Who’s screwed? American patriots....

American patriots practicing their first amendment rights to free speech. Two campus police officers with the University of California, Davis are on paid administrative leave after video surfaced over the weekend of them dousing a group of occupying patriots sitting peacefully on the sidewalk with a can of pepper spray. In addition – calls on campus are growing for the Chancellor of the University, Linda Katehi, to resign, since she was the one who ordered the police in to break up the occupation. She has since apologized and has promised an investigation into the use of excessive force. Meanwhile – cops patrolling the Occupy Boston encampment are hoping the weather will finish off the patriots in Bean Town. In the last few days – as temperatures dropped – police have been confiscating materials like insulation and winterized tents.

As one member of Occupy Boston said about the police, “they are trying to cause people to freeze…they’re trying to flush us out.” On top of that – DC lobbying firms are getting in the game too. A leaked memo from a lobbying group outlines a plan to destroy the Occupy Wall Street Movement with “opposition research” and “negative narratives” for the small price tag of $850,000 – to be paid for by the American Bankers Association.

When it comes to the 99% Movement – free speech is literally being chilled.

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TarryFaster 10 years 45 weeks ago
#1

Occupy The Bottom

The other night, an Occupy caller asked a vital question on Mike Malloy's Show: Should the Occupy Movement become politically active? This critical question danced around through days of online discussions. I listened intently and now want to my inject my thinking on the subject.

Historically, Top Down Management has been the primary method of control in most organizations. That it has been the acknowledged "standard" can be traced from humans all the way back into the most primal members of the animal and insect kingdoms. One of the most vital aspects of any management process is communications and most communications are currently relayed from the top to the bottom. However, with the advent of our present day technology, we are able to not only reverse the communication paths, but to expand them horizontally, as well.

The Occupy Movement is ideally positioned to create a new, powerful and efficient Bottom Up Management system that would replace the out-dated Top Down paradigm. Here is how I envision it working:

A person who wants to join the Occupy Movement would log into a secure website and provide a few, necessary details about themselves: name, email address and zip code. Access to, and even expansion of, this information would at all times be monitored by the individual. Upon hitting Enter, as most of us have experienced, we would be advised to check our email and respond to a confirmation link. Once a member has securely registered and again logged in, they will join other members who have the same zip code. All of the members with a common zip code can create, debate and vote on local issues/candidates in their exclusive forum. Additionally, they will all have access to their county, state, National and International forums with the same abilities to create, debate and vote on issues/candidates. The real time votes will be automatically and continually maintained in numerical and chart formats. The site would also list current political representatives as well as their actual voting records. Additionally, registered as well as non-registered site visitors will be allowed access to all of the voting results.

Of course, the over-riding and long-term value of this whole system is contingent upon an un-encumbered, reliable and accurate public electoral process, but it would be a step toward providing ALL of us with the ability to provide input into a technologically advantaged, 21st Century, Bottom Up, process of self-determination.

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2950-10K 10 years 45 weeks ago
#2

It would seem Chancellor Katehi, Bloomberg and others are clearly abusing their positions of power simply to make PERSONAL political statements. I think it needs to be emphasised that these individuals are wasting PUBLIC funds, when they call out force, in violation of our First Amendment Rights, to put down peaceful protests. This personal misuse of the local Police budgets and power should be grounds for removal from any position of public trust.

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Palindromedary 10 years 45 weeks ago
#3

And who would CONTROL the web site? Americans Elect? The Tea Party? The Koch Bros? On the internet...no one knows just who is at the other end(s). The attempt to centralize CONTROL, even though it has the outward appearance of otherwise, will possibly result in some very nasty consequences. Like, for one thing, anyone REGISTERING will give up his/her anonymity....even more than what he/she gives up already by participating in social networking..like Twitter and Facebook...or even Blogs. Maybe Chaos is more frightening to those who want to rule than an attempt to centralize control.

