Many of us have joined the Occupy movement, because we identify as members of the 99%, but the media only began to highlight our participation after Cpl. Scott Olsen was shot in the head by the Oakland police with a projectile on Oct. 25. Olsen was immediately rushed to the emergency room, and his name soon became a rallying cry. A nationwide call was put out for vigils in solidarity with Olsen.

Going to war is not "serving our country"

The Occupy movement was quick to highlight Olsen's "service" and his two deployments to Iraq. The New York Times noted that "his injury—and the oddity of a Marine who faced enemy fire only to be attacked at home—has prompted an outpouring of sympathy, as well as calls for solidarity."

Although Olsen appears to oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—he is a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War and Veterans For Peace,—the Occupy movement's response to his attack has revealed ambivalence on these issues.

The Occupy movement has glossed over the irony that Olsen was put in the hospital by some of the same tactics that his Marine Corps has used against Iraqis. It has not drawn a connection between what happened to Olsen and what happened to Iraqis who peacefully protested against the U.S. occupation of their country—like in Fallujah on April 28, 2003, when the U.S. fired into a crowd of protesters and killed 13 civilians. Countless other identical incidents have taken place, even today as Iraqis also protest unemployment, corruption and lack of services.

When the Occupy movement mentions Olsen's "service" without clarifying who he served, they hide the lies of the 1% and ignore the more than 1 million dead Iraqis, the millions of refugees and orphans, and the dramatic rise in cancers and birth defects in Iraq." end of quote.

Many U.S. soldiers are also faced with birth defects of their children and it is also for this reason that many soldiers are never sent home for the public of these United States of America to witness the aftereffects. The Peoples of these United States of America must never forget what the 1% has made their sons and daughters, and other Military family members, participate in, for it takes a strong man or woman to stand AGAINST such wicked orders, be locked up and put on Military trial and demeaned in front of all of the United States (but that does not really work any longer to that extent). What one does to others is certainment to come back to them UNLESS they do a 180 degree turn as a nation. Then reparations may be made to an extent.

The horror which has been done to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine (white phosphorus there as well) by the west and their support of Israel and its claims, and wars against the innocent, is not just something which can be swept under the rug.

Submitted by Dan

"Long, long download direct to my computer was pictures of men, women, and children burned alive by white phosphorous and do not get me started on the horrible radiation poisoning of men, women, children, and babys.." end quote.

When these, the Peoples of these United States of America begin to realize the extent of that which their soldiers have been made to do (unfortunately I have read dialogues from pilots who have dropped bombs and enjoyed it, one was a British female soldier trained in the U.S.) then the Peoples of these United States will realize they MUST GET THEIR SOLDIERS OUT OF OTHER NATIONS "BEFORE" the 1% PUT THEM INTO THE NEXT WAR, FOR THE COUNTRIES AND PEOPLES THEY DESTROY ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE BEING DESTROYED, AS APPROXIMATELY 18 VETERANS PER DAY COMMIT SUCICIDE when returning home to these United States of America. These war veterans cannot relate to many around them for they "are changed men and women" as an Iraqi veteran told the public over RT, last night.

Generally, the Peoples of these United States of America have in the past been very indifferent to the atrocities committed by their own Military forces in other lands. The general public now in these United States of America "must all" become "sympathic" to the victims that their own Military created in other countries, for those in other countries ARE PEOPLE AND NOT THINGS, OR LIFELESS OBJECTS! THEN WE, TOGETHER, WILL BUILD PARADISE ON THE SOIL OF THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! - Cygnus1

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Palindromedary 12 years 31 weeks ago

Well done..and well said, Cygnus1! If only more young men and women really knew what they were getting into when joining the military. They get weaned on violent video games, violent movies and TV. This is done partly because there is lots of money to be made...because the marketers know that it is easy to lure the "lizard" brain into the excitement of violence...and if no one really gets physically hurt then it just continually triggers the "pleasure centers" of the brain when no other consequences of their actions need to be considered.

When men and women go to war..or even if kids battle it out in gangs...they get that same adrenalin rush...which is quite addictive....but the after affects..unless one is sociopathic...can be quite a depression inducing mechanism.

The military turns the young people into sociopathic killers...temporarily anyway...but I'm sure once changed...many people continue in that mentality for the rest of their lives. Many people regress into a depression so great, when they realize what they have done, that they will commit suicide. I know the VA is really concerned about that and they really try to make sure you are not prone to suicide.

