Is Government by "Hostage Taking" Over?
By louisehartmann
The days of the Tea Party controlling Congress may be numbered. Congressional aides are suggesting that Speaker of the House John Boehner is planning to work around his Tea Party members and negotiate with Democrats on a deal to extend the payroll tax cut when Congress reconvenes later this month.
Afraid of another payroll tax cut embarrassment – and afraid of a long debate that could distract Republicans trying to defeat President Obama in the next election – Boehner is uneasy about giving Tea Partiers a say in the upcoming debate.
As one aide to a member of the House Republican leadership team said, ““I think Boehner will seek a more accommodating approach to get a good percentage of Democrats to vote for it – even if it costs him a lot of House Republican freshmen…His instincts will be, not to be so reliant on House Republican freshmen.” Let’s hope this means an end to government by hostage-takers.
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#2
sounds to me like the senior clas shas lodt its ballZ!!!lol who'da thunk it?
#3
Someone needs to give Bo-ner a swirly!
#4
One has to wonder , Are you sure the tea party is controling Congress or is it, constant preparations for war. What else or who else has control over our congress? Today , Washington has nothing else on its mind but war, and more war. We hear, Iran, Iran Iran.. Earlier it was Iraq Iraq Iraq ..Don't worry Iraq will pay for this war? I cannot imagine anything getting done right in Washington with this kind of mind set.. War, War War! We could end these wars today and perhaps we can, Again ~ Ron Paul is the only candidate with a plan for peace...OR, perhaps one could say hopefully a 3rd party candidate with the same sort principles. I wonder whats up with Ralph Nada ?.... These wars need to stop, this will be one way to bring back balance to this great country again...
#5
You'se guys #2, #3 and #4 are gross. Do you really think educated ladies need to read your turnpike restroom jibber-jabber? I bet if it were up to you to win the right to vote, men wouldn't be voting yet.
On the subject, "Is Government by 'Hostage-Taking' Over?", I believe though the Tea Party will be forgotten, the old regime which had already taken the United States hostage, beginning in 1959, thinks it is here to stay.
#6
yes indeed! wash that pasty orange, burnt umber off. looks like maybe he had a few too many when "he" was a freshman!lol
#7
my humblest apologies, seriously! but it did make you laugh, huh? and if not you do have to admit the whole state affairs has become more then comical and a good poke of fun once in a while? is always good for the soul! man if i could sit and write all day for what stipend my employer pays me i'd be writtin satyr like fire!!!
#8
Why, it's the new GOP fashion: Go communist -- teabagging is out. The trendy Republican reads Marx, smokes pot and listens to Thom Hartmann.
Seriously, it must be because of Mitt. As most hatet person his polls will surly go down soon. Maybe this will be the raise of......... I didn't believe it: Crazy old uncle Ron might manage to disguise his meanness and craziness, and say, "I'm the new social guy."
Over many months I've heard in the media, "Paul will never be the candidate of the GOP -- they consider him a liberal and don't like him." But they said the same about Mitt, because he's a Mormon, and he was the front runner lately. Looks like the mood among pro-Republicans flip-flops all the time. And who knows what crazy flip-flops are gonna happen until November....
Yes, there is a Paul threat.
#9
Tea Baggers vote GOP That' s all we need to know . Ron Paul has some good ideas .. ending wars..cutting foreign aid..auditing the Goldman run Fed.. but Ron has some dangerous ideas as well He wants to gut all programs whether good or bad , wasteful or working well. Thats extreme. Young folks love him..they fear SS will not be there for them but it can be IF we do right things now . End SS tax cap. Charge seniors a bit more for benefits. Cut the massive fraud . and over billing that exists . It can be done Not GOP / Ryan way NO privatizing NO vouchers That will lead to disaster
#10
Ron is Not a huge threat but a threat nontheless
#11
Agreed
#12
I loved your interview from Sweden about the Pirate Party. I hope it takes off over here. The Pirates will smother the dinosaur Tea Party before they know what hit them!
#13
Ron Paul has a long history of working for freedom.. Ron Paul voted against the patroit act, Iraq war. He has decleared himself dangerous to the status quo of this country.
#14
To be truthful, I didn't laugh. When it comes to The Whole State of Affairs, I need prescription medication.
#15
War Continues >> Reports ~ Obama sending 12,000 US Troops to Libya said Cynthia McKinney... This must cost a little.