Americans Elect, in my opinion, is very untrustworthy and has been very sneaky in the process of further undermining democracy...rule by the people for the people...because they try to make us believe that the current two party system is corrupt...and that is the truthful part of what they have to say...most people agree....and so do I....but then they say...they are going to use the internet to amass a consensus of all who participate in their "on-line primary" to determine who will run against the current two parties with their own party.

What they don't tell you is who funds Americans Elect...they don't want you to know...because, it has been found out that some very wealthy and powerful people are behind it. If you trust electronic voting machines then you probably trust this idea that Americans Elect has. The person they put up to run for President may be someone totally not voted on in their on-line primary. You are at their mercy for trusting them.

But this is the modus operandi of a lot of the ruling elite...make the leftist liberals believe they are one of you..invent and hide behind a liberal or leftist sounding name.....infiltrate the groups..get them to believe in you...then undermine them. That is what the FBI has been doing, I believe, in finding patsies to take the heat for so-called terrorist operations...so that the FBI, and the government, can both keep us very afraid..and that we need them to protect us.

Americans Elect was founded by Peter Ackerman...a very wealthy man who was known as Michael Milken's right hand man..and although Milken when to prison...Ackerman only had to pay the government $80 million and didn't go to prison. Ackerman got very wealthy on Wall Street and was either the founder, or co-founder of other organizations that pretend to be left-leaning (fooled a lot of liberals) but is not. He is part of a think tank that wants to destroy social security and other social programs. One organization's purpose is to undermine and overthrow other(?) governments by subversion...rally and train internal groups of "citizens" in how to demonstrate, propagandize other citizens to rally behind their cause, and then undermine and overthrow their governments.

The impetus has been on overthrowing governments that are not necessarily friendly to the ruling elite in the US. The targeted governments are often more magnanimous to the majority of their people instead of the US preferred way of backing the ruling elites of that country. Basically, those organizations appear to be doing the bidding of what the discredited CIA once did..One wonders if he is now trying to do the same right here in America.

Any attempt to centralize, by registrations and zip codes, sounds a lot like an attempt to further spy on people and categorize people for some possible future oppression. Hitler used IBM tabulation machines...now our oppressors have computers and the internet. But, so do we! And our strength comes from our anonymity..but, of course, I for one am not very anonymous...obviously...but a lot more anonymous than I would be if I were just handing out zip code and other information..at least it takes a little more effort to glean that information...than having a web site that collects it from willing masses beguiled into believing they were participating in one thing but actually participating in the oppression efforts against them.

I think one of the reasons why the OWS has worked so well and has really scared a lot of the ruling elite is because of their decentralized impetus.

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Palindromedary 10 years 45 weeks ago
#4

"Historically, Top Down Management has been the primary method of control in most organizations. That it has been the acknowledged "standard" can be traced from humans all the way back into the most primal members of the animal and insect kingdoms."

And it is also historically accurate to say that Top Down Management has always been corruptible and has failed to remain true to the people who held those "management" in esteem. Top Down Management is corruptible and often elusive.

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Proveloper 10 years 45 weeks ago
#5

TarryFaster's bottom-up proposal has merit but would need additional security to prevent it from being gamed by the richly financed concervative right who could juse hire their minions and provide them with 100+ email addresses. One might improve security by:

1) Charge a $5.00 application fee. If there has been more than 2 applications using a credit card with the same name and last 4 numbers, or PayPal account, a hold would be placed on the 3rd application. Proceeds would pay for membership security efforts and to maintain the website.

2) Require a 9 digit zip code, which is specific to a single address. This allows a cross-check against a current participants database. If there has been more that two applications from a single address, a hold would be placed on additional applications.

3) Send the access code by US Mail to the applicant's address in the form of a pull-apart security envelope. This makes sure that the person who is applying for membership actually resides at the address.

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cygnus1 10 years 45 weeks ago
#6

TarryFaster, we agree with Palindromedary, the dangers are immense. The internet is not safe. In addition to this, you will never get on your feet as a nation if you insist upon going around in circles, voting for this and voting for that, and voting for this person, and that person, who knows little more than any of you do, in how to set up a system for the People which will give all of peoples their right to the enjoyment of True Liberty. Why then do you and others insist upon working within a system which offers no solution? - Cygnus1

"All of the members with a common zip code can create, debate and vote on local issues/candidates in their exclusive forum. Additionally, they will all have access to their county, state, National and International forums with the same abilities to create, debate and vote on issues/candidates."

