You Cannot Evict an Idea...

There was a massive police crackdown in New York City last night. Shortly after midnight – hundreds of riot-clad NYPD officers surrounded Zuccotti Park in lower Manhattan – and passed out flyers warning the occupying patriots to leave the park immediately or face arrest. Five hours later – the park was completely cleared – and as many as 200 people were arrested – and for the first time in nearly two months Zuccotti Park wasn’t home of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Everything in the park – from tents – to the makeshift kitchen – to the entire library collection of over 5,000 books was destroyed and tossed into nearby sanitation trucks. During the raid – police blocked all roads into Zuccotti Park in an effort to prevent journalists from witnessing what was happening. But according to reports from journalists who were already inside the park – police beat people with batons – sprayed tear gas – and even used sound cannons to disperse the crowd. After 5 a.m. – hundreds of people roamed the streets of New York’s financial district trying to figure out what happened and what to do next.

Eventually – the Occupy Wall Street patriots sent up camp in nearby Foley Square. There, the Occupy Press Team released a statement saying, “Such a movement cannot be evicted. Some politicians may physically remove us from public spaces – our spaces – and, physically, they may succeed. But we are engaged in a battle over ideas. Our idea is that our political structures should serve us, the people – all of us, not just those who have amassed great wealth and power. You cannot evict an idea whose time has come.”

Get ready for a turbulent day in the Big Apple.


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snuffy 11 years 11 weeks ago

there is a court order now allowing all protesters back in the park...with belonging...update via Reddit

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charell 11 years 11 weeks ago

The "Split Estate" fracking documentary is lesser known than GasLand but a very important film also. See:

Made before GasLand, it's a must see for anyone concerned about hydraulic fracturing. It shows the terrible health effects on people and animals and also focuses on the Split Estate law that enables fracking on private property without the owners' consent.

We showed "Split Estate" at our monthly Free Movie Night at the Whittier Area Peace and Justice Coalition a couple of years ago. (

I hope you can get the filmmakers on your show.

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cygnus1 11 years 11 weeks ago

Occupy Wall Street: NYPD raid on camp in Zuccotti park.

...where most of the media were forbidden to tape the proceedings. - Cygnus1

Occupy Wall Street: NYPD raid on camp in Zuccotti park

Peoples of these United States, your brothers and sisters around the World including in Palestine want you to know they STAND WITH YOU IN A ONENESS OF UNITY. - Cygnus1

7 arrested after boarding Israeli bus

"Palestinian activists boarded Israeli settler buses Tuesday in an action inspired by the American civil rights movement which resulted in several arrests.

The activists headed toward the Kohav Yakov and Psagot settlement bus stops and boarded a bus for Jerusalem. Israeli forces stopped the bus on the Hizma checkpoint and prevented it from entering Jerusalem.

Settlers left the bus while it was searched and the activists were removed and arrested. As many as seven were reported to have been arrested by late Tuesday." end quote. source, both links.


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cygnus1 11 years 11 weeks ago

It is not the politicians who have given the order to evict. It is the long arm and method of Israel, giving orders unto their people in these United States of America. And when they hear that We, the People, are turning our anger against mere puppet politicians, then they have a great time in laughter. Watch the Knesset sometime over the internet and you will always see them laughing after a midnight raid on Palestine, throwing peoples out of their houses and destroying their belongings. They are not smirking. They are actually roaring with laughter. It is sickening.

Taking the people's belongings away in garbage trucks to the local dump after telling the protesters they may claim their belongings, is nothing more than mind games, and divulging to the American People, the long arm's wickedness

The strategy is to clean the protesters out of their effects for surviving the cold in the occupied space. In issuing a court order to allow the protesters back into the park, with belongings, well, the belongings have already been taken, so what belongings are the court speaking about?! They know full well that people out of work can scarcely buy themselves food. This strategy of theirs is to clean the protesters out of their effects and then if the protesters return with more effects gathered for them by other protesters throughout the country, the garbage trucks will come right back in and clean them out again.


Everyone has freedom of choice, to be right or to be wrong. Siding with the 1% and their worker eyes is not a wise choice. - Cygnus1

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pairadocs 11 years 11 weeks ago

Thom: You are on the losing side of this movement. The violence that is coming out of the few I have heard interviewed on your show display their ignorance. You will find they will do severe damage to the Democrat party in the long run. The general public looks like this as a circus show. As it turns more and more violent you lose more and more supporters. You seem to be promoting this activity and you are playing right into the Rebublicans hands.