#16
Cynthia McKinney article:
"It is with great disappointment that I receive the news from foreign media publications and Libyan sources that our President now has 12,000 U.S. troops stationed in Malta and they are about to make their descent into Libya."
"I believe this "sociocide" of Libyan society, as we previously witnessed in Iraq and Afghanistan before it, is part of a carefully crafted plan of destabilization that ultimately serves U.S. imperial interests and those of a Zionist state and its US agents who are bent on Greater Israel's suzerainty over huge swaths of Arabic-speaking populations. Pakistan is also on the list for neutering in Muslim and world affairs, saddled with its own unpopular civilian leadership that finds itself in the hip pocket of the United States for survival, often getting sat upon by its fiscal guarantor."
"...those who create the chaos have a plan and in the midst of chaos, they usually are the ones who will win. Those who wrote the plan of this chaos were affiliated with the Project for a New American Century--read A Clean Break if you already haven't. General Wesley Clark told us of the plan to invade and destroy the governments of seven countries in five years: Iraq, Syria Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. "These people took control of the policy in the United States," Clark continues. He concludes, "This country was taken over by a group of people with a policy coup: Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and . . . collaborators from the Project for a New American Century: they wanted us to destabilize the Middle East." Richard Perle, Bill Kristol publicize these plans and "could hardly wait to finish Iraq so they could go into Syria," Clark goes on. "The root of the problem is the strategy of the United States in this region. Why are Americans dying in this region? That is the issue," he finishes."
#17
On the Dark Side in Al Doura - A Soldier in the Shadows --YouTube video:
This is a 47 minute story of John Needham, told by John's father, about John's horrible experience and abuse by the US Army in Iraq. John witnessed many war crimes by other US soldiers...like beatings of 14 year old Irai children, and many murders and gruesome actions against unarmed Iraqi citizens...like skinning an Iraqi's face. And when John tried to avoid these things he was shunned and harrassed by the other soldiers and his commanding officers. They even sent him and another guy deep into a dangerous ambush situation, alone, and they were almost killed even though he had called for assistance..which he got no reply. John had tried to commit suicide in Iraq...and they put him in prison and continued to harrass him. John's father tells how tough it was to finally get him back to the states and into a hospital all the while the Army was trying to send John back. Dispite John's mental and very bad physical (medical) condition..fractured vertibrae..and other things the army was desperate to send John back to Iraq. No doubt hoping he would get killed to cover up what he witnessed. This video has some very gruesome and disturbing color photos of some of the atrocities that John's fellow soldiers had committed...so avoid watching, if you are sensitive, at about minute 38...there is a warning on the video. The previous web site of Cythia McKinney's article I posted linked this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiNmerP32xk
The National Defense Authorization Act....authorizes the US Government to use the US Military to imprison American citizens who question the government's political agenda, and detain them with no charges, or trial, indefinitely.
#18
Has Boehner aquired superpowers?
Don't kid yourself -Eric Cantor runs the house and if he decides the tea partiers will grind things to a halt, that's what will happen. The Tea Party is the GOPs's Frankenstein Monster, created wholly out of the consciously engineered dumbing down of their base.
#19
Palindromedary > Nice reporting > ~ Perhaps the Pentagon is running the house? Um !
#20
Actually Berry, I need to thank you for mentioning the Cynthia McKinney story in the first place. It would have slipped by me otherwise. Thanks to you!
#21
Palndromdary >" Sure Thing ! ~ Amaze Someone pick up on it.. Cynthia Mckinny is fearless, A former Congress woman from Georgia. If my memory serve me right , Cynthia ran for the White House back in 2008, Running as the Green Party with Rosa Clemente for Vice President... Ron Paul back Cynthia. Some Reports show she was arrested by Israeli Navy with others. They were attempting to deliver humanitarin aid to Gaza. She said she had a suitcase full of crayons for the Palestinian children. reports say they were confiscated. . Most likely find this stuff on youtube. " Anyway, " Great !
#22
Oops Reply to # 22 if you will . Thanks. I should have used the reply button the first time. That's all folks !!
