Occupy Wall Street is bringing down the big banks..
By louisehartmann
According to the Credit Union National Association – or CUNA – more than 650,000 people have moved their money into local credit unions across the nation in just the last 4 weeks – coinciding with the rise of Occupy Wall Street – and Bank of America’s decision to set up a $5 debit card fee…a decision the bank has since backed down from.
More people fled the big banks and joined credit unions in the last month – than they did through the entire year of 2010.
If Congress doesn’t want to do its job and end too big to fail banksters – then the people will just starve the banksters themselves. Move your money!
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#2
People of these United States of America, tranferring your accounts out of your banks to Credit Unions, is, in my a good step. It tells the big banks just how dissatisfied you, the people, are with their system. When the big Bank of America abandoned the idea of charging a $5.00 fee for the people's bank cards, they sacrificed nothing, for when these big banks find themselves in a situation of any kind of shortfall of funds, they merely open up one or more bank accounts under their own name and keystroke funds from a computer terminal into those accounts to cover the shortfall. That is the business they are in, and the five dollar fee was only instituted for the purpose of sending another BIG BANKING LIE into the minds of the people, to cover up the facts of how they really work.
#3
But, Consider this!
As tomorrow, Nov 5th, is supposed to be some kind of proclaimed "run on the banks?"...a day when everyone is supposed to transfer their bank savings to Credit Unions..as a sign of protest against the big banks.....just what do you know about Credit Unions? Is your money safe? Are all credit unions the same? Have any of them evolved (or some say...devolved) into entities more like large banks? Are credit unions regulated the same as banks?
The non-profit status of credit unions means that they don't pay taxes. No wonder they can give slightly higher interest rates to the savers. But then again if they don't pay taxes then that means that it puts more of a burden on everyone else having to pay more taxes. Credit unions were originally given that status because they ostensibly didn't make a "profit" and made loans largely to workers and employees....individuals.... for smaller, more essential things like car loans and such. But one wonders how "creative" these credit unions (and any pressure and influence they may buy in congress) have been in defining "profit"..how well off are the CEOs and other executives in credit unions...especially the large credit unions whose assets are in excess of $1 billion each? I'll bet many of those big wigs are not exactly driving around in beat up Toyotas or living in average cracker-box homes.
It is often touted that credit unions are more level-headed and conservative about their business dealings and don't make wild speculative bets like the commercial banks did when they were allowed to place their bets with the investment banks in Wall Street. Of course, people once believed that the Savings and Loans and the commercial banks were a safe bet too!
One wonders how long it will be before, like the Savings and Loans... and now the Commercial Banks, something will be revealed about the credit unions that we will all be scurrying about to move our money yet again to, say, our mattresses or a hole in the ground?
There is a difference between the large banks and the small banks just as there is a difference between the large credit unions and the smaller ones. The transactions and business dealings of credit unions are more in the shadows and not as open for scrutiny as most commercial banks...which could be fodder for some very bad mojo in the future....once everyone transfers their money.
Read this to get a better, or at least a more "balanced?" view of credit unions. I say balanced because most of what you hear or read about credit unions is in a very good light...this web site gives a different view...something people should at least be aware of.
#4
Quote by Eiloflight:
"I don't think we can accomplish change here without violence as long as money has the greatest voice in our society and there are those willing to lick those finely made boots to keep that power in place. Citizen's United tells our leaders that the voice of the voting public does not matter. The 2000 and 2004 presidential elections have shown us that the voice of the people does not matter--voting/elections are just as corrupt here as in any place on the planet. The American Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the French Revolution, etc. are examples. In the Middle East, currently, the corrupt leaders would not step down until they were FORCED, hunted down with violence.
Those who feel they deserve ALL and are entitled to ALL will not give it up unless FORCED to. Currently the logic that "we do better when we ALL do well" has not made an impact. The bare-assed fact that money cannot keep stopping with the 1% does not register in their minds. The economy is a circle; they have broken that circle.
THEY are destroying the economy. THEY are destroying the United States. They claim they are smart. I don't see anything smart in keeping all the capital for themselves and starving the rest of us. We outnumber them. They are just ASKING FOR IT, to be dragged into the streets for justice. They DO NOT LOVE the United States. They are driving it toward destruction for profit.
I abhor violence, but I don't see any other way. The wealthy must fall on their sword of arrogance and selfishness so that the rest of us may live."
Eiloflight, you understand perfectly. Excellent post. While the people outnumber the 1% physically, the 1% still hold the power of money and the power of the Military. That power of the Military is now beginning to dissolve in their hands, and when that dissolution is completed, then the 1% and their worker eyes will no longer have the guns with which to fight the peoples of these United States of America. But the Peoples of these United States of America will then have the guns to fight them effectively.
The power of the Military will have then shifted from the 1% back to the Peoples of these United States of America. A rounding-up of all the 1% and their worker eyes may then take place by the Military, and those criminals will then be taken to one or more of the 800 concentration camps throughout these United States of America, and placed there, in place of the people whom they, the 1%, built these camps for (the dissenters and the people on welfare assistance). - Cygnus1
#5
I also would like to say that, as a form of protest against the big banks and the government that let this corruption all go unchallenged (including mostly the Republican regimes and some of the Democrat regimes for the past 30 years), this is probably much better than trying to change things through a corrupt form of democracy in the corrupt election system.
#6
i don't know what it's going to take to finalize the slow-motion train wreck we've been witnessing since at least 2008... we all know the current electoral and economic systems are fundamentally broken, both in the u.s. and globally, but our super-rich elites seem obsessive about continuing to prop it up, no doubt because they have managed to rig it entirely for their benefit...
ah, well...
tomorrow, the occupy movement here in reno will participate in national bank transfer day... i moved my money over a year ago, closing my wells fargo and hsbc offshore accounts and transferring all my cash to the credit union that i have patronized since 1995...
if a critical mass of people really do move their money - and given reports so far, that may well be the case - it will send a serious message that our bankster lords and masters may be living on borrowed time... let's hope (not the barack obama kind of hope) that's the case...