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cygnus1 10 years 45 weeks ago
#7

Patriots, some of these men are brought over from the Philipines, directly out of prison. They are the hard cord ones, murderers. - Cygnus1


Activists press for closure of military training school By: ActivistPost

Agence France-Presse

"Thousands of activists on Saturday marched on the controversial training base for soldiers from Latin American militaries formerly known as the School of the Americas, at Fort Benning, Georgia, to demand its closure..

"....The activists called on President Barack Obama to close the school, which they argue costs US taxpayers millions of dollars that, they point out,could be used to improve or build more public schools in the United States.” end quote

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cygnus1 10 years 45 weeks ago
#8

Look at the similarities as to what is happening in the United States and Palestine once again. - Cygnus!


Thom and Louise wrote: "...Meanwhile – cops patrolling the Occupy Boston encampment are hoping the weather will finish off the patriots in Bean Town. In the last few days – as temperatures droppedpolice have been confiscating materials like insulation and winterized tents."


Report: Palestinian Village Condemned To Live In Darkness

"After the "Seeba" Spanish organization managed to install Solar Panels at a Palestinian village in the West Bank, known as Amenzil, and for the first time its residents managed to have electricity, Israel issued a military injunction ordering the residents to remove the Panels.

The village never had power, but after the panels were installed, the residents started providing their homes, and event tents, with lights, bought TV sets and other electric materials." end quote

Source www.whatreallyhappened.com

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catbestland 10 years 45 weeks ago
#9

OK, I am a pacifist. Have always been. But after seeing that disturbing video of the cops spraying those peacefully demonstrating students and after hearing Newt Gingridge declare that the Occupy movement protesters should "go out and get a job right after they take a bath", I am livid. I think it is time for the protesters to at least start resisting the police if not actually defending themselves. Here is a thought, the small cans of pepper spray used by the police only spray about 10 to 12 ft. (The large ones a little further). Bear spray on the other hand sprays at least 30 ft and is available in most sporting goods stores. It comes in small easily carried cannisters and is easy to use. Bear spray is designed to repel the attacks of charging grizzly and black bears but should also work on pigs.

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cygnus1 10 years 45 weeks ago
#10

Catbestland, that is an excellent non-violent idea and should be implemented. Patriots rights should never be walked over and the police are definitely walking over the rights of the Protesters. It would be very difficult for the police to see who did the spraying with Bear spray in their eyes. - Cygnus1

Thom and Louise write:

"Two campus police officers with the University of California, Davis are on paid administrative leave after video surfaced over the weekend of them dousing a group of occupying patriots sitting peacefully on the sidewalk with a can of pepper spray. In addition – calls on campus are growing for the Chancellor of the University, Linda Katehi, to resign, since she was the one who ordered the police in to break up the occupation. She has since apologized and has promised an investigation into the use of excessive force."

The Chancellor, Linda Katehi, was only sorry she was caught giving such orders to the police, knowing full well what methods the police would take against protesters. Had the apology any bearing to it, the policemen would have had their paychecks suspended as well. - Cygnus1

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dowdotica 10 years 45 weeks ago
#11

don't the cops get it? maybe when they get more of thier pensions ripped off? uh maybe when they stop getting grade raises? uh...maybe when municipalities across the nation as they go bankrupt start laying them off? holy bat crap it makes my head hurt! personally? any leading authority ordering the officers to take action with out just cause should be terminated! As well as the officers missing the point. Now mind you i am fully aware of the usurpers within the patriots movement, you know that faction of good old trouble makers, they themselves should be run out of the protest in as non violent a way as possible and for all the technology the OWS folks have it seems to me they could hook up with local law enforcement and que them via cell phone and texting of potential threats to the groups. 2-20 trouble makers verses 100-1000 ows folks? tell them to call the cops step aside and let the cops haul them off....

