The oligarchs openly talking about a coup d'état in America?
Multi-millionaire lobbyist Grover Norquist is calling for the impeachment of President Obama. In an interview with the right-wing National Journal – Norquist warned that if President Obama wins re-election and decides to let the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% expire at the end of the year – then Republicans will “have enough votes in the Senate in 2014 to impeach [him].”
What does that mean? It means that the super rich in America – and their political operatives like Norquist in Washington, DC – have now compared a tiny tax increase on the wealthy to high crimes and treason – the only Constitutional basis Congress can use to impeach a President. It sounds like the oligarchs are now openly talking about a coup d'état in America.
Huh? Impeach? Impeach him for what?? NOT doing something? Not extending the tax cuts? What are they gong to investigate? What will the charges be?
What blather! GN's drunk on his own self importance.
Just noise. They're looking for reasons to kick him out anyway. If they had any they would've done it already.
Even Norman Goldman says he's going to vote for Obama, although bashing the president quite a lot. But he cannot claim Obama had three years, without counting in the gridlock after the 2010 state elections! Although Goldman is one of those who are too hard and actually unjust, he's going to vote for Obama. That's what he said. And why?
Right now America has no better candidate. And changing presidents every four years isn't good. We got to have some consistency. We mustn't have another president only because you're not happy with your present personal situation, dear American individualist. Please consider what's right for your country! On long terms it'll be good for you as well.....
Sounds like Treason against the United States of America to me. Jail them, that will reduce the 1%, and put more of America's money back in circulation, and out of offshore banks.
Much of what you say is true but politicians have to be pushed toward YOUR goals. How can Obama expect to get things done when after only two years the public gets impatient and gives him a Republican Congress instead of giving him a stronger Democrat majority. The masses are asses when it comes to politics. They are like children who stamp their feet and want it now. We have 50 different countries who make up their own laws and regulations governing elections and don't want any central authority telling them anything. Each little country (state) is only interested in its own progress and success and to hell with the others. The politicians in each state bid for jobs and don't care that getting jobs in their region means a loss of jobs for someone else. The whole sytem is operated as an "I'm all right so to hell with you." If Americans ever get their act together and move as a country rather than small parts of one you might see some progress.
Right, Bideford2007! Obama did accomplish a lot anyway. Although the voter of the 2010 state elections pretty much were a disturbance. Now don't blame it on the president. Give him a chance. Stop flip-flopping, American voter!
✎ Inauguration--January 2009
✎ Voters vote in gridlock in Massachusetts and Wisconsin--November 2010
✎ Gridlock in Congress--Since 2011
I have this and Obamas accomplishments in a short article, directly under my profile on this Thom Hartmann blog. He actually accomplished some more things, I really have to improve that article.....
P.S.: As a liberal Catholic I proudly disobey the disobedience of my church.
I absolutely agree. Who elected him to anything. What a blowhard. He has such a supersilous attitude too. To listen to him you would think he has direct instructions from the gods.
So votes for impeachment boil down to politicians proped up with corporate money (the desires of the 1-percent), rather than right and wrong.. If this statement were false, we would not have impeachment for sex, or for disobeying what the 1-percent want.. Rather we would have impeachment for starting an illegal war which is a high crime off the scale of sanity).. But the 1-percent profited off the war, so it goes on (or another will be started soon for whatever reason).
Here's another possible interpretation of these events:
Obama doesn't want to raise taxes on the rich; he only wants to get credit for taking a position in that direction. Ideally, he would like to publicly advocate for more taxes on the wealthy, and then fail because of fierce opposition that is clearly not his fault.
Norquist and his allies are working with Obama to cover his right flank so he can make as much noise as he wants without fear that the tax expiration will actually pass. What we, the public, are allowed to see is political theater.