#7
It's going to be a very rough road ahead...but one that has proven time and time again throughout history...that those who have become adept at accumulating wealth and power...and displaying obvious signs of malevolence against those they left behind [continued reduction in compensation for labor, squeezing out benefits..especially health benefits, shipping our jobs overseas, contrivances to further whittle down the ability of people to provide for one's family through marketing forces especially in the F.I.R.E. (finance, insurance, and real estate) industry which hound you for participation in their detrimental schemes...and pushing the tax burden onto those least able to pay them.]..will eventually fall... through the rebellion of the masses.
The wealthy have realized that if they could use psychology to make the masses all believe that they too would one day be wealthy that they would all side with the wealthy and offset a rebellion. They've used the media...movies, tv, and PR firms to psyche out the people and squeeze them for all they could. But, even though there is still some resistance..old lies and illusions die hard for some people...it looks like it is finally happening and we may have a real revolution in our near future...or in the making. How about those French with their guillotines lopping off heads of the aristocracy who wouldn't pay their fair share of taxes either..and expected the poor to pay it all!
But, of course, revolutions, although proven to be necessary when you have an obstreperous and incorrigibly corrupt and criminal ruling class, are not without some amount of violence and struggle afterwards as the many factions struggle for supremacy. First there is the seeds of revolution...the discontent of the people and formation of anti-ruling elite groups. Then, the infiltration of undercover agents into these groups to undermine them. Then the masses rally and demonstrate. Then the masses begin to get violent to react to the continued violence that is done on them by the police as the demonstrators peacefully demonstrate.Then the military is used to restore order but also commit violence against the demonstrators. Then the various militia through the US get involved and members of the military rebel against their orders to commit crimes of violence against their own families who are demonstrating.
Then if the people succeed at overthrowing the corrupt ruling elite, the various factions struggle for supremacy. Power swings back and forth until things finally settle out. It's a struggle and the most persistent will win out.
We are seeing this in Egypt, and Libya. There is always a danger of the Miltary taking over the country and not wanting to cede power to a civilian form of government. There is a danger of a really nasty dictator...perhaps even in the form of a theocrat who will mandate that everyone attend his brand of church and say their prayers before they go to sleep...or you will be sent to a re-education camp for more brain washing. Then there are those of us who want Michael Moore or Thom Hartmann to be President. Others will want ...oh, well, you get the picture.
#8
I've already begun the process of moving my money out of BOA to a credit union that is affiliated with 670 credit unions nationwide enabling me to use ATM's, make deposits, etc. all over the U.S. I have all the same perks I had with BOA and none of the fees. Need time to switch direct deposits such as SS, pensions, etc. so can't do it in a day, but should be out next month.
#9
On Credit Unions: creditunionruse.com does not have all the facts straight. Credit unions may have grown into large institutions and operate on a tax-exempt status in relationship to their government, however, they do not “walk like a bank” and they do not “talk like a bank,” and they do not abide by the same rules as banks.”
Banks pay corporate taxes because of the huge profits they can make through their intrinsic money creation power as they are allowed to multiply the depositors actual credit by factors between 10 and 20 or more. They then lend those funds out in the form of brand-new loans to these Peoples of these United States of America, (again, with interest). Such practice gives the banks enormous profit potential, whereupon they, the banks, are taxed.
A credit union is a financial institution for the people, and is not allowed to operate under banking practices of creating money out of thin air. They can only lend out funds to the people, which have been actually placed there in the form of investments or surplus deposits. Their potential of astronomical losses is, for that reason, much greater.
Therefore, power to the credit unions, if they grow under the existing rules of rough financial conditions and into large enterprises, for they truly are serving the people in a much fairer business environment than banks.
Banks continually spread lies and deception in order to cloak their wicked practices regarding usury and causes for inflation, etc.
Credit unions do not try to hide their practices under cloaks of lies like banks do.
As an added messure in understanding the mentality of banks, here is the bankers contempt for you, the Peoples of the World., in that whereever there is disaster whether be man made or environmental, the banks, even the largest being the World Bank and the IMF will NOT CONTRIBUTE TO CHARITY BUT RATHER WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SUFFERING OF THE PEOPLE TO LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS WITH PROFITS OF RECONSTRUCTION EFFORTS, EXAMPLE: CONTRACTS AND THE LIKE.
Palindromedary, I trust this will have been of some help.What an excellent point you made! - Cygnus1
#10
I think we should hide our dough from financial managers and just use banks like bill-paying stations.
#11
Palindromedary, you are so correct in your assumptions. Many of these brutish events have happened throughout history. But the United States is not Egypt, Libya, nor are we coming into the French Revolution whereby the peoples formed a mob mentality and carried out their actions like the wild beasts.There does not need to be a rough road ahead as long as the U.S. Military protect the People.
We, still, under the Constitution,have rule of law. In the meantime there are many secret camps to place the criminals, including the 1%, in.
I do not believe that the United States Military will go against their own Peoples of the Constitution.
The Egyptian military does not reflect the aspirations of the People.
If the Peoples of these United States of America wish to just "pick" this one or that one for their leader and that leader or leaders do not have the blueprint in detail to set up a system of economics and societal structure which is the same as the ones used upon other worlds, then those leaders will do the peoples not a bit of good, and very little will change. They will always remain under the thumb of the 1%. This is the danger of exposing the whole blueprint, and this is why we will keep the details to ourselves until such time as the U.S. Military tell us it is time for the next set of applications.
The people who do not know how to set up the new (but first system this world had known) system and continue to place people in power who do not have the experience either, will continually set themselves upon a wheel which will forever turn against them.
In the long run, it is the People who will decide their own future. And if the People who cannot set up the new system because they do not have the blueprint to do so, decide to place others like themselves,( but whom have more understanding of the present day system, than the people), then the People will have done nothing for themselves.
The first transitional government "the peoples shadow government" will be put in place just long enough to effect the quantum easing for the peoples. During this time, the Council of Twenty-Four and the Paradisical system will be set up completely, and then will the money system be completely taken out of operation.
A transitional government must have no power over the U.S. Military. The People working alongside the U.S. Military will keep the order until the new system with its twenty-four leaders (all equal in status, with 12 male and 12 female) be put in place.
The People want to build for themselves and others a paradise on earth transitioning from the old system to the new - well they may have it, but we are not compromising on any other type of system joining with the well known "upon other higher evolved worlds" system of Paradise, which we offer to you, the Peoples of these United States of America and the World.