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dowdotica 10 years 45 weeks ago
#12

pepper spray me, pepper spray you so the war doth begin. taze me, taze you, so the weaponary grows. shoot me shoot you...blood in the street runnning red. got anarchy? the idea is very good don't get me wrong but the time to lower the standard by which the protestors currently adhere to would then give all the more reason for the right wing media machine to paint an even more twisted picture of it all. pacifist to pacifist? perserverence is the key. society is so failing in civility...OWS if nothing more is actually trying to convey that very essence which in and of itslef speaks volumes to all of us who want america back! Everybody go out and put a sticker on your car that says..."evolution...its a choice" "advocates to end political hypocrisy" "OWS"

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coolflowers 10 years 45 weeks ago
#13

Hi

I do not usually comment. I think this is pertinent. I once applied to be a park ranger (police officer). I passed the physical, written, and psychological tests with flying colors. They dropped my candidacy after I answered, "yes" when asked if I have ever participated in a political protest.

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pairadocs 10 years 45 weeks ago
#14

It looks to me like PUBLIC funds are being wasted cleaning up after these wandering souls. Millions of dollars needeless spent. Most of it in already cash strapped cities. Why don't Malcome Forbes or Michael Moore donate their personal property to the occupiers? Then there are no more issues with the police and everyone wins. Maybe they don't want there land to be dug up and hauled off as bio hazard waste when this is over in Nov. 2012.

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2950-10K 10 years 45 weeks ago
#15

"Cleaning up after wandering souls" How do college students getting peppered sprayed fit into this category?.....Sounds like somebody has bought into the, "dirty hippies that don't know what they want," right wing talking point. My advice...go to an occupy protest and report back. I've been to two occupy sites and most certainly the vast majority of patriots were educated, employed, down to earth, and left no mess behind!.... FACT

leoqueen 10 years 45 weeks ago
#16

I think what to do depends on where you are. Here in Portland OR the police have been much more restrained than they are in other Occupied cities. Probably that's because the Department of Justice is in town already investigating them for use of excessive force and dishonest reporting. So what we have is Occupy supporting rallies on a series of subjects, and really interesting discussions on our public TV channels about how to proceed. These are some really energized, intelligent, poised, ruthless young people doing a quick study on how to work together. I love and support them!

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sherrycox 10 years 45 weeks ago
#17

Let's learn to OCCUPY EVERYTHING! Bless the camps, but let's get creative: OCCUPY CHRISTMAS could be a motto on Christmas cards. I saw a cafe offering OCCU-PIE! OCCUPY AMERICA stickers on our cars. Baseball caps with OCCUPY!! We can OCCUPY everything, everywhere we are. And always make it an action with kindness, consciousness, and connection involved.

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ginico55 10 years 45 weeks ago
#18

Time to move inside, organize across the country - communicate between States and identify common goals that will address problems and work together to achieve a positive outcome of those goals. Yes, it does mean that they will need to work with one of the parties - the one that offers the best solutions to the problems as they see them. How in the world that would ever be the right would be beyond my thinking! They need to study the progression of Reagan economics and how it has affected our economy today - that will lead them to many answers.

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historywriter 10 years 45 weeks ago
#19

I think any such move as using any kind of spray on the cops is a bad Idea. It would be construed as violence. After all, that's what most of us think the cops did in directly spraying tear gas in the students' faces.

And there would be repercussions. It would invite cops and administrators to come in and use violence of any kind to get the people out and keep them from occupying.

This sounds a little like the old civil rights battle between Martin Luther King Jr.'s insistence of nonviolent protest, and the actions of some young people to use violence because peace wasn't getting us very far. That didn't turn out very well, if you remember.

I still think nonviolence should be the way the occupy people continue to go. They have impressed a lot of people with your discipline and ability as a group to do what seems best. I loved the silence that surrounded the Davis chancellor as she walked to her car. Imagine that same walk with all of the surrounding viewers and students shouting and calling names and waving signs. Silence was much more dramatic and effective.