JeanieSch 11 years 11 weeks ago

Just browsing today, I found the Occupy Wall Street blog online, and several others. There is an Occupy Tokyo, Occupy Toronto, Occupy all over the world! My daughter has been witnessing Occupy Portalnd (Oregon) and the evictions are also happening there in great force. This movement is bigger than any one city. Bigger than what is being reported or what can be easily recognized. I don't think the powers that be can stop it.

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cygnus1 11 years 11 weeks ago

The New York Stock Exchange Gambling Casino syphones off cash from circulation so that wealthy 1%'ers can waft it into their own bank accounts off shore. So when the foreign controlled government of these United States of America say they need to bail out Wall Street, not only does Wall Street syphone off the new money into their own bank accounts but the peoples end up with even less than they originally had because of tax increases on each dollar given to Wall Street pirates, and the payoff to Wall Street by the foreign controlled U.S. government falls as another heavy debt to the Peoples of these United States of America. When the money system goes in its entirety with all its diverse factions, then bribary will be a thing of the past. No more leverage there. - Cygnus1

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cygnus1 11 years 11 weeks ago

Pairadocs, the Democratic party has already damaged itself beyond repair as have the Republicans, no one had to do it for them. We see where you are coming from in trying to prevent a Paradisical system coming into effect for the Peoples of these United States of America. Your comment is a distortion of fact. You are one of the millions of worker eyes, so do not be surprised if you find yourself on the opposite end of the "string." - Cygnus1

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cygnus1 11 years 11 weeks ago

NYPD raze the #OWS library, throw out over 5,000 books

"The Occupy Wall Street librarians tweeted the eviction all night: “NYPD destroying american cultural history, they’re destroying the documents, the books, the artwork of an event in our nation’s history … Right now, the NYPD are throwing over 5,000 books from our library into a dumpster. Will they burn them?"

"The Occupy Wall Street librarians tweeted the eviction all night: “NYPD destroying american cultural history, they’re destroying the documents, the books, the artwork of an event in our nation’s history … Right now, the NYPD are throwing over 5,000 books from our library into a dumpster. Will they burn them? … Call 311 or 212-639-9675 now and ask why Mayor Bloomberg is throwing the 5,554 books from our library into a dumpster.” end quote source

Peoples of these United States of America, this destruction of books and documents is warfare against the People, the Constitution, the culture, and the History of America. This is warfare because in every war the books and documents and artwork are taken, destroyed, hidden, or removed out of the country. Then the bombing takes place to destroy the heritage and culture and survival of the nation. This is important to understand.

Information is one avenue of power. Keep the peoples in the dark and in ignorance, persecute those persons who know and tell the truth before it has been disguised, erradicated or defaced, and you have nothing but peons and serfs at your beck and call.

This is why we have repeatedly informed, you, the Peoples of These United States of America, be careful what you believe to be the truth about any historical event, for most of the truth of the event has been overwritten or disappeared, and all you are left with is an historical writing which is as far from the truth as one could possibly imagine. - Cygnus1

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Palindromedary 11 years 11 weeks ago

I do not advocate violence...but...violence does work and has proven that it is what is necessary to invoke real change. The ruling classes all believe in violence because they use so much of it all the time...against other countries for power and wealth creation (theirs) and against the demonstrators...when the people have had enough of the lies and trickery of politics as usual.

All throughout history violence has been the thing that has changed corrupt and evil regimes. The smoke and mirrors and hokey baloney democratic system, as it has come to be through massive corruption, will not change things except to further give those who have rigged the game even more power.

We have power in numbers and if we hold our resolve we can get the criminal elite and their puppet politicians to buckle under the weight of what is fair and egalitarian for the majority of people.

It took violence to overthrow the Nazis. It took violence to make this country to begin with. Our forefathers stood up to the ruling powers and that's what we need to remember. If our forefathers listened to a bunch of weak kneed namby pambys preaching "oh, we'll weaken the Democrat Party" or some such rhetoric we never would have become an independent nation. Our constitution even says that we have a right and a duty to overthrow the corrupt regimes who have taken America prisoner....(not exactly in those words, of course). In fact, our forefathers resorted to hit and run terrorism against the British. Being out gunned and out regimented, we did whatever we could to fight the British...even if we had to fight dirty. Of course, what our forefathers did is often not very much talked about because it would make people think about Middle Easterners who are also struggling to fend off occupation as well.

If it were not for those brave Americans at the turn of the century rebelling and even using violence we would not have enjoyed the relative freedoms and benefits of a more equal distribution of wealth that came in the decades that followed.