We are simply here to guide.
So the People must ask those whom they wish to place in power whether they are able to give them a entire System of Paradise in all its detail, or not. If those ones asked cannot answer "yes" then they are not qualified to even sit on the Council of the Twenty-Four.
And then perhaps, as you state, the people are not yet ready. This remains to be seen and then we will leave them to their own chaos. - Cygnus1
#12
Leighmf, you would see an abrupt increase in crime. Break-ins and theft, and perhaps even murders would occur overnight as the people shoot the thieves in order to protect their homes and their cash, and the theives, themselves, would be armed and would also use those arms to rob the people of their cash. - Cygnus1.
#13
I can't move my money. I was smart enough to do that about 25 years ago. A couple years ago when the banksters raised their VISA rates to 18 to 20+%, I received an envelope from my CU. The outside said, "Important Message About Your VISA" and I thought "Uh-oh, their raising my rate from the 12%." When I opened the envelope, the letter said, "Due to the new low prime rate, we are able to lower your interest rate to 8.73%."
That's my Credit Union.
#14
I am constantly amazed at how many people STILL have their money in the likes of BofA, Wells Fargo, Chase, Citi and the like. As someone who went through MANY bank changes as a youger man to avoid getting snagged back into the big banks, as they bought out the smaller, more customer-friendly banks - I just don't get it.
There are myriad local options to avoid the large banksters, and I personally know no one at risk of losing more than the FDIC guarantees. Maybe that says somethign about me, and my associates, but we simply do not have over $100,000 (per account, nor in aggregate) after the roller-coaster ride of our 401K-type accounts over the last 10-15 years. I really do feel like I have lost more money than I ever out into those accounts! And none of them were in banks anyway!
The whole 401K scam was one of the FIRST ways Ray-Gun-Omics devised to redistribute the minimal wealth of the middle class, to the oh-so-needy upper class. Now those dolts, having been rebuffed at privatizing Social Security and Health Care, are working diligently on dismantling Medicare, Social Security and any other program that they can find with value to redistribute to that same oh-so-needy upper class.
Someone said that either the Iraq or Afghan war was the longest in U.S. history- but I submit to you that the war on the middle- and lower- classes is by far the longest-running war in U.S. History. 32 years and counting! And guess who is losing THAT war...
#15
I have been a Bank of America customer since 1982, that's 29 years. I am the kind of loyal customer they hate to lose. But I am moving my money to a community credit union that is owned by its members. I can hardly wait to stop by Bank of America, give them back my checkbook and debit card, and wave bye-bye as I walk out of their bank for the very last time.
And yes, you read it right... many community credit unions are member owned. That means me, I'm part owner of a credit union now, for real. No stockholders, no corporate investors, no Wall Street tycoons, just regular working people like you and me. It's OUR credit union, owned by us.
How can we bring huge corporations down? By refusing to do business with them. Don't bank with them and don't buy their stuff.
#16
I moved my money to a local credit union many years ago when Keybank and the local bank supported Nascar building a race track in town. Lots of us took our money out and said, "No!". Moving money speaks loudly! It stopped Nascar!
Just like cygnus1 explains, my little credit union never did sub-prime loans either and has been solvent and growing all these years. Maybe the local credit union structure is smarter than banks. It is the real banking system we thought we were getting.
#17
Cygnus1: Yes, I tend to agree with you on most of your points concerning Credit Unions and banks. Any kind of questionable activities that credit unions may or may not have done (or will or will not do) cannot compare to what banksters have done. I just hope that we are never disappointed. Banks even fund wars and reap enormous profits from them and they even have been known to launder drug money...with a wink wink here, and a wink wink there. Here a wink, there a wink....ok, back on my meds!
Anyway, you got me really curious about the council of 24..12 men..12 women. I've been looking into the Raelian Movement...of which, apart from all those attempts to fuse some of the biblical stories with aliens..I agree with some of it....they don't believe in a God and are atheists..check...and there are other ideas as well I agree with but then...for a belief system that touts science so highly, they tend to go off on the deep end of non-empirical ideas. Aside from that I have no problem with the possibility (not probability) that mankind was created by some extraterrestrial beings, although the "official" "scientific" story is that we evolved over eons stemming from simple celled organisms. They are both beliefs that I find much more palatable than ...God said "poof! I created man in my image...etc...etc." too much hocus pocus for me.
And then there is something called BlackRoots which is also kind of on the line of knowing exactly how old the universe is...what...67 trillion years old? And they also go into extraterrestrial stuff. It would take quite a while to read all of that stuff which gets pretty weird.
It's all very interesting... but whenever someone starts ideas like the one that founded the Mormon religion...Joseph Smith..finding tablets with the word of God and speaking to an angel Moron-ee, and not to mention his known flim-flam character of the times....and that other guy...L.Ron Hubbard..(a science fiction author...hello!).who started a religion...Scientology...another alien-based belief system..
...I just think that one cannot really take them too seriously. I'm not much into magic, hocus-pocus, or some charismatic figure trying to lead other people around through the nose...or their pocketbooks....or bank accounts. I remember old Bagwan Shree Rajneesh in Oregon many years ago! Otherwise intelligent(?) people would give up their life's savings to find a piece of nirvana with the old man and his fairy tales. All the televangelists are not any different.
I guess my religion, if you want to call it that, is science. And I can't even say I'm a secular humanist because I disagree with a lot of things that that movement tends to espouse. I'm just an atheist, as I've always been an atheist since a child, that thinks that science is the only answer to the riddle of the universe. And one thing is most likely....we'll all die and turn to dust and the only thing that might (or might not) live on is the memory of the one who died by those that still live (for good or bad....whatever that means).
I don't believe in a universal morality because it differs from culture to culture. Just because there are similarities of a few things doesn't mean all cultures need to be regimented by the dictates of any other dominant culture.
One thing I do tend to believe (but I would not bet my soul on..inside joke there) is that the earth has been visited repeatedly by extraterrestrial beings for quite some time. I'm not ready to suit up and drink the cool-aid over that untenable belief...since it is most probable that the government has confiscated all evidence then we are only left with the testimony of people like Colonel Philip Corso and many others.