TarryFaster 10 years 45 weeks ago
#20

"And who would CONTROL the web site?"

Perhaps a group with obvious tech chops and intentions -- like the Anonymous groiup:

http://www.whatis-theplan.org/forum

TarryFaster 10 years 45 weeks ago
#21

"Top Down Management is corruptible and often elusive."

Exactly why this should be a Bottom Up system.

TarryFaster 10 years 45 weeks ago
#22

"... you will never get on your feet as a nation if you insist upon going around in circles, voting for this and voting for that, and voting for this person, and that person, who knows little more than any of you do ..."

I didn't intend to imply actual electoral voting. Instead, I'm thinking more along the lines of a polling system to indicate spcific and broad thiinking on a panorama of subjects.

--

Of course there will always be lively discussions with some people knowing what they are talking about and others not so much. However, this idea is a way to open up discourse on a very local level with ramifications that could be international in scope.

TarryFaster 10 years 45 weeks ago
#23

Security is ALWAYS going to be an issue. However, there ARE ways (and experts with skills) to maintain security and therefore we shouldn't be detered out of fear of failure.

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cygnus1 10 years 45 weeks ago
#24

Perhaps, at this time the peoples of these United States of America should instead outfit themselves with goggles and masks to ward off the pepper spray and tear gas. But it does not hurt to have backup when the police in a group begin again brutalizing one or more of the Protestors. We do not wish another Scott Olson incident, nor a repeat of the incident where a young man was shown with blood on top of his head and blood running down his face. Eventually, the Military will need to intervene on behalf of the Peoples of these United States of America because the police, will in time, become more violent, and the Military are the only ones trained to deal with this type of Police violence. - Cygnus1

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2950-10K 10 years 45 weeks ago
#25

My suggestion to the occupy movement.....compile a list of names of individuals who should be arrested for committing or involvement in acts of economic terror. Occupy where these individuals live, make a citizens arrest, and charge them with crimes related to the illegal gaming of Democracy. Hold a mock trial that publically exposes all details of their crimes and sentence them to deportation to one of the poorest and most violent states in the world....Somalia. Norquist would be a good start ...tea party house members....the list will be long!

Arbitrary power purchased from and sanctioned by republicans in the hands of those seeking financial gain, "wealth without work," at the expense of the 99% is violent to society and needs to end. Newt Get-Rich seems to have become the self appointed poster child for this republican ideology.

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Palindromedary 10 years 45 weeks ago
#26

Are you so sure that this whatis-theplan website is really anonymous? There is quite a bit of chatter about this group on the internet and maybe people should watch this video before believing that "whatis-theplan" web site is really legitimately Anonymous. The video basically claims that the web site whatis-theplan.org is not really anonymous..but that it is just one of many web sites that claim to be anonymous and who are trying to make money and/or prey on unsuspecting people who fall for it.

This video says that this web site collects information of people who sign up and are susceptable to government seizing control of the servers and collecting of membership information. Doesn't sound like "anonymous" to me! This video says that the real anonymous is not about profit but this web site sells merchandise. It says that "Whatis-theplan.org and all it represents is fundamentally destroying Anonymous".

The video says that Anonymous is a leaderless movement yet Whatis-theplan.org moderators control how the conversations play out by banning anyone who attempts to make an independent thought or question the website moderators. The video says..."We have concluded that it is something set up by heretics or federal agencies so that Anonymous might be contained and controlled yet users can still feel like they are contributing. "You have done this because you FEAR the true idea of Anonymous. You realize you cannot stop it so instead you seek to twist it."

Think about it....Anonymous...means anonymous...it does not mean sign up, give us information about you, let us sell you a t-shirt (or whatever)...it does not mean that you will be corrected or ostracized for saying the wrong things that are not in accordance with the dictates of the dogma that the site may demand. Anonymous is not about peace-loving hippies and flower children...and lets all just get along. It is more about tearing down the corrupt and entrenched power elite systems and freedom of information.