The two party system is corrupt and it makes no difference anymore...they are still trying to play their games of deception...and many Americans don't fall for it anymore. The ruling elite, by using violence, are trying to break our resolve....and it could escalate if the citizen demonstrators against tyranny push back. The ruling elite believes that the people do not have the resolve or fortitude to strike back. Well, we'll see. Hopefully we can outsmart these gestapo bastards and wear them down.

Maybe we need to create another movement...lets call it: Fight Usurious Corporate Kleptocracy! And we can call it....oh, well, just an idea! Thousands of demonstrators wearing T-shirts emblazoned with Fight Usurious Corporate Kleptocracy! Now!!

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historywriter 11 years 11 weeks ago

In what way does violence work? In what situations has it been successful? What kind of violence--war or swinging batons or guns? Most important, what were the outcomes?

World War II supposedly was the "last good war." Maybe. But why did we not step in and try to rescue the Jews and the disabled and the Gypsies? We knew about them. At the end of the war, we gave them help, but both Britain and the .United States knew about the camps, and did nothing to help.

Why not? If it was a "good war," why didn't we rescue them?

What was the cost of this war? How many lives were lost throughout Europe and in the United States? We know those figures, we know the amount of money. Is violence and fighting the ONLY to tackle a huge governmental problem -- like war, killing citizens, ruining countries?

Haven't we, in several thousand years, thought of something better?

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Alan Lunn 11 years 11 weeks ago

The idea that can't be evicted -- especially there in the land of Wall Street -- is that the people are rising and making their collective voice heard even as representation erodes in Washington due to the usurpation by the 1%. Goldman-Sachs has occupied Washington. As Blankfein said, they were "doing God's work." God's work was apparently destroying democracy and ruining the middle class.

This means they will proceed no further with their plans of greed and extraction or with their subterfuge in the 600 trillion dollar derivatives market where they hide what they do as they transfer wealth into their offshore tax havens. This is not a conspiracy and it has happened before. But the populist movements of the past didn't go far enough in removing money from government.

This is not hatred for those who make money through honest means. This is a movement of morality and justice. This is a movement of reclaiming America and her government for all of us. And the #1 thing we have to do is a separation of business and state. That isn't anti-business: it's pro-business. When monopolies control government, there is no capitalism. We're going back into the monopoly-busting business with the help of a government we have taken back for all of us. And the hidden tyranny is facing the music, finally.

"My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks." -- Obama to 13 bankers in 2009

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cygnus1 11 years 11 weeks ago

Palindromedary, this is what the Military under the Constitution of these United States of America are to do (preparing themselves) in upholding their role of protecting the people and overthrowing corrupt internal regime, such as the one in Washington, D.C.

If the 1% and their worker eyes no longer can control the U.S. Military, then who are the 1% going to fight the people with? The militarized police forces? You know that will not work. The police would not stand a chance against the U.S. Military in full fatigues, with grenades, heavy gunfire, smoke bombs, night gear, and every other piece of equipment which they use in war overseas. This is one segment of power which DOES BELONG TO THE PEOPLES OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

If you begin another movement, you only fragment what is already there. Fragmentation brings about dissention and weakness, that is one reason democracy never works. You have too many whose minds differ from the other. And noone really knows properly how to run anything because nothing good can be guaranteed under the system and power of the economic and Militarized force of the 1%.

Historywriter, Palindromedary is correct. If the OWS movement or any Occupied movement throughout the world of a healthy nature and for the right causes just protest in a peaceful manner without soon their Military joining them in full force, in fatigues, and regalia, the 1% and their worker eyes will continue in pushing the demonstrators around. But with the Military taking the front lines as it would in any war, then the elite will have nobody left to fight the protesters with, save that of the police, whom, by that time will join forces with the winning side, joining in on the upcoming quantatative easing on their families as well, as the transition is made to the Paradisical system.

Be careful that you do not mistake "history" for facts, for the facts have been long hidden from the people, but one day, these facts will be made clear and come out for all to read and learn what really happened to cause WWI, WWII, and how Israel was born.

Information is power. But right now such writings cannot be read due to the fact that the 1% either murders the authors, locks them up or just forbids the media from printing anything contrary to that which has been written in history books, school books, and on the sites of the 1% and their accompanying worker eyes. - Cygnus1

Alan Lunn, I have copied a portion of your informative post: "....Goldman-Sachs has occupied Washington. As Blankfein said, they were "doing God's work." God's work was apparently destroying democracy and ruining the middle class."