#18
I am not a bankster!
Wouldn't that be a great bumper sticker or T-shirt?
Just trying to be a "devil's advocate" here. And these statements may, or may not, be true or even important to anyone..and may be bankster misinformation...I don't know...but:
“Credit unions were granted a tax exemption almost 70 years ago so that they could serve low-income people who had little access to financial services. Now credit unions are growing by leaps and bounds, serving middle- and high-income people. Why should the (tax)exemption continue?”
"Though these institutions look and act like community banks, they do not pay taxes or abide by the same rules as banks, depriving taxpayers out of millions of dollars"
"As credit union membership expands, so does the cost to American taxpayers who underwrite the credit union industry’s tax subsidy."
"The credit unions’ regulator – the National Credit Union Administration – has steadily adopted policies that have expanded credit union membership beyond limits prescribed by Congress, yet Congress and local policy makers have done nothing about it."
"Federal- and state-chartered credit unions are not required to meet the credit needs of low- and moderate-income people — with the exception of Massachusetts-based state-chartered credit unions — as banks are required to do. They have no Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) requirements, despite a huge taxpayer subsidy."
"You would think that as tax-subsidized institutions, credit unions would be more transparent. In fact, much of their business is hidden from view. While the deposits of any bank branch are readily available from the FDIC, no such information is available from any regulator about credit union branches. Consumers are thus disadvantaged because the competitiveness and growth of credit union branches is not clear. Moreover, unlike bank branches, federally chartered credit unions can arbitrarily open or close branches without regulatory approval to the detriment of their members."
"Large credit unions are misleading when they say they are not-for-profit. Most large credit unions have loads of profit (what they call retained earnings) which have not been taxed. They simply hold on to it, pay executive salaries, conduct branch expansion, and spend millions on marketing with the tax savings. For example, Massachusetts-based Digital Federal Credit Union spent $5.2 million for the naming rights to the Worcester Centrum, a sports and entertainment arena. This is a not-for-profit? Given it effectively receives a 35 percent tax break, individual tax payers are paying for almost $2 million of those naming rights. (By the way, Digital Equipment, the company for which the credit union was named, no longer exists, yet this credit union with $3.8 billion in assets continues to expand in four states. See the Digital profile on this web site.) "
#19
Years ago we moved our money from a big bank and broker investment to a local credit union with low interest rates, but secure investment in our community. Our mortgage has always been with a small town bank that still manages to stay independent. It ain't livin' high on the hog, but the hog started to really stink, so we got off.
#20
Transferring your money out of banks is one form of rebellion but if you really want to add to that rebellion you should strongly consider not voting for Obama in 2012. Not voting for the guy who now, more than anyone, is beholding to the bankster and Wall Street. Obama, and many Democrats think you have no other choice but to vote for them because the idea of a Republican in office is repugnant. And I agree it would be repugnant. But it is also repugnant that we have been shafted by someone who pretended to be on our side. Let's show the Republicans and the Democrats (but most specially..the ruling elite) that we are no longer going to play their two party corrupt voting system any more. Vote anyone but Republican, or Democrat (unless they Primary Obama out of running), or anyone Americans Elect (a fake "for the people" organization) puts up. Vote Green or Peace and Freedom or don't vote at all. If you really want to be serious about demonstrating then don't play their crooked game.
#21
We joined our credit union over 20 years ago, and also moved all retirement savings to it, much to the dismay of Smith Barney, just before the 2008 bubble burst. The timing of the retirement savings move was no coincidence. It was made right after a conversation with a retired small town Bank President at a friend's birthday party. He clued me in on what was about to happen and because of this we refuse to even consider wall street equities for investment anymore. Safe FDIC insured accounts beat the organized crime on wall street anyday. Besides I love the word UNION!
Joining a credit union is one of the things the 99% can still do to fight back. We're also fortunate to own a fair amount of land and enjoy cutting firewood to spite big oil.... it's like a cross training workout!
I've thought for sometime that an organized effort to move money in unison, away from the corp. banksters would make for a great political statement, after all, these scoundrels have played a major part in the overthrow of our Democracy. Glad to see the move finally happening!
#22
"Occupy Wall Street is bringing down the big banks.."
Are you sure about that? Looks to me like the banksters and repuppetcans are getting ready to launch another assault on the american people. If you think the last recession was bad, just read about what Skank of America is doing:
http://www.allgov.com/Top_Stories/ViewNews/Bank_of_America_Dumps_Trillio...
#23
Palindromedary, very interesting. We are affiliated with no groups whatsoever upon the face of this earth. What we are proposing has nothing to do with religion, nor any religious order known to man and womankind on this earth today.
The new (yet universally-honored) system, is merely a matter of taking the peoples of this world into a paradisiacal order which will give them freedom from political and economical bondage, and take them back into the universal order which is known and practiced upon other planets.
This system of paradisiacal economics and societal structure is not something new to other cultures upon other worlds, or planets, and wherein upon this world races and their cultures differ, under the paradisiacal system these differences will no longer translate into problems of any kind. Why is this?
Because the paradisiacal system works in oneness with all other creation throughout the galaxies and universes.
We have two paradisiacal systems: one is for the non-tribal regions whilst the other is for tribal regions, yet both, when in place, compliment one another and similiarities are evident.
Just as there are various cultures and peoples throughout the universes inhabiting other worlds, so do they all work in coordination one with the other, and this is exactly what the 1% do not want the peoples of this earth to be aware of - that there indeed is a much better way of existence with peace among the human races.
The fact that you believe that when one dies, so-to-speak, and then turns into dust and that is that, is only due to the fact that you see no further. In fact, when one leaves the body, one goes to a "place of the waiting" which can be likened to a place right outside ones back door, if you live in the country, for example, or a place you might find anywhere upon this earth, usually where the soul is able to rest and think yet interact with others if he or she desires.
He or she will be then provided with a house, co-habiting either with others or by he or herself, and when the time comes where that one is called to appear before the Akashic Council, which is a Council of Elders of much experience and wisdom, then it will be decided among all of them (the Elders and the one appearing before the Elders) what the next course of action shall be which he or she must take.
