Daily Topics - Thursday February 9th, 2012

Thom challenges guests from the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, DC

Hour One: This isn't about bad Catholics, it's about bad governance...

Hour Two: Is Toyota moving to the new "right to work for less" state? / Plus, Geeky Science Rocks - does fasting help cancer?

Hour Three: And, the winner is...the Super PAC?! Allen Dickerson, Center for Competitive Politics


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mathboy 10 years 27 weeks ago

Happy to hear Thom's back, though Carl Frisch was a great substitute and really deserves to go national.

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Maxrot 10 years 27 weeks ago

If the government can make requirements to provide birth control, how hypocritical is it that they can at the same time continue to hold that Medical Marijuana is completely illegal.

However you feel about either issue, it seems to me that having the government decide what is or isn't permissable outside of declaring if the medicine is safe, is a bad idea.

If birth control is safe, then if an insurer wants to provide it or not, should be up to the insurer. If medical marijuana is safe, then it should be up to an insurer if they wish to provide for it or not. For that matter, it shouldn't even be up to the insurance company, but the individual doctor and patient. Same for vegitarian dishes at hospitals so on and so forth.

Therefore if I'm a teacher at a Catholic High School, and I go to a doctor because of symptoms I'm having, it should be between my doctor and me what therapies and medicines I'll be taking. I shouldn't have to go to my employer and ask if its ok with them, nor should I fear that I'll be arrested for having possession of my medicine. Not withstanding that I'm under the influence of a potent medicine that affects my job performance at the job, or while driving my car on public roads.

Still not sure why it is essential for people to be provided birth control, I always thought taking it was optional for people, nor that it was something that is known to save someone's life (maybe save their quality of life, but that's a different issue).


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Blue Mark 10 years 27 weeks ago

28 states already, uncontroversially, require prescription coverage for birth control.

No observant Catholic is required to obtain birth control, even if it is covered by their health insurance.

When church affiliated entities knowingly hire non-coreligionists, they do not and can not expect (or require) them to follow Church teachings in their private lives. To do so would be violation of their employees' religious liberty.

The employer is not actually paying for health insurance - the employee is - it is part of their compensation package and belongs to them, not the employer. No one would argue that your employer has a right to tell you anything else you can pay for with your earnings - they don't have a right to say you can't buy porn with the money you earned from them, or that you aren't allowed to buy a certain kind of shoes, or a kosher brisket.

It is the employees who are paying for the health insurance, with their labor. Just because a benefit is available does not mean they are required to use it. There is no violation of religious liberty in offering benefit they may not use, but there is a violation of religious liberty when an employeer imposes their religious requirements on a non-coreligionist employee.

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mathboy 10 years 27 weeks ago

It may be important to note that an aneurysm by itself doesn't kill you; it's the bursting that causes the real trouble. An aneurysm is a ballooned and usually weakened blood vessel, and when it bursts bleeding is hard to control. An abdominal aortic aneurysm (called a "triple-a") is especially bad, since it involves nearly half the body's blood supply, and it can often go untreated because it is perceived by the patient as lower back pain (sort of the same way that menstrual cramps are), which may make the sufferer think it's not all that serious.

An aneurysm can be treated, making the bursting less likely. Another example of why preventive medicine is preferable to emergency medicine.

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Tammy Davis 10 years 27 weeks ago

As I contemplate the many mind-boggling issues we are facing today, I keep coming back to one particular question...What will these issues look like and mean to us all when we are living (or at least well on our way to living) in a post-peak oil world? I keep trying to conjure up an image as to just what life will look like. Sometimes, I feel that we are arguing/fighting for liberties and rights that very soon will take on a whole new form...have entirely different meanings and/or levels of importance. For example, what would an ideal national healthcare system look like in our post peak oil world?

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Blue Mark 10 years 27 weeks ago

The latest right wing pushback on the good jobs numbers in the January alleges chicanery in the totals that show unemployment dropping to 8.3%. In particular they are raising alarms over the 'unexplained' 3 million person decrease in the "raw numbers" of total employed from December to January, and the 2 million person increase in the total unemployed during the same period - far in excess of what can be explained by adjustments made for seasonal variations (i.e. Christmas).

The problem with their argument is that they are looking at the wrong January, they are basing their conspiracy theory on a mistaken substitution of January 2011 numbers for January 2012. Ooops!

below is a snip from the BLS report showing the numbers they mistakenly used and the right numbers:


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Jeanie 10 years 27 weeks ago

St. Joe's Hospital here in Phoenix did the unimaginable a while ago--they made a decision to allow a woman who was 11 weeks pregnant to have an abortion to SAVE HER LIFE. The local Catholic leaders were enraged, fired the nun in charge of the ethics committee and got a lot of bad press nationwide. How dare they save a woman by aborting her fetus (who would have died anyway). Turned out the Church wound up cutting off ties with the hospital--it's no longer a Catholic hospital--because they were so very immoral. Thom gives the Catholic Church way too much credit as a compassionate organization. (I'm a former Catholic, FYI.) No group that would deny a lifesaving procedure to a person who needs and wants it is compassionate. Are conservative Muslims compassionate for murdering girls who have sex or are raped to repair their family's honor? At some point you have to pull back and acknowledge that these religious organizations are kind of nuts, even if sometimes they help the poor.

In the article linked to below, in addition to briefly touching on the St. Joe's fiasco, it mentions the issues with Catholic Healthcare wanting to take over another health care system, which pulled out because of pressure from citizens who had very real concerns about the soon-to-be nonexistent reproductive care for rural women who would have no where else to go. Which is another issue with Catholics and their refusal to provide needed health care services.


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DSMcontractors 10 years 27 weeks ago

Thom the definitions for General welfare all state health so the tool you just had on is a typical hard righty with his getting loud and yelling about it.

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Blue Mark 10 years 27 weeks ago

The General Welfare clause was so important to the founding fathers that they put it into the Constituion twice.

It is in the preamble, and in Article 1 section 8 Congress is given the specifically enumerated power to pass legislation to provide for the general welfare.

It is an enumerated power.

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