A lot of solidiers hide, mentally, under various escape mechanisms, like believing that they were "defending their country" and "they were fighting for Jesus, or a whole host of other non-sequiturs and inanities, so they don't fall victim to the depression that will lead them to suicide.

One might laugh at the idea that our soldiers are "fighting for Jesus" but in fact that is actually being drilled into the heads of many of our soldiers. It has been uncovered that there are military sponsored programs that do just that in order to manipulate them to suppress any thoughts of guilt when killing people.

And what is quite ironic is that if there was a real Jesus, he may very well have been a Sicarii, an assassin, or "terrorist" that sneaked up behind Roman soldiers in crowded market places and stabbed them in the back...then disappeared into the crowds. It was the Romans who made Jesus into a peace-loving guru of brotherly love...and to give unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar...and don't rebel against your masters. Very Devious, those Romans!

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cygnus1 12 years 31 weeks ago

Palindromedary, I remember in southern Iraq, (I do not remember the name of the place but I sure do remember the event), an Iraqi man was suffering from lack of water. Water was scarce. An American soldier was standing right there in front of a Priest or Minister of the Cloth, because he could not deal with what he had done to his Iraqi brothers. The Iraqi man begged the Priest (or Minister) for water, but the Priest (or Minister) took the little bit of water which was left and poured it over the American soldier to "absolve him of his sins, including cold blooded murder of his Iraqi brothers and sisters" and the Iraqi man died from thurst right where he stood several hours later.

The Peoples of these United States who have never been to war have absolutely no idea what their soldiers belonging to the 1% are doing to other human beings!!

However, if the Peoples of these United States wish to rebuild Paradise for themselves then we will help them, for it will be the same the world over, but if the Peoples of these United States still want their banks in operation, and want their Congresses and Senators and Presidents, instead, to make up the overall picture of their lives, then we will leave them to their own fancies and folly. Some People, Palindromedary, just never do learn. They shout for leniency on their University and College tuitions without realizing that by doing away with the present day system, all education could be theirs without cost. We are not sure these, the Peoples of these United States of America, are ready for Paradise just quite yet. - Cygnus1

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Palindromedary 12 years 31 weeks ago

Cygnus1: That was quite a story about the Priest using that last little bit of water (which could have saved the Iraqi, perhaps) to use in a stupid ritual that really means nothing at all.

I think many people are finally waking up to the ridiculousness, and hypocrisy of many of the religious institutions....the contrived hoops they get you to jump trained seals. And these military "chaplains" often wearing more than one hat (or should we call them faux halos) while wearing horns and a tail under their uniforms are certainly no angels. They are very likely psychopaths themselves. Many of the Nazis thought they were doing righteous things too...and also had the blessings of many religious institutions.

Of course, religion will do that to you. There are exceptions, of course, and every religious person believes themselves to be exempt. When one connects killing people with religion then psychopathy rules supreme. And that is just what our military is doing...making religious psychopathic murderers who belong in an insane asylum along with all the other reality challenged nut jobs. It is only the ones who come to understand and realize how they have been used and manipulated to do such maniacal things to other human beings that are on the road to recovery....or suicide.

The military is only "embarrassed" by the numbers of suicides of our soldiers, both in the Middle East, and at home when they return. When you go to go to kill people...even innocent people like civilians, women, and children. More young people need to think about this before they get themselves bamboozled into the military. They should also very seriously consider how terrible it would be to be maimed for life...lose a limb or two or be horribly disfigured. They should ask themselves in all it really worth it? If you see a like hell...away from that sucker!!! They prey on our kids in shopping malls...the perverts!!!

If the military was used solely for actually protecting the US against attack (and I'm not talking about some stupid idea of "protecting our interests" because we need what others have...or we want to control who else might get hold of it)....then it would be honorable to be in the military. But it is not honorable because the politicians and generals who are largely controlled by the dictates of the wealthy corporations that make lots of money on war are not honorable. Most of the soldiers are nothing but dupes that got sucked into a life of criminal duplicity. The Godfathers that run the show fully expect you to murder people for profit and power. And our sons and daughters should not risk their lives, nor strain their mental health, nor maim them for life for damn corporations and politicians who believe their greed is in the national interest.

