Occupy New York & Occupy DC Marching Together...
By louisehartmann
Occupy Wall Street and Occupy DC might soon be combing forces.
A group of patriots who’ve been camped out in Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park will depart the Big Apple today and begin the 240-mile march to the nation’s capital – hoping to arrive in Washington, DC by November 23rd – the deadline for the Gang of 12 Supercommittee.
Since Washington, DC and Wall Street have forged an unholy alliance – it only seems appropriate for Occupy DC and Occupy Wall Street to do the same.
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#2
Quote by JOHN N. DAUGHERTY JR.
"Thom,
I am still looking forward to someone in politics today or even a person with the wealth of Warren Buffet who can shock our nation out of its ambiviant behavior that describes our political environment. We all know the issues, global warming, sustainable energy vs. fossil fuels, corporate profits vs. society stakeholder ship, inequality of capital, debt and deficits, education and infrastructure spending. The malaize that the Reagan Revolution caused that halted the New Deal/Great Society Generation in it's tracks and polarized the two major political parties took 30 to 40 years to impregnate our culture. Special interest, unregulated political funding and the media hype of today turns our center off; only the core of each party seem engaged and they just say no to any compromises, speak blindly into the camera's of the status quo and continuously undermined their patriotic, social and political obligations to our countries future generations.
We need to awaken the center, we need to turn that ambiviant behavior not only into social action but we must set our agenda and goals to correct the course of meandering from our self greed and selfishness of these past four decades and direct it to how we can mobilize our new partners in the center to join us. The 99% set the alarm clock of action but with winter setting in we need to avoid the snooze button and create a functional action plan.
I would prefer to have use of the Democratic Party minus the Blue Democrats as a part of that caucus become that leadership but, we need Obama to think outside the box and actually create the coalition of 60+ Dems and 39- Rep in the Senate with 260+ D in the House to be able to work through the next 12-16 years to turn back towards prosperity as a nation and a people.
I was born in 1957, when I was a kid I did not understand the social issues of Civil Rights, Medicare and the functions needed to protect our country from our capitalist form of economy and the need for regulation. But now I see we need specifically directed regulation to protect banking from imploding, from the continuous use of fossil fuels with a energy tax to enable the next generation of solar, wind and thermal sustainable energy resources.
How do we bring the center to this awakening? How do we create an atmosphere of collaboration within our political system? I find it very ironic that we won the Cold War only to self destruct with self interest, greed, and anger turned inwards. Our attitudes towards immigration, hate towards our government and the paranoid small minority of 18th century socially handicapped when it comes to protecting a women’s right to choose, gay marriage and our new Jim Crow Laws to disenfranchise a faction of our citizens from being able to vote.
Who will become the Koch Brother's equivalent in power brokering a social and political ground game to save ourselves from self destruction? I'm looking, listening and ready to go to work.
JND"
JOHN N. DAUGHERTY JR.
Unity among the Peoples of these United States of America is showing itself in beginning to coordinate in effectiveness in joining One with the other - NY Occupiers and D.C. Occupiers with no boundaries to stop them. (Much like Doctors without borders), each layer working within the Oneness of Creation. Some will be out in the streets standing up for the Rights of the Constitution to get their bearings back, and yet another layer will be supplying the ones out in the street with heaters, blanets, food and clothing, and yet another layer supplying the much needed information and on it goes.
We, on this forum have covered rather extensively the answers to your questions over the last three months on these forums.
Money belonging to the weathy will not solve anyone's problem. A system without monetary wealth attributed to each and every individual will solve a large part of the problem. But there are many facets to a civilization besides the economic issue. Before we go directly into that new system, we will transition from the old into a middle system whereby quantitative easing will see the people through the transition period into the new. We have also covered this rather extensively, but there is much more to working this new system than even that.
You cannot collaborate with your present political foe because they work for the 1%. They are not interested in hearing what you have to say.
The 1% have the U.S. military in bondage to themselves. The People NEED their Military back and this is now in process with the Marines taking the lead in full organization.
The U.S. Miltary will then PROTECT THE PEOPLE from the 1%, leaving the 1% with no Military.
For as long as the money system is allowed to develop in a society, no amount of revolution or protests are going to change the climate of the nation or the economic climate of the world.
When the present system transitions into a temporary system utilizing quantitative easing for the people, then will come the new system which will take the use of all type of monetary creation out of circulation. Of this we will describe later in detail, once the People have made it to base one with the protection of the U.S. Military on their side. After all, all Miltary service men and women are family members of the Peoples of these United States of America, being of the 99%. In that sense the Military is merely coming to the rescue of their own kind and class.