These wise ones are compassionate, understanding, and will be just and firm. Kindness shines out of their loving eyes. They are there to assist the one in question, at the time, into a future incarnation, which will provide lessons which will also assist the individual into a higher evolution of life. Up the rung of the ladder, so to speak, or to see that the individual repeats the lessons which he or she has refused or failed to learn in order to progress or evolve, to live upon a world which is technically, socially, and economically more evolved.
Many of our brothers and sisters from other worlds (they look like ourselves, but the governments of this world wish to frighten the people with pictures of "strange aliens" so the people will turn away from the message when that message is put forth to the people in order to assist the people in rebuilding their paradise) have been tortured and hidden away by the militaries and secret services of this world, but continue in coming directly to this earth in order to bring the time honored message of how to build paradise.
The message that paradise exists is given to the people by religions, yet how to build the paradise, has been taken out of the writings so the religions and governments as run by the 1% will continue in having full control over the peoples of this world.
This same message we are giving you, the people, has been given century following century.
With the message of paradise the governments and the people have historically touted their own message with man-made concepts taking place of truth so that eventually all you have is a garbled self-serving message which in short time becomes "religion." That is why all the religions have a smattering of truth and a lot of falsehoods and confusion.
And it is for this reason that we must be careful by not letting this message of how to set up the paradisiacal system for the people get out too early, for self-serving ones will take it and manipulate it away from the people for their own greed-filled agenda as they have done in ages past.
Palindromedary, I hope I have explained myself well enough. We want neither money nor prestige nor power. We do not want to be your President, nor one of the Council of Twenty-Four. After the peoples of this world are well on their way to rebuilding paradise, assisted at that time by others, plus the Council of Twenty-Four, we will depart. Where we are going, paradise already exists. - Cygnus1
#24
Well, Cynus1, that is quite a story! Very interesting! But I was kind of getting to like the giant grey ant-like creatures with big black eyes..at least you "know" that they are not one of us. Barney and Betty had quite a time with them too. If "they" really look like us then I suppose they could be anywhere..neighbors...bloggers...although one cannot really "see" the person on the other side of the of the inter-network of "pipes" unless video devices are used which I tend to stay away from anyway.
But here is an interesting interview of Donald M. Ware that I found pretty interesting:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ohioexopolitics/2011/08/09/col-donald-m-ware
#25
Cynus1 you probably already know about this:
http://www.serpo.org/release27a.php
#26
There is something going on. I am going to be a part of it.
I was at the WTO protests in Seattle when a bunch of anarchists started busting windows with crowbars. We surrounded them and they got in a circle with their crowbars. I tried to get the Seattle police to come arrest these people that were thirty feet away and threatening violence and breaking windows... The Seattle police would not budge from their "police line", making all of us the enemy. The Corporate Occupation of the United States
Our corporate controlled government (through corporate lobbying and election funding ) is out of the peoples control. People want government control back. Makes sense to me... I feel US corporate capitalism (corporatism) is a type of economic fascism: To have a corporate being where the chain of command eventually muddles all responsibility to any human being. These corporate beings are running your life and controlling your government. (Enough to really make an individual mad and protest.) The corporate being does not exist, and when it comes to face it's corporate responsibility, it is a piece of paper. That is plain and simply wrong. Restore capitalism to individual responsible chains of command, or this struggle will be lost. (This also includes corporate lobbying and corporate election funding, being outlawed; and a new form closer to individual control is established.) Please Sign the petition to amend the Constitution for revoking corporate personhood at: movetoamend.org I feel this will be a bigger day in history for the US than WTO in Seattle:
January 20, 2012 – Move to Amend Occupies the Courts! Move To Amend is planning bold action to mark this
date — Occupy the Courts — a one day occupation
on Friday January 20, 2012, of the Federal Courts, including
the Supreme Court of the United States and as many of the
89 U.S. District Court Buildings as we can. Inspired by Dr. Cornell
West, who was arrested on the steps of the Supreme Court last
month, Move to Amend will lead the charge on the judiciary which
created — and continues to expand — corporate personhood rights. http://open.salon.com/blog/kennspace/2011/10/...
#27
I moved my mortgage from Countrywide to a local bank in 2007 as the debacle began, and the local bank gave me a better deal. Countrywide was giving me the creeps. I tried to set up a twice-monthly payment to accelerate mortgage payoff and Countrywide said, "Oh, fine." It was ruse. It was actually going to cost me more.
Speaking of "the creeps": You have Gold-Sack reps in charge of the Treasury. As we all know, the monopoly banks have been gobbling up smaller banks for decades as they traded traditional banking for high-leverage, unbelievable-risk fantasy-swapping at the grand casino of derivatives trading with no regulation whatsoever ($600T derivative market -- now bigger that the entire global GDP. Our national debt is only 14T).
My point is that the government, under the aegis of Gold-Sackers like Tim Geithner, is continually shutting down small banks. The monopolies got trillions from us when they failed; but these small banks get shut down when they are millions in arrears. It that doesn't smell like financial usurpation, what does? We are moving into an era of completely privatized government. It sounds "capitalistic," but it's criminalistic. I call it crapitalism. It seems like some wicked fairy tale happening, yet it's real.
#28
@Palindromedary
Obama didn't pretend to be on our side. I think he tried to outsmart the system he is entrenched in and found he couldn't do it. There is no GOP candidate alive -- not even the Libertarians -- who won't betray their country. And the whole voting system is at extreme risk anyway. The desperate GOP is totally compromised and delusional. You only have a few in Congress like Bernie Sanders who really get it. And how do these brave people stay afloat in the political auction? One possible caveat with Obama: He will be a lame duck president with no strings attached. If his conscience takes over, he could morph from Lincoln into Teddy Roosevelt. That's what he should do. But the "borrower is servant to the lender (in this case, the briber)," and most politicians fail to see how they have been compromised by the private owners of government. They believe in their own "righteousness," while they betray the people they supposedly work for. They work now for these fictional "corporate people" in privatized government. Incredible swindle. I was a Republican and now I vote straight Democrat. Otherwise, my vote is totally for the corporate shills.
#29
Palindromedary, thank you for the two links. I did not know about either of those links, but I will definitely read them.