"...This is not a conspiracy and it has happened before. But the populist movements of the past didn't go far enough in removing money from government. This is not hatred for those who make money through honest means." end quote

We, the Peoples of these United States of America do not have to look far to see who it is exactly who yell "hate, hate, hate," all of the time, when the Peoples try to point the finger at them and their money trick. They have no intellectual way to defend themselves, so they yell "hate" and manipulate the courts against the Peoples.

Which god of many does Blankfein speak of? Find who these people are and which god they attribute their wickedness to, and the Peoples can become of themselves all the wiser. - Cygnus1

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Palindromedary 11 years 11 weeks ago

Have we ever thought of anything better? What do you mean by "better"? What works? So how is our system of Democracy working out? When has the world ever been so criminalized by so few? And when has the world ever been so controlled by so it is now...with technology so advanced that those few can so control the masses and demand we march to their drums..or else?
Until recently, they have herded people's minds to the watering troughs of Jim Jones' favorite flavor of cool-aid.

One exception, maybe, is the internet. But this scares them because when people can convey ideas so broadly and instantaneously it will be hard for the fascists to control what we think and believe. It will be harder for them to control our actions. They are very afraid of this and have tried very hard to control it. We have to be vigilant and guard against their attempts at controlling the internet.

Technology is such that the few can monitor what we do and how we think. They have cameras everywhere with facial recognition and facial expression analysis software that can determine not only who you are but what you are about to do. This is fine for detecting criminals but who are the criminals? What if one day the ruling few decide that they will round up all the Christians and Jews and Muslims and throw them all into concentration camps and then send them to the gas chambers like the Nazis did?

Many Germans poo-pooed the idea when they heard rumors too. They, too, thought they were too civilized and too modern to do anything so horrid. And if the holocaust was the only atrocity, and mass murder, that is one thing, but it has happened many times since. Not here in the US...yet! Except what they did to the Indians..which was mass murder on a genocidal scale as well. But don't think it won't ever happen here....again.

I'm not so worried about being incarcerated and gassed for being an adherent of one of those religions...I'm more likely to be singled out because I am an atheist. Many "good" Christians would love to see people like me "burn in hell"...or thrown into a gas chamber. The ruling elite would find the masses more malleable and controllable through the manipulation of their superstitions as they have done for thousands of years. It would be the ones who reject any kind of ridiculous dogma that would be troublesome to the ruling elite. And one dogma I have rejected is that of a democracy that is for and by the people because it is corrupt and nothing but a lie used by those corrupt politicians and their puppet masters who pull all the strings...and expect the masses to believe in their hocus pocus fibs and fables.

Yes, it would be nice if we really had such an honest democratic system that works for the people instead of cards stacked in favor of those pulling the strings but it only has a chance of returning to what it is hyped up to be if the ruling elite are scared sh!tless that they will not only lose their wealth but also maybe something more precious.

And yes, that is a very good question....why didn't we step in to rescue the Jews? Many in high places in the US government knew what was going on. In fact some of the ruling elite and famous personalities of the day, like Lindbergh and Henry Ford were very antisemitic and many believed they secretly supported the Nazis. It sure didn't stop old Prescott Bush from trading with the enemy while Nazis were killing US soldiers...nor our banking system from trading with the enemy when plotting and conniving with German Banks on how to profit from the war. And the list goes on..ball bearings, chemicals, oil!

And if you have ever read books by Edwin Black you know that the Nazis were not the first to do some very horrid things to their own people (or at least the people living among I'm sure the Nazis and many of the German people did not consider the Jews or Gypsies...their own people).

In fact the Nazis got some "ideas" from what US authorities were doing to it's people in America...although I doubt the highbrow ruling elite would consider southern peasants their people. The US thought of, and practiced, a form of ethnic cleaning that inspired Hitler to do the same...although Hitler took it to a higher level. And one has to realize that Christianity had long used the Jews as a scape goat... blaming them for Christ's the Germans and the Americans had a lot in common in that respect.

Edwin Black also wrote a book about how IBM was complicit in assisting the Nazis tabulate people which made the mass killing machine even more efficient. A number of well known, wealthy, and influential (one might even say...part of the ruling elite) in the US today were selling out their fellow Americans to the Nazis.

So, if you thought WWII was worth fighting and worth every violent thing we could throw at the Nazis then you should be thinking about the Nazis, who by any other name, still thrives and controls us all right here, today, in the US. They are the ruling elite. And remember both Hitler and Eichmann were both part Jewish as well so I am not saying that the American ruling elite are all German Nazis but are of the same mind set. And I am not saying that all America's ruling elite are Jewish. It really transcends ethnicity or religious belief. They are selfish, vain, greedy and.....evil!