The 1% cannot relate to you, the less fortunate, the poor, nor do the majority of the 1% care about you, they only care about what you can do for them. Cygnus1
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#4
It must have been a doozie!
#5
Quote by Palindromedary:
"I wonder if a bug can fathom the realities that we humans have come to know. And wouldn't humans be like bugs to these technologically advanced beings? If these aliens were so advanced...say thousands of years advanced technologically anyway...and that could just be because they have certain elements on their planet that has allowed them to do things that we cannot..or that they have just existed as a "civilization...whatever that means..." for millions of years longer than we have....or that they never developed imaginary stories like religious beliefs...a belief in an imaginary, all seeing, omnipresent, guilt creating God. We could have been a thousand years more advanced technologically if it weren't for the stupid religious oppression of the dark ages. Mankind let its superstition and ignorant bully boys in the pulpit...like Torquemada..the Popes...and the various cults that followed.... dictate what we should believe in...which was that the earth was only about 6000 years old and man was created by that wicked sociopathic, egomaniacal wizard in the sky. But that imaginary overseer was merely created in the minds of men to use as a control mechanism over others. And people were so stupid as to fall for it...over and over again.
There are many cults and sects with varying ideas that have broken away from the mainstream God cults...and they are really no better than the ancient ones because they are still feeding their imaginary bull to whomever will listen....whomever will fall for their gullible idiocy."
Palindromedary, you are so right about much of what holds man and womankind in the dark ages of yesterday as well as today. Your analogy is excellent. This is why it is so good to finally see the People uniting in a cause which is sensible. But do remember, many of those who have reincarnated upon other more enlightened worlds have at one time or another gone through the same stages of development (not bugs, nor apes) of intellect and societal structure, some utilizing their experiences with wisdom, others with folly unto themselves, as well as those whom they interact with.
Palindromedary, we love your logic and wholesome common sense and whit, and almost laughed our heads off at your words. We are indeed intellectual midgets compared to our brothers and sisters "in the skies" whom come to us from other planets at the peril of their own lives from threats by the 1% who hate the idea that these benefactors from other worlds should perhaps positively influence their "relatives" on earth by trying to teach them the common sense of collaborating with one another in a friendly atmosphere of love and good-will towards all people.
And after all is said and done, this in reality has become engrained in our own thinking as we look upon the many troubles people are creating among themselves. We speak therefore of oneness and unity, so we become more empowered to effect a change for the better upon this sorely stricken planet.
At one time humans on earth had all the technological knowledge neccessary for intergalactic space travel, and that was 1000's of years ago. Then religion came, usurping the consciences of people for mere control's sake, and that was the end of mankind's spirit for a full and complete intellectual expression. The money trick took them down even further.
With false religious concepts came wicked philosophies calling for the exploitation of the many for the benefit of the few, and I think in that manner, mankind, as we know it today, became lost in their own ignorance - not even knowing any more how to get out of it, nor what caused it.
By posting here we wish to assist the people in a comeback of their once held state of intelligence and knowledge, which of course includes the recreation of a world without money. It is only under those favourable social and economic conditions of complete liberty the mind of man and woman is able to evolve and become liberated sufficiently to rediscover the secrets of free-energy devices or the secrets of intergalactic travel.
But UNTIL the progress of humankind on this planet takes place in the higher moral, ethical, economic and societal structure, displayed one to the other in wisdom, fairness and justice, there can be no space travel even if the technological means is there.
Why is this? Simply because there are other worlds (not all, some even worse than here) which have cultivated themselves in a distinct appreciation of belonging to the Oneness of the whole of the creation within their particular galaxy and Universe, and these worlds will never be allowed to be invaded by the 1% of this particular planet earth. - Cygnus1
#6
Thom and Louise, we all know you did not mean "unholy alliance" in reference to the Occupiers of Wall Street and Washington, D.C., but I thought I should point out that the alliance between the Occupiers of both sectors work in the Oneness of Duty against the wickedness of the 1% and their worker eyes. - Cygnus1
|"Since Washington, DC and Wall Street have forged an unholy alliance – it only seems appropriate for Occupy DC and Occupy Wall Street to do the same." - end quote
#7
SYMBOLICALLY PERFECT: OCCUPY DC and OWS.. Big business using their money to make the American government their puppets has been the root of all our problems since reagan..
