Daily Topics - Wednesday November 16th, 2011

Hour One: "Brunch With Bernie" - Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) takes your calls

Hour Two: Self-described libertarian called into radio show... / Plus, Occupy the Banks - David Osborn, n17pdx

Hour Three: Vultures' Picnic: In Pursuit of Petroleum Pigs, Power Pirates, and High-Finance Carnivores - Greg Palast / Plus, Geeky Science Rocks - School rules for fish...and human drivers? / Plus, Geeky Science Rocks - school rules for fish and humans

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mathboy's picture
mathboy 14 years 20 weeks ago
#1

I can't believe how close to the median income I am. I gross $480/wk (the median works out to $507/wk, a difference of less than 6%), and I actually lost money in a couple months this year. I live a fairly Spartan life, alone in a 1-bedroom apartment. I don't have a DVR, an iPhone, or an HDTV. Almost every thing I own was a gift, and I rarely buy luxuries. But I may not be able to afford to replace my 18-year-old car when it finally dies.

I realized eventually that I lost money in one month because I gave to Democrats' campaigns, so I don't regret it. I'll donate more in January and July.

Brog's picture
Brog 14 years 20 weeks ago
#2

I am glad you brought up yesterday's caller. After he posed the question I thought I would not have a problem with another group or organization taking a public stand and camping out. I believe that the caller was intimating that the left would not be tolerant of a public display by persons whose politics are felt to be socially antithetical (right to life, gun advocates, hate groups). I think he projected his opinion that demonstrations should not be tolerated. I believe in free speech and would not want riot police to remove those gatherings pre-emptivly. Did this person forget that the "tea party" gatherings were left alone by the riot squads despite the presence of weapons in the crowd?

I have great concern that the OWS movement has attracted a violent fringe or has been infiltrated by individuals planted to discredit the movement. Individuals whose philosophy includes violence and/or property destruction gravitated toward activist movements since these groups take public stances and such people find no welcome in the formal political structure that they wish to dismantle. These issues bring to mind the events in San Francisco when ex-Supervisor Dan White's trial verdict for the murder of Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk. The gay community came out that evening to protest the tragic verdict. The newspapers the next day had a photo of the violence of the demonstration. The photo showed a male in a black leather jacket smashing a large glass door of a business alongside the path of the march. I soon learned that I knew the man in leather jacket who was captured in the photograph. In his stoical circle he proudly recounted his activities that night and who took credit for the destructive attack on property. In our community there was great comfort and openness with everyone's sexual identities/preferences or even confusion and he was not a gay man. He was a self professed radical anti-establishment activist that had an affinity to public demonstration. For this person the protest march was both an opportunity and the perfect cover to act out his violent political view. He was not a gay activist but a radical political opportunist that became the media face for the "violent discontent" of the gay community. The reporting medial promulgated the notion that this violent "poster child" was the face of discontent in the gay community and representative of the sentiments of the outraged community. This political opportunist played into the hands of those politicians and law enforcement officers who opposed the growing political power in the community and sought to discredit the gay community by showing proof that the community was comprised of social deviants,

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Rick in Canadia 14 years 20 weeks ago
#3

Our own Grover Norquist?

A modest proposal;
Trying to think of how to direct all this good Occupy.. energy in a productive / progressive direction;
What about a progressive Grover Norquist style campaign for both parties, to Get Big Money out of Government?
A pledge to never raise taxes is about as smart as a pledge to never turn left when driving. (Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts will ;-)

This on the other hand would be a valid philosophy and goal. It won't happen until a good majority of those in government go along with it and none will stand up alone. Maybe a pledge to go along whenever there is a critical mass would make it easier to stand up and be counted.
Then there would be a clear indicator for voters to look at. The tactic has been terribly effective for the Republican ideologues. Is there any reason the progressive movement shouldn't use that tactic for something that is more a moral question?

Yes, there would be pressure from current donors to not participate, but in the end all donors would be back on a level playing field..
I suppose to overturn Citizens United would take a constitutional amendment with all that entails. A pledge could actually have its effect if politicians could agree to turn down the money, though the super pacs would still exist.. One step at a time; let's see where each politician stands.
Rick in Canadia

mathboy's picture
mathboy 14 years 20 weeks ago
#4

In consequence of the Civil War, the Constitution was amended three times. I don't see why, now, we shouldn't have one for campaign finance regulation, one for corporate non-personhood, one to say money isn't speech, etc.

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