So, I am not convinced that these cockroaches who have managed to amass money and power, who are manipulating the economy, and own and control the political process in the US are to be trusted not to do something like what the Nazis did. It is not beneath them nor beneath their power to do this right here in the US. I believe they already willfully murdered thousands of people in the WTC towers and then over the next, almost, 10 years, "sacrificed" many thousands more soldiers in an illegal and immoral war in the Middle East....not to mention the many hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children our troops butchered over there.

Violence is not to be idolized or preferred...but when all else fails...there is nothing left. When backed into a corner, and we realize that we are going to die from starvation, or lack of medical care, etc. then what do we have to lose but our dignity if we cower and cringe and aimlessly plead for mercy. The trick is to be able to recognize, before one is too weakened to fight back, when there are no other viable options. There are strength in numbers unless those numbers are emaciated and even, perhaps, herded into prison camps to await their fate.

One might look at the example of the Jews in Nazi Germany and wonder why so many just obeyed so few. There could have been strength in numbers if they had not been so pliable. More widespread rebellion may have made a difference. The small rebellion that did occur by a few made little difference and it was too little too late. I hope the citizens in the US don't make the same mistake.

So don't fool yourselves into believing that all you have to do, or then only thing you can do, is to vote Democrat in 2012. It is not going to make a difference one iota in your favor if you do. You will only be casting a vote for the continuation of the myth that we still have a democracy in America.

If you don't vote, or if you vote for someone other than Republican or Democrat you will be casting a vote against the corrupt system of Republican/Democrat two-party rule.

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Palindromedary 11 years 11 weeks ago

Cygnus1: I wasn't being serious when I proposed forming another movement..just trying to be funny...I guess. Anyway, you are right...we sure don't need the current OWS movement to be diluted in any way...especially with Tea Party members who would just be compelled to try to subvert and control the OWS movement.

You know it would be nice if the military or the police were really on our side to the point where they would break ranks and refuse to take orders but I think that it is wishful may know something I don't...which is very likely...As old Shultzee used to say: "I know nooooothttthing!"

But I think that it is really hard for someone in such regimented organizations to do anything but to take orders...unfortunately. Even people in the civilian world, who would be risking their jobs, would have trouble making waves for fear of losing his/her job. It's one thing for a few ex-military who may not even have a job to worry about ticking off their employer attending these demonstrations, but for active duty people it would take a very brave person to stick his head on the chopping Bradley Manning did. Bradley Manning was/is a hero!!! One thing is pleasant to think about, however, is that it was discovered that in many of the wars...since WWII anyway that many soldiers, instead of aiming to kill, actually fired over the heads of "The Enemy". I guess that's where Jesus comes into the various military outposts that is where they have been indoctrinating the soldiers into believing that they were killing for it was alright. Jesus really does want the Muslims dead because they are the enemy of Jesus....or something like that! Of course, I suppose they don't also teach them that Jesus was also one of the "prophets" (I almost typed "profits"..which wouldn't have been too far off) that Muslims worship.

And from what Alan Lunn said about what Blankfein said it just fits in with their warped belief system....they are all insane to tell you the truth! Quick, someone put these people on their meds before they really go berserk and kill us all!

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Palindromedary 11 years 11 weeks ago

There was a time, not long ago, when it was quite conceivable that, even though they were greatly outnumbered, the few would get away with doing things like hijacking an airliner (perhaps, only armed with "boxcutters?") And I highly doubt that is what happened anyway. But that last airliner that went down in the fields of Pennsylvania was hyped up by the media to be "heroic" passengers who overcame the attempted hijackers and foiled the hijackers attempt at striking yet another building full of people.

Would violence against the (alleged) hijackers, in such a case be warranted...expected? Would there really be a handful of passengers, out of that many, who would get up the courage to resort to violence to prevent the plan from being carried out? They were all going to die anyway...I suppose that once one realizes that that is the likely scenario then one, all of a sudden, dispenses with any ridiculous notion of being "civilized". Violence just comes, and is necessary, and even praised by those of us who abhors the bully boys among us...especially if there is no one else that will protect us.

I think that America is on such a hijacked airliner that is in the process of crashing. Many of us will die, even if, or especially if, we do nothing but think about voting for Obama yet again in 2012. The wealthy will continue squeezing us and murdering us by the thousands...or even millions over time as we die of poverty, hunger, exposure, and lack of medical care. Our loved ones may die first and then we may find life not much worth living anyway. I don't know...violence? Maybe we should all just let the terrorists (the financial terrorists) win and die quietly.