The people did not elect a Republican Congress. The people who programmed the voting machines elected a Republican Congress. There are many articles documenting election theft by every means right up to the bluntest and most flagrant: deliberate electronic miscount of the vote. See http://ElectionDefenseAlliance.org
So Norquist wants to impeach President Obama if he lets expire one of the ongoing Bush-era trickle down lies. A lie that has lead to the greatest economic disparity in wealth since the Great Depression, not to mention massive joblessness and wage stagnation.
I think the economic facts mandate that he let the tax cuts expire...... sorry Grover!
"Obama doesn't want to raise taxes on the rich; he only wants to get credit for taking a position in that direction."
That's right..it's all smoke and mirrors...manipulation of the masses. The Trojan Horse wants you to believe he is on your side...but he is owned by the ruling elite and will continue to do their bidding.
Oh, and the politicians that got sacked at mid-term were many of the blue-dog Democrats that deserved to have their positions taken from them...even if it was by a Republican.
Blue Dog Democrat == Republican disguised as a Democrat. If the Democrats are going to keep lying to us and acting in favor of the 1% then they deserve to lose their jobs. This time around we need to replace Obama so that we send a strong message that lying to the people who voted for them will not get votes the second time around.
Grover Norquist's days of influence are over. He is a relic. He is just another big mouth. Now, Republicans have many sources for funding. They are no longer afraid of his wrath. This empty threat is the struggle of a man losing all his power.
Well, that sounds like a bit of a stretch if they are seriously considering that. I mean doesn't he have to do a lot more than that in order to be impeached? It's those kinds of people that make you wonder.
Impeaching the President of the United States has to be for a much bigger reason than allowing tax cuts expire when to deposit but then who knows what his real intentions are.
Sound humans have a sense for fake. You can't easily fool them by putting something on You can't be dishonest without looking and sounding dishonest. You might fool single individuals, but not a majority of sound persons. If you don't have that sense, you certainly can't trust anybody or anything.
I once shared emails with a guy who felt bossed by spammers and therefore quit blogging. One day I wrote him from another email address and he was convinced I wasn't Clarissa, but the blog provider, faking me. That guy certainly suffered from serious psychological issues. Too many of those cases can destroy our country. Of course wars and parents working too long hours lead to that.... I was taught trust has to do with having experienced your parent's love.... or not.
Quote palindromedary:..it's all smoke and mirrors...manipulation of the masses. The Trojan Horse wants you to believe he is on your side...but he is owned by the ruling elite and will continue to do their bidding.Okay, lets assume it's all smoke and theater. And maybe I am smoke and theater and the government is faking me to confuse you. Or to see it from my perspective: Maybe you are payed by Mitt Romney, to confuse me and all the voters? Maybe Thom is smoke and theater too -- just to confuse us. Stephanie Miller isn't really lesbian -- it's smoke. I've never been to Plattsburgh and maybe it's not existing, although heard it's fairly pretty. Florida is probably media smoke -- never been there. Why should I believe in Australia? Kangaroos are smoky theater. Obama entertains us with those hopping and boxing creatures, in order to deflect our thoughts!
Ahhhhh, maybe I should kick politics and just make music. It's anyway smoke. Why think anyway? Why not dim my brain with drugs and make all the smoke go away? If I think ahead like this, I'll probably become suicidal.....
I recently commented on a Washington Times article titled: "Financier who profited on Europe's debt fueling Paul PAC," with this response: You have to wonder what these deep-pocketed people will be expecting for their returns. It can only bode badly for the rest of us.
NCdirtdigger responded with: Perhaps they were expecting Liberty.
I responded with: Are you referring to the liberty to impress their self-centered will on the larger population and the country at large? Their money and power already give them plenty of liberty.
He did not respond.
This is a democracy, pal. It's called rule by majority. It's not an Oligarchy. Liberty? The wealthy are seeking liberty? What of liberty don't they already have? They've been buying government and elections for years? Isn't that enough?
The K-RATS in the Supreme Court gave them free reign to buy elections. They proudly say on TV with America watching (Rock Center with Brian Williams)--well maybe not the people who should be watching and paying attention--that they expect to get something in return. That is OPEN bribbery--what is wrong with this picture????