Here is something you and the others on this forum may be interested in. It concerns a protest group in London and what our brothers and sisters of this planet are doing overseas. It should bring a smile to your faces. - Cygnus1
#30
As soon as we get some money, we will deposit it in our local credit union (which I have done business with before) and let the B of A account die. We have no money today, because my husband and I are both unemployed (me over 5.5 years, my husband, since July). Today (November 5) was not a good day for this action, though, since most of the small banks and CUs are closed on Saturdays.
#31
Alan Lunn: Of course, you could be right about that. Obama may have initially believed he could do what he said he wanted to do before we elected him. I guess the only person to really know that is Obama, himself. But it sure looked like, aside from a couple of publicly aired meetings with the Republicans where he reamed some right-wing orifices, he pretty much caved in to everything the crapitalists wanted. Who knows, maybe he learned something that just knocked the wind out of his sails....
http://www.serpo.org/release27a.php
...maybe. And who knows if this information is really true. Raygun already tended to believe it even before his briefing. But then they (the Reagans) were already into some pretty mystical, whew, whew, stuff....with fortune tellers and such. Of course, it is quite possible that this is all total bull-crapitalist non-sense. But, I TEND to believe it to be true. With such knowledge it would could radically change one's reality and attitude toward life. Since I have not been briefed by anyone like a William Casey, and have to sort out a whole lot of ridiculous non-sense from what is most likely the truth, I don't really know absolutely, for sure, that any of it is really true. But, I don't dismiss it, out of hand, because I have read a lot things that, after weeding out the totally ridiculous, and after seeing things myself, and recognizing that not everyone who has seen or experienced things are totally bonkers, and recognizing an attempt at a true cover-up by our military and government...so I have to conclude that it is not all ridiculous.
Of course I realize that what a President says could be very disastrous to Wall Street anyway, as markets can panic...but if Obama came out and totally renounced Wall Street and corporate support...and actually made a real effort to show the people that he will not continue to be bought off and will work for the people this time around, we might be willing to vote for him again this time. We need to get money out of politics and a great way to show the ruling elite that a leader cannot be bought is for that leader to shun the money and restore his/her belief in the people who will vote for him/her.
#32
Cygnus1: That was funny....ABOLISH MONEY...then we wouldn't have to worry about transferring our savings from banks to credit unions.
#33
My wife is a retired teacher. (Solidarity!!!) Yesterday we opened an account at the Michigan Educational Credit Union. Couldn't do it today because they're closed on Saturday. Low tech!! Very down home, I like this bank already. As soon as we can tie up loose ends such as autopays, auto deposits, etc. we will be dumping Bank of America. So long BOA!!! M**her F**kers.
I'm pretty busy scrambling to survive; thus I can't hang out at the occupy protests like I'd prefer. But I can vote with my money!! We don't spend out money at Whole Foods, Target, Home Despot, any egregious company doesn't get my money if I can help it. Use the power that you have.
Best to all
#34
Moving our money out of the banks to credit unions is a great first step. Here is another idea, every employed person should go in to work this week and claim a tax exempt status on their W4 form. This is perfectly legal. WE can then demand that our government pass a single payer health plan for all, fair taxation of the top 1% and big corporations , no more corporate welfare , campaign reform ( no more corporate contributions to candidates), complete oversight of Wallstreet by non Wall street cronies, and so much more.
Derek
#35
Home Depot is too expensive anyway....I think they have raised their prices quite a bit on things. I bought a Philips 13w 2-pin base (made in Poland) bulb for something like $7 at Home Depot. Then I found an equivalent GE bulb (made in Hungary) for about $3 at another store...may have been Walmart...I know...I know...bad old Walmart...but still if their prices are cheaper...and not only that but many other businesses are also very likely Republicans and profit mongers as well. Nothing is made in the USA anymore...except crooked politicians and banksters. Radio Shack is also way too expensive for such things as batteries.
#36
I received an email White House request asking what can we do to put Americans back to work. I replied with: In 1933, as part of the government’s response to the Great Depression, Congress enacted the Buy American Act (the 1933 Act). The 1933 Act provides that: (1) only articles, materials, and supplies mined, produced or manufactured in the United States can be used for public projects; and (2) all contractors for public construction projects in the United States must use only domestic materials.
I replied: "With the stroke of the pen Mr. President, you can put Americans back to work without the support of Congress, since the Law Buy American Act of 1933 is on the books."
Respectfully,
George Reiter
#37
Eiloflight and Cygnus1, you are right on the money with your predictions. I will say we will initally get squashed down like the insignificant bugs they think we are, but following that will be the true beginning of the revolution. We will win, but the violence might make the first civil war seem like a minor skirmish. Good luck to us all.....
#38
The bulb? Here is the bulb lightening up my thoughts. Thom Hartmann has preached Economics 101 with the Externalizing Costs, the costs to our environment with polluted rivers, the air polluted, not to mention the loss of the Multiplier Effect, which states that for every one dollar introduced into the American economy, three dollars are introduced in our economy, and are being lost. The “bulb” would not cost $13.00 dollars because the tariffs that no longer exists in America but if reinstituted would bring that “bulb” cost down to reasonable cost that I could afford. The cost of the “bulb” with tariffs would spread that costs throughout the economy. Where we have “comparative advantage” the savings would not go upwards to the 1% population, as now exist where the One Percent’ers take all of our “comparative advantage” to their benefit.
#39
I switched to my local credit union back when Wamu was bought by Chase. Best decision I ever made. I was not a City employee, so in order to join, I had to agree to let the credit union (yes, the credit union, not me) donate $10 a month to our local library. AWWWesome!!!!!! So many people are getting new accounts, it actually had to open longer hours to accommodate them on Saturday!! Yay!
#40
I sure burned up a lot of fossil fuel looking at your picture! Yummy! But, alas, this is the internet and for all I know the front half is male.
Yes, what to do...there is certainly a lot of hypocrisy...but who is really going to actually spend double the price for something? What?.. because it is made in the US? Nothing is made in the US anymore except marketing hype, insurance, and other F.I.R.E. economy schemes that are rigged to milk what little money you have left out of you.
Even those products that are ostensibly US brand names are really made overseas. All I have ever bought was "American" cars but how much of that car is actually made in the USA as the dealers and manufacturers want you to believe?