#8
I had initially planned to join in. As I understand it, however (at least, as clearly, repeatedly defined on MSNBC), this is a movement about "middle class workers," to the exclusion of the post-middle class, and all those who never had a chance. Today, we live in Reagan's New America; while hundreds of thousands of American jobs are exported out of the country, we shredded the social safety net, ending the entitlement to basic aid. I honestly can't wrap my mind around the idea of fighting to protect my paid vacation time while ignoring the hell of unrelieved poverty all around us.
#9
A perfect match, especially since many in the media are saying there is no discernible message. Wall Street Washington is the problem. They need to be separated so that Washington can protect the people from predatory capitalism and the push to privatize what should always be public.
If tea partiers mean what they say about "crony capitalism," they should be there, too. This should get them to thinking and blow the fog of Foxnosis off their brains. They believe that the cure for the unholy matrimony of business and state is to reduce the state. But that is exactly what the corporate regime wants is an impotent government.
In a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, the tea party captives are in love with their captors. Going back to Machiavelli, there can be no real populism in republicanism.
But I wonder if OWS should resist becoming astroturf for the Democratic Party. Yes, it's a nice fit; but it means they are no longer the 99%. To separate business and state and reconstruct a democracy it will take more than just the progressives.
The tea party is old white folks who were freaked out when the house of cards fell in 2008. OWS is the disenfranchised youth of the planet. It's their future that will come out of this, their hope, and their dream. But it has to become something new, something post-modern, and something that tears down the managed democracy system and replaces it with a realized democracy. We need an amendment to get money out of politics and then, when we the people have real representation, we can hash out the details together with a Congress owned by us.
"Come gather 'round people whereever you roam/ And admit that the waters around you have grown/ Accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone/ If your time fo you is worth savin'/ Then you better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone/ For the times they are a changin'." -- B.D.
#10
Well, we were all just about 200,000 miles from being annihilated yesterday by a big rock from space. Next time we may not be so lucky. And that big rock wouldn't have been picky about sparing those with all the money. That's one thing that is the great equalizer, isn't it, after all...death is the great equalizer. You can't take it with you...you can just leave it for some spoiled brats who can't wait till you die to inherit your money. And with that, they go on to do more damage to the world thinking they are so much better than all of the peons who deserve their fate. The "peons" did not inherit anything from their derelict parents or grandparents except maybe lots of love and togetherness. And even though they slave away trying to support their families...perhaps even toiling in the fields..with back braking labor...they don't deserve to exist because they did not inherit fortunes?
The willful brats of the wealthy ruling elite go to ivy league schools and get indoctrinated in the "we-are-better-than-anyone-else" mentality from birth. These are the real troublemakers that will plague the earth...the ones that manipulate us into wars and mass murder. So what is a Vietnamese, or Iraqi, or Afghani, or Pakistani, or Yemeni, or soon to be Iranian life to these highbrow stuff shirts? They are expendable in the struggle for ultimate control and exploitation of other people's natural resources. Other people are made to do without their lives so that Americans don't have to do without the latest faddish gadgets...or oil...or cheaper bananas.
General Smedley Butler knew it and spoke and wrote about it back when he was still alive. He said that he had spent his career, in the military, as a muscleman for racketeers, the corporations.
In his book he said: ""I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
And it hasn't stopped since then John Perkins has helped fill in the gaps:
"By participating in persuading third-world nations to borrow more money than they can repay, a process is engaged that leads to the use of debt to gain control of resources. -- According to Perkins, this is the ultimate mechanism whereby the U.S. has attained global hegemony. -- When the "economic hit men" fail, the "jackals" are the next line of defense (or offense): covert action by clandestine agencies, leading to a coup or an assassination. -- The use of the military, as in Iraq, is a last resort. "
http://www.ufppc.org/book-notes-mainmenu-36/1923-interview-john-perkins-...
#11
I've been asking my Republican friends and relatives if they remember playing Monopoly. I remind them that one guy ends up with all of the cash and property and the rest (the "99 percent" equivlent) end up broke. Then I remind them that the only thing that prevents that from happening in our economy are federal regulations and enforcement of those regulations. And since those regulations are being dismantled, that's why we are seeing it happen now.
Also, I get paid by the federal government. Once I'm paid, that money is now mine. I can spend it as I see fit. It no longer belongs to the tax-payer. I can spend it on union dues if I so choose. It's not the tax-payer's money - it's mine now.