They have plenty of liberty. But I have to say that if they don't stop stomping on us--ordinary worker drones, the common people, the real people who help them make their billions--at whose expense they seek liberty--they are asking to be stomped back and they'll deserve every last boot-print.
My granny boots are polished shined.
Exactly right This is a coup attmept a power grab of worst kind . Shameful ploy by King Grover ..Self important leader of the GOP Baggers This is truly sickening I have been done with the GOP since W These arrogant folks are not true Republicans They are another breed altogether
Now I'm depressed. :(
You should see my daughter Miss G on todays Stephanie Miller LiveBlog, who's definitely doing better and happier...
How severe is that election frauding? To my ears this sounds like five minutes to twelve.....
"They ain't green!"
@ Ms. Smith, your youngun is smart and funny en deux langues, no less.
Now as to Mr. Napoleon Complex Norquist, can he be serious? Probably. After all, he had a significant role in making the Republican Party the dominant force in American politics for a generation and counting, and he's held not just his party but the entire federal government hostage to his no-taxes-for-the-rich dogma for 25 years. And from what I've read, he was quite full of himself even before all that.
Whether this scheme is plausible is another matter. I was heartened to see all the scorn flung his way in the comments on National Journal yesterday. Impeach the President? For letting tax cuts for the rich expire? Surely people in the civilized world see that and think, "That's insane."
But then again, the perpetual adoration of Ronald Reagan, who among other feats kickstarted the destruction of the middle class, is insane. Letting Bush II be a two-term president was insane. Handing the House back to the GOP in 2010, along with most of our state governments, was insane. Trusting our votes to electronic black boxes owned and operated by private corporations is insane. The whole So-Called War On Drugs, the mass incarceration and marginalization of (mostly black and brown) Americans, and our silent assent to the de facto repeal of the Fourth Amendment, are all insane. So who knows?
Stephen King, in Pet Sematary--in an entirely different context, of course--wrote (I paraphrase) that we are mistaken to believe there is any horror beyond which the mind cannot plunge into horrors yet deeper. I often think of that when I contemplate American politics today.
Wow-is this ever unacceptable BS!!! The über rich invester class have always benefitted from a tax rate that is half of the payroll tax, plus exemption from paying into social security on any income over $100,000 a yr.We the poor are being squezed to the point of bursting!!!
They need to pick a side.. 6 months ago I was leading the charge to **not** vote for blue dogs.. But I will vote for obama again (I think the ofc of the president is the exception)..
I think we should focus our resources, and work hard in the primaries to get real democrats on the ballot in the first place.. And then not vote for house/senate or governer blue dogs..
Hard choices, because we very likely end up with a extreme right winger in the blue dogs place.. And this will not wake up the voters (they have too much propaganda, fake news, etc in place).. But, the other side of the coin is that if we keep voting for blue dogs, it will be business as usual..
It frightens me on this issue when someone has a clear idea what to do.. I feel this is a critical strategy point, and we should think hard on it..
Clarissa: Depressed why? What about my post depresses you? The call to arms?
These people will NEVER listen to reason. And they have low dupes who uphold and worship at their feet--like the PAID jerks who enter blog discussions with no reasoned or thoughtful replies or solutions--just conservative (close-minded--I think the term "conservative intellectual" is an oxymoron, myself, because intellect is not static, but a growing, living, expanding thing--something the word conservative does not stand for) schoolyard bully taunts meant to shut up and close down thoughtful discourse.
The man who makes peaceful protest impossible, makes violent revolution possible.
John F. Kennedy
I just thought the civil war probably was a mistake and instead we should have said: "Who else wants to go?" Because it never seems to end -- we're still in the cold civil war, since the end of the hot one.
To think of all the distress in Florida............ I'd love to rather concentrate on Detroit and help economy and people there.Maybe within a United States with two federations -- still cooperating, but pretty much following different ideas?