If we were rebelling and lopping off more heads (figuratively speaking that is) of these greedy bastards at home we wouldn't be having so many problems getting along with the rest of the world. The French set a great example and it left a deep impression for hundreds of much so that...until recently...the French politicians were afraid to tick off the people and were more amenable to social programs keeping the banksters in check. Any hint of a massive demonstration by the people would send shivers up the spines of the ruling elite. We desperately need this here in the US. And it looks like it is beginning to happen. And it looks like these arrogant bastards are starting to sweat a little.

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cygnus1 12 years 31 weeks ago

Palindromedary, you have put it so very well! We are relieved to hear that the Peoples of these United States of America are beginning to make the elite sweat. But these 1% and their worker eyes "must" be arrested and placed far away from the Peoples so they can do no more damage nor interfere with what needs to be done. They will be brought, as we have said before, before a Council which will then look at their deeds according to Univeral Principle and Law.

We are not advocating that the Peoples of these United States of America initially stop using their money system entirely UNTIL the full transition is made into the setting up of the PARADISICAL system.

But what we are saying is this: that the Peoples of these United States of America demand "quantatative easing" for the purpose of eliminating all National and State debt, and making available suffient funds (quantative easing) for the purpose of repairing all of the United States of America's infrastructure including providing Universal health care and education, free of charge to the Peoples of these United States of America.




Education is a RIGHT and should never be held up as BLACKMAIL!

Why are the Peoples of these United States of America asking the foreign based government sitting in the White House, for bread crumbs when they could have the whole loaf?!

Quantative easing for the repair of the nation's infrastructure will serve in creating jobs. The spinoff will then benefit all of the Peoples of these United States because such measures will increase the money supply for the benefit of the entire Nation.

This, INSTEAD of that plan which President Obama insists that even the poorest of working Americans must pay in "health care" costs, called of course, Obamacare. This, INSTEAD of any other plan your Presidents, Congress or Senators will come up with for the detriment of the people!

Anything less than the Universal system of Paradise for the Peoples of this World will not result in true freedom for the peoples of this earth. So, if the Peoples of these United States want a second rate system then carry on the way you have been going under the banking system working for the 1% and under their wicked thumb. It is, of course, up to the each and every one of you. Think on this because you, the Peoples of these United States of America, will not get to yourselves a second chance. - Cygnus!

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victorcg 12 years 31 weeks ago

It looks as if there might be a strong posibility that occupy oakland will be raided buy oakland police tonight keep us in your prayers tonight

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Palindromedary 12 years 31 weeks ago

Right on! Cignus1! Very good points.

Victorcg: Well, I don't pray but I sure wish you lots of good will and thanks for being in the vanguard, or the front line, of our struggle against the 1%. And bollox and pox on the Oakland Police if they try to disrupt you.

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cygnus1 12 years 31 weeks ago

Thank you Palindromedary.

Victorcg, the Oakland Occupiers should be loudly heard calling on their 'own' Military to come to stand infront of them, shielding the Protesters from the brutality of the police force. There will be Military among the Occupation of Oakland, so call upon them, in unison, loudly. They are there to serve the Peoples of these United States of America, and to Protect the Nation against tyranny and thuggery no matter where it is found. - Cygnus1

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cygnus1 12 years 31 weeks ago

Peoples of these United States of America, Israel is trying desperately to make people FORGET that they are controlling the government who sits in the White House. You, THE PEOPLE, are so very close to losing your Freedom of Speech as did your neighbour to the north of these United States of America. There, in Canada, it is illegal to critize Israel or to even quote a Congressperson or Senator from these United States of America, if those politicians are affiliated with Israel and are verbalizing Israel's philosophy with regard to Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians, or even that of other cultures. The offending citizens can be put into prison for a maximum of a two year sentence. This may seem incrediable to the majority of you, our brothers and sisters, but your necks are next on Israel's chopping block.

It is only when an individual or a group cannot defend itself in a peaceful, intellectual, and intelligent manner, that such persons or groups resort to this sort of violence and cauterization of the rights of another.

It is always wise to keep abreast of what Israel's policies are doing to governments and Peoples world round, for what Israel's policies dish out to them, will surely be on Israeli's next agenda to be dished out to you, here in these United States of America.



"The bill appears to be a transparent attempt to criminalize solidarity with Palestinians and opposition to US policy supporting Israel’s siege of Gaza. It would effectively further erode First Amendment rights in order to intimidate and suppress criticism of Israel."