Is it my fault? Really? Which came first the greedy crapitalilst seeking to maximize his profits or the lowly, just-scraping-by retiree who has to watch every penny? The answer is obvious! It's the same old blame the poor for their ills and avoid berating the greedsters who exploit them. And so you make US feel guilty for our plight and not those criminals who created the whole sordid exploitation system that rigged the system so that we really have no other choice?
Those who make lots of dollars don't have to worry about "just making it" and can afford to be pompous and self-righteous when they can afford to pay more...because it pretends to be made in the US. And I would bet that even if one made a lot of money..they still buy as cheaply as possible.
The jobs are all overseas because of greedy corporatists whose only goal is to maximize profit even if it sacrifices people along the way. It is because they have bought a corrupt political system that allows them to do that. So don't blame people who have no other choice but to pay the cheapest prices in order to survive.
I do, of course, agree that it makes little sense to waste a lot of gas in trying to buy the cheapest price. But, in my case, I did not go to Walmart for the purpose of buying bulbs at a cheaper price...I was already at Walmart for other things and noticed the bulbs and how much cheaper they were. I am always conscious of how much it would cost me in gas to take advantage of lower prices and take that into consideration. Walmart is not any farther from me than Home Depot so it would not matter anyway.
But I do know what you mean about some people who just look at the "sales" and will waste more money in gas than they would save on the "sales". But I think many people, especially those who have learned that they need to be economical (like don't pay more than you have to for anything...even though it may make you feel all patriotic and warm inside), have to get what they can at the cheapest price. But don't be penny wise and dollar foolish!
#41
Liberal4ever, with the Miltary back on the side of the people, protecting the people, who will the 1% and their foreign based government sitting in the White House and on Capitol Hill and in the Pentagon use to fight the People of these United States of America with? The police against the MILITARY? It will not happen. The police will join with the Military.
If the People speak to their sons, daughters and other members of their families who are in the Military or are Military vets, they will have done their part, including, continuing the occupation, those who are able. Some parts of the country are now cold, but those people can do what they can for others, in other parts of the country, collecting food, clothing, tents, etc.
If the people wait for their Military backing and do not take up guns themselves against the government of the 1% who are based in Washington D.C., but continue instead in doing what you are doing, then there should be no bloodshed anywhere.
The transition will be completed, with the People backing the Military who will arrest the 1% and their worker eyes and complete the process by throwing them directly in the concentration camps which they, the 1%, built for these, the Peoples of these United States of America.
When the new system is in place these wicked ones will then be brought before a Council of Just Men and Women and will be awarded according to their deeds through Universal Principle and Justice.
There will be no more courts, nor lawyers, nor Judges. For the majority of them worked under a system which has always been against these, the Peoples of these United States of America, and against these, the Peoples of the World in each and every nation.
With so much injustice in the land and world wide, the prison halls will be opened and prisons dismantled, and those who are truly unfit for a paradisiacal world, will be dealt with accordingly and be removed from among all others.
The gates of the prisons will be flung open and the innocent and misdemeaners will go free. This is as much as we may tell you, the Peoples of these United States of America, at this time. We will say no more of this until much later.
When the tables have turned... - Cygnus1
#42
Quote by ddb311
"Moving our money out of the banks to credit unions is a great first step. Here is another idea, every employed person should go in to work this week and claim a tax exempt status on their W4 form. This is perfectly legal. WE can then demand that our government pass a single payer health plan for all, fair taxation of the top 1% and big corporations , no more corporate welfare , campaign reform ( no more corporate contributions to candidates), complete oversight of Wallstreet by non Wall street cronies, and so much more.- Derek"
This is an excellent idea whilst the Military continues in grouping its men and women together to uphold the Constitution of these United States of America, and the People of these United States of America and thereof.
Do not expect, however, that the foreign-based government in these, the United States of America, will behave in a way to uphold the statutory requirements. But, nonetheless, the Peoples of these United States of America should follow your very sensible and intelligent idea, for we must allow the 1% and their worker eyes no excuse when the day comes when they stand bare-footed, and penniless before the Council, to exonerate themselves from their wicked deeds. - Cygnus1
#43
"I received an email White House request asking what can we do to put Americans back to work. I replied with: In 1933, as part of the government’s response to the Great Depression, Congress enacted the Buy American Act (the 1933 Act). The 1933 Act provides that: (1) only articles, materials, and supplies mined, produced or manufactured in the United States can be used for public projects; and (2) all contractors for public construction projects in the United States must use only domestic materials.
I replied: "With the stroke of the pen Mr. President, you can put Americans back to work without the support of Congress, since the Law Buy American Act of 1933 is on the books."
Respectfully,
George Reiter"
George Reiter, Excellent suggestion. Unfortunately, the foreign power running Washington D.C. will not permit their President who occupies the White House Chair, Obama, nor any other one after him, to apply the rights as given to the government under this statute which has never been repealed.
So we are sorry to say, in full face of the validity of this law, it is not being applied to the benefit of these, the Peoples of these United States of America. Evidently it is once again the 1% and their worker eyes stopping a good law from being implemented, providing one more reason why these people must be removed from offices of "public trust."
When we speak of the term "stroke of a pen" we usually mean the creation of money out of "thin air, which is also a right belonging to the President of the United States, but those Presidents who have ever used that power for the benefit of the people of the United States, have become murdered. - Cygnus1
#44
Palindromedary, I have not had a chance to look at your most interesting links, in any depth, but I will do so in the next few days. - Cygnus1
"Cygnus1: That was funny....ABOLISH MONEY...then we wouldn't have to worry about transferring our savings from banks to credit unions."
Glad you liked it, but remember, this is not too far off in the overall picture. That should really make you smile! - Cygnus1
#45
Cygnus 1: The vision you present is certainly making ME smile. With this entire planet having been IMF'D, and with a bleak and violent future ahead, the events you talk about would indeed be welcome. That there is actually INTELLIGENT life here ready to guide us towards the good and the truly righteous : that would be amazing. I"m holding up a glass of wine and saying "here's to the future you write about." Cheers.
#46
Righteous!