Quote eliofight:What about my post depresses you? The call to arms?Shootouts with southern rednecks for years, maybe decades -- even with heavy machine-guns and snipers everywhere. Missiles, fired off for example in Tennessee, destroying State Street in Albany. Tank battles devastating the rest of the national infrastructure ect./ect. .... And finally total exhaustion of both sides, but no decision. Civil wars often end like this: No result, but the whole country ruined.
I don't know what kind of romantic film you see, while daydreaming. Is it Robin Hood and his buddies, climbing a wall with ropes, killing a few guys with arrows and then storm the palace? Or like The Three Musketeers, with muzzle loaders and rapiers? Well, it won't be muzzle loader canons, as during the first Revolutionary War. It would be battled out with modern weapons and totally destroy the United States. And you shouldn't suppress the fact that it would be a civil war indeed. It would be the same destruction like in Iraq -- here in America. In addition also with predator drones. You can easily start a civil war, but it's hard to end, while hate is growing and growing and people change to raw animals.
Before something like that should happen, I'd rather consider what I suggested in my other post. If there wasn't any another solution. I hope many American firebrands read this!
Coup d'etat in America? Wake up everyone, this was carried out about 30 years ago! Made officially official when the SCOTUS gave the Presidency to an unelected candidate in 2000.
Obama has shown himself to be one of a few different things:
1. Total sell out
2. A political coward
3. A right - winger who campaigned as a progressive.
The GOP is a circus, no doubt but since Obama has out - Bushed Bush in MANY different areas can anyone really beleive that things would be different under Romney? Perhaps, perhaps the so -called progressives that have turned a blind eye to the assults, especially against privacy and civil rights, would emerge from Obama - fog and speak out.
He got my vote in 08, he will not get it again in 12.
Quote jlapinski4:sell outVoters sold OBAMA out in 2010!
Quote jlapinski4: political cowardI think the gridlockers are the cowards. And those voters who flip-flop just because the left toe is itching.
Quote jlapinski4:right - winger who campaigned as a progressive...now held hostage by the right-wingers.....
I just hope to get the house back! Basically this country is ruled by Congress and not by a president. We just need a strong Democratic Congress team. President Obama represents brilliantly.
Maybe if they "coup the cat" then we can get a real Democrat..or better a third party candidate...into the Presidency. The current Democrat party is too corrupt to run anyone but Obama. But the American election system has become a real circus with the Republican and Democrat parties the prestidigitators who do the magic act. They fool you into believing that you will make a difference and that your vote is important. Doesn't matter which two-party candidate you vote for...you're going to get screwed.
I detest everything the criminal ultra-righties stand for and hope Mr. N. chokes on his wads of cash he managed to amass from his victims.
I would not be unhappy if Obama was kicked out...but it should be done by the people who voted for him the first time who realize that he is nothing but a Republican anyway.
Of course, it would be ridiculous to kick him out for letting the favored tax status of the rich expire. The fact is that the ruling elite (but not necessarily the Republican politicians) are quite happy with Obama as President...as long as there are still a lot of Obama supporters who still haven't seen through the ruse. They will continue to have false hope in a ruling elite Trojan Horse and this will continue to let the ruling elite get everything they want...all without a massive rebellion of the people.
There are a lot of "high crimes and treason" that Obama has let slip by without so much as a peep of scorn. He has not shut down the torture camps and has signed the NDAA which furthers our slip into the abyss of Fascism and mass detention centers for those who dare speak out against tyranny. Whistleblowers have been prosecuted but the economic criminals have not been. War crimes continue in an immoral and illegal war in the Middle East and elsewhere and Obama is quite happy to keep up what Bush started. Obama should be impeached for the real "high crimes and treason" that he has been party to. And Obama's appointments shows that he is not worthy of a second term. Many appointments have not even been made....because Obama is afraid of offending the bully boys on the right? Obama should just quit before he really trashes America.