This lack of free speech begins with one issue and quickly mushrooms into a full-fledged atomic bomb-like scenario on every aspect of freedom of speech, whereby to even criticize the Israeli foreign-based government, sitting up there in the White House, will be "illegal." So We the People have to ourselves one last choice and that is to free ourselves from Israel's tallons and put the Eagle back in place.

The 1% cannot shut down every internet in the world without reprecussions, so the more peoples occupy the internet the more difficult it will be for the 1% and their worker eyes to curb freedom of speech. How hypocritical the foreign based government in Washington, D.C. is in telling the world they fight in other lands for Liberty and FreeSpeech for the Peoples of the Nations, when they, themselves, are trying to curb free speech in the country in which they sit, which is these United States of America.

SO, PEOPLES OF THE WORLD, OCCUPY THE INTERNET TOO! as Palindromedary has wisely suggested. And we are PROUD of all the BRAVE MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN WHO ARE THE OCCUPING FORCE FACING THE ELEMENTS IN THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND AROUND THE WORLD! What you fight for in Protests will surely come to you, if not in this life then in the next. BUT BUILDING PARADISE MEANS FIRSTLY CLEARING THE LAND OF ALL THE DEBRIS and this you are beginning to do for yourselves. - Cygnus1

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Palindromedary 12 years 31 weeks ago

I listened to a very interesting podcast at blackopradio interviewing Kurt Haskell who witnessed some events at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport while waiting in line for tickets. He saw a couple of men in line ahead of him. One was a very well dressed (obviously well to do) older man and a younger man (of about 22 years old) who wore only a T-shirt..which was odd because of the cold temperature...being in December. What was really unusual was the conversation that Kurt had overheard with the ticket lady. The older, better dressed man, said that the younger man didn't have a passport but had to get on the flight to the US. She refused and the older man argued with her. She finally said that they would have to talk to her manager in the office down the hall. Kurt watched the two men walk down to the office and entered the office. He didn't see them again until on the plane and in flight where smoke, then flames arose from the seats and was climbing the walls of the plane. The stewardesses put the fire out with fire extinguishers making a big mess of white powder all over the place. The pilot did an emergency landing and then they made the passengers sit for 20-30 minutes after the plane taxied to the terminal. Kurt said that all the passengers were finally taken off the plane and herded into a room (for their safety..yeah, right!) and then Kurt saw the two men he had seen at Schiphol handcuffed and led away. The news reports of what the officials said kept changing and always different than what he had witnessed. He spent a lot of time going to all the hearings and saw the cover up and lies that were being told by officials. This podcast also talked about some of the anomalies of that case. See the Anomalies...some of which are listed below...which comes from Kurt's web site.

Statements from the podcast:

"I've witnessed that an ordinary person who sees something important can be silenced despite his efforts to spread the truth. Such is the Underwear Bomber case. I can do nothing but laugh at the TSA's new policy of "If you see something say something." That is exactly what I did, and not only did the U.S. Government not want to hear what I had to say, but it actively lied about it, attempted to get me to change my story, and hid, by withholding (secret government) evidence or putting a protective order on the evidence and nearly everything that would support my eyewitness account."

"My firm belief is that Umar (the 'underwear bomber') was escorted around security and given an intentionally defective bomb by a U.S. intelligence agent. The bomb was never intended to detonate, but merely intended to create a "simulated terrorist attack" or a "false flag attack" if you will. In December of 2009, the U.S. Government hadn't seen a terrorist attack in 8 years, It was getting more and more difficult to spend hundreds of billions a year on terrorism and to continue to fight two fraudulent wars based on terrorism. Those making their livings off of the war on terror didn't want to lose their cash cow. Enter Umar the Underwear Bomber. A second benefit of a failed bomb being found in Umar's underwear, was to enable body scanning machines to be placed in every airport. How convenient for Michael Chertoff , a former head of the DHS, to have ties to the body scanning companies. I doubt that this was any coincidence. Once again, billions of dollars would flow from the U.S. Government for body scanning machines that were needed to protect us."

Anomalies from Kurt's website:
Anomalies of the 'underwear bomber' case: (there are 33 listed at Kurts website):

"2. The FBI has admitted to supplying the Portland Christmas Tree Bomber and the Wrigley Field Bomber with intentionally defective bombs shortly after the underwear bomber event."

"4. The plane taxied to the gate. The passengers were not allowed off of the plane for 20-30 minutes (Was the bomb still on the plane?). There was bomb material that was supposedly explosive all over the cabin of the plane. Nobody took any action to make sure the passengers were safe or that the "explosives" were of no danger to the passengers. This is evidence of foreknowledge that there was no danger to the passengers."