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2950-10K 10 years 45 weeks ago
#27

Are we on the eve of total economic destruction?.....I see no trade or tax reform on the horizon and much more job loss... thanks to more CUTS! However most of us know a select and evil few on Wall Street will get much wealthier as the economy continues to disintegrate.

History shows we have no alternative, Govt. must SPEND its way out of a depression. Just ask any good economist!

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Palindromedary 10 years 45 weeks ago
#28

We have to be very wary of anyone or organization that claims to be someone or something it is not. There are lots of organizations with names that sound inviting but are in fact not looking out for our interests and are actually working against our interests.

Information about us is not hard to come by...even our on-line resume's tell a lot about us. And some resume's seem to indicate one's level of technical competence in ones ability to navigate, and or manipulate, the internet. I just hope these people are not on the wrong side. In many ways, they appear to be friendlies. I hope that is the case. But some could be not what they appear to be and infiltrate and collect for devious and manipulative purposes. Cryptic, huh?

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Palindromedary 10 years 45 weeks ago
#29

One simple tactic might be to hold up ones hands to meet the pepper spray so that the stream will bounce back to the face of the spraying offender. I imagine that the cops wear goggles and masks which would, of course, help protect them but just taking it without defiance is silly. Holding up your hands to protect yourself is a natural reaction and if one did it skillfully enough the stream may hit the face of the sprayer.

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Palindromedary 10 years 45 weeks ago
#30

Really cute picture you have there, coolflowers! What is it? Reminds me of an Anne Geddes photo.

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coolflowers 10 years 45 weeks ago
#31

Not sure- It was one of those emails I saved. Kinda cool, huh?

I am glad I did not make cop. I do not want to be associated with cops now. I am so ashamed at what I am seeing. I remember when I was protesting in Portland against Bush, when an officer named, "Baird" doused us with pepper spray. We were peaceful. I remember instinctively jumping to protect a little kid from the spray. The Portland, OR media lied and got away with it. Many cops are cool, but there are so many a-holes too.

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priscillazilla 10 years 45 weeks ago
#32

What should occupiers do next? Well, since this is an organic, live movement, maybe the most natural thing to do is to respond to daily, immediate occurrences. Let's say, maybe we (as a nation) could voice an outcry in response to what the bogus Super-Committee has just done (nothing - big surprise). Is that supposed to kick off more cuts? You know the Republicans will try (and probably have success) in getting the defense cuts taken off the table and the Bush tax cuts still being cut. They think they will get their way - and will- unless we respond in a big way. This cannot happen.

In addition, must demand that the cuts in Medi-Medi and SS not take place. (They are not the immediate problem.) We need to focus on eliminating the Bush tax cuts and then take swift steps to correct the problem of not requiring those who make over $106,000 to pay Social Security. When did they get that tax break, and why aren't more people discussing it? If just these two actions (alone) would occur, then they would answer some major problems and help us be on our way to healing. These two things are completely related to the Super-Committee topic, and are easily understandable to the average person.

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catbestland 10 years 45 weeks ago
#33

These are my thoughts as well. It may very well be a bad idea for protesters to arm themselves with pepper spray or bear spray, but as an average citizen who finds herself while shopping or taking care of business in our cities where OWS is excercising its first ammendment rights, in a situation where police are taking unneccessary brutal actions which may effect uninvolved bystanders, I plan to protect myself against them. Maybe there should be some siminars held on how average citizens can protect themselves from the hysterical and paranoid actions of those whose jobs it is to protect them. Clubs and civic organizations should offer self defense courses so that the average citizen knows what to do in case their members are the next targets of these so called public servants. I'm sure there are existing techniques implemented by peoples' movements worldwide that can be utilized by average citizens here, that are legal means of self defense but will also send a message to police depts. that the average citizen will not tolerate the brutal actions of those who are paid to protect us but in fact are acting as corporate thugs.

I suggest that if anyone is a member of any sort of organization, you should suggest that courses be offered in what to do when confronted by out of control police brigades. Remember, it is OWS today but it could be your group tomorrow.