#12
Thom:
I hope you read these comments. I was watching your show this evening as you were debating with two Republican youngsters regarding corporate personhood. One of the key points progressives seem to miss regarding this issue when they are engaging conservatives is that corporate personhood enjoys many privlidges that regular citizens don't get. For example, they aren't required to serve in the military, or to serve in a jury. They aren't required to go to jail when they commit crimes (for example when BP and Haliburton killed 11 men due to extreme malfeasance in the gulf oil spill as well as contractual violations (federal, state and personal), nor are they required to pay fines allocated by courts for crimes (the vast majority of fines levied against corporations for malfeasance are never paid or collected). I could go on and on. But above all is that the men and women who comprise the boards and stockholders of these institutions ARE ALREADY CITIZENS AND PERSONS OF THIS NATION. Why should they get "double personhood." Why should they get "double citizenship." Especially this special, protected, "above the law," I'm rich and powerful so the law doesn't apply to me" personhood.
This corporate personhood is just a way that the very rich have tried to legalize their position that their status and wealth allows them to be an upper class the likes of which we originally had a revolution over to establish democracy in this country way back when. The lies and propaganda need to stop and they need to be exposed for what they are.
#13
Palindromedary, great post! I know what you are saying, but the "U.S. Military and all its branches and arms" must decide whether they want to do an about face and rebuild Paradise for their families, or continue fighting in wars at the whim of their superiors, the 1%.
PARADISE? or be MAIMED OR DIE, SO OTHERS CAN BE WEALTHY AND POWERFUL!
If the People themselves, as some have written on this forum, wish to continue walking down the same old useless road, sitting themselves down for a bowl of stew with vegetables of radish and carrots, and not liking the radish and carrots very much, therefore exchanging those vegetables for corn and peas, to put in the same old stew, then, there will be absolutely no hope for a better "anything" for themselves nor their sons and daughters, so to speak.
Some do not wish to join in the protests for they believe the protests are for the middle class. This could not be further from the truth. These protests are for converting this present unworkable system of the nation, into one which pleases the people. These protests are also against all wars which these 1% have hijacked the U.S. Military to fight.
There should not be one single person who feels he or she should be excluded from either of these issues and events.
But no matter what the Peoples all decide, it is in the long run up to themselves, the Peoples of these United States of America, as well as the Peoples of this World. - Cygnus1
"Cheers! Pat Pracher!" - Cygnus1
#14
Talking about Patriots, (who are ALL the Peoples of these United States of America who uphold the Constitution), no matter their affiliation with religion or otherwise, or affiliation with the present monetary system, I think this is of great worth to listen to at this time. Please keep in mind that this video is not only for the better off peoples of the American public, but rather, as the video continues, you, these People of the United States of America, will see it is for all of you, and those who cannot see their way to gaining these papers will be summerily helped by others. I am not promoting a business, I am promoting "survival" which the people need in the here and now until true freedom from the 1% is achieved. Hope you will see the wisdom in this video, for what it actually offers. = Cygnus1
http://soldoutaftercrisis.com/index6b.php?v=y
source: www.rense.com
#15
Thanks, Cygnus1..loved that bumper sticker on Rense.com:
"If Obama's the answer, How stupid was the question?"
By the way here is another good article I found on Rense.com:
Wall Street's Wars
Fallujah Veteran: 'I Served The 1%'
Thoughts on the role of veterans in the Occupy movement
By Ross Caputi
"November 08, 2011 "Information Clearing House" - I did not serve my country in Iraq; I served the 1%. It was on their behalf that I helped lay siege to Fallujah, helped kill thousands of civilians, helped displace hundreds of thousands of innocent people, and helped destroy an entire city. My "service" served Exxon-Mobil, Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, and other multinational corporations in Iraq.
My family in Massachusetts is not safer because of my service, and Iraqis are not freer. I helped oppress Iraqis in a manner far more brutal than what has been experienced by the Occupy movement at the hands of the New York and Oakland police departments."
...
"Many of us have joined the Occupy movement, because we identify as members of the 99%, but the media only began to highlight our participation after Cpl. Scott Olsen was shot in the head by the Oakland police with a projectile on Oct. 25. Olsen was immediately rushed to the emergency room, and his name soon became a rallying cry. A nationwide call was put out for vigils in solidarity with Olsen. "
#16
My Father has written a very important document which gives new perspectives and strategies for the restoration of the American social body and republic. Please take the time to review this material and comment.
#17
Palindromedary, I will be using either a part and portion of your post in regard to the U.S. Military working for the 1%, or rather "made" to work for the 1%. Thank you so much for this information straight out of the mouth of a Military man. This is the second soldier you have quoted. The more information we receive, the stronger is the point we are all making. - Cygnus1
#18
Courageous Patriot, we have read over the material. Please look for our response upon the next forum. Thank you for your posting. - Cygnus1
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