"11. Customs spokeperson Ron Smith changed the official story about the 2nd man taken into custody in Detroit 5 times. Then he sent a half hearted apologetic email to the media. My story as to this man has never changed. Ron Smith eventually gave up lying and quit talking about this man who was witnessed by nearly all of the passengers."

"13. The prosecution has continued to block evidence from Umar's standby attorney and in some cases, has provided it late. Why? If Umar was a terrorist nut, what is it that the government does not want the defense to see? It seems to me that if the official story is true, then this is an open and shut case. It appears that the government feels a need to insulate itself from civil cases filed by the passengers."

"15. Portions of the Patriot Act were set to expire just before Christmas Day 2009. The Congressional vote to extend them was delayed until February. Body scanning machines were already built and sitting in warehouses. Michael Chertoff, the former head of the Department of Homeland Security has ties to the body scanning manufacturers. The U.S. had no terrorist attacks from 2001 until Christmas Day 2009. A new terrorist at
tack was needed to get the body scanning machines in the airports."

"22. Obama's "failed to connect the dots speech" is discredited by the Congressional testimony of Patrick Kennedy of the State Department. Kennedy indicated that, in so many words, that the government was tracking Umar and did not revoke his visa in order to track him into the U.S. This is almost, but not quite an admission that he was let into the U.S. on purpose."

"23. The Congressional testimony of Michael Leiter indicated that the U.S. Government frequently lets terrorists into the U.S."

Many more anomalies here:

I had also read, previously, that the underwear bomber came from a fairly well to do family and the father was a banker. The father actually warned authorities of what his son was likely to do. I had also read that the US knew of this guy and assisted in getting him on the plane.

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cygnus1 12 years 31 weeks ago

Palindromedary, absolutely correct.I do not think the intelligent bought that Unibomber story either. The only thing the People need to be concerned about in relation to "terrorists" are their own foreign backed government and its Pentagon and where they will strike next. People in other nations are just too busy trying to survive after brutal U.S. foreign based attacks on their nations, as led and calculated by the 1%. - Cygnus1

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cygnus1 12 years 31 weeks ago

In reference now to the topic at hand on Jefferson County and its bankruptcy, we must understand what really happens when counties, states, and even nations, go for bankruptcy. To believe it is a disaster for the people affected is not even so. When the county or state coffers are relieved from debt obligations to the bank, they can in turn lower the tax load on the people. It is to the counties, states, and peoples, a blessing in disguise as it gives the authorities a new financial start. The higher the debt loads which are being bankrupted upon, the greater is the relief as a consequence for going bankrupt in the first place.

The bankers do not, however, like this approach, for counties, states or nations to go bankrupt because it will set then, a precedence for others to do likewise, and therein encourage the floodgates to become opened for all to benefit from this procedure. - Cygnus1

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Jason37 12 years 31 weeks ago

I wanted to reply to Hartmann's blog about Jefferson County but the silly page doesn't give me that option ...

I don't know what Wall Street has to do with this ... The Jefferson County Commission itself has been at the hub of blatant fraud and mishandling of public money since long before Bush Jr. ever took office. Since 2003, we've had at least six separate commissioners convicted of fraud chargers, and our last mayor -- Larry Langford, a former commissioner himself -- is now in prison serving a term on 62 counts of fraud.

The whole Jeffco-declaring-bankruptcy thing isn't new ... It's been on the table for years now. In fact, I had just assumed they had already filed the second largest bankruptcy in U.S. history just a couple of years ago ... These people had independent finance companies come in to fund the building of a brand new sewer system after the county had been cited by the EPA because the old one was screwing up the Cahaba River. The whole thing went bust because when it came time to pay their dues, the commission couldn't do it.

Forgive me if I happen to believe that the crooks in this case aren't on Wall Street, but right here in Jefferson County.

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Palindromedary 12 years 31 weeks ago

I think the crooks are a combination of the two. Wall Street bribing of politicians then trying to say that it is just a corrupt government and that we need to concentrate on bad mouthing government only.

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Travis.T 12 years 31 weeks ago

Most people don't understand how the banks lead people to not pay their bills but there is a lot more to all of this I guess. I disagree with the poster who suggests that everyone get involved in some sort of cyber-attack.

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