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gwmor 11 years 11 weeks ago

In the sixties, the Bull Connor types thought that they could beat and intimidate people into obeying, but in the end, they were fanning the flames. The civil rights movement became stronger as people saw the polices' brutal attacks on nonviolent protesters. New York and other cities are spending hundreds of millions trying to find something to pin on the protesters. We should continue to try to direct the attention to the real criminals; not the people in the streets, but the ones inside the Wall Street bank buildings, the ratings agencies, hedge funds companies,etc. Law enforcement should be seizing bankers' files, not protesters tents.

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2950-10K 11 years 11 weeks ago

How disgraceful that "We The People" in 2011 still have to "fight for the idea that our political structures should serve us."

I wonder if the NYC police realize they are doing the dirty work for those who given the chance would not hesitate to privatize and downsize the entire police dept.

I got word that Thur. the 99% will mobilize all across the country in order to show that evictions only strengthen our resolve......more to follow......I'm on board!

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George Reiter 11 years 11 weeks ago

To quote Gerald Celente from your Free Speech TV program: "State controlled Capitalism is called Fascism." And, over 5,000 books destroyed is another reminder of history... This action will only energize the Movement...

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Palindromedary 11 years 11 weeks ago

Of course, it is easy to say that democracy eventually won out when the majority of people were won over...translating this into votes..when voting actually the days when corporations were not ruled by the supreme court to be people....and when politicians were not as owned by Wall Street as they are now.

The ruling elite believe that the people are lazy, spoiled, whiny, and not worth worrying about because they believe that they will eventually get tired and frustrated and, with a little bit of police brutality, will get discouraged and crawl back under their makeshift shelters under overpasses. Of course, with the people not pushing back, physically, to meet the physical attacks from the police, why wouldn't the ruling elite believe otherwise.

They believe that many of the people still believe in the system of democracy, corrupt as they have made it, and that they will be yet again voting for the same false hope that they voted for last time.... which made it possible for the gains they have made without much of a fuss from mainstream America.

At least back in the 60s there was some little trepidation on the part of politicians in respect to what the people thought. Now, a voter's gullibility in the system is an inside joke among the leading politicians and the ruling elite.

Back in the 60s, the financial system was not so wracked with magic money, CDOs and CDSs and other derivatives that so overwhelms the national wealth that there is just no hope for a sound system left anymore.

Back in the 60s, despite the wasteful war of lives and treasure in Vietnam and the constant and ominous threat of total annihilation by the Soviet Union, men were still able to feed and cloth their families and seek medical attention for them when they got sick, take vacations, and put their children through school...all on the sole breadwinner's wages or salaries. Compared to the way things are now....and yet to be very shortly...we would all have been better off if the bombs wiped us out.

At least it would have been a quick death. We could have all died with the belief that the enemy was over there and not over our own people, a few of which got lucky, or criminal, and hit the jackpot and continued to ply their gambler's, or criminal, vices using other people's money (our life's savings...retirement money..for many)...reaping the profits when the bubble kept rising and bullying the owned politicians into bailing them out when the bubble popped.

At least the 60s had seen the last of the 20s and 30s and those banksters and industrialists had to give a little back in order to buy a little insurance that some anarchist's bomb wouldn't wipe them out physically. Back then they needed the people on their side to fight the threat of Communism.

During the 80s, they got over that (no more threat of the Soviet Union and the ideology of communism) and went whole hog for the jugular of America's middle class and poor. They had the media and propaganda on their side and people swallowed the belief that the good life was here to stay. All they had to do was keep believing and keep super-sizing that house and, of course, that mortgage....oh, and put all your money into investing for the long term. This became increasingly hard to do as the corporations kept squeezing the working man..then working women (because the income of a single breadwinner was no longer enough).

Of course, it was not only the fear of the voter, that helped politicians assent to relief for the destitute workers of America but it was also lots of violence that made these obscenely opulent ruling elite not hog quite so much. As they held their noses and snorted obscenities at the lowly creatures who were making the rich man even richer, they vowed to drown these social programs in a bathtub. Their half-brain-dead zombie Ronald Reagan was just the smooth talking actor that they needed to play the part, and beguiled Americans out of their hard won fight against selfish and greedy maggots and cockroaches who thought they were more deserving than everyone else in America.

So, now, it's really too late to change anything politically and the power is too entrenched with the banks that there really is nothing left but that which we all hoped would never have to happen. But it's either that or the airliner crashes into it's target. It will be a slow, agonizing death for most of us...and a shameful one because we will always feel like we could have done something that really would have changed things for the better. We could have saved ourselves. It will be a holocaust of magnificent proportions and all some of us will have done was screech about voting for the slick tongued lying devil who screwed us once and will screw us yet again once he gets our votes.