#23
Berry: Yes, I have heard of all these things about Cynthia McKinney, except for the crayons, including the fact that Ron Paul backed her in 2008. If Cynthia McKinney were running again, I'd definitely vote for her. As far as I am concerned my vote for Obama was a total waste. I am now immune to the propaganda and lies that try to make it seem like "we have no other choice" or "Obama is the lessor of two evils". He is part of the problem...or rather, perhaps, it is the Democrat party itself that is part of the problem. There are some good Democrats but I think many others are owned by the people who have been waging an economic war against us for 30 some years. And they are playing this game of herding us all into the corner supporting the guy that is pretending to be on our side when he is actually one of them to begin with. It keeps people tamed down with a smidgen of hope..as false and fake and useless as it is...so they don't get more active in fighting the ruling elite with tactics that go beyond the corrupt voting booth. That's what they are scared of...that people will catch on to their deceptions and that they will rise up and rebel. But so far, they seem to be right about Americans being so dumbed down with campaign advertizing...which is largely why the politicians need to continually raise money and why those with the money can buy their politicians.
#24
Cynthia McKinney talks, but it seems she doesn't listen much: "Don't even listen to your friends who think you've gone crazy, just vote for peace." This lady isn't totally wrong, but she's simplifying a lot. Focusing on points actually nobody sees through. I am very much convinced, even Obama can't. If he sent 12,000 soldiers, probably because it looks like Libya might get on fire. And I don't think we're alone in this, without Europe and NATO.
In the first place President Obama wished to, but he can't drop out of international 'chess'. You can discuss that dropout in a bar, but in reality it's not working. If America, Europe, the NATO dropped out, the world would get into the worst chaos ever.
Yes, we can go off-topic to global issues...... or somebody might come in here and protest nuclear power plants: "Switch 'em off! All of 'em! NOW!" (Well, it's impossible....)
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Back to U.S. politics:
Even if Ron Paul was President right now, he couldn't drop out of international military engagements. The majority of Republican and Democratic Congresspeople wouldn't let him. It's that easy. They're simply not that crazy. Close Department of Defense: This is nuts! As we couldn't go out of Afghanistan at once -- although I'd love it.
A real threat, if Paul was President, is homicidal social cuts against American poor. That is a real threat, because you easily get a Republican majority for that! So this is the reason why I am advocating a Democratic majority. As I want Obama's education offensive come true. Republicans don't stand for that. I think on long terms: You can't cheat so easily on an educated people. A well educated America wouldn't have voted for a crazy guy like Bush, so we would never have gone to Iraq!
#25
Palindromedary, you're still irritating me, actually sounding like disliking elections and ergo democracy generally. In case I should be wrong: How do you want to organize democracy without elections? Your horrible argumentation, HITLER after all was VOTED into office sounds like recommending suicide because you fear death. That's crazy! And by the way, referring to German history, did you really use correct terms? What're you talking about?
Quote Palindromedary: Oh, and "elections" gave Hitler his political career too. And people in Germany, at the time, were easily led to supporting their democratic system. They too were easily wooed into believing in the "terrorists" of their times as well. They too were easily psyched out of their freedoms for what they believed was for their security. They too had their "homeland security" special renditioning people and taking them to prison camps and tortured and killed too. [other thread]Are you speaking about GESTAPO (Geheime Staatspolizei/ secret government police) or/and SA and SS? It's all very weird. What're you talking there? I know quite a bit about European history, but your stuff sounds pretty messy. What "terrorists"?? Are you suddenly switching forward to RAF?
Hitler: Now, you've got to consider the German's mood after WWI. They were forced into a democracy the majority of the Germans didn't want. They yearned back to their old Kaiser Wilhelm. They also were upset because they had lost WWI and the high prices they had to pay. Hitler was their hope to get out of all this. They weren't afraid to lose democracy, for they didn't want democracy at all.
Of course ANY democracy can end, if a majority votes for an anti-democratic party. As long as you are free, you are able to end your freedom. After that you're not free to get back to freedom anymore. It's that easy.
#26
Palindromedary > Simply Opining, I watch and wonder > Just one idea of a fact we can get fooled again and again on our choosing a candidate. ~ "Have you ever notice, Words always point away from themselves, Also you may notice we start to see the same wonderful candidate on TV for hours on end, day and night. We see lots of jeers over and over, Makes one start to wonder about fairness, So" one begins to think, Don't we have other candidates to look over from, yes no! So the candidate we see 24/7, This candidate could have been bought or one could say is buying the election. This candidate obviously has been heavily funded from who knows. Like Obama and Hillary, One would see over and over on TV, for 45 minutes long or so. Something is fishy here? Also the media would show a wide photo backgrounds on these Hollywood types candidates. Many people clapping and jeering in the background. Other candidates if lucky may get a minute or two, with hardly any background for jeer and support. If you are lucky you will see just one or 2 people smiling. Its amazing to watch and how people get pulled right in to Hollywood fashion elections, Money can buy ~ Its Holly~wood Its magic ! Again have you notice how Words always point away from themselves...