#47
I disagree, cygnus1. You don't get why they are called "Banksters." You are proposing that we need them for "protection." I am just as likely to get kidnapped at the gas station and forced by knifepoint to an ATM any day of the week. Then I would be killed because, ha ha, there is nothing in my account.
#48
September 17th is the day Occupy Wall Street began. If you look back to occurrences on that day in the history of the United States and the world, it is THEE perfect day for it to have started as so many very important beginnings happened on that particular date. If September 17th history is any indication, we may someday be making it into a national holiday. Here’s the list of events occurring on September 17th that goes back almost 400 years that seems to have an amazing thread to it.
September 17th Events in History:
1630- The city of Boston, Massachusetts is founded, which will become the cradle of the American Revolution.
1787- The U.S Constitution is signed in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania with the hope that a government and nation was created that truly responded to the will of just WE THE PEOPLE.
1814- Francis Scott Key finishes his poem “Defence of Fort McHenry”, later set to music to become “The Star Spangled Banner”. (All countries need "theme music." I wish ours was changed to "America the Beautiful.")
1858-The black slave Dred Scott dies. The year before the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled that Scott, and by extension all black slaves, were ruled property and not people and that slaves did not in fact become free in a free state. (The Supreme Court would again turn logic on its head in the 2010 Citizens United decision to rule that property, corporations, are essentially people.)
1862- The American Civil War Battle of Antietam is fought. The Confederate Army is forced to retreat back into Virginia. It is the victory Lincoln and his cabinet decided they needed earlier that summer to announce the Emancipation Proclamation. All black slaves thus begin the road to freedom and equality. It is the beginning of Dred Scott's vindication as well. The Battle of Antietam is the bloodiest single day in American history with over 25,000 casualties. Not to discount their sacrifice in any way, but the 1% American oligarchy has been bleeding us dry far too long. They have caused needless pain and suffering that has led to things like the lack of healthcare, that could be easily given to everyone, that annually costs the lives of 45,000 people.
1978-The Camp David Accords are signed by Israel and Egypt, the needed first step to ultimately one day achieve peace in the Middle East.
1980- After weeks of strikes at the Lenin Shipyard in Gdansk. Poland, the nationwide independent trade union Solidarity is established. This is probably the first step in the ending of Soviet domination over eastern Europe and the Soviet Union’s ultimate collapse.
1993- 13 years to the day later, the last Russian troops leave Poland.
2001- The New York Stock Exchange Reopens for trading after the September 11 Attacks, the longest closure since the Great Depression.
2011- 10 years to the day later, the Occupy Wall Street movement began in Zucotti Park, New York City. Hopefully, it is the beginning of the movement that truly establishes the government the U.S. Constitution intended, a government and nation of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE and for the PEOPLE that will never perish from the earth. Hopefully, it is also the beginning of eliminating greed, social and economic inequality, poverty and creating a better, greener, renewable sustainable earth with peace, harmony, plenty to eat and all are free to pursue happiness and their dreams.
Jim L
Sonora, California
P.S. One other date I didn't include as it probably can't be viewed as a really significant beginning:
1778- The Treaty of Fort Pitt is signed. It is the first formal treaty between the United States and a Native American tribe, the Delaware Indians. (I think corporate "personhood" could have started at this much earlier date. The Delawares had to have traded something to the U.S. in the treaty. Perhaps it was those notoriously lax Delaware corporation laws that to this day Delaware is most famous for?)
#49
Palindromedary, it is interesting that the CIA special department continues in wishing to keep secret the "message" which extraterrestrials bring to the human race upon the face of this earth. They will go to great lengths to sway the peoples attention toward otherworldly events such as the Roswell crash. The Navy is a very heightened participant in this.
The very word "extraterrestrial" belongs to everyone on the face of this earth because this earth long ago was to be a waystation for intergalactic craft to meet and communicate. It was such a lovely planet. I believe we have already covered this on one of the earlier forums so I will not go into this again at this time, but to say that this planet of earth has been seeded by many intergalactic human races as they visited this world, so I smile when people refer to "others" who come to visit this earth as "extraterrestrials" or "aliens." I place such words in quotations.
With the CIA and their secret departments, they have stated they have many files concerning "extraterrestials," and you know that in many of those files, are information contained from human beings just like ourselves. We are no different than any other human being in form save that of those who have overcome the illnesses or damaged body DNA, which make for bodily imperfections.
It is vitally important that we, as a peoples, understand the "message" brought to the human race, by those from other worlds, whom, many of them, reside upon this planet, here, today. And this is something your CIA and their various branches (including portions of the Military) do not want the people to even remotely focus upon. Better for them if people focus upon ones whom have large black eyes instead, and nothing but the Roswell story, as it is talked to death.
Let us instead then focus upon the "message" which this, the human race, needs to know for their own survival and happiness, instead of focusing upon the overworn Roswell story.
Thank you, Palindromedary for the Presidential briefing and that of Colonel Donald M. Ware, concerning what many call UFOs.
UFOs are simply a format of transportation, from planet to planet, galaxy to galaxy, and universe to universe through vortexes and the shifting of molecules for molecular travel.
As the tribal regions of long ago upon this earth thought the sight of an aeroplane was an astronomical event, and they all came rushing out of their huts to observe whether this was to be an attack on their culture, and what manner of beings flying such large birds could this be, so it is with many of the peoples of this earth today. But many today are becoming less afraid due to a heightened understanding and the internet.
It is the same with flying saucers, and extraterrestial craft of other designs They are flown in the skies just like our own aeoroplanes are flown in the skies overlooking this earth. First there is the fear from the inhabitants of this lesser evolved world, and then comes the understanding which erases all fear, and replaces that fear with happiness, anticipation, and finally, contentment and a true feeling of security and belonging to a community larger than themselves. - Cygnus1
#50
Without nuts and bolts from another planet, or at least a teleportation device, I get kinda dreary eyed with anything that sounds like religion. God said this..the aliens said that...it really gets into the realm of hocus pocus and total non-sense. I can't say that I even really believe that Reagan briefing...but it looks like someone really put a lot of work into it. But I don't totally disbelieve it either.
"Don't get on that space ship! That book they gave us...we've decyphered it...'.How to Serve Man'....it's a cook book!!!"
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