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Palindromedary 11 years 11 weeks ago

You know that it would be quite a sight if the masses overwhelmed the police, stripped them of their uniforms, and other accoutrements, and maced those suckers in the face and see just how cocky these bastards are then. It would be funny to see these disgraced poppycocks dancing around in the streets in their undies. There is strength in numbers...the numbers just have to realize that they can do a lot more than just take the blows and mace in the face from these silly Barney Fifes of NYC. Golden showers might not be too far out of line as well. Now I'm probably getting too far out of line's scaring me. Back in the box...back in the box!

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cygnus1 11 years 11 weeks ago

Just thought this little bit of information would be something we should all read. - Cygnus1


UPDATE: JUSTICE LUCY BILLINGS has been "thrown off" the case as court administrators prepared to "randomly" choose a new judge. (one who does not follow the Constitution. - Cygnus1)

Who is ordering the cops to refuse a court order? Three guesses.

Despite an iron-fisted shut down of overpasses to block protest signs here at APEC on Oahu, Asia has heard the people of the United States cry out that they will no longer pay for US Government mistakes or Wall Street's crimes.

As a result, Asia will buy no more US debt, and is openly worried about repayment of the debts they currently hold. Obama's insults to China show that he has thrown a tantrum, and desperate to borrow more money, he has to show the rest of the world that the people of the United States are chained down and unable to refuse to pay for the costs of Wall Street's Mortgage-backed Securities fraud, the biggest financial swindle in history, which is what has brought the global private banking network to the edge of collapse.

As this defiance of a court order demonstrates, the rule of law is ended in the USA. The police are being given orders to really start beating up the protesters before more of the world's financial centers realize that the US Government cannot make good on its promise, made and demonstrated during the S&L Bailout of the 1980s, to always have the taxpayers cover Wall Street's losses.

Sadly, we are entering a very bloody time in the nation's history, with the government willing to spill the people's blood to protect Wall Street's gold." end quote Source

The U.S. Military when they see how their loved ones and friends are being treated then watch them SUIT UP. - Cygnus1

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Palindromedary 11 years 11 weeks ago

Why did the US not come to the aid of Jews in the death camps when they could have? Why do you think?

"War Against the Weak is the gripping chronicle documenting how American corporate philanthropies launched a national campaign of ethnic cleansing in the United States, helped found and fund the Nazi eugenics of Hitler and Mengele — and then created the modern movement of "human genetics."

In the first three decades of the 20th Century, American corporate philanthropy combined with prestigious academic fraud to create the pseudoscience eugenics that institutionalized race politics as national policy. The goal: create a superior, white, Nordic race and obliterate the viability of everyone else. How? By identifying so-called "defective" family trees and subjecting them to legislated segregation and sterilization programs. The victims: poor people, brown-haired white people, African Americans, immigrants, Indians, Eastern European Jews, the infirm and really anyone classified outside the superior genetic lines drawn up by American raceologists. The main culprits were the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune, in league with America's most respected scientists hailing from such prestigious universities as Harvard, Yale and Princeton, operating out of a complex at Cold Spring Harbor on Long Island. The eugenic network worked in tandem with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the State Department and numerous state governmental bodies and legislatures throughout the country, and even the U.S. Supreme Court. They were all bent on breeding a eugenically superior race, just as agronomists would breed better strains of corn. The plan was to wipe away the reproductive capability of the weak and inferior. Ultimately, 60,000 Americans were coercively sterilized — legally and extra-legally. Many never discovered the truth until decades later. Those who actively supported eugenics include America's most progressive figures: Woodrow Wilson, Margaret Sanger, and Oliver Wendell Holmes who ruled on the infamous Carrie Buck trial and declared "three generations of imbeciles is enough."

American eugenic crusades proliferated into a worldwide campaign, and in the 1920s came to the attention of Adolf Hitler. Under the Nazis, American eugenic principles were applied without restraint, careening out of control into the Reich's infamous genocide. During the pre-War years, American eugenicists openly supported Germany's program. The Rockefeller Foundation financed the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and the work of its central racial scientists. Once WWII began, Nazi eugenics turned from mass sterilization and euthanasia to genocidal murder. One of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute doctors in the program financed by the Rockefeller Foundation was Josef Mengele who continued his research in Auschwitz, making daily eugenic reports on twins. After the world recoiled from Nazi atrocities, the American eugenics movement — its institutions and leading scientists — renamed and regrouped under the banner of an enlightened science called human genetics."