#27
Revolution Ron Paul ~ Freedom is a wonderful idea! Ron Paul the only one with a plan for peace. Paul will give us back our Constitution. Again the media keep saying the young are excited over Ron Paul, Its Not just the young, " Just in my area I know over 50 people at the age of 65 and over who are supporting Paul.. Perhaps this young business is a way of dumbing down Paul. "Wonder? We are in a Crisis right now have you notice, and this needs to stop. As of now, the only real change I see is Paul? Paul is the real deal! " Why not make things simple again .. Freedom is simple and Friendly. I see Medicare was made complicated! Why ? "So some people can have a hard time filing out forms and understanding them, get confused and end up lost in the shuffle. Whats up here?
#28
Quote Berry:Revolution Ron PaulIn case Paul will be the next President, there will be no such revolution. He won't find a majority for radically cutting down the military -- not in the Republican Party, not in the Democratic Party. Really, in this case he would struggle much more than President Obama. Don't forget: Ron Paul is an outsider in the GOP. Maybe he could mangage to cut down the military the way President Obama wants to. But don't forget John McCain: he will be pretty upset and maybe kinda cry desperate tears. And there are more in the GOP who would share his pain....
On the other hand a President Paul would probably find majorities easily for cutting social welfare on the poor and raising taxes on the middle class. This wouldn't be revolution at all, for this isn't new. It would be just further downgrading of America..... BLAH
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In order to end the off-topic and referring to Thom's question: I think, these days nobody can tell what the GOP will do in Congress. Of course they don't want President Obama to appear as successful President. On the other side they can't afford appearing as destructive party in this campaign season. So they will have to disguise their trials to trip the President up. Well, they always tried to do this as sneaky as possible, so it isn't really new.
#29
I am fairly puzzled, after reading 'things', kinda feeling like.....
Quote Clarissa Smith:??????????????
So should I come to the conclusion that:
Quote ~%§&µ#~: Candidate crazy so followers be *squeak-squeak-squeak* also make mistakes and don't know what say if they have write ~ yes, no.... Same with Hitler and the German "terrorists" ~ must vote Ron Paul. *squeak-squeak-squeak*
Really I'm helpless, don't know what to say. :z
No, won't tell names -- I'll try to be patient, although it's against my temper......
#30
Bumper sticker- Support the Iranian War/ Vote Republican
#31
*giggle* I like that one!
And below this one: Perry for Secretary of Defense -- for another round in Iraq!
Oh no, wait!.... Didn't he wanna do away with that department too?
Ooooooops
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#32
From Carl Jung: "Enantiodromia is the process by which the any extreme position reaches the point where it begins to turn into its own opposite." It would appear that the Republican party can't get any further to the right, so it may be doing a bit of a u-turn ala Myanmar. Nonetheless, I would take Boehner's moderation with a grain of salt: perhaps he just got too much sun again on his recent vacation.
#33
Thanks azwebmama, this is exactly the point I'm pondering!
Punks and skins aren't always easy to distinguish. There's not only a gray area, partly they downright interchange -- skins become punks, punks become skins (shuttle migration). During the 1920s it was the same in Germany: The communist Thaelmann radicals and the nazi groups even killed each other in the streets. And there also were cases of shuttle migration.
These days we sometimes have the same problems with occupiers and teapartiers. Sometimes you really can't tell: Is this a left-wing occupier or a right-wing teapartier? Ron Paul's followers suddenly call themselves "progressives". And they often talk weird, chaotic, radical phrases. You see this here on Thom's blog: they seem to swarm everywhere, because they're so radical.
Wasn't Gingrich once kinda friends with our Nancy Peloci? He must have been pretty much pro social security at that time. Perry, as I recall, began his political career as Democrat anyway. So they both are able to switch back to the left. John Boehner pretty much got along with President Obama -- I heard the word "friends" here too. These men are qualified to adjust at any time, for they kinda have bipartisan options in their political DNA.
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way back when, weren't freshman those underclassman that would get cornered in the bahtroom by the jocks and get swirlies? weren't they the ones who's houses got toilet pepered and egged? I'm just sayin'! since when on God's green earth did a freshman ever run the show!!!lolol