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Palindromedary 10 years 45 weeks ago
#34

catbestland:
" I'm sure there are existing techniques implemented by peoples' movements worldwide that can be utilized by average citizens here, that are legal means of self defense but will also send a message to police depts. that the average citizen will not tolerate the brutal actions of those who are paid to protect us but in fact are acting as corporate thugs."

You are probably right, here, but how about the Tahrir Square technique!? ;-) Legality is just a technicality and subjective, anyway, after all if so many wealthy scamsters can manipulate politicians who make the laws, and the ones who enforce the laws can get away with overstepping or breaking the laws, en masse, then why should the people be so "law abiding"? They had many "laws" in Nazi Germany too that the Nuremberg Trials determined were not valid.

When the masses realize that they don't have to "take it anymore" nor constrain themselves in the narrow definition of laws that are created by corrupt elites...and work in massive numbers to rebel against the few that try to control the masses then we can create a more equitable system that benefits the many instead of just the few.

Don't fall prey to charismatic "leaders" or "organizations" that want to "take control" and "steer" because they may not only be infiltrators and subversives, but may be constrictive and corruptible..working in their own selfish self interests....and controllable by those who would destroy all that has been gained by the hard work and bravery of the rebelling masses.

Stick to the main messages that real change, and not just words and promises, must occur immediately (not 4 years or even 1 year down the road) that will benefit the many and not the few. People are dying because of the current corrupt system...and it will get much worse...very soon....for many of the rest of us.

Laws regulating, and taxing, banking and Wall Street must be created or reinstated, and most importantly...enforced.

Decent, affordable by all, health care..like a "Single Payer System" like in other countries needs to be created.

Stop the military and mercenary carnage and presence, and occupation, in other countries and stop the torture and prison camps..saving the US a lot of money.

Make the tax system more progressive...taxing the rich on the order of what it was during Eisenhower's Presidency.

Don't touch the social programs like Social Security or Medicare or Medicaid. The only lifelines that many people have between life and death.

Stop American businesses and corporations from outsourcing our jobs.

Take the money out of politics. The only people that should be losing their jobs are the lobbyists.

And that is just the tip of the requirements but should be the absolute minimum in order to return to any semblance of normalcy.

coolflowers: Good on you for protecting that kid!!! And it really is shocking that these Fascist Pigs would spray a little kid! I'm glad you found your way to the right side of the fence on that issue of becoming a cop. Some cops are good but they have to take orders from bad leaders. We need to break that terrible precedence..the top down structure is too easily corruptible.

I thought we were supposed to have corrected that problem, the "I was just following orders" excuse, at the Nuremburg Trials. But I guess it is easy to be arrogant and high and mighty after defeating an enemy. I wonder how those "judges" at the Nuremburg Trials would judge what our country has done around the world since...and how it treats it's own citizens?

But, thanks for protesting! You represent more people than anyone can imagine...people that may not be able to get out into the streets...or who are too afraid of the consequences. We need our young people, and anyone else who is willing and able, to rebel against tyranny and injustice. These people are heroes. And people like that 84 year old woman who got sprayed in the face with pepper spray is especially heroic. And so was the military guy who got cracked on the head by these vile gutless automatons with badges...who were "just following orders".

We need another "Nuremburg Trials" held in many cities across the US and hold these contemptible bully boys and their leaders..police chiefs, mayors, governors, congress persons, the President, and the crooked corporate system accountable for their actions.

Maybe we are not too far away from Tahrir Square after all. When our very survival is at stake, as it is for some people right now, and as it soon will be for many more of us, Tahrir Square may be the only thing we have left.

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chazzz77 10 years 45 weeks ago
#35

Hope we can all get along without hurting one another.When the gov. is devided @ has to get a committy to make its decisions its not good,united we stand devided nobody wins.The kids trying to change the system are the real heros they can read between the lines I wish I lisened before they sent me off to Vietnam.These preempted undeclared wars are killing our kids @ destroying our economy We owe China who wrote the book the art of war years ago almost 2 trillion.It seems we dont have a say in our own gov, anymore controled by the bankers @ the corperations where money is KING and the indevidual is a #

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