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Palindromedary 11 years 11 weeks ago

IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.

Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.

But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.

IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.

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cygnus1 11 years 11 weeks ago

Hilarious Message from Bank of America

Palindromedary, there is history and then there is history written by the victors and the whole world better buckle under. Hope everybody enjoys this video. - Cygnus1

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Palindromedary 11 years 11 weeks ago

Well, Cygnus, that video was funny! But I'm not so sure that the victors are any different than the "defeated" and are likely plotting to do it again...this time in America.

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Palindromedary 11 years 11 weeks ago

"There's a pair of testicles somewhere between the Capital Building and the White House that fell off the president after Election Day [2008]," said Davis, an Air Force colonel who spent two years as the chief prosecutor of Guantanamo military commissions, during an interview at his Washington, DC, office over the summer and in email correspondence over the past several months. "He got his butt kicked. Not just with Guantanamo but with national security in general. I'm sure there are a few areas here and there where there have been 'change,' but to me it seems like a third Bush term when it comes to national security."

Davis is "hugely disappointed" that Obama reneged on a campaign promise to reject military commissions for "war on terror" detainees, which human rights advocates and defense attorneys have condemned as unconstitutional.

"What happened to that guy?" Obama "has now embraced and kissed on the lips the whole Bush concept [of military commissions]. He failed to keep a single promise he made in that speech."

Davis resigned in protest in October 2007, because he said Bush administration officials politicized the high-profile military commissions cases of alleged 9/11 conspirators and al-Qaeda members he was gearing up to prosecute. Turning his back on the military commissions process ended his military career. He was denied a meritorious service award because he was told he served dishonorably by speaking out about the tribunals.

Davis continued to publicly oppose the military commission process after his resignation and, more recently, he has also criticized the Obama administration for refusing to hold accountable key Bush officials who implemented a policy authorizing the torture of "war on terror" detainees.

"I did at one time have tremendous confidence in the military commissions and the people who were selected to preside over the process," Davis said. "But it was politicized by the Bush administration who had no respect for the rule of law."

Davis said. "Here you have an administration lecturing countries like Iran and Libya on human rights. How do you, with a straight face, lecture other people when we do the exact same thing? We're great at preaching but not practicing."

Obama established a "terrible precedent" by stating publicly that he was only interested in looking "forward," a decision that has "undermined whatever moral authority we had left," Davis said.

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dsmiley1 11 years 11 weeks ago

Interesting that what passes for the top story on the national news is the imoral deads of one child molester when we have hundreds of people with good and honorable intentions being beaten bombed and robbed of their belongings and their rights by the police who used to be there to protect and serve. THis is a sad state of affairs and we better make sure the 99% get stronger we better join them and take our country back from the rich heartless 1% who stole it.

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leighmf 11 years 11 weeks ago

I think the courts should become clogged with lawsuits entered by anyone injured or unlawfully arrested by the police. A blizzard of cases would be a good way to put this moment in time in the permanent record. Or, there could be Wall Street Walkers who clog up the sidewalks every day and make it a slow tedious journey to navigate anywhere in the business district. They could even dress like executives and no one would know who was whom.

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PLSzymeczek 11 years 11 weeks ago

The police in the several cities where the people were forcibly evicted from the Occupy sites are guilty of conspiracy to commit aggravated assault on innocent people who have been attempting to do dothing but exercise their Constitutional rights to free speech and assembly. Whatever violence committed by occupiers was done by infiltrators and instigators trying to discredit the Occupy movement. The police departments have admitted their conspiracy.

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cygnus1 11 years 11 weeks ago

Palindromedary, I am not too sure what you meant:

"Well, Cygnus, that video was funny! But I'm not so sure that the victors are any different than the "defeated" and are likely plotting to do it again...this time in America."

But I do know who runs Washington, D.C. and that is AIPAC, the Lobbyists who work on behalf of Israel. I remember when Obama was not yet President, and told the people that "lobbyists were not going to rule the White House when he became President!," (paraphrased) yet even before he became elected his Presidency had been well compromised and when he sat in the White House, he surrounded himself with people whose allegiance was not to the United States, not to Germany, but to Israel. Why does Israel's foreign policy always become the foreign policy of the United States? Because Israel uses U.S. soldiers to fight it's ill conceived wars for itself. What benefit is it to these United States of America if these United States of America attacks Iran, now that the IAEA has been well compromised? The only benefit from all these wars lies in Israel's hands. If Syria goes under then Israel will step in take the water rights and hold hostage the Arab nations to the north. - Cygnus1

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